October 1, 2025 • 40 mins
Kelly and astrologer Marvin Wilkerson dive into the powerful energy of the Virgo New Moon and upcoming eclipses. Together they unpack Virgo’s role as the sign of digestion and assimilation—turning life’s struggles into growth, purification, and spiritual unity. Marv explains how this lunation highlights themes of service, patience, and the challenge of perfectionism, while also bringing sudden insights that can break us out of rigid routines.
The conversation covers the Virgo-Pisces polarity, karmic lessons of balance and justice, and how these transits may stir both deep healing and collective transformation. From facing inner criticism to learning tolerance, from letting go of suppressed rage to stepping into humble service, this episode explores how the September skies are asking us to ground in purpose and move forward with clarity
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Well, we were just talking about the pendulum of Karma
before this. It was just a light little chat we had, right, Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, really it was light.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, I mean for us, it kind of was. But yeah,
it's the Libra Libra new moon. You know. I really
got to tell you, I typically really like the energy
of Libra season. And maybe it's because I'm a Libra stallium.
I don't know if that's how it works or not,
but I do feel like this time of year. I
don't know if it's like everything just feels a little
(00:44):
more balanced to me, the fall energy coming in feels
nice and we're ready for it after a hot summer. Like,
I don't know what it is, but I genuinely always
love Libra season. Do you feel that way or is
that just me?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Don't you have a Taurus? Right?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah? Oh yeah, So I'm all about Venus.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's peaceful, it's Venus.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, it's Venus. Okay. So Venus is the ruling planet
for Taurus and Libra. So that's like basically my whole chart.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Okay, interesting, Well, but for for Taurus it's all about
values and enjoy and pleasure, and for Labor it's all
about relationships, right, but Libra is much more cardinal, which
means it's much more assertive on getting the relationship at once.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And they act peaceful.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Right, Libra is a little deceiving that way.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
But that's a fricking lie too, right.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, Libra likes to appear very peaceful and.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Price and as soon as you turn your back, buddy,
the sword comes out.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah. I've noticed that. That's interesting that you brought that
up because I have typically thought in the past Libra
is like such a gentle energy, and I'm like, oh no,
it's not. Yeah, yeah, okay, Well let's talk about there's
I was reading your outline and I love this new
way that you're doing it where there's all the different
energy patterns happening. But let's first start with what's happening with.
(02:16):
We had a Virgo eclipse, we have a new moon
coming in, and.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Again, how did you do with that Virgo eclipse?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It rocks me a little bit, not gonna lie, it
rocked me, like I can't tell if it was the
Pisces eclipse or the Virgo or just the combination of
all the things. But the last now it's been three
and a half weeks, it's just been wild. There's just
feels like that thing of where there's one thing after another.
(02:43):
I have sustained myself, but it's just definitely there's been
a lot of chance for the up and down emotional
kind of volatility around me.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And that's what I said last month when I was
talking about that virgo of eclipse is recognize it wordly
conditions are unstable. Yeah, and the importance in finding and
maintaining one's own inner footing and purpose and maintain the
focus in the midst of chaos. See, that's one of
(03:12):
the hardest things. Do you realize you cannot defeat mass
consciousness or mob consciousness. I'm sorry, if you allow yourself
to get into a crowd that gets into mob consciousness,
you cannot defeat that energy because it overtakes you. Think
of that.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No, it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And so this is what we're all trying to do
for the next six months since that was an eclipse,
is stay out of the mob consciousness.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
God, every time we do these podcasts, it's so fascinating
to me to connect it to what's happening universally or
out in the collective. And obviously, I think after we
did our last podcast, Marv and you talked about the
stuff coming in all the stuff happened with Charlie Kirk
being assassinated, and what's been so interesting for me about
(04:07):
that it was obviously a very sad experience. No matter
what side of the political scale you stand on. I
think we all can agree that shouldn't be happening in
our world, but it is, unfortunately, And what I'm starting
to see collectively is that everyone's getting fed up. I
think it's started very heavily with like, well, this was
(04:28):
the right and this was the left, and now as
a little bit of time is going by, I'm seeing
more people kind of go, wait a second, this is
a bigger issue that we have on a whole, and
we're starting to maybe not buy in all the way
to we have to be this side or you have
to be that side. And it's been so lovely to
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me to see even a small little bit of that
start to come into the narrative.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You know, I had a dream and what I was
shown in the dream is I was voting above the
clouds and it says this is where you need to
assend to accept what's going on in the ground. And
it showed me the capital of the United States and
looked down on it, and it said, that's how you
(05:16):
deal with it. You look down as an observer of what's.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Going on instead of getting how man.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Rise above and just look at it as an observer. Yeah,
we don't have to internalize it, we don't have to
argue it, we don't have to do any of that
because our job to move to a higher level of
consciousness is just to be above it and look down
(05:46):
on it. It's not that we're disconnecting. We're not disconnecting
by observing it and going through the process. So it's
again giving us an opportunity to rise to a higher
level of consciousness so we can just observe it without
getting emotionally caught up.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yes, Like, I have to give my boyfriend this credit.
He's an Aquarius, so I think you'll appreciate this. But
he's always operated that way with politics, and so he'll
watch me kind of get you know, swirled up, and
I'm just like, oh, just so worked up and frustrated.
This was happening more back around when they're like, you.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Know, he smiles at you a lot too.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I don't know if he just smiles, he just kind
of is like.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Okay, if you don't see it, he's hiding it.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I don't know if he's smiling. I think he just
kind of is like, Okay, Okay, there she goes. She's going,
she gone. But yeah, So I started last couple of
years feeling that way and just feeling like I think
a lot of people feel again, regardless of what side
you're on, I think we all are like how do
they not see this? You know, like we have that mentality.
(07:02):
And he helped me because he the way he would
say it is just like you know, I literally observe
people on both sides saying the exact same thing about
the other side, and so he's never been as much
of an emotionally attached person to one side or the
other as me, because he's like, both sides are fucked up.
So like we just need to observe like what you're saying,
(07:24):
which is a very Aquarius like detached. Let's just think
about on the whole, like the collective here and not
necessarily giving so much energy to every single news article
that comes out that's trying to do exactly what it's
doing and get you fired.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't waste my energy on trying
to get involved in that.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I've stopped now.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
No, I mean I'm people interested just like you. Yeah,
I know you're people interest And when you're interested in people,
it's just a matter of either holding space for them
to download or just listening and understanding that they're processing
as you're holding the space for them. Because so many
(08:10):
people don't have the ability to have somebody hold space
and let them download without getting into an argument about it.
And so there's no point in arguing about it because
you're above it, you're observing it. So it's just like,
just like you're talking about, what he's like, is that
(08:32):
he's above it, so he doesn't have to argue about it,
but he can hold space.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, he does.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Because it works for you.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Sometimes I've got to have the download and I've got
to get it out, you know me, Right, I definitely
have to. That is a part of me too, if
this needs, yes to get it out.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
But you're processing it not only in this lifetime, but
you're processing all of the lifetime simultaneously. So that's why
the processing is so important. And you can process quicker,
better and faster when you stay objective and stay out
of the mob. Psychology and the chaos makes sense to me.
(09:16):
Wrap that up. So let's go into the new moon.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay, wait, is it an a new moon or full
moo mo? See that? Okay, those three words together scare
the funk out of me. Aries full moon? I'm like, what.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Were your aries? Karmas moon? You know? The meeting behind
this full moon is applying intuition in an action plan,
and that's what areas.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Is all about.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Instincts. They follow instincts more than they follow what's happening
in front of them or the actions or whatever's going on,
and that's what there should do. That when areas become
need counseling, it's because they're being sucked into the drama
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of physical realities and they're not following their intuition, which
is an instincts which operate in the moment. So their
job is to stay in the moment. So isn't that
what we're talking about when we're talking about this whole
psychology and social psychology is stay in the moment, follow
(10:40):
the instincts, stay above it, and don't get sucked into it.
And so we've got to learn how to develop the
analysis behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Okay, So that's the fact.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Gathering mission of this full moon. And then when we
have our facts, then when we understand and we're settled,
then we can fight for our beliefs if necessary.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
That feels very aries, because an aries isn't going to
just sit back and take it or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That is the And look look at what we're waging
war against liars and traders.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not laughing. I'm only laughing because
it's just if people try to tell me, ever, oh, astrology,
like you're not in I'm like, okay, it is literally
mapping this all out. This crazy chaos that you think
is so unpredictable is actually written in this map if
(11:44):
you just wanted to follow.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It, or you could read my book, or you.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Could read your book. There you go. Okay, So we're
waging war against liars and traders. Yes, it feel like
we've been building towards that already.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So you're keeping your own counsel. See, that's the important
part of all of this full moon. Keep your own
council instead of being a team player.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Well that's aries too.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
A team player would make you put you on a
competitive side, wouldn't it. Yeah, you don't want to be
on a competitive side. You just worried about a team player.
You've got your own counsel, your own intuition, your own instincts,
and that's what this area's full mood is about. Now.
The energy patterns is staying grounded in emotional conditions. And
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this is the thing is pace. As Saturn goes back
into Pisces, this is the test of severance. This is
the last sign in the zodiac. And when Saturn, the
disciplinarian or the establishment of reality is learning how to
just let go and turn it over to God or
(13:03):
the universe or whatever you want to call it. So
we're all in a letting go pattern right now. And
Saturn is a thirty year cycle basically, So you're letting
go of thirty years of your life right now.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's a lot. We're a lot like well, it's a
lot of unlearning to do well.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
For you, it's it's the basic adulthood of your life.
For me, it was my midlife crisis. Yeah, so you're
letting go of thirty years now, and so it's you
need you identify too personally with others troubles Now, this
is just what we're talking about. What we talked about earlier.
(13:48):
Stop identifying with the troubles. Either holds face, but don't
get involved in their shadow and their conflict. So you
don't identify with it. You don't identify with a lot
of the problems that people talk to you about. I
mean they come to me because I totally don't identify
(14:10):
with it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well, you can hold space and not identify, like you said.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yes, and so it's the need to let go of
the past. That's where we're at. That's what this airs
moon is. And of course you know, a good areas
don't get caught up in the past because.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
It's always moving forward.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, and so that's the beauty of this ares full
moon is let go, let God. And of course you
know I loved looking at not just planets, I like
looking at the asteroids as well. You know, Austraya is
a very powerful what do you call her a Well,
(14:50):
she was the last goddess okay to leave the earth
and take her position in the heavens. With all the
other gods left in mythology, Austraya held on to the
very last. So it was the time of moving for imanity,
moving out of the Golden Age to the Iron Age
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and all the corruption that the Iron Age brought in.
So Austraya finally in a huff because she realized she
wasn't going to turn humanity around back to the Golden Age,
so she left and she her took her place in
the heavens. So, in other words, Astraya is always about
(15:32):
hanging on too long and looking for It's that struggle
to be living up to the cosmic truth versus being
pulled down into earthly imperfections. So when she couldn't stay
in that cosmic universe, she had to leave the imperfections
of humanity to itself. And so this is where we're
(15:56):
at because Austraya is squaring Venus in this chart. So
we all have got to look at any kind of
imperfections and accept the imperfections and fallacy of humanity and
deal with it from a place of letting it go.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Isn't this like integrating your shadow? Isn't this like integrating
your shadow like we were talking to us.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, it certainly is. And then Astraea is also squaring Saturn,
which means your vision of fairness must include forgiveness, of
compassion and the acceptance of human frailty. And see Austraya
had a hard time with that. She couldn't do it
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when she was, you know, the goddess over the Golden
Age and man moved into the Iron Age. She had
a hard time with accepting the frailty of the human drama.
And of course the big one for this full moon
is Pluto squares Mercury.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, what I wrote, he wrote, he wrote in bold, secret, secret, secrets, lies,
lies and more lies.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Okay, And it's mercury. So it's going to be about business, communications, travel, trauma, transportations,
intelligence and spy, communities, politics, and personal relationships. All of
those are going to be brought to bear with mercury
(17:44):
because mercury is what Mercury is, the connection between it's
the healer, but it's also the connection between the drama
and the higher level of awareness.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I just thought mercury, Mercury was about communication.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It is communications, travel, Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So communications, there's just one part of it, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yes, So it's communicats also brothers and sisters in short
journeys and early education and those type of things. So
when you're talking about mercury, which is the caduceis symbol,
it's the healer, it's because this is how we as
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frail humans can connect to our higher self is through mercury,
and that's how we can heal. So at this point
we have discovered quantum healing and quantum physics. So in
other words, that's part of the transition, and that's what
Pluto's bringing up as well, is bringing up the shadow
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issues to see the lies, the deceit, the secrets, the
shadows that we all hold, and it's exposing them into
so that we can take them into our bodies, so
that now we can heal the body by moving into
(19:15):
the quantum realm and losing our sense of individual identity
and allowing the universe of perfection to heal us when
we're in that space. How beautiful is that?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, it is beautiful. It still sounds like a
lot of just letting go.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well it is, yeah, But now it's not just a
letting go from a conscious perspective. It's letting go of
an identity. And that's the big piece of it. You see,
we all identify with our shadows, with all of our stuff,
the lies we tell ourselves, the belief systems that we
(19:56):
believe and live in, all of these aren't true. I
mean when you start studying those higher realms, there are
no belief systems. I mean, you're in universal consciousness, there's
no belief. It's creation. You create whatever you believe. Think
(20:17):
about that. I told somebody here, a client here, about
a month ago, I said, go away your beliefs. There
are no beliefs. They're just lies. But you look like
I had two horns, So I.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Say, I think. Yeah. Like a way that I say
it to people is, you know, programming is a big
word people use now, and I think we all come
into this world as these like fresh daisies with no
attachments to anything like what you're talking about, and then
it's almost like we get programmed to believe so many
things throughout our lifetime and our childhood. And then if
(20:53):
you're lucky enough, I think you get to a certain
age where you go, wait a second, do I believe that?
And you start asking the questions, or some people do
it their entire lives. But that's what I think you're saying,
is like these beliefs, these things, they're just things we
attached to as some you know, basically some narrative that
another human usually makes up, and we believe it to
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be so true, and we attach all of these like
all this weight to it. So then when it doesn't
work out the way we think, we either go back
into control or we crumble. And it's just like there's
no space for allowing and allowing for the creation like
you're talking about, or for the universe to do its
work as we wanted it to when we first came
to this world. And so just like learning to not
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attach to all this it's like attaching to good and
bad like we don't know. You don't know all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I mean, you know, people if people sometimes get rid
of one belief and move them to another belief, So
we can jump from beliefs to beliefs, to beliefs to
beliefs until we're face falls off.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, I mean it's hard not to because that's kind
of what we're taught to do.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
And this is what we talked about last. It's about
breaking up your routines. Yeah, switching up things that you
do every single day routinely, because it's Vergo, it's habits
and routines, and so I mean we're under that guise
of that Virgo eclipse. So I mean, you know, we
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need to break up all the routines bring up all
the beliefs that you keep following and don't even realize
you're following them. Yeah, and then that gives a opportunity
for spirit to slip in and give you a little guidance.
So when we go into the Lieb New Moon on
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the twenty first of October, that's unbelievable. Striving to reach
an entirely new level of consciousness. Is that not exactly
what we've been talking about. Yeah, Free oneself from the
psychological assumptions of the dominant society, like a snake shedding
(23:05):
its skin. Want a metaphor, and that's rising and looking
down on society from the way we've been getting involved
in the physticus of it. Shed the skin of society,
shed the skin of the mob psychology, the arguments, the frustrations,
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the shadows of everybody. And that's how you're going to
see through the delusions and the impatient demand for radical
restructuring of society, which is exactly what we've got to
go through. We need to go through this. It's ugly
because we hate the immorality of the leadership that's doing it,
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But who was going to do it? It took an
immoral person to get its shit started.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, it's like anything, right, we always on this podcast,
but we don't change without pain. I don't believe as humans.
And that's why you hear, you know, with addiction based
models or anything like, you have to hit rock bottom
before anything is probably going to change or you're gonna
do something different. And I think that's what we're seeing
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right now. But to your point of needing to let
go of the like mob mentality, I think people are
so tired of the fighting, like even though it's still happening.
I am seeing a lot of narrative around that as
well of people just being like, oh my god, can
we stop for a second, Like it's exhausting, you know,
(24:39):
and I think so many of us have been feeling
that for so long. And also we're seeing like it
wasn't really necess it's not necessarily good anywhere we look
in our leadership right now, and so you can kind
of like go, Okay, well we have to restructure. We're
like we needed this all to hit the fan the
(25:00):
way it is. I think we needed it to get
as bad as it was or is to then go,
how are we going to rebuild it? And how do
we stop turning on each other because our only option
right now is to stop that. And I think that
is slowly but surely, is starting to become more of
the narrative.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Well, I don't think that we even need to get
into how we're going to rebuild it.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
We're not there yet.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
We're not there, and so you're projecting into your idea
of what it could be, right, which is a belief,
So we can't project Pluto is change with pain. That's
the point of Pluto. It's spent six months underground and
(25:45):
six months above ground. So when it brings up above ground,
all of the underground shadow issues now become fully aware of.
It brings it up. You can't eye in Pluto because
it's going to expose it. So it exposes all of that,
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and so we're being exposed to the collective and the
social structure that we built for two hundred and forty years.
That was the wrong way of humanity. And we're going
to see spasticarian age comes in. So we have an
insight into the aquarian age that we can discuss if
(26:31):
you're on equal footing with somebody, but you're not going
to debate how it's going to be because it's going
to be greater than you know, right, And so seeing
through the collective delusions, impatient demand for a radical restructuring
of society. So yeah, we're all impatient. We all wanted
(26:53):
it over with yesterday.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
We all want instant gratification in a quick fix.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Boomers. Oh yeah, most certainly. This is why it's a
greater sproblem front Boomers. I mean, you know, we're the
ones that discovered instant gratification, credit cards, black and white
TV turned the color. Oh I want it, right, and
(27:22):
I want it now, even if I can't afford it,
Give me a credit card.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Right, And it's only gotten worse.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yes, And so we have to learn that we attract
relationships as a mirror of who we are internally to
correct the belief of lack and disharmony in ourselves. So,
in other words, when we look at society, is this
disharmony and this psychology, Well, it's in us. We've participated
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in before. It resides in us.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's just like I've always tell clients, Look, you can't
see it in somebody else unless it's in you to see.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
You spot it. You got it.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And so when we're bantering about the social problems and all, well,
those problems rely on us, and we're not to fix it.
It's not ours to fix that's the problem. And that's
how you come up with a belief and an attitude
and a perspective. That's an error. There's something to fix.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
What is it? Then to stop participating?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It's not necessarily stop participating, is it? In You have
to understand that it's a reflection that you can find
inside of you and make the correction insight of you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I want to break this down for just a little
bit because when I first started hearing you talk about
the mirror thing, I was confused because we were talking
about it in relation to dating, for instance, and I
think you can apply that to this bigger scale thing too.
But whenever I first heard the mirror kind of example
(29:15):
or whatever you call that analogy, it was that I thought,
let's say you were saying, well, this emotionally unavailable person
that you're dating is reflecting all that back to you
or whatever. So I thought to myself, well, I'm not
an asshole like he is, or I'm not like I
would say comparing you know what I mean, Like I
would just compare the qualities that I was not working
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well with, and think, how is the mirror thing? True?
We're nothing alike, But what was actually being mirrored to
me was that the way that person was treating me
was actually how I was treating myself too, And there
wasn't a higher belief system that I deserved to be
treated any differently because it was how I would treat
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myself on the day to day. Like he wasn't available
to me, Well was I available to myself? No? And
those were the things that I learned. And so I
think I think of that in this place when you're
talking about it here, because I think we all want
to go, I'm not like that, I'm nothing like that,
But like, what in their behavior is it showing you
(30:21):
about you? And especially if you're triggered or reactive or
all this stuff, Like it's definitely mirroring something to you
to learn about yourself. And that always helps me that
like break down a little bit, just so you're not
totally going, oh, well, I'm exactly like that person's of
this analogy doesn't make any sense for me. That's not
what this is.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Look, libra is relationships externally physically, right, Yes, it's also
the divine relationship, the relation trip between your soul and
your ego, and so how much do you object or
what you would just saying saying, how much do you
(31:02):
reject the soul just like you reject the physical? Right,
So you know, I would say to you that, you know,
be careful calling him an asshole, because then you got
to say, where am I an asshole? And you may
not be an asshole in that physical relationship, but you
could be an asshole to your soul.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Well that's what I was saying. I was being an
asshole to my soul. It was like I wasn't even
ever acknowledging that I had a soul. Do you know
what I mean? Talk about abandonment. There was so much
self abandonment happening.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Right well, but that's why we're down here, so we
can discover that abandonment, right and discover those conflicts. And
so we're always looking at the disharmony in ourselves, even
from a social standpoint. So we've got to learn social
equality and learn to listen to others to establish their
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needs from their reality as it exists for them, not
from ours. And that's how you just hold the space
for other people because that's their belief. So the energy
pattern for this Libri new moon is actually a T square, okay,
which is a Pluto squares to new moon and Jupiter
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squares the new moon as they're in opposition to each other. Now,
Jupiter is about expansion, Pluto is about bringing stuff to
the forefront and transformation. Okay, So we've got to learn
the release point is in a T square is the
open ends like a three legged table. So the leg
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that's missing is called the release point, which is Capricorn.
So it's suggesting the way forward is through structure, discipline, responsibility,
and boundaries.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Capricorn.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That okay, And so it's time to release unhealthy patterns
of control and dependency okay. And of course the emotional
growth is Jupiter pushes for expansion, Pluto requires deep transformation first.
So there it is. That's the bottom line. We want
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to expand as a society, as a culture, as a country,
as a people, but we've got to go through the
transformational process to get to where we want to go.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
It's so hard when you're in that or when it's
coming up like it's in front of you, to go okay, yeah,
let me sign up for that. You know that sounds
so fun. Yeah, but I will say when I have
gone through Pluto transits in other areas of my life
now what I'm seeing on the other side of it,
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I know there is no way that I could have
gotten to where I am now without having to go
down in and excavate basically and like clean out all
the things that were unnecessary or misaligned and all of
that stuff. And when you're obviously, when you're sitting on
the other side of it, it's much easier to go, oh, yeah,
that was so worth it. But it is truly and
(34:22):
it's something that can't be sidestepped, which I think is
what we've been trying to do the last couple of years.
And now it's like, yeah, no, that was cute, guys,
but the only way out is through.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
See, that's why we call Pluto heaven and Hell.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yes that Hell is.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
The de evolutionary process and Heaven is the evolutionary process.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Makes so much sense.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
We've got to get to that midpoint to now go
into an evolutionary process. So we're still in a de
evolutionary process and it is painful. You're letting go, but
that's it's painful because you never forget pain. Ever, so
a lesson comes with pain, you never forget.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
See, Uranus is the planet that change without pain. You
don't have any pain with Uranus. It's just a sudden,
unexpected change.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Okay, So it's Pluto.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
You're just breaking free from a reality that you're constructed
that no longer serves you. And so that's pretty simple.
But when you come to a Pluto, I mean you're
attacking stuff that you didn't even know you had. Yeah,
problems that you were holding inside that you didn't even
know it was there.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
They're coming to your awareness too. Yes, with Pluto moving
into Aquarius, would it be helpful for people to go
look at the house they have Aquarius in and kind
of look at the themes there.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, I mean that's where you are on the cutting
edge of of moving forward. So I mean, you know
it's uh, you know, it just gives you more information. Yes, yeah,
because that's where they've got to change to get in
alignment with where we're all headed. That's the place they're
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going to have to go through the greater greatest amount
of uh DE evolution and evolution.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Of course, Mon's in the tenth house, so I'm like
oh Jesus could God, And you.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Know what I've told you already know. I know.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
For anyone listening that doesn't know, Tenthius is your public
facing house and your career and all of that. So
I just want to stay in writing.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah right, you got no shot none?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Fine? Oh God. Well there there's a lot going on
as usual. But I like the way you presented it
this month because just as it's it's a necessary path
and like we're not going to be able to sidestep it,
like we said, we have to just walk through it.
I think that maybe we're getting into a little more
acceptance of that, or some of the people that I've
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seen are, because it's been going on for so long now,
and I think it's only gotten deeper, and it's not
just gonna snap our It's not a thing where we
snap our fingers. And this goes back to quote unquote normal,
which you've been saying for years.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well, you know, I'm a big TikTok. I know. It
is so astounding to me how many people are coming
on that's channelers, that's intuitives, that's aware of physics and
the quantum reality. I'm just blown away by it. So
(37:52):
it's so many people are rising in consciousness to take
on to these aquariums truths. So it's happening already. Yeah,
we're all raising the level of consciousness and it's it's silent.
You don't know what's occurring, but it is occurring.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Oh, I agree. I mean, even though, like I know,
pop astrology isn't like your favorite, but even the fact
that like that kind of stuff is so openly talked
about and discussed now on such a universal level. I mean,
even if you don't believe in astrology, I don't think
you can escape astrology right now.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
It's out there, you know, so well, guess who rules astrology?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, I mean, well it is front.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And that's that's the way it is for me.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, I'm an astrologer all my life and have to
move between the cracks to not be seen. And now
all of a sudden, everywhere every totally accepted. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
So true. Yeah, you were like the weird back in
the day, and now it's like the norm.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
So interesting.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
When people ask me what I am, I just I
I'm a Master's follower. Yeah, they don't even flinch anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
No, I'm sure back in the day they were like,
oh okay, I'm over.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Could you imagine in corporate America you had to be
a slinky?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Oh yeah, I mean I remember when he met feeling like,
oh no, I've never had this son. This is so
exciting and interesting and new and out of the box.
And that was in my twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen.
Must have been twenty eighteen, because that's when this podcast started.
But yeah, it's come a long way. So anyway, if
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someone wants to do a reading with you personally, where
would they find you?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Marv Marvin at astromarv dot com.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
As always, I always put that in the description of
this podcast where you guys also put Marv's website if
you want to go check that out. He also does
hypnosis if that is something you are interested in. It's
a great another form of healing modality. So go check
all of that out and we'll be back next month
for Scorpio season. I guess, is that right? Yeah, Scorpio season.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Fun.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, you never know what scorpio season will bring.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh boy, okay, well that's interesting. Let's just enjoy this
lever energy while we can.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, I just leave it till next month.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Okay, okay, all right, thanks mar for being here, and
thank you guys so much for listening.
Well, we were just talking about the pendulum of Karma
before this. It was just a light little chat we had, right, Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah, really it was light.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, I mean for us, it kind of was. But yeah,
it's the Libra Libra new moon. You know. I really
got to tell you, I typically really like the energy
of Libra season. And maybe it's because I'm a Libra stallium.
I don't know if that's how it works or not,
but I do feel like this time of year. I
don't know if it's like everything just feels a little
(00:44):
more balanced to me, the fall energy coming in feels
nice and we're ready for it after a hot summer. Like,
I don't know what it is, but I genuinely always
love Libra season. Do you feel that way or is
that just me?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Don't you have a Taurus? Right?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah? Oh yeah, So I'm all about Venus.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's peaceful, it's Venus.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, it's Venus. Okay. So Venus is the ruling planet
for Taurus and Libra. So that's like basically my whole chart.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Okay, interesting, Well, but for for Taurus it's all about
values and enjoy and pleasure, and for Labor it's all
about relationships, right, but Libra is much more cardinal, which
means it's much more assertive on getting the relationship at once.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
And they act peaceful.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Right, Libra is a little deceiving that way.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
But that's a fricking lie too, right.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yeah, Libra likes to appear very peaceful and.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Price and as soon as you turn your back, buddy,
the sword comes out.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Yeah. I've noticed that. That's interesting that you brought that
up because I have typically thought in the past Libra
is like such a gentle energy, and I'm like, oh no,
it's not. Yeah, yeah, okay, Well let's talk about there's
I was reading your outline and I love this new
way that you're doing it where there's all the different
energy patterns happening. But let's first start with what's happening with.
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We had a Virgo eclipse, we have a new moon
coming in, and.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Again, how did you do with that Virgo eclipse?
Speaker 1 (02:22):
It rocks me a little bit, not gonna lie, it
rocked me, like I can't tell if it was the
Pisces eclipse or the Virgo or just the combination of
all the things. But the last now it's been three
and a half weeks, it's just been wild. There's just
feels like that thing of where there's one thing after another.
(02:43):
I have sustained myself, but it's just definitely there's been
a lot of chance for the up and down emotional
kind of volatility around me.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And that's what I said last month when I was
talking about that virgo of eclipse is recognize it wordly
conditions are unstable. Yeah, and the importance in finding and
maintaining one's own inner footing and purpose and maintain the
focus in the midst of chaos. See, that's one of
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the hardest things. Do you realize you cannot defeat mass
consciousness or mob consciousness. I'm sorry, if you allow yourself
to get into a crowd that gets into mob consciousness,
you cannot defeat that energy because it overtakes you. Think
of that.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
No, it makes sense.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
And so this is what we're all trying to do
for the next six months since that was an eclipse,
is stay out of the mob consciousness.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
God, every time we do these podcasts, it's so fascinating
to me to connect it to what's happening universally or
out in the collective. And obviously, I think after we
did our last podcast, Marv and you talked about the
stuff coming in all the stuff happened with Charlie Kirk
being assassinated, and what's been so interesting for me about
(04:07):
that it was obviously a very sad experience. No matter
what side of the political scale you stand on. I
think we all can agree that shouldn't be happening in
our world, but it is, unfortunately, And what I'm starting
to see collectively is that everyone's getting fed up. I
think it's started very heavily with like, well, this was
(04:28):
the right and this was the left, and now as
a little bit of time is going by, I'm seeing
more people kind of go, wait a second, this is
a bigger issue that we have on a whole, and
we're starting to maybe not buy in all the way
to we have to be this side or you have
to be that side. And it's been so lovely to
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me to see even a small little bit of that
start to come into the narrative.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
You know, I had a dream and what I was
shown in the dream is I was voting above the
clouds and it says this is where you need to
assend to accept what's going on in the ground. And
it showed me the capital of the United States and
looked down on it, and it said, that's how you
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deal with it. You look down as an observer of what's.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Going on instead of getting how man.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Rise above and just look at it as an observer. Yeah,
we don't have to internalize it, we don't have to
argue it, we don't have to do any of that
because our job to move to a higher level of
consciousness is just to be above it and look down
(05:46):
on it. It's not that we're disconnecting. We're not disconnecting
by observing it and going through the process. So it's
again giving us an opportunity to rise to a higher
level of consciousness so we can just observe it without
getting emotionally caught up.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Yes, Like, I have to give my boyfriend this credit.
He's an Aquarius, so I think you'll appreciate this. But
he's always operated that way with politics, and so he'll
watch me kind of get you know, swirled up, and
I'm just like, oh, just so worked up and frustrated.
This was happening more back around when they're like, you.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Know, he smiles at you a lot too.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I don't know if he just smiles, he just kind
of is like.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Okay, if you don't see it, he's hiding it.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
I don't know if he's smiling. I think he just
kind of is like, Okay, Okay, there she goes. She's going,
she gone. But yeah, So I started last couple of
years feeling that way and just feeling like I think
a lot of people feel again, regardless of what side
you're on, I think we all are like how do
they not see this? You know, like we have that mentality.
(07:02):
And he helped me because he the way he would
say it is just like you know, I literally observe
people on both sides saying the exact same thing about
the other side, and so he's never been as much
of an emotionally attached person to one side or the
other as me, because he's like, both sides are fucked up.
So like we just need to observe like what you're saying,
(07:24):
which is a very Aquarius like detached. Let's just think
about on the whole, like the collective here and not
necessarily giving so much energy to every single news article
that comes out that's trying to do exactly what it's
doing and get you fired.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't waste my energy on trying
to get involved in that.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I've stopped now.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
No, I mean I'm people interested just like you. Yeah,
I know you're people interest And when you're interested in people,
it's just a matter of either holding space for them
to download or just listening and understanding that they're processing
as you're holding the space for them. Because so many
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people don't have the ability to have somebody hold space
and let them download without getting into an argument about it.
And so there's no point in arguing about it because
you're above it, you're observing it. So it's just like,
just like you're talking about, what he's like, is that
(08:32):
he's above it, so he doesn't have to argue about it,
but he can hold space.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Yeah, he does.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Because it works for you.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Sometimes I've got to have the download and I've got
to get it out, you know me, Right, I definitely
have to. That is a part of me too, if
this needs, yes to get it out.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
But you're processing it not only in this lifetime, but
you're processing all of the lifetime simultaneously. So that's why
the processing is so important. And you can process quicker,
better and faster when you stay objective and stay out
of the mob. Psychology and the chaos makes sense to me.
(09:16):
Wrap that up. So let's go into the new moon.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Okay, wait, is it an a new moon or full
moo mo? See that? Okay, those three words together scare
the funk out of me. Aries full moon? I'm like, what.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Were your aries? Karmas moon? You know? The meeting behind
this full moon is applying intuition in an action plan,
and that's what areas.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Is all about.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Instincts. They follow instincts more than they follow what's happening
in front of them or the actions or whatever's going on,
and that's what there should do. That when areas become
need counseling, it's because they're being sucked into the drama
(10:17):
of physical realities and they're not following their intuition, which
is an instincts which operate in the moment. So their
job is to stay in the moment. So isn't that
what we're talking about when we're talking about this whole
psychology and social psychology is stay in the moment, follow
(10:40):
the instincts, stay above it, and don't get sucked into it.
And so we've got to learn how to develop the
analysis behind the scenes.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Okay, So that's the fact.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Gathering mission of this full moon. And then when we
have our facts, then when we understand and we're settled,
then we can fight for our beliefs if necessary.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
That feels very aries, because an aries isn't going to
just sit back and take it or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
That is the And look look at what we're waging
war against liars and traders.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, I mean, I'm not laughing. I'm only laughing because
it's just if people try to tell me, ever, oh, astrology,
like you're not in I'm like, okay, it is literally
mapping this all out. This crazy chaos that you think
is so unpredictable is actually written in this map if
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you just wanted to follow.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It, or you could read my book, or you.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Could read your book. There you go. Okay, So we're
waging war against liars and traders. Yes, it feel like
we've been building towards that already.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
So you're keeping your own counsel. See, that's the important
part of all of this full moon. Keep your own
council instead of being a team player.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Well that's aries too.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
A team player would make you put you on a
competitive side, wouldn't it. Yeah, you don't want to be
on a competitive side. You just worried about a team player.
You've got your own counsel, your own intuition, your own instincts,
and that's what this area's full mood is about. Now.
The energy patterns is staying grounded in emotional conditions. And
(12:40):
this is the thing is pace. As Saturn goes back
into Pisces, this is the test of severance. This is
the last sign in the zodiac. And when Saturn, the
disciplinarian or the establishment of reality is learning how to
just let go and turn it over to God or
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the universe or whatever you want to call it. So
we're all in a letting go pattern right now. And
Saturn is a thirty year cycle basically, So you're letting
go of thirty years of your life right now.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's a lot. We're a lot like well, it's a
lot of unlearning to do well.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
For you, it's it's the basic adulthood of your life.
For me, it was my midlife crisis. Yeah, so you're
letting go of thirty years now, and so it's you
need you identify too personally with others troubles Now, this
is just what we're talking about. What we talked about earlier.
(13:48):
Stop identifying with the troubles. Either holds face, but don't
get involved in their shadow and their conflict. So you
don't identify with it. You don't identify with a lot
of the problems that people talk to you about. I
mean they come to me because I totally don't identify
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with it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Well, you can hold space and not identify, like you said.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Yes, and so it's the need to let go of
the past. That's where we're at. That's what this airs
moon is. And of course you know, a good areas
don't get caught up in the past because.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
It's always moving forward.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, and so that's the beauty of this ares full
moon is let go, let God. And of course you
know I loved looking at not just planets, I like
looking at the asteroids as well. You know, Austraya is
a very powerful what do you call her a Well,
(14:50):
she was the last goddess okay to leave the earth
and take her position in the heavens. With all the
other gods left in mythology, Austraya held on to the
very last. So it was the time of moving for imanity,
moving out of the Golden Age to the Iron Age
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and all the corruption that the Iron Age brought in.
So Austraya finally in a huff because she realized she
wasn't going to turn humanity around back to the Golden Age,
so she left and she her took her place in
the heavens. So, in other words, Astraya is always about
(15:32):
hanging on too long and looking for It's that struggle
to be living up to the cosmic truth versus being
pulled down into earthly imperfections. So when she couldn't stay
in that cosmic universe, she had to leave the imperfections
of humanity to itself. And so this is where we're
(15:56):
at because Austraya is squaring Venus in this chart. So
we all have got to look at any kind of
imperfections and accept the imperfections and fallacy of humanity and
deal with it from a place of letting it go.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Isn't this like integrating your shadow? Isn't this like integrating
your shadow like we were talking to us.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, it certainly is. And then Astraea is also squaring Saturn,
which means your vision of fairness must include forgiveness, of
compassion and the acceptance of human frailty. And see Austraya
had a hard time with that. She couldn't do it
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when she was, you know, the goddess over the Golden
Age and man moved into the Iron Age. She had
a hard time with accepting the frailty of the human drama.
And of course the big one for this full moon
is Pluto squares Mercury.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Yeah, what I wrote, he wrote, he wrote in bold, secret, secret, secrets, lies,
lies and more lies.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Okay, And it's mercury. So it's going to be about business, communications, travel, trauma, transportations,
intelligence and spy, communities, politics, and personal relationships. All of
those are going to be brought to bear with mercury
(17:44):
because mercury is what Mercury is, the connection between it's
the healer, but it's also the connection between the drama
and the higher level of awareness.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I just thought mercury, Mercury was about communication.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
It is communications, travel, Okay.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So communications, there's just one part of it, okay.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yes, So it's communicats also brothers and sisters in short
journeys and early education and those type of things. So
when you're talking about mercury, which is the caduceis symbol,
it's the healer, it's because this is how we as
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frail humans can connect to our higher self is through mercury,
and that's how we can heal. So at this point
we have discovered quantum healing and quantum physics. So in
other words, that's part of the transition, and that's what
Pluto's bringing up as well, is bringing up the shadow
(18:54):
issues to see the lies, the deceit, the secrets, the
shadows that we all hold, and it's exposing them into
so that we can take them into our bodies, so
that now we can heal the body by moving into
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the quantum realm and losing our sense of individual identity
and allowing the universe of perfection to heal us when
we're in that space. How beautiful is that?
Speaker 1 (19:31):
I mean, it is beautiful. It still sounds like a
lot of just letting go.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Well it is, yeah, But now it's not just a
letting go from a conscious perspective. It's letting go of
an identity. And that's the big piece of it. You see,
we all identify with our shadows, with all of our stuff,
the lies we tell ourselves, the belief systems that we
(19:56):
believe and live in, all of these aren't true. I
mean when you start studying those higher realms, there are
no belief systems. I mean, you're in universal consciousness, there's
no belief. It's creation. You create whatever you believe. Think
(20:17):
about that. I told somebody here, a client here, about
a month ago, I said, go away your beliefs. There
are no beliefs. They're just lies. But you look like
I had two horns, So I.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Say, I think. Yeah. Like a way that I say
it to people is, you know, programming is a big
word people use now, and I think we all come
into this world as these like fresh daisies with no
attachments to anything like what you're talking about, and then
it's almost like we get programmed to believe so many
things throughout our lifetime and our childhood. And then if
(20:53):
you're lucky enough, I think you get to a certain
age where you go, wait a second, do I believe that?
And you start asking the questions, or some people do
it their entire lives. But that's what I think you're saying,
is like these beliefs, these things, they're just things we
attached to as some you know, basically some narrative that
another human usually makes up, and we believe it to
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be so true, and we attach all of these like
all this weight to it. So then when it doesn't
work out the way we think, we either go back
into control or we crumble. And it's just like there's
no space for allowing and allowing for the creation like
you're talking about, or for the universe to do its
work as we wanted it to when we first came
to this world. And so just like learning to not
(21:36):
attach to all this it's like attaching to good and
bad like we don't know. You don't know all the time.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I mean, you know, people if people sometimes get rid
of one belief and move them to another belief, So
we can jump from beliefs to beliefs, to beliefs to
beliefs until we're face falls off.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, I mean it's hard not to because that's kind
of what we're taught to do.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
And this is what we talked about last. It's about
breaking up your routines. Yeah, switching up things that you
do every single day routinely, because it's Vergo, it's habits
and routines, and so I mean we're under that guise
of that Virgo eclipse. So I mean, you know, we
(22:20):
need to break up all the routines bring up all
the beliefs that you keep following and don't even realize
you're following them. Yeah, and then that gives a opportunity
for spirit to slip in and give you a little guidance.
So when we go into the Lieb New Moon on
(22:41):
the twenty first of October, that's unbelievable. Striving to reach
an entirely new level of consciousness. Is that not exactly
what we've been talking about. Yeah, Free oneself from the
psychological assumptions of the dominant society, like a snake shedding
(23:05):
its skin. Want a metaphor, and that's rising and looking
down on society from the way we've been getting involved
in the physticus of it. Shed the skin of society,
shed the skin of the mob psychology, the arguments, the frustrations,
(23:28):
the shadows of everybody. And that's how you're going to
see through the delusions and the impatient demand for radical
restructuring of society, which is exactly what we've got to
go through. We need to go through this. It's ugly
because we hate the immorality of the leadership that's doing it,
(23:50):
But who was going to do it? It took an
immoral person to get its shit started.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, it's like anything, right, we always on this podcast,
but we don't change without pain. I don't believe as humans.
And that's why you hear, you know, with addiction based
models or anything like, you have to hit rock bottom
before anything is probably going to change or you're gonna
do something different. And I think that's what we're seeing
(24:18):
right now. But to your point of needing to let
go of the like mob mentality, I think people are
so tired of the fighting, like even though it's still happening.
I am seeing a lot of narrative around that as
well of people just being like, oh my god, can
we stop for a second, Like it's exhausting, you know,
(24:39):
and I think so many of us have been feeling
that for so long. And also we're seeing like it
wasn't really necess it's not necessarily good anywhere we look
in our leadership right now, and so you can kind
of like go, Okay, well we have to restructure. We're
like we needed this all to hit the fan the
(25:00):
way it is. I think we needed it to get
as bad as it was or is to then go,
how are we going to rebuild it? And how do
we stop turning on each other because our only option
right now is to stop that. And I think that
is slowly but surely, is starting to become more of
the narrative.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Well, I don't think that we even need to get
into how we're going to rebuild it.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
We're not there yet.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
We're not there, and so you're projecting into your idea
of what it could be, right, which is a belief,
So we can't project Pluto is change with pain. That's
the point of Pluto. It's spent six months underground and
(25:45):
six months above ground. So when it brings up above ground,
all of the underground shadow issues now become fully aware of.
It brings it up. You can't eye in Pluto because
it's going to expose it. So it exposes all of that,
(26:06):
and so we're being exposed to the collective and the
social structure that we built for two hundred and forty years.
That was the wrong way of humanity. And we're going
to see spasticarian age comes in. So we have an
insight into the aquarian age that we can discuss if
(26:31):
you're on equal footing with somebody, but you're not going
to debate how it's going to be because it's going
to be greater than you know, right, And so seeing
through the collective delusions, impatient demand for a radical restructuring
of society. So yeah, we're all impatient. We all wanted
(26:53):
it over with yesterday.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
We all want instant gratification in a quick fix.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Boomers. Oh yeah, most certainly. This is why it's a
greater sproblem front Boomers. I mean, you know, we're the
ones that discovered instant gratification, credit cards, black and white
TV turned the color. Oh I want it, right, and
(27:22):
I want it now, even if I can't afford it,
Give me a credit card.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Right, And it's only gotten worse.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yes, And so we have to learn that we attract
relationships as a mirror of who we are internally to
correct the belief of lack and disharmony in ourselves. So,
in other words, when we look at society, is this
disharmony and this psychology, Well, it's in us. We've participated
(27:55):
in before. It resides in us.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
You know.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's just like I've always tell clients, Look, you can't
see it in somebody else unless it's in you to see.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
You spot it. You got it.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
And so when we're bantering about the social problems and all, well,
those problems rely on us, and we're not to fix it.
It's not ours to fix that's the problem. And that's
how you come up with a belief and an attitude
and a perspective. That's an error. There's something to fix.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
What is it? Then to stop participating?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
It's not necessarily stop participating, is it? In You have
to understand that it's a reflection that you can find
inside of you and make the correction insight of you.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
I want to break this down for just a little
bit because when I first started hearing you talk about
the mirror thing, I was confused because we were talking
about it in relation to dating, for instance, and I
think you can apply that to this bigger scale thing too.
But whenever I first heard the mirror kind of example
(29:15):
or whatever you call that analogy, it was that I thought,
let's say you were saying, well, this emotionally unavailable person
that you're dating is reflecting all that back to you
or whatever. So I thought to myself, well, I'm not
an asshole like he is, or I'm not like I
would say comparing you know what I mean, Like I
would just compare the qualities that I was not working
(29:39):
well with, and think, how is the mirror thing? True?
We're nothing alike, But what was actually being mirrored to
me was that the way that person was treating me
was actually how I was treating myself too, And there
wasn't a higher belief system that I deserved to be
treated any differently because it was how I would treat
(30:00):
myself on the day to day. Like he wasn't available
to me, Well was I available to myself? No? And
those were the things that I learned. And so I
think I think of that in this place when you're
talking about it here, because I think we all want
to go, I'm not like that, I'm nothing like that,
But like, what in their behavior is it showing you
(30:21):
about you? And especially if you're triggered or reactive or
all this stuff, Like it's definitely mirroring something to you
to learn about yourself. And that always helps me that
like break down a little bit, just so you're not
totally going, oh, well, I'm exactly like that person's of
this analogy doesn't make any sense for me. That's not
what this is.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Look, libra is relationships externally physically, right, Yes, it's also
the divine relationship, the relation trip between your soul and
your ego, and so how much do you object or
what you would just saying saying, how much do you
(31:02):
reject the soul just like you reject the physical? Right,
So you know, I would say to you that, you know,
be careful calling him an asshole, because then you got
to say, where am I an asshole? And you may
not be an asshole in that physical relationship, but you
could be an asshole to your soul.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Well that's what I was saying. I was being an
asshole to my soul. It was like I wasn't even
ever acknowledging that I had a soul. Do you know
what I mean? Talk about abandonment. There was so much
self abandonment happening.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Right well, but that's why we're down here, so we
can discover that abandonment, right and discover those conflicts. And
so we're always looking at the disharmony in ourselves, even
from a social standpoint. So we've got to learn social
equality and learn to listen to others to establish their
(31:57):
needs from their reality as it exists for them, not
from ours. And that's how you just hold the space
for other people because that's their belief. So the energy
pattern for this Libri new moon is actually a T square, okay,
which is a Pluto squares to new moon and Jupiter
(32:22):
squares the new moon as they're in opposition to each other. Now,
Jupiter is about expansion, Pluto is about bringing stuff to
the forefront and transformation. Okay, So we've got to learn
the release point is in a T square is the
open ends like a three legged table. So the leg
(32:46):
that's missing is called the release point, which is Capricorn.
So it's suggesting the way forward is through structure, discipline, responsibility,
and boundaries.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Capricorn.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
That okay, And so it's time to release unhealthy patterns
of control and dependency okay. And of course the emotional
growth is Jupiter pushes for expansion, Pluto requires deep transformation first.
So there it is. That's the bottom line. We want
(33:26):
to expand as a society, as a culture, as a country,
as a people, but we've got to go through the
transformational process to get to where we want to go.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
It's so hard when you're in that or when it's
coming up like it's in front of you, to go okay, yeah,
let me sign up for that. You know that sounds
so fun. Yeah, but I will say when I have
gone through Pluto transits in other areas of my life
now what I'm seeing on the other side of it,
(34:01):
I know there is no way that I could have
gotten to where I am now without having to go
down in and excavate basically and like clean out all
the things that were unnecessary or misaligned and all of
that stuff. And when you're obviously, when you're sitting on
the other side of it, it's much easier to go, oh, yeah,
that was so worth it. But it is truly and
(34:22):
it's something that can't be sidestepped, which I think is
what we've been trying to do the last couple of years.
And now it's like, yeah, no, that was cute, guys,
but the only way out is through.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
See, that's why we call Pluto heaven and Hell.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Yes that Hell is.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
The de evolutionary process and Heaven is the evolutionary process.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Makes so much sense.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
We've got to get to that midpoint to now go
into an evolutionary process. So we're still in a de
evolutionary process and it is painful. You're letting go, but
that's it's painful because you never forget pain. Ever, so
a lesson comes with pain, you never forget.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
See, Uranus is the planet that change without pain. You
don't have any pain with Uranus. It's just a sudden,
unexpected change.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Okay, So it's Pluto.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
You're just breaking free from a reality that you're constructed
that no longer serves you. And so that's pretty simple.
But when you come to a Pluto, I mean you're
attacking stuff that you didn't even know you had. Yeah,
problems that you were holding inside that you didn't even
know it was there.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
They're coming to your awareness too. Yes, with Pluto moving
into Aquarius, would it be helpful for people to go
look at the house they have Aquarius in and kind
of look at the themes there.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah, I mean that's where you are on the cutting
edge of of moving forward. So I mean, you know
it's uh, you know, it just gives you more information. Yes, yeah,
because that's where they've got to change to get in
alignment with where we're all headed. That's the place they're
(36:19):
going to have to go through the greater greatest amount
of uh DE evolution and evolution.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Of course, Mon's in the tenth house, so I'm like
oh Jesus could God, And you.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Know what I've told you already know. I know.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
For anyone listening that doesn't know, Tenthius is your public
facing house and your career and all of that. So
I just want to stay in writing.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Yeah right, you got no shot none?
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Fine? Oh God. Well there there's a lot going on
as usual. But I like the way you presented it
this month because just as it's it's a necessary path
and like we're not going to be able to sidestep it,
like we said, we have to just walk through it.
I think that maybe we're getting into a little more
acceptance of that, or some of the people that I've
(37:17):
seen are, because it's been going on for so long now,
and I think it's only gotten deeper, and it's not
just gonna snap our It's not a thing where we
snap our fingers. And this goes back to quote unquote normal,
which you've been saying for years.
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Well, you know, I'm a big TikTok. I know. It
is so astounding to me how many people are coming
on that's channelers, that's intuitives, that's aware of physics and
the quantum reality. I'm just blown away by it. So
(37:52):
it's so many people are rising in consciousness to take
on to these aquariums truths. So it's happening already. Yeah,
we're all raising the level of consciousness and it's it's silent.
You don't know what's occurring, but it is occurring.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
Oh, I agree. I mean, even though, like I know,
pop astrology isn't like your favorite, but even the fact
that like that kind of stuff is so openly talked
about and discussed now on such a universal level. I mean,
even if you don't believe in astrology, I don't think
you can escape astrology right now.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
It's out there, you know, so well, guess who rules astrology?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Yeah, I mean, well it is front.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
And that's that's the way it is for me.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Yeah, I'm an astrologer all my life and have to
move between the cracks to not be seen. And now
all of a sudden, everywhere every totally accepted. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
So true. Yeah, you were like the weird back in
the day, and now it's like the norm.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
So interesting.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
When people ask me what I am, I just I
I'm a Master's follower. Yeah, they don't even flinch anymore.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
No, I'm sure back in the day they were like,
oh okay, I'm over.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Could you imagine in corporate America you had to be
a slinky?
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Oh yeah, I mean I remember when he met feeling like,
oh no, I've never had this son. This is so
exciting and interesting and new and out of the box.
And that was in my twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen.
Must have been twenty eighteen, because that's when this podcast started.
But yeah, it's come a long way. So anyway, if
(39:42):
someone wants to do a reading with you personally, where
would they find you?
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Marv Marvin at astromarv dot com.
Speaker 1 (39:49):
As always, I always put that in the description of
this podcast where you guys also put Marv's website if
you want to go check that out. He also does
hypnosis if that is something you are interested in. It's
a great another form of healing modality. So go check
all of that out and we'll be back next month
for Scorpio season. I guess, is that right? Yeah, Scorpio season.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Fun.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah, you never know what scorpio season will bring.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh boy, okay, well that's interesting. Let's just enjoy this
lever energy while we can.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Yeah, I just leave it till next month.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Okay, okay, all right, thanks mar for being here, and
thank you guys so much for listening.
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