October 3, 2025 • 43 mins
This week Kelly and Chip unpack Libra’s love for harmony and fairness and Aquarius’s rebel streak for independent thinking and collective change. Basically: how do you keep the peace, think for yourself, and still care about everyone else? They laugh through people-pleasing, groupthink, and why balance really comes down to knowing when to stand your ground and when to take care of yourself.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Now I have that song in my head. Do you
remember that. I think you're doing that thing right now
where you're trying to watch my lips and sing along
to me, but you don't really know this song.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
No, I do know. That's that's That's the only part
of the song I know though.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's my favorite thing when they zoom in on someone
at a concert and they're looking like they're belting it
out and then you actually look at their lips and
they know Watermelon, but they're trying to be so cool
that they know all the words, and it's like.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You know those lyrics that like everyone thinks they know
because the song a million times, but it's like.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Just you go in so passionately. Yeah, these lyrics.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, no, it was weird because I think what made
that interaction weird was our timing felt a little off.
I was trying to with you.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, okay, interesting, do you I have a history getting
lyrics wrong, and I think this is like such a
funny one, so I'll just share it with you. Guys.
Do you remember that Zaye song? And it was like
it was one of his very first songs, but it
was like bed in the better Wait, we've had better days,
(01:22):
better days, dada da, Oh gosh, it's gonna drive me crazy. Well,
he's saying better days, but I thought, you know, he
has a little bit of an accent. I thought he
was saying in the bed all day. No, I'm saying
it wrong. He's saying, let's be in the bed all
day and I can better days. And I would say
it almost like he had a He couldn't pronounce his ours,
(01:44):
like better day, bad old day.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Gave him a full speech.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It's so rude of me, but I totally thought that's
what he was saying. And you know when your friend
bus like she could not speak, she was laughing so
hard because I was so adamantly singing and as if
I had it right.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We have a friend that we share in common name Elise.
I don't know if she listens to this, but I'll
just use her name because it's so funny. We were
at a Lizzo show and she said could have had
a bad Bitch Malcolm Middle and I was like, did
you just say Malcolm Middle? And she said yeah, and
that's the lyric and I said, no, it's non committal,
(02:25):
and I have it on film. I mean, you remember
that show Malcolm Middle. She likes sang it with such gusto.
Malcolm Middle.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That's how That's what's so funny about it. It's like
you're singing it just so passionately, as if everyone's about
to say Malcum.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Middle, and now all I hear is Malcolm Middle.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Malcolm Middle, Malcolm Middle.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I was like, why would Lizzo put Malcolm Middle in
another song? About?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Why not? Though I know, I know, you know how
these raps go.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I don't know if any I don't know if Malcolm
in the middle could have had a bad bitch now,
Like it's.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Just really it doesn't really work together. You're actually right
about that in his bad old days, in those battle days.
I mean, god, now you guys go find that song.
Whatever it is. It's it's Zane's biggest song. It was
like the very first one. I was obsessed with it too,
but I probably should have watched the lyric video. Anyway,
(03:23):
we died dress. Obviously this is your favorite week, Chip
because we had Marvel on the podcast and it's astrology week. Yah,
Chip learns astrology. We should have like a little song
for that. Basically what we do whenever it's astrology is
I send Chip the different themes that we talked about
with Marv, and he can kind of he kind of
picks the ones that he's like, Okay, this makes sense
(03:45):
to me, and I could speak to this a little bit.
This is like just making my brain jeke blah. Yeah. Yeah,
He's like wa wah wah wah, wah wah wah. So anyway,
two of the topics that Marvin I covered. Obviously this
is Libra season, and so we touched a lot on
just the Libra new moon kind of what libra energy is,
how it's playing into everything else. There's multiple other things
(04:08):
happening all at the same time, because that's how astrology works.
And one of the main things is that we are
moving into the age of Aquarius, which we've been talking
about for a while. Pluto prim and why.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
We started singing the song.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Which is why we were singing the song to make
this a full circle moment.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Anyway, those are the two themes that we're going to
talk about today because they seem like they would be
contradicting energies. And I think that's what's so interesting about
astrology is that often you'll have so many different things
happening at once, and they can be these completely contradicting energies,
and so then you go, wait, okay, how is this
going to work together? And I think that's kind of
(04:47):
an interesting thing to play on here with Libra and Aquarius.
I did, like you were actually googling. You were like,
what is the age of Aquarius? Do you have that?
Maybe you could read that for the listeners to start.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, So this this is the explanation that I found.
This is the age of Aquarius signifies a long astronomical
astronomical Yeah is it not astrological?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But the study of the stars are the stars movie?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Is astronomy?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, astronomy?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That makes sense? Okay. The Age of Aquarius signifies a
long astronomical cycle and represents a spiritual and cultural shift
towards collective harmony, equality, innovation, and humanitarianism, moving away from
the individualistic me to the collective we, through a greater
consciousness and global interactiveness, so interconnectedness. Sorry, I can't read today. Apparently,
(05:38):
this concept, popularized by the song Aquarius from the musical Hair,
suggests a new era of spiritual awakening, social and political change,
and a reconnection with nature and the universal truth.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So that's like this big shift. I mean, we were
in Pluto and Capricorn. I wish I could remember. This
is where I'm like, I need Marv, but I can't
remember how long Pluto transits are, but they're a really
long time, like twenty years or something. Or I think
we might be in this age for I don't know,
maybe the rest of our lives. No, maybe not. I'll
look it up at some point in this podcast, but
(06:11):
we're Yeah, I'm not a professional astrologer. I would never
try to claim that, but the Aquarius energy is this
overall sense that I think I'm starting to feel. I
don't know if everyone else is, but we've been so
driven because we were in this Capricorn era and it's
like Capricorn is all about working hard, you know, success
(06:33):
at all by all means or whatever. And I think
we've reached this place where like that's not working. Think
about all the crazy shit that's been happening over the
last couple of years. It's like literally the world shut down,
so capitalism doesn't really have as big of a say
when you can't sell anything or you know, like the
world's not working. And I think now because there's been
(06:53):
so much divisiveness and fighting and the ups and the downs,
and we're going through tragedy after tragedy. There's this moment
that's starting to happen where people are kind of like, yeah,
I don't want to fight anymore, and like, how do
we work together? Or maybe we do need to like
think about this as a bigger conversation than just like
(07:15):
my side of it. And that's very much this like
aquarian humanitarian piece. The other interesting thing about Aquarius though,
is it's the most like individual sign of the zodiac
and so it like marches to the beat of its
own drum. And what Marv was talking about a lot
is like you don't want to just be so attached
(07:36):
to one group that you're not seeing the big picture.
And I think that's what we've seen, right, Like we
try not to talk about politics too much on here
because this is not a political podcast, and I don't
want it to be. But I think we've all seen
and think everyone could be honest about the fact that
it's felt very much like one side versus the other, right.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Right, And I think that's sides. Well, what's interesting about
what you said about the Aquarius sign is it does
make a little bit of sense to me, because I
do feel like the point is the greatest way to
achieve global harmony is to let everybody just be, as
(08:17):
long as it's with kindness. Like I'm you know, that
doesn't shouldn't give license for people to be murderers and
thieves and all of those things. There should be some
order to society because you have to like, we're never
going to reach perfection. But I think when it comes
to social issues, we should all just let people be,
you know, be who you're gonna be, and lead with love.
(08:37):
And so I can see how the Aquarius that energy
being the individualist could also translate into sort of a
message of like putting your arms around your neighbors and
saying like, hey, I don't care what color you are,
I don't care who you sleep with, I don't care
who you voted for, even like let's just love each other.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, you're making such a good point, and you're nailing
it because because Aquarius is so individual thinking, they're not judgmental,
like Aquarius is so accepting of all kinds. And that's
where this humanitarian piece can come in too, because because
they like being individual, they like being eccentric, and I
(09:18):
think that most Aquarius is that I know can accept
that we all walk different journeys in life, and so
why would I be the one to tell you how
to do it? You know what I mean? Like, I
can't tell you how to live your life if I
haven't walked a mile in your shoes, right, and most
of us haven't. But Aquarius is probably going to be
the first one to tell you that. Like, my boyfriend's
(09:39):
an Aquarius and he also has an Aquarius south note,
so he's got a lot of Aquarius energy. And he's
one of the most accepting people I've ever met in
my life. Like he's just like good for them there,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Honestly, it's like sounds like the most peaceful way to live.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It is like he doesn't spend time judging people, and
I really does. I don't find myself. I never have
thought of myself to be judgmental necessarily, maybe in my
younger days, but when I'm around him, I feel so
judgmental because I'm like, why do I care? Why am
I bitching about that thing? Like it doesn't affect me?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Why do I care? Well? I mean, often judgment is
a self reflection too, you know. So it's like I
think that if if you have that Aquarius energy and
you are able to like not be bothered by other
people's whatevers, it probably is a that it says something
about like And I don't know him well enough to
(10:35):
like know if he judges himself or is like beats
himself up over things, But I would imagine there's a
lot of peace in not judging yourself. I mean, most
of the things that I couched myself judging other people
about is shit that I hate about myself, you.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Know, sure, well they don't like about myself.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, And so I mean it sounds like being an
Aquarius is pretty ideal, and it doesn't sound like the
whereas is. I know, aren't like so closed off to
the world that they're unrealistic either, They're just coming from
a different place. I want to go back to really quick,
to the Hair musical, because I googled this while we
(11:12):
were talking, because I wondered if Hair the musical, which
came out in nineteen sixty seven, was written as if
it was a response to the war, and it says, yes,
it was a direct response to the Vietnam War and
the counterculture movement of the nineteen sixties, so it would
make sense even though we're not in I mean, we're
not technically in a war right now, it feels like
(11:35):
there is a war on the brink, and even if
it's more of a contextual war and not like us
pulling out guns and finding each other or having a
civil war in the United States, it does feel like
we have been at war with the other side for
eight to twelve years at this point, and this dawning
of the new age of Aquarius that's upon us. The
(11:58):
timing feels perfect because we're all fucking sick of it,
and so maybe this isn't a response to that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
It is and this is look at you. I mean,
I just feel like a proud mom right now, because
first of all, you just set me up for the
perfect transition into Libra energy. But second of all, one
of the things I said to Marv was when we're
doing our astrology podcast, I'm thinking about the United States
right like I'm thinking about how this is playing out
(12:26):
collectively is what I always say, like collectively, But what
I'm thinking about is the United States. But what's interesting
is to think about the world because you said war,
and yes, our war here has not looked like civil
wars in the past, But to say we aren't quote
unquote at war would be I think you would be
(12:47):
kind of silly right now because there has been that,
and I think even we're seeing whether it's between us
and like government or us and each other, or these
like assassinations that are happening, the mass shootings, like there's
war things happening here, whether we want to admit that
or not. And then in other countries there is actual war. Yeah,
(13:10):
So like that is a big theme right now, and
that all lines up astrologically, But as you're saying, that
sends us into one to craving the other side of things,
which is all about balance, which is all libra. So
that's what's interesting. Like Libra's symbol in astrology is these
two scales like you would see with a courtroom or something,
(13:31):
and so it's like the idea being when one when
you go to one extreme too far, Libra is always
going to work to like even out the other side.
So if like one side is going too heavy, like
we're going too far into war, we're probably gonna start
wanting to go into like kumbaya, like let's all work
together eventually, but it typically in the times of the
(13:53):
past where this energy has been at play, it has
been the Revolutionary War, like the Revolution, all of these
revolutions have happened during similar astrology, So it makes sense,
like it all lines up. And I think when you said,
like it's just kind of perfect, it's like, of course
(14:13):
it is, because It's what I'm always trying to say
about astrology is like it's not necessarily this weird hokey
woo woo thing. It is literally like written in the
stars and then the energy starts happening, and so when
you're aware of what's happening in the stars, you can
kind of like notice it in your life and then
work with it and not let it work you.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, it's funny too because back to the point of
like us being at war, you know, even theoretically, Yeah,
I mean when you think about war times throughout history,
it's one of the things that can sadly unite the
people of a country because we have to you know,
like nine to eleven was you know, the start of
(14:56):
what became the war in the Middle East, and it
was like the United States has never felt more you
know together. In my lifetime than the days following nine
to eleven. I mean, I lived in New York and
the New Yorkers are fucking tough people, and they don't
it's they're almost like aquarium. They it feels like every
New Yorker's an Aquarius because they seemingly don't give a
(15:19):
shit about you. But it's like they actually just are
doing their own thing, you know. But like New Yorkers
really came together in that moment, and I think, you know,
I can only speak for my personal experience, but I
do think like everyone sort of it rippled through America
and everyone felt it and we were all very pro America.
So in our theoretical the right versus the Left war
(15:39):
that we've been in for so many years now, it's
like it does it's like that war, and the people
that are trying to construct that war benefit by the
right feeling like they all have to agree with each
other and the left feeling like they all have to
agree with each other. And at a certain point that
energy just becomes too much and it starts to break
(16:02):
down and you have to be like, wait a minute,
maybe we should be leading with love and not us
versus them. And I'm hoping that's where this Aquarius energy
comes in and fucking saves our nation and help saves
the world. And maybe this is just a cyclical thing
because of you know, astrology, but this this is only
lifetime that I remember, of.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Course, so we've never feel.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
So intense like this is going to end the world.
But I do believe that humanity at some point will
step in and sort of right the wrongs.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
That are what I would hope. It's so interesting you
brought up the sixties though, because I was talking about
that with my parents recently, and you know, I think
this Charlie Kirk assassination. Again, we don't talk about political
stuff that much, but we keep talking about this one,
(16:55):
and like, to me, this is more just like cultural
things happening. I'm not taking aside one way or the
other on this day on this topic, but we were
talking about that assassination and my dad was you know,
my parents lived through the sixties, obviously, and he was like,
this feels so reminiscent of those times in a way
where it was like these political figures or public figures
(17:19):
that we have fighting for a cause or whatever are
getting assassinated. I mean, you have to think back about
like Martin Luther King and then both the Kennedy men
and Malcolm X, like all these people during that time
were just being shot out in broad daylight. And then
it's like all of the issues when you really think,
I've noticed this. I watched this show First Lady back
(17:42):
in the day. I can't remember what network it's on.
It was so great, but it was so eye opening
for me watching the women that they had. I think
I've talked about it on this podcast, but the women
that they had on and they were one was playing
Michelle Obama, one was Eleanor Roosevelt, and then one was
Betty Ford, and it was so wild because all three
(18:03):
of them we're fighting for the same issues that we're
fighting about now, like women's rights, gay rights, racism, Like
it's all the same thing. It's like we recycle the
same arguments and sometimes they get louder than others, and
sometimes we like move forward with new rules about things
or whatever, then we go backwards or whatever. But it's
(18:25):
all the same thing. We've been doing it for our
entire country's existence. If you really think about it, well,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
It's a really easy thing to get people worked up
about because it's it others somebody. And yes, it's a
great way to like stoke fear when you know, if
you really take a step back and look and think,
there's enough money, there's enough food, there's enough work to
go around. Yeah, but because of fear, we have to
(18:54):
target certain sects of people. And I don't mean a sect,
sects sex of people to be like, no, they can't
have what I have because that means I'm going to
have less of it, and that's just really not the case.
But the evil powers that be are really good at
making you feel like that's true. And so what's a
(19:15):
really easy way to like say that someone's different than
you is by the color of their skin. You don't
even have to open your mouth and you can suddenly
have fear. So racism is like one of those really
hard things that like is going to be really difficult
to squash because it's such an easy thing to make
people scared. You know. It's it's you can't hide it,
you know, or you can't hide race because it's just
(19:37):
a visual queue what I'm noticing as I just stay
as an observer, which is another thing that Marvin I
talked about, like the importance of not attaching too hard
to one thing or one side or one narrative, but
trying to stay an observer in all and just like,
what do I think?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That's very Aquarius. It's like be in the situation and
then ask yourself what do you think without someone else
telling that to you, or like you know, dictating that
for you, or you're just so associated with one side
you're not using your own freethinking mind anymore. But like
the thing that dawned on me, like not to bring
up Charlie Kirk again, but I'm gonna bring it up again.
(20:18):
But what I noticed was there were some people obviously
that were so quick to want to go to blame
of the other side. And I think that's such a
normal human thing to we need to blame someone when
we're in pain of some sort or when we're in fear.
And so what I've observed from the outside is all
of us just trying to do the thing that's gonna
(20:39):
make us feel safe. And so I know for some people,
anything other than what they are makes them feel unsafe
and it's scary. So it's like everyone's just fighting for
a sense of security, where there's others that feel safer
when we're all treated equally, you know, whether that means
you are of a minority or not. But I just
(21:01):
think it's like so interesting to watch everyone scramble for
safety and we're all just trying to get there through
a different route. And the Charlie Kirk thing came in,
and it was like everyone wants to point blame at
somebody really fast because it's scary, right, Like it's like
it's scary to watch someone out in our world living
his life just be shot in broad daylight, Like that
(21:21):
is scary. It scared me, It scares a lot of people.
All the other shootings that happened scary, Like that's it's
just like scary that that's what's happening in our world
and you never know when that might happen again or whatever.
But I think what we can all cling to right
now is maybe like we all are trying to find
a sense of security and focusing on that, like being
(21:42):
honest with yourself about that, but also like, Okay, well
how do I find it for myself in this moment,
and like you said, be a law finding citizen about it.
We're not trying to like encourage anything outside of that
but also just like not hating on everyone else's route
to that. But I don't know if that's fair or not.
But in my hand, I'm just like I keep wanting
(22:04):
to like get other people to safety through the route
that works for me, that's not going to what's going
to work for them. You know, if you think about
it on a smaller scale, the things that you and
I feel comfortable with as individuals are probably different. Absolutely,
So it's like opening up that world for everyone.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well it's funny because I mean, obviously I'm we're trying
to not be political here because this isn't just about politics,
but just said.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That, so many times I'm like annoyed with us right now.
I know, but but here's a political topic I'm going.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
To talk about. Well, no, and this isn't even a
political topic. It's just I think about when when it
was election season and I was trying to have conversations
with people that I knew, like particularly family members who
were going to be voting differently than me, and me
trying to make my case. You know, I was often
asked like, because you know, I grew up in a
(22:56):
Republican house, like my family are Republicans and I'm not
and all love to Republicans out there, because you know,
I've got plenty of them that I love in my family.
It's this isn't a month to sound like a blanket statement.
But my dad would be like, well, why are you
a Democrat? And I would say to him, Dad, like
the label doesn't mean anything to me, to be honest,
But when I go to vote, I don't just go
(23:18):
into that ballot box and think about myself. I try
to think about the Wii and not me and will
that mean like maybe, yeah, I'll have to pay a
little bit more taxes, yeah, but like I also don't
like potholes, and I want there to be books in schools,
and like I want the things, you know, like I
want there to be social safety nets for people that
(23:39):
don't have them. I recognize that I grew up with
the privilege of having a family that was together and
had a generational wealth. We lived in a house that
our grandmother gave my mom. Like, you know, it's and
by all means, I didn't grow up rich, but there
is privilege to that. I knew that I was never
gonna have to worry about a meal, so you know,
(24:00):
when I go to vote. I try to think of
the Wii, like there's the Aquarius in me, you know,
but I also understand that, like my parents vote from
a place of me because they're scared of losing what
they have. So it's hard for me to hate on
them for that. And I you know, I tried to
like not make it super policy driven and just be like, hey,
(24:21):
I want you to think about other people, like you
do you have two granddaughters, you have a gay son,
like this is think about them, you know, think about
me when you go into that voting booth. Don't just
think about yourself. And even though that ass sounds selfish,
it's not about me. It's about like all of the
me's that like our rights are being infringed upon when
(24:45):
seemingly the things that my parents thought that were being
infringed upon them really had nothing to do with them,
you know, like an immigrant's going to take their job
like they're both fucking retired, you know, like not gonna happen.
But anyway, my point is it is more about the
we versus me, and I think that plays into this
(25:05):
conversation just sort of on an energetic level too, because
I think that's what it's going to take for us
to sort of come back from this is we have
to start thinking collectively and not selfishly.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
But to play Devil's advocate, yes, we have to start
thinking collectively for sure, like what works on a bigger
scale for more people or whatever, But we're never actually
going to get to a place where we all agree
on that. And I've really started to accept that now.
And that also is Aquarius though. That's what Marv is
(25:39):
saying when he's saying, try not to attack, Like let's
call it left and right right now, it's like, try
not to attach so hard to all things left or
all things right, because what is right for you as
an individual also matters here, and like you have a brain,
use it, use your brain. That's not just someone spewing
(26:01):
out stuff. Because everything you just said, I've heard someone
on a Republican side say the exact same thing. And
that's kind of the thing that I think, Like, I
think we're so scared to make this political on this
podcast because it just felt so divisive, and we don't
seem to have the capacity to have conversations with people
(26:22):
coming from different places. That hasn't been the case. I'm
hoping that's going to change. And like what I would
say is, I'm not an expert in politics, and so
that's why I feel uncomfortable talking about it sometimes because
you get so much hate for stating an opinion. And
all we're stating is like, from our perspective of where
(26:42):
we stand in this world, but so is so are
most people and most listeners, Like, we don't have political commentary.
People probably listening to this podcast, it's very not in
the lane. Who knows, maybe we do, but all I'm
saying is, like, that's not the goal here. We're talking
about more spiritual stuff than politics are. But I think
that we do need to start having, like trying to
(27:05):
grow our capacity to have conversations with people who don't
necessarily see things in the exact same lens as us.
And I had that experience a couple weeks ago with
a friend of ours who we don't see to I
at all on anything. We're coming from completely different places.
But I really enjoyed having to like work the muscle
(27:26):
of not letting myself get so worked up when she
would say her perspective and where she was coming from,
and reminding myself consistently over that conversation. She has had
a different life experience than me, and in her life experience,
the values that she's expressing makes sense. I could see
why that is, like where she's coming at this from.
(27:49):
And then I think she gave me the same respect
of like, Okay, Kelly's life experience has led her to make,
you know, these decisions, or to believe in these things,
or to need these things for security in her life life.
And we had a respectful conversation. We didn't even have
to say like agree to disagree, because we just kind
of were like, Okay, I see where you're coming from.
(28:09):
I see it this way, but yeah, and she would
say I see where you're coming from, like yeah, And
that was a beautiful experience. But we need to practice
that muscle, I think, because I think we've gotten so
just everyone's going to vomit their opinion and I'm right
and you're wrong, and how do you see this way?
And how do you not see it this clearly? And whatever?
And we're not remembering we each have individual experiences and
(28:29):
we're each here on a different journey and that's going
to keep playing out.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So how do we prove that till the end of time?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
On a greater scale.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, and you know change change never comes from being
forced to change. The change will never come to be
from like trying to force someone to change, the.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Change someone into change.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Oh, the only way that you're gonna that someone might
change is by being listened to, because you're not going
to be able to even ask them the right follow
up questions to get them to change unless you listen
to their point of view. If you just come in
hot and I'm not even talking about politics, you know,
like this is in any situation, if you're talking about
(29:21):
like whether or not a song is good. Yeah, If
you just come in with guns of blazon being like
you're wrong and this is why, then you're never going
to get through to somebody because they don't feel safe.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
They don't you know. It's so interesting as you were
saying that, though I was thinking to myself, I actually
think I have only experienced people changing on their own
accord because their life experience shows them something like it's
never been because I'm just like, let me tell you
a something.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, totally like.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I want to of course, and so many times, like
I'm thinking back to past relationships and I always say
this on this post I just thought to myself, if
I just say this in another way, like if I
just express it at a different time, in another tone
of voice and I word it differently, then they'll understand
if THENS used to like annihilate me in relationships, because
(30:16):
it would keep me stuck for so long thinking if
only then this, you know, And the reality was is
I wasn't ever gonna say it right. I was never
going to say it in a way that was like
heard by the other side of the other person or whatever,
because that wasn't their life experience at that time. And
the only thing I could do was start to worry
about me and like, hey, this is impacting me negatively,
(30:39):
and the only person that's going to make that better
for me is me. Like they can't do anything, yo,
But just I mean, unfortunately, yes, the relationships needed to end,
but that you know, and that's sad, and that's the
part of the process. But I think it's like I
had to get to the realization of I have got
I can't talk my way into making the perfect relationship
(31:00):
that I'm seeking right now because with this person, because
we're just not aligned, so it doesn't matter. And that's
what I think. On a bigger scale too, is like
we kind of got to give everyone the space for
life to happen. And I think that is what's happening
a little bit versus the yelling and screaming at each other.
Like let's let this play out a little bit, because
I think as it plays out, we're all starting to
(31:21):
see maybe we're more aligned than we think on something
and maybe we need to kind of like get out
of the way or we need to like come together
on some things that we're like agreeing on against bigger forces,
you know. And a lot of that is Libra, Like
a lot of that is about the balancing that's happening,
(31:43):
and it'll be interesting to me to see kind of
what happens in this Libra season because I think we
are going to be craving a little more balance and
a little more let's not fight like Libra. I have
a Libra stellium and I hate like I will fight
for the fucking underdog all day, Like when things are
unjust or unfair, it kills me, like I cannot take it,
(32:06):
and so so often like if I see something that
feels not fair, I have to go argue it and
I have to seek balance for all, and that's just
very much the energy that's coming like it, I mean,
it can take me over. It's wild, Like mama, I'm
just saying. I just that I have a lot of
cancer too, So it's all the Mama bear stuff. But balance, fairness, harmony, relationships, justice, diplomacy, diplomat,
(32:34):
how do you say displomacy? That's right. Liber wants peace,
equality and beauty, but often struggles with indecision because they
see all sides. So that's where marves. Like, You've got
to stay with your brain, stay in your individual thinking,
like tap into your aquarius where you want to think
for yourself, and like lean into all your eccentric parts
(32:56):
of yourself or whatever whatever makes you you. And then
on a bigger scale, like how do we make this
place beautiful again? Because it's a shit show. So do
these things make sense? Like how they come together?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Absolutely wild?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Like do you see this happening on a bigger scale
in our world right now? Do you see a plan
out in your day to day life or anything.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I've definitely felt a shift. I mean I don't know
that I can not to make him the subject of
this the subject of this podcast, but like I do
think that the Charlie Kirk assassination is gonna be sort
of a turning point. Oh gosh, pun intended, not intended,
because I do think. I mean, obviously, no one should
(33:39):
die for the words that they're saying. Whether you agree
with this or not, a murder is a horrific thing,
or agree with what he was saying or not. I did.
I did not agree with him, but I do agree
that everyone is entitled to an opinion. Yes, and we
have the we have the First Amendment right to say
what we want to say in this country, and you
should not die for that, in the same that Martin
(34:00):
Luther King should not have died for what he was saying.
And I understand why the martyrdom is happening for him,
for the people that like stood behind him and believed
what he was saying and agreed with what he was saying.
But I also think that it was there was a
moment where we saw people public figures who gravely disagreed
(34:22):
with what this man said, who stood up and said
what we're saying right now, like, he did not deserve
to die. Murder is not the answer of violence is
not the answer. Let's pray for his family. All of
the things, And I feel like that is the mark
of a major shift, because we haven't had something like
that where the sides that were disagreeing had to somewhat
(34:45):
come together for moment. YEA. Even though there was like
blame being pointed a lot of shitty things that came
from it too, like people getting fired for expressing their
first Amendment right, it did feel like those in power
or all did sort of get on the same page
for a minute or most people. So that shift of
(35:07):
energy I think sort of reverberated across the lands. And
I hope that, you know, it does turn out to
be the point that, like was the shift. You know, personally,
do I feel any shift? I mean, it's hard for
me to say right now because my work life is
so taken over my personal life.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Interesting though, because we're moving into Libra season. So if
you're all about work and neglecting the rest of your life,
you're probably gonna pay some consequences. Like it is all
about finding balance, so something to consider.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, So that, I mean, that's good to know because
it's if I feel like I'm fighting that I know why.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, And if you feel like if you feel like
you're being pulled to not be in balance. I would
assume you're your instinct will somehow be like, well, I'm
really tired, but it's like, it's not. It's about what
I have learned from working with astrology is that it's
not like, you know, Marv could tell me something or
I'm reading something about the different transits and I go, Okay,
(36:10):
well I'm going to apply that to my life, you know,
definitively right now. But what it does make me do
is just start noticing. So it's like something will happen,
like I've been super busy with work too, and because
I know and I'm having these conversations with Marv and
with you and whatever, and it's in the forefront of
my mind. What happens for me when I start to
realize I'm booking my days down to the minute every day,
(36:34):
I'm like, okay, that's a recipe for burnout and you
know yourself, Like Libra for me is in my sixth
house for any astrology people. So it's all about balance
in my day to day activities and my health. So basically,
if I over work every time, I'm gonna get sick,
like physically, my health will start to pay the consequences.
You've watched this happen to me for years, like the
(36:56):
joke in our group, and this has been my whole
life too, is I'm just like sickly, like I'm all,
but it's because I have to take such make such
a conscious effort to like take care of my body,
and I can't do the things that I want to
strive to do as my Capricorn south note is always
telling me to overwork and like really like overcommit and
(37:18):
do the things because I can think I want to
sacrifice myself to make the things happen, but I will
pay the consequences and that's all. It's like you can
do that. You can totally throw yourself so far into
work and forget about your routines or your workouts or whatever,
but eventually it's gonna have to swing back, and so
you might as well really try to work as best
you can to make the conscious effort right now of
(37:41):
being as much imbalance as you possibly can. It's not
always feasible for us to be completely equal, but it's like, Okay,
I know I'm really busy, so I need to make
sure I wake up thirty minutes earlier so that I
can still get my work out in because that's something
I've made a decision to, you know, prioritize on whatever negotiables.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, it's funny too, because I do as you were
talking like I today, I've the last few days have
been just insane for me in terms of like the
amount of work I've been trying to get done and
the imbalance, Like I haven't showered for two days and
I just literally have not had time. But there was
(38:24):
a moment today where I was like, Okay, I know
that this is it's a very specific window. There's new client,
there's a release, there's a release coming, there's all of
this stuff is just stacked at the same time. So
I recognized today. I was like, this is just a moment.
Work through this, Recognize that you're working through this moment,
(38:45):
and then you'll find the balance again. And normally I
wouldn't I wouldn't have had that thought. I normally would
have just been like I'm gonna die, Like I would
have gotten super frazzled and let that play into me,
and I'm like, no, I can through this. I can
handle this. And you know, maybe that was the Lebor season,
you know, tapping me on my phold.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Then yeah, no, seriously, that is how it happens. And
then once you start to notice it in one place,
you just start noticing it way more and then you
can actually be conscious about the way you are working
with it. Like for me, I'm like, Okay, this is
a season where I really do need to lean into
balance or else. I know where it will go because
(39:26):
I've done it so many times the other way, and
this is another season that's going to constantly be bringing
me back to that. And right now I'm being pulled
too to go work a lot and whatever. But like
I even have already planned out. I'm like, Okay, the
thing that has been helping me the most is putting
lavender oil in my bath every night, and I've making
me sleep so well, and so I'm like, okay, that
(39:47):
is a non negotiable for me now, and I will
carve out the extra twenty minutes that I need that
at night versus just trying to get in bed and
then shame myself because I can't fall asleep, you know,
Like right, it's just doing those kind things, and like
you said, you have the end goal and that's the
way our job works sometimes, is you have seasons of craziness,
so it's just going to be like that. But if
(40:08):
you have the end goal and then you have your
things in place to take care of yourself, you'll probably
be fine. Like that's just but that's balance, that's finding
it the best you can. I just think it's interesting
the two energies together. Like I read this earlier, but
it says like structurally there's the Libra where we're like
picking sides, but then we also have this like group
(40:31):
versus independence thing of the Aquarius happening, so you can
but you can tie them together under this umbrella of
balance and freedom, and I think those are the things
we all want, right balance and freedom. So those are
the big energies right now. There's other things at play.
If you guys want to know about that, you can
always go listen to me and Marv dissect at all
because there is a lot going on. But that's we've
(40:54):
said that. I feel like I've been saying that on
repeat it every time we do an astrology podcast. But
that's the season we're in. And Marv talked about that too,
Like with Pluto, it's gonna tear us down to then
build us back up. But he said, Pluto does always
come with pain. So that's what we've been feeling, is
this pain of the tear down, the breakdown, the like deconstruction.
But it's going to be rebuilt, and so maybe we
(41:16):
can like try to focus on that positive energy. I
don't know that we're quite to the rebuilding yet, but
to not so out of control with Oh my god,
this is just a lot right now, Like it's going
to be a lot for a while. It just is.
Twenty twenty five is probably going to be a lot
for the rest of the year at least, and I
don't really know exactly yet when the end is. But
it's not going to be just like this what I
(41:38):
think we all want, which is like we wake up
tomorrow and this is over. Like it's a process and
learning to work with it'll probably make it easier. Stop
trying to fight it like it's gonna happen. So, yeah,
that's what's happening in this month. I actually feel like
you were like very astrology based today. It was kind
of weird to me out. Yeah, all of a sudden,
(42:00):
he is the Age of Asarius.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I'm just dancing naked with a group of people like him.
Hair I feel like.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
You will be next weekend at your birth I'm We're
gonna have a lot of stories for you.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
We're going to qus for Chip's birthday next week. Oh
my god, fifty here we are.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Crazy, so crazy. I'm not technically turning fifty next week,
but celebrate.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
You're moving into your fifty era.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yes, I am, I am.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Anyway, you guys can always email us let us know
how the astrology is working for you. You can email
us at the edge at velvet edge dot com. I
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Speaker 2 (42:38):
On Instagram, Chip, I'm at Chip Doors. It's Chip d
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Speaker 1 (42:44):
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a community that we can talk to that's not necessarily
like as aggressive as the rest of social media. I
(43:04):
don't know where we're gonna find that, but let's just like.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Start here ourselves.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Yeah, yeah, we just got to keep there's I know
that we have our people out there, and I just
think that we all got to lean on each other,
you know, right now, while we collectively go through some shit,
so let's do that. Check us out, hit us up,
And as you guys go into your weekend and you're
living on the edge, I hope you always remember too.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Bye casual, Bye bye
Now I have that song in my head. Do you
remember that. I think you're doing that thing right now
where you're trying to watch my lips and sing along
to me, but you don't really know this song.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
No, I do know. That's that's That's the only part
of the song I know though.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
That's my favorite thing when they zoom in on someone
at a concert and they're looking like they're belting it
out and then you actually look at their lips and
they know Watermelon, but they're trying to be so cool
that they know all the words, and it's like.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
You know those lyrics that like everyone thinks they know
because the song a million times, but it's like.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Just you go in so passionately. Yeah, these lyrics.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Well, no, it was weird because I think what made
that interaction weird was our timing felt a little off.
I was trying to with you.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Yeah, okay, interesting, do you I have a history getting
lyrics wrong, and I think this is like such a
funny one, so I'll just share it with you. Guys.
Do you remember that Zaye song? And it was like
it was one of his very first songs, but it
was like bed in the better Wait, we've had better days,
(01:22):
better days, dada da, Oh gosh, it's gonna drive me crazy. Well,
he's saying better days, but I thought, you know, he
has a little bit of an accent. I thought he
was saying in the bed all day. No, I'm saying
it wrong. He's saying, let's be in the bed all
day and I can better days. And I would say
it almost like he had a He couldn't pronounce his ours,
(01:44):
like better day, bad old day.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Gave him a full speech.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It's so rude of me, but I totally thought that's
what he was saying. And you know when your friend
bus like she could not speak, she was laughing so
hard because I was so adamantly singing and as if
I had it right.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
We have a friend that we share in common name Elise.
I don't know if she listens to this, but I'll
just use her name because it's so funny. We were
at a Lizzo show and she said could have had
a bad Bitch Malcolm Middle and I was like, did
you just say Malcolm Middle? And she said yeah, and
that's the lyric and I said, no, it's non committal,
(02:25):
and I have it on film. I mean, you remember
that show Malcolm Middle. She likes sang it with such gusto.
Malcolm Middle.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That's how That's what's so funny about it. It's like
you're singing it just so passionately, as if everyone's about
to say Malcum.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Middle, and now all I hear is Malcolm Middle.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Malcolm Middle, Malcolm Middle.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I was like, why would Lizzo put Malcolm Middle in
another song? About?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Why not? Though I know, I know, you know how
these raps go.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I don't know if any I don't know if Malcolm
in the middle could have had a bad bitch now,
Like it's.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Just really it doesn't really work together. You're actually right
about that in his bad old days, in those battle days.
I mean, god, now you guys go find that song.
Whatever it is. It's it's Zane's biggest song. It was
like the very first one. I was obsessed with it too,
but I probably should have watched the lyric video. Anyway,
(03:23):
we died dress. Obviously this is your favorite week, Chip
because we had Marvel on the podcast and it's astrology week. Yah,
Chip learns astrology. We should have like a little song
for that. Basically what we do whenever it's astrology is
I send Chip the different themes that we talked about
with Marv, and he can kind of he kind of
picks the ones that he's like, Okay, this makes sense
(03:45):
to me, and I could speak to this a little bit.
This is like just making my brain jeke blah. Yeah. Yeah,
He's like wa wah wah wah, wah wah wah. So anyway,
two of the topics that Marvin I covered. Obviously this
is Libra season, and so we touched a lot on
just the Libra new moon kind of what libra energy is,
how it's playing into everything else. There's multiple other things
(04:08):
happening all at the same time, because that's how astrology works.
And one of the main things is that we are
moving into the age of Aquarius, which we've been talking
about for a while. Pluto prim and why.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
We started singing the song.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Which is why we were singing the song to make
this a full circle moment.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Anyway, those are the two themes that we're going to
talk about today because they seem like they would be
contradicting energies. And I think that's what's so interesting about
astrology is that often you'll have so many different things
happening at once, and they can be these completely contradicting energies,
and so then you go, wait, okay, how is this
going to work together? And I think that's kind of
(04:47):
an interesting thing to play on here with Libra and Aquarius.
I did, like you were actually googling. You were like,
what is the age of Aquarius? Do you have that?
Maybe you could read that for the listeners to start.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, So this this is the explanation that I found.
This is the age of Aquarius signifies a long astronomical
astronomical Yeah is it not astrological?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
But the study of the stars are the stars movie?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Is astronomy?
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Okay, astronomy?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
That makes sense? Okay. The Age of Aquarius signifies a
long astronomical cycle and represents a spiritual and cultural shift
towards collective harmony, equality, innovation, and humanitarianism, moving away from
the individualistic me to the collective we, through a greater
consciousness and global interactiveness, so interconnectedness. Sorry, I can't read today. Apparently,
(05:38):
this concept, popularized by the song Aquarius from the musical Hair,
suggests a new era of spiritual awakening, social and political change,
and a reconnection with nature and the universal truth.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
So that's like this big shift. I mean, we were
in Pluto and Capricorn. I wish I could remember. This
is where I'm like, I need Marv, but I can't
remember how long Pluto transits are, but they're a really
long time, like twenty years or something. Or I think
we might be in this age for I don't know,
maybe the rest of our lives. No, maybe not. I'll
look it up at some point in this podcast, but
(06:11):
we're Yeah, I'm not a professional astrologer. I would never
try to claim that, but the Aquarius energy is this
overall sense that I think I'm starting to feel. I
don't know if everyone else is, but we've been so
driven because we were in this Capricorn era and it's
like Capricorn is all about working hard, you know, success
(06:33):
at all by all means or whatever. And I think
we've reached this place where like that's not working. Think
about all the crazy shit that's been happening over the
last couple of years. It's like literally the world shut down,
so capitalism doesn't really have as big of a say
when you can't sell anything or you know, like the
world's not working. And I think now because there's been
(06:53):
so much divisiveness and fighting and the ups and the downs,
and we're going through tragedy after tragedy. There's this moment
that's starting to happen where people are kind of like, yeah,
I don't want to fight anymore, and like, how do
we work together? Or maybe we do need to like
think about this as a bigger conversation than just like
(07:15):
my side of it. And that's very much this like
aquarian humanitarian piece. The other interesting thing about Aquarius though,
is it's the most like individual sign of the zodiac
and so it like marches to the beat of its
own drum. And what Marv was talking about a lot
is like you don't want to just be so attached
(07:36):
to one group that you're not seeing the big picture.
And I think that's what we've seen, right, Like we
try not to talk about politics too much on here
because this is not a political podcast, and I don't
want it to be. But I think we've all seen
and think everyone could be honest about the fact that
it's felt very much like one side versus the other, right.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Right, And I think that's sides. Well, what's interesting about
what you said about the Aquarius sign is it does
make a little bit of sense to me, because I
do feel like the point is the greatest way to
achieve global harmony is to let everybody just be, as
(08:17):
long as it's with kindness. Like I'm you know, that
doesn't shouldn't give license for people to be murderers and
thieves and all of those things. There should be some
order to society because you have to like, we're never
going to reach perfection. But I think when it comes
to social issues, we should all just let people be,
you know, be who you're gonna be, and lead with love.
(08:37):
And so I can see how the Aquarius that energy
being the individualist could also translate into sort of a
message of like putting your arms around your neighbors and
saying like, hey, I don't care what color you are,
I don't care who you sleep with, I don't care
who you voted for, even like let's just love each other.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Yeah, you're making such a good point, and you're nailing
it because because Aquarius is so individual thinking, they're not judgmental,
like Aquarius is so accepting of all kinds. And that's
where this humanitarian piece can come in too, because because
they like being individual, they like being eccentric, and I
(09:18):
think that most Aquarius is that I know can accept
that we all walk different journeys in life, and so
why would I be the one to tell you how
to do it? You know what I mean? Like, I
can't tell you how to live your life if I
haven't walked a mile in your shoes, right, and most
of us haven't. But Aquarius is probably going to be
the first one to tell you that. Like, my boyfriend's
(09:39):
an Aquarius and he also has an Aquarius south note,
so he's got a lot of Aquarius energy. And he's
one of the most accepting people I've ever met in
my life. Like he's just like good for them there,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Honestly, it's like sounds like the most peaceful way to live.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
It is like he doesn't spend time judging people, and
I really does. I don't find myself. I never have
thought of myself to be judgmental necessarily, maybe in my
younger days, but when I'm around him, I feel so
judgmental because I'm like, why do I care? Why am
I bitching about that thing? Like it doesn't affect me?
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Why do I care? Well? I mean, often judgment is
a self reflection too, you know. So it's like I
think that if if you have that Aquarius energy and
you are able to like not be bothered by other
people's whatevers, it probably is a that it says something
about like And I don't know him well enough to
(10:35):
like know if he judges himself or is like beats
himself up over things, But I would imagine there's a
lot of peace in not judging yourself. I mean, most
of the things that I couched myself judging other people
about is shit that I hate about myself, you.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Know, sure, well they don't like about myself.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, And so I mean it sounds like being an
Aquarius is pretty ideal, and it doesn't sound like the
whereas is. I know, aren't like so closed off to
the world that they're unrealistic either, They're just coming from
a different place. I want to go back to really quick,
to the Hair musical, because I googled this while we
(11:12):
were talking, because I wondered if Hair the musical, which
came out in nineteen sixty seven, was written as if
it was a response to the war, and it says, yes,
it was a direct response to the Vietnam War and
the counterculture movement of the nineteen sixties, so it would
make sense even though we're not in I mean, we're
not technically in a war right now, it feels like
(11:35):
there is a war on the brink, and even if
it's more of a contextual war and not like us
pulling out guns and finding each other or having a
civil war in the United States, it does feel like
we have been at war with the other side for
eight to twelve years at this point, and this dawning
of the new age of Aquarius that's upon us. The
(11:58):
timing feels perfect because we're all fucking sick of it,
and so maybe this isn't a response to that.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
It is and this is look at you. I mean,
I just feel like a proud mom right now, because
first of all, you just set me up for the
perfect transition into Libra energy. But second of all, one
of the things I said to Marv was when we're
doing our astrology podcast, I'm thinking about the United States
right like I'm thinking about how this is playing out
(12:26):
collectively is what I always say, like collectively, But what
I'm thinking about is the United States. But what's interesting
is to think about the world because you said war,
and yes, our war here has not looked like civil
wars in the past, But to say we aren't quote
unquote at war would be I think you would be
(12:47):
kind of silly right now because there has been that,
and I think even we're seeing whether it's between us
and like government or us and each other, or these
like assassinations that are happening, the mass shootings, like there's
war things happening here, whether we want to admit that
or not. And then in other countries there is actual war. Yeah,
(13:10):
So like that is a big theme right now, and
that all lines up astrologically, But as you're saying, that
sends us into one to craving the other side of things,
which is all about balance, which is all libra. So
that's what's interesting. Like Libra's symbol in astrology is these
two scales like you would see with a courtroom or something,
(13:31):
and so it's like the idea being when one when
you go to one extreme too far, Libra is always
going to work to like even out the other side.
So if like one side is going too heavy, like
we're going too far into war, we're probably gonna start
wanting to go into like kumbaya, like let's all work
together eventually, but it typically in the times of the
(13:53):
past where this energy has been at play, it has
been the Revolutionary War, like the Revolution, all of these
revolutions have happened during similar astrology, So it makes sense,
like it all lines up. And I think when you said,
like it's just kind of perfect, it's like, of course
(14:13):
it is, because It's what I'm always trying to say
about astrology is like it's not necessarily this weird hokey
woo woo thing. It is literally like written in the
stars and then the energy starts happening, and so when
you're aware of what's happening in the stars, you can
kind of like notice it in your life and then
work with it and not let it work you.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, it's funny too because back to the point of
like us being at war, you know, even theoretically, Yeah,
I mean when you think about war times throughout history,
it's one of the things that can sadly unite the
people of a country because we have to you know,
like nine to eleven was you know, the start of
(14:56):
what became the war in the Middle East, and it
was like the United States has never felt more you
know together. In my lifetime than the days following nine
to eleven. I mean, I lived in New York and
the New Yorkers are fucking tough people, and they don't
it's they're almost like aquarium. They it feels like every
New Yorker's an Aquarius because they seemingly don't give a
(15:19):
shit about you. But it's like they actually just are
doing their own thing, you know. But like New Yorkers
really came together in that moment, and I think, you know,
I can only speak for my personal experience, but I
do think like everyone sort of it rippled through America
and everyone felt it and we were all very pro America.
So in our theoretical the right versus the Left war
(15:39):
that we've been in for so many years now, it's
like it does it's like that war, and the people
that are trying to construct that war benefit by the
right feeling like they all have to agree with each
other and the left feeling like they all have to
agree with each other. And at a certain point that
energy just becomes too much and it starts to break
(16:02):
down and you have to be like, wait a minute,
maybe we should be leading with love and not us
versus them. And I'm hoping that's where this Aquarius energy
comes in and fucking saves our nation and help saves
the world. And maybe this is just a cyclical thing
because of you know, astrology, but this this is only
lifetime that I remember, of.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Course, so we've never feel.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
So intense like this is going to end the world.
But I do believe that humanity at some point will
step in and sort of right the wrongs.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
That are what I would hope. It's so interesting you
brought up the sixties though, because I was talking about
that with my parents recently, and you know, I think
this Charlie Kirk assassination. Again, we don't talk about political
stuff that much, but we keep talking about this one,
(16:55):
and like, to me, this is more just like cultural
things happening. I'm not taking aside one way or the
other on this day on this topic, but we were
talking about that assassination and my dad was you know,
my parents lived through the sixties, obviously, and he was like,
this feels so reminiscent of those times in a way
where it was like these political figures or public figures
(17:19):
that we have fighting for a cause or whatever are
getting assassinated. I mean, you have to think back about
like Martin Luther King and then both the Kennedy men
and Malcolm X, like all these people during that time
were just being shot out in broad daylight. And then
it's like all of the issues when you really think,
I've noticed this. I watched this show First Lady back
(17:42):
in the day. I can't remember what network it's on.
It was so great, but it was so eye opening
for me watching the women that they had. I think
I've talked about it on this podcast, but the women
that they had on and they were one was playing
Michelle Obama, one was Eleanor Roosevelt, and then one was
Betty Ford, and it was so wild because all three
(18:03):
of them we're fighting for the same issues that we're
fighting about now, like women's rights, gay rights, racism, Like
it's all the same thing. It's like we recycle the
same arguments and sometimes they get louder than others, and
sometimes we like move forward with new rules about things
or whatever, then we go backwards or whatever. But it's
(18:25):
all the same thing. We've been doing it for our
entire country's existence. If you really think about it, well,
I mean.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
It's a really easy thing to get people worked up
about because it's it others somebody. And yes, it's a
great way to like stoke fear when you know, if
you really take a step back and look and think,
there's enough money, there's enough food, there's enough work to
go around. Yeah, but because of fear, we have to
(18:54):
target certain sects of people. And I don't mean a sect,
sects sex of people to be like, no, they can't
have what I have because that means I'm going to
have less of it, and that's just really not the case.
But the evil powers that be are really good at
making you feel like that's true. And so what's a
(19:15):
really easy way to like say that someone's different than
you is by the color of their skin. You don't
even have to open your mouth and you can suddenly
have fear. So racism is like one of those really
hard things that like is going to be really difficult
to squash because it's such an easy thing to make
people scared. You know. It's it's you can't hide it,
you know, or you can't hide race because it's just
(19:37):
a visual queue what I'm noticing as I just stay
as an observer, which is another thing that Marvin I
talked about, like the importance of not attaching too hard
to one thing or one side or one narrative, but
trying to stay an observer in all and just like,
what do I think?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
That's very Aquarius. It's like be in the situation and
then ask yourself what do you think without someone else
telling that to you, or like you know, dictating that
for you, or you're just so associated with one side
you're not using your own freethinking mind anymore. But like
the thing that dawned on me, like not to bring
up Charlie Kirk again, but I'm gonna bring it up again.
(20:18):
But what I noticed was there were some people obviously
that were so quick to want to go to blame
of the other side. And I think that's such a
normal human thing to we need to blame someone when
we're in pain of some sort or when we're in fear.
And so what I've observed from the outside is all
of us just trying to do the thing that's gonna
(20:39):
make us feel safe. And so I know for some people,
anything other than what they are makes them feel unsafe
and it's scary. So it's like everyone's just fighting for
a sense of security, where there's others that feel safer
when we're all treated equally, you know, whether that means
you are of a minority or not. But I just
(21:01):
think it's like so interesting to watch everyone scramble for
safety and we're all just trying to get there through
a different route. And the Charlie Kirk thing came in,
and it was like everyone wants to point blame at
somebody really fast because it's scary, right, Like it's like
it's scary to watch someone out in our world living
his life just be shot in broad daylight, Like that
(21:21):
is scary. It scared me, It scares a lot of people.
All the other shootings that happened scary, Like that's it's
just like scary that that's what's happening in our world
and you never know when that might happen again or whatever.
But I think what we can all cling to right
now is maybe like we all are trying to find
a sense of security and focusing on that, like being
(21:42):
honest with yourself about that, but also like, Okay, well
how do I find it for myself in this moment,
and like you said, be a law finding citizen about it.
We're not trying to like encourage anything outside of that
but also just like not hating on everyone else's route
to that. But I don't know if that's fair or not.
But in my hand, I'm just like I keep wanting
(22:04):
to like get other people to safety through the route
that works for me, that's not going to what's going
to work for them. You know, if you think about
it on a smaller scale, the things that you and
I feel comfortable with as individuals are probably different. Absolutely,
So it's like opening up that world for everyone.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Well it's funny because I mean, obviously I'm we're trying
to not be political here because this isn't just about politics,
but just said.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
That, so many times I'm like annoyed with us right now.
I know, but but here's a political topic I'm going.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
To talk about. Well, no, and this isn't even a
political topic. It's just I think about when when it
was election season and I was trying to have conversations
with people that I knew, like particularly family members who
were going to be voting differently than me, and me
trying to make my case. You know, I was often
asked like, because you know, I grew up in a
(22:56):
Republican house, like my family are Republicans and I'm not
and all love to Republicans out there, because you know,
I've got plenty of them that I love in my family.
It's this isn't a month to sound like a blanket statement.
But my dad would be like, well, why are you
a Democrat? And I would say to him, Dad, like
the label doesn't mean anything to me, to be honest,
But when I go to vote, I don't just go
(23:18):
into that ballot box and think about myself. I try
to think about the Wii and not me and will
that mean like maybe, yeah, I'll have to pay a
little bit more taxes, yeah, but like I also don't
like potholes, and I want there to be books in schools,
and like I want the things, you know, like I
want there to be social safety nets for people that
(23:39):
don't have them. I recognize that I grew up with
the privilege of having a family that was together and
had a generational wealth. We lived in a house that
our grandmother gave my mom. Like, you know, it's and
by all means, I didn't grow up rich, but there
is privilege to that. I knew that I was never
gonna have to worry about a meal, so you know,
(24:00):
when I go to vote. I try to think of
the Wii, like there's the Aquarius in me, you know,
but I also understand that, like my parents vote from
a place of me because they're scared of losing what
they have. So it's hard for me to hate on
them for that. And I you know, I tried to
like not make it super policy driven and just be like, hey,
(24:21):
I want you to think about other people, like you
do you have two granddaughters, you have a gay son,
like this is think about them, you know, think about
me when you go into that voting booth. Don't just
think about yourself. And even though that ass sounds selfish,
it's not about me. It's about like all of the
me's that like our rights are being infringed upon when
(24:45):
seemingly the things that my parents thought that were being
infringed upon them really had nothing to do with them,
you know, like an immigrant's going to take their job
like they're both fucking retired, you know, like not gonna happen.
But anyway, my point is it is more about the
we versus me, and I think that plays into this
(25:05):
conversation just sort of on an energetic level too, because
I think that's what it's going to take for us
to sort of come back from this is we have
to start thinking collectively and not selfishly.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
But to play Devil's advocate, yes, we have to start
thinking collectively for sure, like what works on a bigger
scale for more people or whatever, But we're never actually
going to get to a place where we all agree
on that. And I've really started to accept that now.
And that also is Aquarius though. That's what Marv is
(25:39):
saying when he's saying, try not to attack, Like let's
call it left and right right now, it's like, try
not to attach so hard to all things left or
all things right, because what is right for you as
an individual also matters here, and like you have a brain,
use it, use your brain. That's not just someone spewing
(26:01):
out stuff. Because everything you just said, I've heard someone
on a Republican side say the exact same thing. And
that's kind of the thing that I think, Like, I
think we're so scared to make this political on this
podcast because it just felt so divisive, and we don't
seem to have the capacity to have conversations with people
(26:22):
coming from different places. That hasn't been the case. I'm
hoping that's going to change. And like what I would
say is, I'm not an expert in politics, and so
that's why I feel uncomfortable talking about it sometimes because
you get so much hate for stating an opinion. And
all we're stating is like, from our perspective of where
(26:42):
we stand in this world, but so is so are
most people and most listeners, Like, we don't have political commentary.
People probably listening to this podcast, it's very not in
the lane. Who knows, maybe we do, but all I'm
saying is, like, that's not the goal here. We're talking
about more spiritual stuff than politics are. But I think
that we do need to start having, like trying to
(27:05):
grow our capacity to have conversations with people who don't
necessarily see things in the exact same lens as us.
And I had that experience a couple weeks ago with
a friend of ours who we don't see to I
at all on anything. We're coming from completely different places.
But I really enjoyed having to like work the muscle
(27:26):
of not letting myself get so worked up when she
would say her perspective and where she was coming from,
and reminding myself consistently over that conversation. She has had
a different life experience than me, and in her life experience,
the values that she's expressing makes sense. I could see
why that is, like where she's coming at this from.
(27:49):
And then I think she gave me the same respect
of like, Okay, Kelly's life experience has led her to make,
you know, these decisions, or to believe in these things,
or to need these things for security in her life life.
And we had a respectful conversation. We didn't even have
to say like agree to disagree, because we just kind
of were like, Okay, I see where you're coming from.
(28:09):
I see it this way, but yeah, and she would
say I see where you're coming from, like yeah, And
that was a beautiful experience. But we need to practice
that muscle, I think, because I think we've gotten so
just everyone's going to vomit their opinion and I'm right
and you're wrong, and how do you see this way?
And how do you not see it this clearly? And whatever?
And we're not remembering we each have individual experiences and
(28:29):
we're each here on a different journey and that's going
to keep playing out.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So how do we prove that till the end of time?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
On a greater scale.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Yeah, and you know change change never comes from being
forced to change. The change will never come to be
from like trying to force someone to change, the.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Change someone into change.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
Oh, the only way that you're gonna that someone might
change is by being listened to, because you're not going
to be able to even ask them the right follow
up questions to get them to change unless you listen
to their point of view. If you just come in
hot and I'm not even talking about politics, you know,
like this is in any situation, if you're talking about
(29:21):
like whether or not a song is good. Yeah, If
you just come in with guns of blazon being like
you're wrong and this is why, then you're never going
to get through to somebody because they don't feel safe.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
They don't you know. It's so interesting as you were
saying that, though I was thinking to myself, I actually
think I have only experienced people changing on their own
accord because their life experience shows them something like it's
never been because I'm just like, let me tell you
a something.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Yeah, totally like.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
I want to of course, and so many times, like
I'm thinking back to past relationships and I always say
this on this post I just thought to myself, if
I just say this in another way, like if I
just express it at a different time, in another tone
of voice and I word it differently, then they'll understand
if THENS used to like annihilate me in relationships, because
(30:16):
it would keep me stuck for so long thinking if
only then this, you know, And the reality was is
I wasn't ever gonna say it right. I was never
going to say it in a way that was like
heard by the other side of the other person or whatever,
because that wasn't their life experience at that time. And
the only thing I could do was start to worry
about me and like, hey, this is impacting me negatively,
(30:39):
and the only person that's going to make that better
for me is me. Like they can't do anything, yo,
But just I mean, unfortunately, yes, the relationships needed to end,
but that you know, and that's sad, and that's the
part of the process. But I think it's like I
had to get to the realization of I have got
I can't talk my way into making the perfect relationship
(31:00):
that I'm seeking right now because with this person, because
we're just not aligned, so it doesn't matter. And that's
what I think. On a bigger scale too, is like
we kind of got to give everyone the space for
life to happen. And I think that is what's happening
a little bit versus the yelling and screaming at each other.
Like let's let this play out a little bit, because
I think as it plays out, we're all starting to
(31:21):
see maybe we're more aligned than we think on something
and maybe we need to kind of like get out
of the way or we need to like come together
on some things that we're like agreeing on against bigger forces,
you know. And a lot of that is Libra, Like
a lot of that is about the balancing that's happening,
(31:43):
and it'll be interesting to me to see kind of
what happens in this Libra season because I think we
are going to be craving a little more balance and
a little more let's not fight like Libra. I have
a Libra stellium and I hate like I will fight
for the fucking underdog all day, Like when things are
unjust or unfair, it kills me, like I cannot take it,
(32:06):
and so so often like if I see something that
feels not fair, I have to go argue it and
I have to seek balance for all, and that's just
very much the energy that's coming like it, I mean,
it can take me over. It's wild, Like mama, I'm
just saying. I just that I have a lot of
cancer too, So it's all the Mama bear stuff. But balance, fairness, harmony, relationships, justice, diplomacy, diplomat,
(32:34):
how do you say displomacy? That's right. Liber wants peace,
equality and beauty, but often struggles with indecision because they
see all sides. So that's where marves. Like, You've got
to stay with your brain, stay in your individual thinking,
like tap into your aquarius where you want to think
for yourself, and like lean into all your eccentric parts
(32:56):
of yourself or whatever whatever makes you you. And then
on a bigger scale, like how do we make this
place beautiful again? Because it's a shit show. So do
these things make sense? Like how they come together?
Speaker 2 (33:09):
Absolutely wild?
Speaker 1 (33:11):
Like do you see this happening on a bigger scale
in our world right now? Do you see a plan
out in your day to day life or anything.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
I've definitely felt a shift. I mean I don't know
that I can not to make him the subject of
this the subject of this podcast, but like I do
think that the Charlie Kirk assassination is gonna be sort
of a turning point. Oh gosh, pun intended, not intended,
because I do think. I mean, obviously, no one should
(33:39):
die for the words that they're saying. Whether you agree
with this or not, a murder is a horrific thing,
or agree with what he was saying or not. I did.
I did not agree with him, but I do agree
that everyone is entitled to an opinion. Yes, and we
have the we have the First Amendment right to say
what we want to say in this country, and you
should not die for that, in the same that Martin
(34:00):
Luther King should not have died for what he was saying.
And I understand why the martyrdom is happening for him,
for the people that like stood behind him and believed
what he was saying and agreed with what he was saying.
But I also think that it was there was a
moment where we saw people public figures who gravely disagreed
(34:22):
with what this man said, who stood up and said
what we're saying right now, like, he did not deserve
to die. Murder is not the answer of violence is
not the answer. Let's pray for his family. All of
the things, And I feel like that is the mark
of a major shift, because we haven't had something like
that where the sides that were disagreeing had to somewhat
(34:45):
come together for moment. YEA. Even though there was like
blame being pointed a lot of shitty things that came
from it too, like people getting fired for expressing their
first Amendment right, it did feel like those in power
or all did sort of get on the same page
for a minute or most people. So that shift of
(35:07):
energy I think sort of reverberated across the lands. And
I hope that, you know, it does turn out to
be the point that, like was the shift. You know, personally,
do I feel any shift? I mean, it's hard for
me to say right now because my work life is
so taken over my personal life.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Interesting though, because we're moving into Libra season. So if
you're all about work and neglecting the rest of your life,
you're probably gonna pay some consequences. Like it is all
about finding balance, so something to consider.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, So that, I mean, that's good to know because
it's if I feel like I'm fighting that I know why.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, And if you feel like if you feel like
you're being pulled to not be in balance. I would
assume you're your instinct will somehow be like, well, I'm
really tired, but it's like, it's not. It's about what
I have learned from working with astrology is that it's
not like, you know, Marv could tell me something or
I'm reading something about the different transits and I go, Okay,
(36:10):
well I'm going to apply that to my life, you know,
definitively right now. But what it does make me do
is just start noticing. So it's like something will happen,
like I've been super busy with work too, and because
I know and I'm having these conversations with Marv and
with you and whatever, and it's in the forefront of
my mind. What happens for me when I start to
realize I'm booking my days down to the minute every day,
(36:34):
I'm like, okay, that's a recipe for burnout and you
know yourself, Like Libra for me is in my sixth
house for any astrology people. So it's all about balance
in my day to day activities and my health. So basically,
if I over work every time, I'm gonna get sick,
like physically, my health will start to pay the consequences.
You've watched this happen to me for years, like the
(36:56):
joke in our group, and this has been my whole
life too, is I'm just like sickly, like I'm all,
but it's because I have to take such make such
a conscious effort to like take care of my body,
and I can't do the things that I want to
strive to do as my Capricorn south note is always
telling me to overwork and like really like overcommit and
(37:18):
do the things because I can think I want to
sacrifice myself to make the things happen, but I will
pay the consequences and that's all. It's like you can
do that. You can totally throw yourself so far into
work and forget about your routines or your workouts or whatever,
but eventually it's gonna have to swing back, and so
you might as well really try to work as best
you can to make the conscious effort right now of
(37:41):
being as much imbalance as you possibly can. It's not
always feasible for us to be completely equal, but it's like, Okay,
I know I'm really busy, so I need to make
sure I wake up thirty minutes earlier so that I
can still get my work out in because that's something
I've made a decision to, you know, prioritize on whatever negotiables.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Yeah, it's funny too, because I do as you were
talking like I today, I've the last few days have
been just insane for me in terms of like the
amount of work I've been trying to get done and
the imbalance, Like I haven't showered for two days and
I just literally have not had time. But there was
(38:24):
a moment today where I was like, Okay, I know
that this is it's a very specific window. There's new client,
there's a release, there's a release coming, there's all of
this stuff is just stacked at the same time. So
I recognized today. I was like, this is just a moment.
Work through this, Recognize that you're working through this moment,
(38:45):
and then you'll find the balance again. And normally I
wouldn't I wouldn't have had that thought. I normally would
have just been like I'm gonna die, Like I would
have gotten super frazzled and let that play into me,
and I'm like, no, I can through this. I can
handle this. And you know, maybe that was the Lebor season,
you know, tapping me on my phold.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Then yeah, no, seriously, that is how it happens. And
then once you start to notice it in one place,
you just start noticing it way more and then you
can actually be conscious about the way you are working
with it. Like for me, I'm like, Okay, this is
a season where I really do need to lean into
balance or else. I know where it will go because
(39:26):
I've done it so many times the other way, and
this is another season that's going to constantly be bringing
me back to that. And right now I'm being pulled
too to go work a lot and whatever. But like
I even have already planned out. I'm like, Okay, the
thing that has been helping me the most is putting
lavender oil in my bath every night, and I've making
me sleep so well, and so I'm like, okay, that
(39:47):
is a non negotiable for me now, and I will
carve out the extra twenty minutes that I need that
at night versus just trying to get in bed and
then shame myself because I can't fall asleep, you know,
Like right, it's just doing those kind things, and like
you said, you have the end goal and that's the
way our job works sometimes, is you have seasons of craziness,
so it's just going to be like that. But if
(40:08):
you have the end goal and then you have your
things in place to take care of yourself, you'll probably
be fine. Like that's just but that's balance, that's finding
it the best you can. I just think it's interesting
the two energies together. Like I read this earlier, but
it says like structurally there's the Libra where we're like
picking sides, but then we also have this like group
(40:31):
versus independence thing of the Aquarius happening, so you can
but you can tie them together under this umbrella of
balance and freedom, and I think those are the things
we all want, right balance and freedom. So those are
the big energies right now. There's other things at play.
If you guys want to know about that, you can
always go listen to me and Marv dissect at all
because there is a lot going on. But that's we've
(40:54):
said that. I feel like I've been saying that on
repeat it every time we do an astrology podcast. But
that's the season we're in. And Marv talked about that too,
Like with Pluto, it's gonna tear us down to then
build us back up. But he said, Pluto does always
come with pain. So that's what we've been feeling, is
this pain of the tear down, the breakdown, the like deconstruction.
But it's going to be rebuilt, and so maybe we
(41:16):
can like try to focus on that positive energy. I
don't know that we're quite to the rebuilding yet, but
to not so out of control with Oh my god,
this is just a lot right now, Like it's going
to be a lot for a while. It just is.
Twenty twenty five is probably going to be a lot
for the rest of the year at least, and I
don't really know exactly yet when the end is. But
it's not going to be just like this what I
(41:38):
think we all want, which is like we wake up
tomorrow and this is over. Like it's a process and
learning to work with it'll probably make it easier. Stop
trying to fight it like it's gonna happen. So, yeah,
that's what's happening in this month. I actually feel like
you were like very astrology based today. It was kind
of weird to me out. Yeah, all of a sudden,
(42:00):
he is the Age of Asarius.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
I'm just dancing naked with a group of people like him.
Hair I feel like.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
You will be next weekend at your birth I'm We're
gonna have a lot of stories for you.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
We're going to qus for Chip's birthday next week. Oh
my god, fifty here we are.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Crazy, so crazy. I'm not technically turning fifty next week,
but celebrate.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
You're moving into your fifty era.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Yes, I am, I am.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Anyway, you guys can always email us let us know
how the astrology is working for you. You can email
us at the edge at velvet edge dot com. I
am at velvet Edge.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
On Instagram, Chip, I'm at Chip Doors. It's Chip d
o R sch.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Our joint Insta and podcast Insta is also at Velvet Edge.
You can check our description for this podcast for all
the other places you can find us. Come join along,
come chat with us. I really want to keep building
a community that we can talk to that's not necessarily
like as aggressive as the rest of social media. I
(43:04):
don't know where we're gonna find that, but let's just like.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Start here ourselves.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Yeah, yeah, we just got to keep there's I know
that we have our people out there, and I just
think that we all got to lean on each other,
you know, right now, while we collectively go through some shit,
so let's do that. Check us out, hit us up,
And as you guys go into your weekend and you're
living on the edge, I hope you always remember too.
Speaker 2 (43:28):
Bye casual, Bye bye
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