September 17, 2025 • 40 mins
Ever wondered what your face is saying before you even speak? Kelly sits down with Dr. Todd Frisch, coauthor of WTF? Why the Face, to explore the fascinating world of facial reading. Rooted in centuries of traditional Chinese medicine and backed by decades of clinical experience, Dr. Todd reveals how the lines, shapes, and markings on our faces can uncover hidden health issues, personality traits, and even help us strengthen relationships. Together they dive into how facial analysis can transform everything from patient care to dating, and why your face may be telling a deeper story than you realize.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Doctor Todd Frish is an author and speaker working in
the art of face reading. Over the last four decades,
doctor Todd has encouraged, motivated, and inspired hundreds of practitioners
in the healing arts, from medical doctors to energy healers,
chiropractors to nurses. Attendees of his workshops walk away with
new information they can start using Monday morning. Hi doctor Todd,
(00:35):
nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I've already read your face.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah you know what, you know my face probably more
than I do.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, I don't know about that. I'll take a good
swing at it.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
So I actually found you on Instagram. I was telling
you before the podcast, and I found your page so
fascinating because you read, you read people's faces. So you
will do these breakdowns of celebrity and you'll tell us
what certain lines mean, maybe what their life is going
to look like, what their life did look like in
(01:07):
the past. And it's just such an interesting way to
get someone's history or break down of their inside their
personality through just looking at their face. So I had
to have you do mine, which we talked about, and
you did, and I was telling you it was so
spot on, so much of it really describe my personality.
You even mentioned maybe some areas that I might struggle with,
(01:30):
like certain illnesses or certain things to look out for,
and all of that was just really helpful and interesting.
So now we're here, and I guess we should start
by telling people what is face reading?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, it kind of comes in the wool category for
a lot of right, and I get that, but really,
do we not all read faces? When you see someone,
you go, Okay, something bothering you?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
What did you see that day? You didn't see the
last time you saw them, So basically you just did
face reading. Putting legs to that. I think it was
important for me as a physician. We are trained to
ask what's wrong? And I get that. What I struggled
with was I had patients come to me, and any
doctor that listens to this is going to agree with this.
(02:17):
We knew they were sick, They knew they were sick,
and all their tests were a textbook midline normal. So
the obviously answer is twenty milligrams of prosaic FA. Oh honey,
you're depressed. Any doctor calls you honey, you can kick
him in anothers explain to whom he was wrong. So
my motivation started with a paradigm shift, and I thought, well,
(02:38):
I'm struggling because I know something's going on and yet
nothing is showing. And just to throw something at him
to try to help symptoms didn't seem totally correct. That
there's a time and place for that too. So I
had this paradigm shift, and I thought, what if I asked?
What's not right? So I want not pursuit. I'm a
bucket face. You have some bucket qualities. So we bucket faces.
(03:01):
We love to put things in our bucket. We have
a thirst for knowledge. We just love to learn that.
We're intellectually persistent. We're analytical or strategists or list makers,
and we never finish our list, do we.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'd love to make them. You're right, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Do love to make that. If we finish them, God
will take us home. So we can't. We have to
hit things, Okay, So I hit the books. I studied
iervetic medicine. I studied galiens for humors. I studied human psychology.
I took a swing at astrology. Didn't I didn't find
the value I was looking. I was looking for physiological support.
(03:37):
I'm sure there's some value to astrology, and then some
astrologists out there that are incredibly gifted. I just couldn't
connect it to what I wanted to. I had a
lot of books on traditional Chinese medicine and and there
was a little sliver in that something they referred to
as mien hung in Japan, it's boshin, which means facial diagnosis,
(03:57):
and I was I bought a book probably the early
eighties called Secrets of the Face. There were these nine
phase shapes. And if you look behind me, I have
over eighty books on facial diagnosis, most of them about personality.
That's fine. I wanted physiology. I wanted to know this
person's got a subclinical lowthira, this person's got some but
sugar instability more likely hypoglycemia, this person's got an oxygen debt,
(04:21):
this person's got whatever, whatever, whatever. So my motivation was
to ask what's not right instead of my training, which
is what's wrong. And that's how this started, and it
just grew into to the point where we just signed
a multimillion dollar contract with the VA, specifically the Wounded
(04:41):
Warrior Program for early detection of PTSD postpritic stress disorder,
dramatic brain injury, depression and despair. What sole the deal was?
We separated depression and despair psychologist, and the dictionary puts
those as synonymous. So when a soul sure is suicidal.
Depression certainly could nurture some suicidal tendencies. But when you
(05:05):
have depression, I'm depressed. And this is the reason why despair,
there's a hopelessness that comes in suicidal ideation will be
increased one thousandfold. That's the soldier that's going to end
his life. And that's the soldier we can pick up
with our facial diagnosis. We know what it looks like
on the face, and I think we can make such
a difference, so much so that the government signed a
(05:26):
contract with us. I've blown away. I'm watching it being signed,
and I'm in tears. I've been doing this for four
plus decades and it's just part of my DNA, and
to have that moment happened in my life was surreal
and unbelievable and spiritually uplifting. Let me say it that way. Look,
if I say one soldier with this technology, it'll be
(05:48):
a good day.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I want to ask you how do you turn it off?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Though?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And I want to get into the breakdowns of what
actually it involves or what kind of things you can read.
But when you're looking at me right now, how are
you not my face? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Like?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
How do you walk around the world and not just
read everyone's face all the time?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, you can't turn it off. Yeah, the face shape
that we are is a gift and from our creator.
Now it comes with a caveat. You must use that
gift to honor your creator, but you also must use
it to honor mankind and help mankind. So your sensitivity,
(06:26):
your ability to spread your branches and protect, and your intellect.
You've got three gifts. This is a rare commodity. So
these are gifts that you have. And when you put
that it is in fact a gift. It just puts
a whole new layer on it. So again, I can't
turn it off. Now I'm respectful, and I don't bust
(06:47):
through the door and say to a mother, you know
your kid's got this right, or sitting in the airport
and bring up a conversation. It's hard to keep my moushut,
especially when I see something that I know is off.
That is a very simple fix, but you have to
be respectful of where people are. And I always sam,
I've got a marketing company. They'll send me pictures. Do
(07:09):
you know this person? I will now, well you have
to read them right now because we got to get
them on that TikTok and YouTube and over. Oh yeah,
I just like to do it and then let it
happen and whatever comes out of it is good to bad.
I'm okay with my wife will reading me comments that
people will make that it's bogus, and somebody else will
(07:29):
say is the most incredible thing I've ever seen, you
know whatever. You know, everybody's got an opinion. I'm okay
with that. Right.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, let's talk a little bit about we said what
face reading is, but can you talk a little bit
about some of the things that you can find by
looking at people's faces and like maybe certain signifiers just
so people can understand what this is.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well, first of all, the body will be marked and
what that means. If you have an event that is
joyful or traumatic, it can show up in your face.
Does every event show up in your face? Unlikely, but
enough of do that they become valuable from a diagnostic standpoint. Again,
(08:11):
we're starting with the what's not right category and B sickly.
You have to be two thirds sigmatically for medicine to
show any abnormalities. That's a bit far down the road,
you know. And so the cheeks, for instance, represent your
lungs in traditional Chinese medicine. So if you see some
very sunk and cheese, go to any hospital that's treating
(08:34):
lung cancer and look at their cheeks. Their pores will
be huge, it will be gray in color. They will
be sunken because they're lacking oxygen. It's in oxygen debt.
They're not getting oxygen because they've destroyed the little things
in their lungs that allow you to get oxygen. That's
the damaging effect of smoking. It is very diagnostic. Color
on the face. We think of this way. The health
(08:57):
is a kind of a rosy redness. So how we
get that is we have black earth, and we grow
plants in that black earth, the green plants, and then
we eat that green plant, or we eat the animal
that eat the green plant, and we develop a very
rosy healthy look. So the colors on the face, red
(09:19):
is what you want to see, a soft red. Too
much red is too much heat. There's some flammatory things,
there's something on fire. There's so much inflammation. So the
rolls are red is then you get that greenish and
then the gray and if you get black. Now we
all know, we've all read the signs of cancer. If
you've got a mold that's very black, you know, get
it checked, those kind of things. So as we see
(09:41):
those colors go towards black, we're going back into the earth.
So these gray and black cheeks with it, with the
large pores that are actually black, they look like black heads,
but nothing comes out of them. This person is a
degenerative change in their lungs. Wow, yeah, pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Actually, So how is I mean? We talked about this
a couple of weeks ago. I had a body language
expert on the podcast and she was talking about how
much botox and plastic surgery are impacting how we can
read people's faces through that perspective of just like how
we trust people essentially, So how is this impacting maybe
(10:20):
even what you're seeing? And I'm saying this because in
my reading these lines, I think is what you were
talking about. But you said specifically never fill those because
that was like my wisdom lines.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Or well, they're called falling it's okay. I tried to
take the terms in traditional Chinese medicine TCM and kind
of westernize them or americanize them back. If I tell
someone they have dam pete and their lungs or they
have evil wind.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah they're going to go what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Exactly? What does that mean? So what I did was
just kind of make it more Western friendly and these
these I left this because I just like the term
falling means purpose and spiritual strength. These lines tell us
not only have you found your purpose, you're living it
and you have deep spiritual strength. Do you want to
(11:12):
make those go away? I don't think so well, and
just to hitchhike on that point, there's this classic line
he cut off his nose despite his face. So the
nose represents power, drive, ego, and leadership. Okay, you have
a very balanced nose. It's actually perfect for your face.
And we can see your nostrils, which means you're very
approachable and very friendly. Your eyebrows are very low. This
(11:34):
is why you're standing in the line at the grocery
store and somebody starts sharing their life story with you.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Always approachable, sheese friendly.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
They see that they don't know what they're seeing, but
energetically they see it. So if the nose represents power, drive, ego,
and leadership, and the basic tenant in face reading is
mores more or less and less. So if you have
a bigger nose, you have more of that. Even a
smaller nose they have less than that. I'll say two words,
and you tell me what comes to your mind.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Michael Jackson tiny nose.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, well he had a beautiful note, but he had.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
A Yeah, he had a totally different nose when he started.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
His life, and he was incredibly powerful. Was he not?
Literally was a brilliant, blithering idiot? Yeah he could say
that in such a talented man, but he literally cut
off his nose despite his face. Look, if you've got
a nose, every day you look in the mirror, you
hate yourself. You have sure contempt yourself. Get a nose job.
But I was doing to talk outside of LA and
(12:32):
a lot of people in the room and everywhere with
their faces red, and it's always an enjoyable thing. Do
I really enjoy the public? I speak mostly to doctors,
and they're kind of a pain of the ass, sorry,
because they know acting like they know you don't know
anything I'm not talking about, and you're acting like you do. Anyway,
there were these two gals and and they wanted their
(12:53):
face read, both of them, and I said, I'm sorry
I can't, and they why. I said, Look, you just
you had too much done. I couldn't tell if they
were thirty or sixty. Their breasts were perky, their butts
were tight, their face was immovable. And they said, we
didn't have anything done. The whole crowd cracks up because
everybody had looked at it. Right, they were as fake
(13:13):
as could be. Look, you embrace aging. I do not
like what is happening to my body with my aging process,
but the wisdom that I have by simply being on
this earth longer is worth the price of my body
crapping on on me. So I don't like the term
anti aging. What you're really saying is I'm afraid of dying. Look,
(13:34):
I don't want to be first in line. I got
some questions. I want to ask, what's I and this
earthly on this earthly plane? But I think it's very
important to respect the aging process, embrace it, and use
the knowledge you gleaned to make a difference in people's lives.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
When I've read that, I mean, what I'm for you,
gud that are just listening, We're kind of point. I
think they're called nasy.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Oh label nasal labial lines, then' that's it does?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I like calling way back.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And that is definitely a place that when you know,
I work in the beauty industry, so I mean, that
is one of the main things that you start feeling
when you're aging, and a lot of us do do
things to try to get rid of them. But when
I read that, it was a sign of wisdom and
that you were finding your purpose or found your purpose
like the deeper they got, I thought, what a beautiful
(14:25):
thing it is that we get rid of, you know,
and we really don't respect the wisdom of aging. I think,
like you're talking about in our culture, and I'm really
trying to try to embrace that a little bit more
because those lines are telling us something, and they're telling
other people something about my journey versus oh my god,
look how old she looks? You know.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, they're also called smile lines. Well you smile, they come.
Do you want to remove your smile?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
No? But I'm telling you, it's taking my brain a
second to switch that narrative and a couple of the
things like that the reading I had with you, and
and the other body language expert talking about that as well.
I'd really thought to myself, you know, my instinct recently
has been to not get botox anymore to do these things,
and I haven't been. But I also have to retrain
(15:16):
my brain because everyone out there is, you know, there's
like this. We hold ourselves too.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
If they knew, I think they wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Which is why I want to talk about this stuff. Yeah,
you mentioned that you speak to doctors a lot, and
they're maybe not always as receptive. And one of the
big things I talk about in this podcast as well
is looking at root cause issues and how kind of
(15:47):
the way our medical system is set up is just
let's throw a pill at something, let's get rid of
the symptom, but we don't look at the why behind it.
So why isn't every doctor learning about these kind of
things that you're talking about with the face, Because isn't
it really doing half of a job if you're not.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I don't get it. Part of the problem is you
can't get to medical school without having a pretty high intellect,
pretty high IQ. Sure, Okay, so inherent in that is
the potential for stupidity to raid, because there's a pendulum
that will affect, and the brighter you are when you
swing the opposite way, you get real stupid. I think
something is innocuous, as say hypertension. Now me as a physician,
(16:30):
my first question is why is the blood pressure up?
Most doctors the first question is, well, should I use
a beta blocker or should I use a diarreetic? Oh?
Maybe I'll just use both. So look, if you've got
a pump problem, a heart problem, you want to look
at a beta blocker as a possible medical therapeutic entity.
But if you've got a water balance problem, hidney issue,
(16:53):
you want to look at a diarretic. Shouldn't you ask
why is it igh? And then decide base done that,
what drug you should possibly use? M why kind of
doctor you can relate to this because you've got a bucket. Yeah?
Well but mum, why but but mum? Why? In eventure
comes because I said so my mom?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Could hear you say?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
We were the questioners and the philosophers and we lived
for this kind of thing. Look, the world needs very
intelligent doctors that are laser focused on what's wrong? You
crossed that two thirds line. Medicine shines. They suck the
prior to that, and they you know, so you had
you had an evaluation a year ago, and you come
(17:38):
in and now you have another exam and the doctor
find something wrong and said you should have come in earlier. Well,
last year everything was fine. Did this Did this stage
four prostate cancer just come this last year? No, it's
been brewing a long time. Wouldn't it be nice to
know there's a lion on your chin? And then you
have darkness under your eye, there's puffiness underneath your eye.
(18:00):
All these things tie into kidney or the water element,
kidney bladder, sex, organs, and hormones, and these things are
all beneficial in understanding what's not right. It takes that
paradigm shift from the what's wrong mentality which is beat
into us as doctors. It's all about what's wrong. Now
we've got AI generated diagnostic tools that they say are
(18:22):
even better than doctors. Yeah. Maybe, But here's the thing
about AI. I can't answer questions never been asked. You
can't come up with a new idea. Think about that.
I was lecturing once and this young doctor did all
the good ideas have been discovered. And I said, we
walked on the moon before we put wheels on the suitcase.
(18:44):
I never thought about that, think about it that, you know?
So I love curiosity and being a bucket face. Curiosity
as my badge of honor. You're curious, I'm so curious.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Have you ever read Donald Trump's face?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Would be very I did Trump. I don't like doing
politics because you lose half your votes?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Full right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You So Trump is an iron face, wrong, stable, stubborn,
But so is Hillary. So is Putin Winston Churchill. So
many politicians, Ted Cruz, so many of them are iron faces.
They're dedicated, they're persevered, diplomatic, take things to the end.
Things they're interested in. If interested, screw it, they don't
(19:25):
do it. Yes, so you have to realize that again,
the face that they are is a gift. And yeah,
and they're strong, they're stable, they're stubborn. And there's debate
is you know, if you're if you're Republican, Hillary is
not stable and if you're a Democrat, Trump's not stable. Whatever,
you know. I I vote on faces. I need to
(19:47):
vote on politics. I read faces. I not a good
not a good thing. I'm not voting.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That guy is Trump sick? Can I ask?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
You know, he's got some issues, you know, but he
he's seventy eight years old. You're gonna have issues of course,
right know. You know the man doesn't sleep, he eats poorly,
but he's got an incredibly strong constitution. So you can
do things to your body if you have a strong constitution.
My father gave me my strong constitution. I have a
really strong body. He died it when I was nine
(20:18):
years old. Off I'll call it. So if you're if
you are an alcoholic, you have a strong constitution. Because
you've a weak constitution. You can't get You can't right
because it'll take you out. You don't have the ability
to put that into your body without without your body
saying no, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
The alcoholic have this very strong constitution. And I got
my dad's a strong constitution.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Something that made me think about the factors of well
even that the strong constitution, like the emotional and mental
kind of parts of what you can read on people's faces,
and then also like the past, so like you and mine,
we talked a lot about like instability in my childhood
and I've talked openly about this on the podcast, and
it was that I grew up in an alcoholic calm
(20:59):
as well. It's very different now, but that and I
think you also said that in my reading, which was like,
I was, how does he know this from looking at
my face? So how do you like? What are you
looking at? That you can go? You probably had an
instable childhood. It might have looked like this or that
or whatever, like how are you reading that on someone's face?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
There different things. Ears are very important, Okay. In traditional
Chinese medicine word for genetics, they call it ancestral energy
comes through your kidneys. It's called kidney jing. Well, if
we get into just energetic principles, I remember as I
got deeply into energy medicine and I got bored, certifined
an acupuncture, and I did some techniques that I worked
(21:40):
with energy balance. I used the technique called BEST it's
for bio Energetic Synchronization technique. It's developed by doctor Ted Mortar.
I was fascinated with it because I'm a bucket face
and I'm fascinated about everything. As I worked with this,
I got into kerts and these different energies. So I
would put people into a state of five twenty hurts.
(22:00):
I developed a technique that allowed me to put that in.
So the question is, what is what's so cool about
five twenty eight? Well, it's hurts of the word love.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I listened to that every morning.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah. Yeah, Michael Turell. Sadly he passed away, but he
does incredible stuff. Yeah. And I never told anybody what
I was doing because I thought if I really told
him I was doing, I removed all doubt from their
mind that I'm crazy and they wouldn't come back. Hard
to help people if they don't come back, right. So
I had this Southern gal and she's doctor Todd, what
are you doing? And I go, uh, I don't understand.
(22:33):
What are you doing? And I said, once again, I
don't understand. She said, well, you touch me here and
to do this, and you do this and I feel better.
But what are you doing? And I said, well, it's
kind of like a polarity balance and she said, well,
I'd really like to know what you're doing. And I
got this check out my spirit like, don't go over there,
(22:55):
and I finally just said, look, I it is my
belief that I'm do you to do a state of
five twenty eight. And that's the hurts of the word love.
I said, what's very significant is other words have a
vibration rate. Hate and anger have a vibrational rate of
one hundred. Fear is about one twenty five. And I said,
(23:15):
what even makes that more significant? Diseases have a vibrational rate.
There's nothing wrong with cancer. The vibration rate of cancer,
depending on the cancer is forty about forty two one hundred.
So if hate and anger are a big part of
your life, you're bringing your body's energy down to a
place where cancer can say, hey, I can grow here
and nobody's gonna bug me. And she bursts into tears
(23:38):
on the table. I why should I should have listened
to that? Checked my spirit? And she said you did
not know my husband, did you? And I said no,
I didn't. She said, I loved him, but he was
a hateful man. Everybody hated him. He was mean, he
just he was just not a nice human being. And
(23:59):
he died of state for pancreatic cancer.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And she says, doctor Tidd, you have to share this
with the world. That was one of those moments in
my life that I went okay, I must change from
this point forward, and I began sharing with people what
I was doing. I'll never forget one day it was
this gallant. I just loved her. She was just the
sweetest thing. Her name was Mary, and she was out
my waiting room. I was very busy, and at the
(24:24):
end of the day I realized I didn't see Mary,
and I said to my staff, Oh, was I so
far behind that Mary had to leave? I could, Oh, no,
I go. Can I ask why she was here? Was
she buying someone or something? She goes, No, she just
comes and sits here. She likes the energy of the office.
(24:44):
So I would treat fifty to sixty people in the day.
Fifty to sixty people went into a state of five
twenty eight. Nobody stays there, I don't. I think Christ did,
probably Gandhi did. I Buddha probably did. But I think
my paint and my walls to the energy of five
point twenty eight. And my staff said, she's not the
only one. I'm thinking Googos just sits in the doctor's
(25:09):
office because they feel better. You do You do you
think that improved my success right with patients? I think
very much.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So you know, when it comes to hate. The answer
and the answer always is love, and it's math. We
can knock out five haters by loving. So the path
has always been math in life. Yeah again, I'm a
buck to face, so math it's a big thing. So
I have these people that, oh, I hate Trump, I
(25:38):
hate the comment. Really, how's that working for you? What
disease are you inviting into your body?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I had some gal with a lot of left sided indicators,
and I said this, you got some issues. There's some
anger with a male, there's some stress with a male.
Well it's Trump, really, and I just share it. I said,
I hate him, and I go, okay, I respect that.
I mean he's look, he's not a likable guy. No
(26:09):
one's gonna look at him and say, boy, he's arm
and fuzzy. But I said, your hatred for him, and
I explained the five, twenty eight and the hundred kind
of thing, and she was kind of quiet on death.
On the other end. I was doing a facial diagnosis
on her end, and I said, you know, just some thoughts.
You can take from it what you wish. But I
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guess I hate hate. It's an interesting thing, and I
just I think we can just try to put love
wherever we can, try to make a difference in this
life and see what happens from there.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Well, I love that you touched on the fact of
how hate is impacting us physically though, too, because I
mean I've always talked a little bit about stored emotions
and what they're doing to our bodies.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
But they're damaging. They damaging, profoundy damaging.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, And so that's interesting that you're treating patients by
actually just putting them more in the love frequency, so
then their own bodies can heal themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Is that what you're removing the obstacle to the care
and what's not allowing them to get wrong?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Mentioned that you do teachings for just the regular folks
like us that aren't doctors. What would be the benefit
of us understanding people's faces?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Know thyself? But really, when you know more, you can
be a difference. I had a patient, I had seen her,
worked with her, and she did well, and she came
back two years later, and she had aged twenty five
years in three years. In two years. I mean, she
just looked nothing, and she had all kinds of health issues,
(27:51):
immune problems, pains with like no fibermality, chronic fatigue syndrome,
which are terms that we don't know what it is,
but you're in a lot of pain and you're tired.
We just give it names so we could develop a drug.
And I said to her, you know what happened? She
said she was Mormon and her husband was a bishop,
which is top in that geographical area. Top guy ran
(28:15):
the show. My husband left me for his secretary, and
my life just and then collapsed. And so I'm looking
at her and her pupils were on level. Okay, okay,
And that's a sign that's been a traumatic brain injury.
That's one of the key indicators of a TBI traumatic
brain injury, concussion. I said to her, you've had a
(28:37):
traumatic brain injury. I said to her, you had an
emotional concussion. And she said what I And I remember thinking,
what just came out of my much?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You didn't even know.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I know I both of those words, and it's the
first time I ever used those words. A matter of fact,
I'm being encouraged to write another book called The Emotional Concussion. Yeah,
I'll be a hard pass on that, but I would
read it. Yeah, Well, I think the title of itself
I said, you've had trauma to your brain and you've
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injured your brain, just as if you hit your hand
on the concrete, but it was an emotional concussion. And
I said, you've been diagnosed as depressed, right, and she's
I have. I said drugs didn't work, that they made
me feel worse. I said, you're not depressed, and she said, well,
doctor Todd, there you're wrong. Yeah, I get your comment.
(29:31):
But the D word that describes you as despair, there's hopelessness.
And I watched her eyes change in front of me,
and she got better that day in a consultation.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Because it was acknowledged.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Because she her brain understood I am not depressed. This
is despair. There's hopeless and the body said hopeless. Okay,
let me do some things. So I said, look, we'll
do a work up on you. I'll recommend some thing,
but I'm going to ask you. She was crying fatigue.
I said, IM want to ask you to walk ten
minutes a day, walk five minutes away from the house
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and five minutes back. And I said, the moment you
feel you can walk ten minutes and then fifty, well,
it was like a miracle. And she reversed aging. Within
three months, she was a totally different person. She became
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a very successful real estate ancient and choice was at home.
You know, she raised the kids a good Mormon wife
than she was. Yeah, that's not a slam. Motherhood is
the toughest profession in the world with no pay. So
how many guys would sign up for that? Not one?
I mean if men had babies, we'd have one. And
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that I'm not doing that again, just like thanks for
no thing right. The female has a different take on that.
It was amazing to watch her heel. I did very
little for her other than made her brain aware that
an event that changed her. And it's just the power
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of words are phenomenal and we just we don't respect
them enough both sides. We say hateful things in a
text that we would not say to someone's face, and
we say incredibly positive things one it's very important, so
we need to work on both ends that spectrum.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Well, I always say on this podcast, I think one
of the biggest human needs is being seen, and so
that totally ties into that. Her brain, even our brains
are so fascinating how they are constantly trying to keep
us safe, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And knowing face reading allowed me to be a better doctor,
because sure, you have some fire energy. I have very
narrowness to your face, which makes you very sensitive. So
I don't do when you come in. Look, you've got
four things in trouble. You've got to jump on this
right now. I mean, you'll stand there, but you're never
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coming back. What I would say to you is, look,
you've got four things going on, but with your sensitivity,
we can't attack four things. We'll work in one area.
Normally I support this with two or three things, but
let's start with one thing, and let's let's do a
half dose just to respect your sensitivity. I'm always using
that word and a little tear comes out of the
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corner and you think, oh my god, somebody finally understands
me and your bucket quality. I would go, look, i'm
giving you this, this fish oil, but you'll know that.
You got to know why I'm giving it to you. Yeah,
But the whole time, I'm patting your other back, because
we like a pad in the back. We right, I'll say, look,
there's two many things in fishial. One it's called EPA,
which is very cardio protected, and then there's DHA, which
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is very cognitively protective as the bucket. I'm going to say, look,
this is higher in Dha because this is going to
help your brain think and work better. Well, you're all
in because now, of course, and if I'm talking to
your tree quality, which is your third face, tree face
is deeply rooting. You take the winds of life better
than any other. Face. Like to grow on your old
don't like to be trimmed back. But your gift to
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mankind is ability to spread your branches and protect. You
make the best bosses, You make the best parent. I
wish every child had a tree face parent in their life. Now.
The problem I have with my female tree faces, they
were so into taking care of others they forgot to
take care of themselves. I would speak to you, I'd say, look,
you love helping others, don't you, Oh, doctor Todd, I do.
And I'd just quietly say, well what if you couldn't
(33:33):
do that? And then the tear comes out of the corner.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Well I have to cry right now, So I said.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
How about we spend little time working on you. She
can do what God put you on this earth to
do with your intellect and your sensitivity. Isn't you so
you would be a tough patient to talk to because
I'd have to figure out which person I should talk to. Yeah,
three different faces that you.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Okay, So when you mentioned that at the beginning of
the podcast you were talking about me, I thought that
is a general thing.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
No, no, no, no, okay, you have three different faces?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Fascinating. So most people have how many?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Like two?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Okay? So is that why I have a hard time
understanding myself sometimes?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Oh? Absolutely, absolutely?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But really, in the perfect world, you'd have nine faces
one ninth of everything. Okay, nobody has that.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Nobody has that.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Well.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
So you also mentioned like the right and left side
being very different, right, and so one is masculine and
one is feminine.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Right, and how do you remember what's what? His mom's
always right. That's so the right side is because let's
face the moms are right, and it's really the right eye.
When I do this diagnosis, if you're watched any of
my videos, I'm always about what phase shape you are
and what your right eye left eye tell us about you.
So your right eye is what you show to the world,
is your public persona, it's what you want. The rule
is see energetic, you're throwing so much any out there.
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Nobody can see the left side, and it's your mother's influence.
The left side is your true, inner, private self, and
it's your father's influence. The number of females that I
see that have a deep line underneath their left eye
and it just crosses their cheekbone. That's in adrenaline. It's
stressed for me. And they got puffiness in their upper eyelid,
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only not in the right, only in the that's the
gallbletder gall better. They don't digest fats their products. But
the emotion of the gall buttter's anger. It's internalized anger
and has to do with the male. It's uncomfortable and unnerving.
How often I see that on a female?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
What do you think the biggest lesson you've learned from
reading faces is we all have a story.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
You got a story, I get a story. My story
is my first two children ied. Little girl named Katie
lived about twenty minutes, didn't breathe and didn't survive. My
son Brady was born. I was in my medical training,
also didn't breathe lived five months of your brain damage
and died in their arms. So brutal, you know. I
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had three children after that. Casey, my beautiful daughter, my
son Toby Casey. For sure we would have had Toby
odds are yes. But my co author of the book,
my beautiful daughter Abby, she wouldn't have been on this earth. Now.
In our book, we have vertical life lessons and lifeless
Number eight is facial diagnosis changes how you see people.
(36:24):
This is the answer to your question. We've been I'm
gonna read it's very short. We've been reading faces for
total of nearly forty years and we have studied hundreds
of face while writing this book, trying to find the
perfect example of each face, a shape, and feature. We
can't even count the number of times we uttered one
a wonderful face. And these are the words that would
have never come out of this earth. And something fantastic
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about learning to read faces as you stop looking at
people as more or less pretty. When you learn to
read faces, every person becomes a beautiful, unique individual. To
see strength is inspiring and motivating. Seeing weaknesses increases awareness
and empathy and helps you become more kind. Facial diagnosis
doesn't help you to become a better doctor. It helps
me become a better person. So those words would have
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never ended up on the pages of a book. I
had my first two children not had the and they lived.
So you know, we all got a story, and everybody's
story would just make us all shake our heads like,
well I could not have handled that. And yet we
all do, you know, and we make choices. And I
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remember having my acupuncture mentor a brilliant man, just doctor
Richard Yanny. I love this man. I was a young doctor.
I was young and brilliant. Let me say it that way,
only one of those adjectives. He said, looking, you go
through three phases in your career. And he said the
first phase is survival, and I go, yeah, I can
read it that. You know, this was the Mercedes eighties,
(37:54):
by the way, everybody was into how much you made
in what cars you were driving. And the first face
is survival, and I thought, yeah, I'm in that survival.
You don't come out of the shoot successful as a position.
You've got to own your trade. You got to get people,
you got to make a difference in their life, and
then they refer and you build a practice. And he said,
now the second phase is going to go through his success.
(38:14):
This is during the Mercedes eighties. What's better than success?
To which I thought that exact thought that I was
probably twenty eight years old at the time. I'm seventy
two now. And he just let this pregnant pause lay
there and he says, you're all wondering what is better
than success? And he says and then the word is significance.
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I've been successful, and I've known many very successful people.
I've known many successful people that were miserable, sobs, that
were disgusting, hateful future humans. I've never met anyone of
significance that didn't have a depth of joy that was palpable.
And so, look, I've been successful. It's nice, got more things,
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but I'd rather be significant. I love that that is that.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
To me, I can't say anything to even top that.
So I'm going to end the podcast on that because
that this got way more spiritual than I even anticipated.
But this was exactly what this I was going to say,
This is exactly what this podcast is about. So I
really I just so appreciate you sharing your knowledge with
us but also your heart, because that was that's so
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in line with what we do here on this podcast,
and I just wish more of us could connect this way,
because that's why we're all here in my opinion. So
I'm going to put the link to this book that
you mentioned. It's called WTF Why the Face? A Practical
Guide to Understanding health and personality through facial Diagnosis, and
also the link to where people can come have a
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reading with you if they want to do that. And you, guys,
it is fascinating. You know that I love stuff like this,
but I really did learn a lot about myself and
even just some of the things I need to look
out for in my life. So I'll put all of
that in a scription of this podcast for you, guys,
Doctor Todd, thank you so much for.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Being for us, absolutely lovely. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
It was an Thank you guys so much for listening.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
H
Doctor Todd Frish is an author and speaker working in
the art of face reading. Over the last four decades,
doctor Todd has encouraged, motivated, and inspired hundreds of practitioners
in the healing arts, from medical doctors to energy healers,
chiropractors to nurses. Attendees of his workshops walk away with
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(00:35):
nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I've already read your face.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah you know what, you know my face probably more
than I do.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, I don't know about that. I'll take a good
swing at it.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
So I actually found you on Instagram. I was telling
you before the podcast, and I found your page so
fascinating because you read, you read people's faces. So you
will do these breakdowns of celebrity and you'll tell us
what certain lines mean, maybe what their life is going
to look like, what their life did look like in
(01:07):
the past. And it's just such an interesting way to
get someone's history or break down of their inside their
personality through just looking at their face. So I had
to have you do mine, which we talked about, and
you did, and I was telling you it was so
spot on, so much of it really describe my personality.
You even mentioned maybe some areas that I might struggle with,
(01:30):
like certain illnesses or certain things to look out for,
and all of that was just really helpful and interesting.
So now we're here, and I guess we should start
by telling people what is face reading?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yeah, it kind of comes in the wool category for
a lot of right, and I get that, but really,
do we not all read faces? When you see someone,
you go, Okay, something bothering you?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:56):
What did you see that day? You didn't see the
last time you saw them, So basically you just did
face reading. Putting legs to that. I think it was
important for me as a physician. We are trained to
ask what's wrong? And I get that. What I struggled
with was I had patients come to me, and any
doctor that listens to this is going to agree with this.
(02:17):
We knew they were sick, They knew they were sick,
and all their tests were a textbook midline normal. So
the obviously answer is twenty milligrams of prosaic FA. Oh honey,
you're depressed. Any doctor calls you honey, you can kick
him in anothers explain to whom he was wrong. So
my motivation started with a paradigm shift, and I thought, well,
(02:38):
I'm struggling because I know something's going on and yet
nothing is showing. And just to throw something at him
to try to help symptoms didn't seem totally correct. That
there's a time and place for that too. So I
had this paradigm shift, and I thought, what if I asked?
What's not right? So I want not pursuit. I'm a
bucket face. You have some bucket qualities. So we bucket faces.
(03:01):
We love to put things in our bucket. We have
a thirst for knowledge. We just love to learn that.
We're intellectually persistent. We're analytical or strategists or list makers,
and we never finish our list, do we.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I'd love to make them. You're right, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Do love to make that. If we finish them, God
will take us home. So we can't. We have to
hit things, Okay, So I hit the books. I studied
iervetic medicine. I studied galiens for humors. I studied human psychology.
I took a swing at astrology. Didn't I didn't find
the value I was looking. I was looking for physiological support.
(03:37):
I'm sure there's some value to astrology, and then some
astrologists out there that are incredibly gifted. I just couldn't
connect it to what I wanted to. I had a
lot of books on traditional Chinese medicine and and there
was a little sliver in that something they referred to
as mien hung in Japan, it's boshin, which means facial diagnosis,
(03:57):
and I was I bought a book probably the early
eighties called Secrets of the Face. There were these nine
phase shapes. And if you look behind me, I have
over eighty books on facial diagnosis, most of them about personality.
That's fine. I wanted physiology. I wanted to know this
person's got a subclinical lowthira, this person's got some but
sugar instability more likely hypoglycemia, this person's got an oxygen debt,
(04:21):
this person's got whatever, whatever, whatever. So my motivation was
to ask what's not right instead of my training, which
is what's wrong. And that's how this started, and it
just grew into to the point where we just signed
a multimillion dollar contract with the VA, specifically the Wounded
(04:41):
Warrior Program for early detection of PTSD postpritic stress disorder,
dramatic brain injury, depression and despair. What sole the deal was?
We separated depression and despair psychologist, and the dictionary puts
those as synonymous. So when a soul sure is suicidal.
Depression certainly could nurture some suicidal tendencies. But when you
(05:05):
have depression, I'm depressed. And this is the reason why despair,
there's a hopelessness that comes in suicidal ideation will be
increased one thousandfold. That's the soldier that's going to end
his life. And that's the soldier we can pick up
with our facial diagnosis. We know what it looks like
on the face, and I think we can make such
a difference, so much so that the government signed a
(05:26):
contract with us. I've blown away. I'm watching it being signed,
and I'm in tears. I've been doing this for four
plus decades and it's just part of my DNA, and
to have that moment happened in my life was surreal
and unbelievable and spiritually uplifting. Let me say it that way. Look,
if I say one soldier with this technology, it'll be
(05:48):
a good day.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
I want to ask you how do you turn it off?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Though?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
And I want to get into the breakdowns of what
actually it involves or what kind of things you can read.
But when you're looking at me right now, how are
you not my face? Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Like?
Speaker 1 (06:01):
How do you walk around the world and not just
read everyone's face all the time?
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, you can't turn it off. Yeah, the face shape
that we are is a gift and from our creator.
Now it comes with a caveat. You must use that
gift to honor your creator, but you also must use
it to honor mankind and help mankind. So your sensitivity,
(06:26):
your ability to spread your branches and protect, and your intellect.
You've got three gifts. This is a rare commodity. So
these are gifts that you have. And when you put
that it is in fact a gift. It just puts
a whole new layer on it. So again, I can't
turn it off. Now I'm respectful, and I don't bust
(06:47):
through the door and say to a mother, you know
your kid's got this right, or sitting in the airport
and bring up a conversation. It's hard to keep my moushut,
especially when I see something that I know is off.
That is a very simple fix, but you have to
be respectful of where people are. And I always sam,
I've got a marketing company. They'll send me pictures. Do
(07:09):
you know this person? I will now, well you have
to read them right now because we got to get
them on that TikTok and YouTube and over. Oh yeah,
I just like to do it and then let it
happen and whatever comes out of it is good to bad.
I'm okay with my wife will reading me comments that
people will make that it's bogus, and somebody else will
(07:29):
say is the most incredible thing I've ever seen, you
know whatever. You know, everybody's got an opinion. I'm okay
with that. Right.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Well, let's talk a little bit about we said what
face reading is, but can you talk a little bit
about some of the things that you can find by
looking at people's faces and like maybe certain signifiers just
so people can understand what this is.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Well, first of all, the body will be marked and
what that means. If you have an event that is
joyful or traumatic, it can show up in your face.
Does every event show up in your face? Unlikely, but
enough of do that they become valuable from a diagnostic standpoint. Again,
(08:11):
we're starting with the what's not right category and B sickly.
You have to be two thirds sigmatically for medicine to
show any abnormalities. That's a bit far down the road,
you know. And so the cheeks, for instance, represent your
lungs in traditional Chinese medicine. So if you see some
very sunk and cheese, go to any hospital that's treating
(08:34):
lung cancer and look at their cheeks. Their pores will
be huge, it will be gray in color. They will
be sunken because they're lacking oxygen. It's in oxygen debt.
They're not getting oxygen because they've destroyed the little things
in their lungs that allow you to get oxygen. That's
the damaging effect of smoking. It is very diagnostic. Color
on the face. We think of this way. The health
(08:57):
is a kind of a rosy redness. So how we
get that is we have black earth, and we grow
plants in that black earth, the green plants, and then
we eat that green plant, or we eat the animal
that eat the green plant, and we develop a very
rosy healthy look. So the colors on the face, red
(09:19):
is what you want to see, a soft red. Too
much red is too much heat. There's some flammatory things,
there's something on fire. There's so much inflammation. So the
rolls are red is then you get that greenish and
then the gray and if you get black. Now we
all know, we've all read the signs of cancer. If
you've got a mold that's very black, you know, get
it checked, those kind of things. So as we see
(09:41):
those colors go towards black, we're going back into the earth.
So these gray and black cheeks with it, with the
large pores that are actually black, they look like black heads,
but nothing comes out of them. This person is a
degenerative change in their lungs. Wow, yeah, pretty amazing.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Actually, So how is I mean? We talked about this
a couple of weeks ago. I had a body language
expert on the podcast and she was talking about how
much botox and plastic surgery are impacting how we can
read people's faces through that perspective of just like how
we trust people essentially, So how is this impacting maybe
(10:20):
even what you're seeing? And I'm saying this because in
my reading these lines, I think is what you were
talking about. But you said specifically never fill those because
that was like my wisdom lines.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Or well, they're called falling it's okay. I tried to
take the terms in traditional Chinese medicine TCM and kind
of westernize them or americanize them back. If I tell
someone they have dam pete and their lungs or they
have evil wind.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah they're going to go what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Exactly? What does that mean? So what I did was
just kind of make it more Western friendly and these
these I left this because I just like the term
falling means purpose and spiritual strength. These lines tell us
not only have you found your purpose, you're living it
and you have deep spiritual strength. Do you want to
(11:12):
make those go away? I don't think so well, and
just to hitchhike on that point, there's this classic line
he cut off his nose despite his face. So the
nose represents power, drive, ego, and leadership. Okay, you have
a very balanced nose. It's actually perfect for your face.
And we can see your nostrils, which means you're very
approachable and very friendly. Your eyebrows are very low. This
(11:34):
is why you're standing in the line at the grocery
store and somebody starts sharing their life story with you.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Always approachable, sheese friendly.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
They see that they don't know what they're seeing, but
energetically they see it. So if the nose represents power, drive, ego,
and leadership, and the basic tenant in face reading is
mores more or less and less. So if you have
a bigger nose, you have more of that. Even a
smaller nose they have less than that. I'll say two words,
and you tell me what comes to your mind.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Michael Jackson tiny nose.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah, well he had a beautiful note, but he had.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
A Yeah, he had a totally different nose when he started.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
His life, and he was incredibly powerful. Was he not?
Literally was a brilliant, blithering idiot? Yeah he could say
that in such a talented man, but he literally cut
off his nose despite his face. Look, if you've got
a nose, every day you look in the mirror, you
hate yourself. You have sure contempt yourself. Get a nose job.
But I was doing to talk outside of LA and
(12:32):
a lot of people in the room and everywhere with
their faces red, and it's always an enjoyable thing. Do
I really enjoy the public? I speak mostly to doctors,
and they're kind of a pain of the ass, sorry,
because they know acting like they know you don't know
anything I'm not talking about, and you're acting like you do. Anyway,
there were these two gals and and they wanted their
(12:53):
face read, both of them, and I said, I'm sorry
I can't, and they why. I said, Look, you just
you had too much done. I couldn't tell if they
were thirty or sixty. Their breasts were perky, their butts
were tight, their face was immovable. And they said, we
didn't have anything done. The whole crowd cracks up because
everybody had looked at it. Right, they were as fake
(13:13):
as could be. Look, you embrace aging. I do not
like what is happening to my body with my aging process,
but the wisdom that I have by simply being on
this earth longer is worth the price of my body
crapping on on me. So I don't like the term
anti aging. What you're really saying is I'm afraid of dying. Look,
(13:34):
I don't want to be first in line. I got
some questions. I want to ask, what's I and this
earthly on this earthly plane? But I think it's very
important to respect the aging process, embrace it, and use
the knowledge you gleaned to make a difference in people's lives.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
When I've read that, I mean, what I'm for you,
gud that are just listening, We're kind of point. I
think they're called nasy.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Oh label nasal labial lines, then' that's it does?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I like calling way back.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Right?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And that is definitely a place that when you know,
I work in the beauty industry, so I mean, that
is one of the main things that you start feeling
when you're aging, and a lot of us do do
things to try to get rid of them. But when
I read that, it was a sign of wisdom and
that you were finding your purpose or found your purpose
like the deeper they got, I thought, what a beautiful
(14:25):
thing it is that we get rid of, you know,
and we really don't respect the wisdom of aging. I think,
like you're talking about in our culture, and I'm really
trying to try to embrace that a little bit more
because those lines are telling us something, and they're telling
other people something about my journey versus oh my god,
look how old she looks? You know.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Well, they're also called smile lines. Well you smile, they come.
Do you want to remove your smile?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
No? But I'm telling you, it's taking my brain a
second to switch that narrative and a couple of the
things like that the reading I had with you, and
and the other body language expert talking about that as well.
I'd really thought to myself, you know, my instinct recently
has been to not get botox anymore to do these things,
and I haven't been. But I also have to retrain
(15:16):
my brain because everyone out there is, you know, there's
like this. We hold ourselves too.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
If they knew, I think they wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Which is why I want to talk about this stuff. Yeah,
you mentioned that you speak to doctors a lot, and
they're maybe not always as receptive. And one of the
big things I talk about in this podcast as well
is looking at root cause issues and how kind of
(15:47):
the way our medical system is set up is just
let's throw a pill at something, let's get rid of
the symptom, but we don't look at the why behind it.
So why isn't every doctor learning about these kind of
things that you're talking about with the face, Because isn't
it really doing half of a job if you're not.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I don't get it. Part of the problem is you
can't get to medical school without having a pretty high intellect,
pretty high IQ. Sure, Okay, so inherent in that is
the potential for stupidity to raid, because there's a pendulum
that will affect, and the brighter you are when you
swing the opposite way, you get real stupid. I think
something is innocuous, as say hypertension. Now me as a physician,
(16:30):
my first question is why is the blood pressure up?
Most doctors the first question is, well, should I use
a beta blocker or should I use a diarreetic? Oh?
Maybe I'll just use both. So look, if you've got
a pump problem, a heart problem, you want to look
at a beta blocker as a possible medical therapeutic entity.
But if you've got a water balance problem, hidney issue,
(16:53):
you want to look at a diarretic. Shouldn't you ask
why is it igh? And then decide base done that,
what drug you should possibly use? M why kind of
doctor you can relate to this because you've got a bucket. Yeah?
Well but mum, why but but mum? Why? In eventure
comes because I said so my mom?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Could hear you say?
Speaker 2 (17:16):
We were the questioners and the philosophers and we lived
for this kind of thing. Look, the world needs very
intelligent doctors that are laser focused on what's wrong? You
crossed that two thirds line. Medicine shines. They suck the
prior to that, and they you know, so you had
you had an evaluation a year ago, and you come
(17:38):
in and now you have another exam and the doctor
find something wrong and said you should have come in earlier. Well,
last year everything was fine. Did this Did this stage
four prostate cancer just come this last year? No, it's
been brewing a long time. Wouldn't it be nice to
know there's a lion on your chin? And then you
have darkness under your eye, there's puffiness underneath your eye.
(18:00):
All these things tie into kidney or the water element,
kidney bladder, sex, organs, and hormones, and these things are
all beneficial in understanding what's not right. It takes that
paradigm shift from the what's wrong mentality which is beat
into us as doctors. It's all about what's wrong. Now
we've got AI generated diagnostic tools that they say are
(18:22):
even better than doctors. Yeah. Maybe, But here's the thing
about AI. I can't answer questions never been asked. You
can't come up with a new idea. Think about that.
I was lecturing once and this young doctor did all
the good ideas have been discovered. And I said, we
walked on the moon before we put wheels on the suitcase.
(18:44):
I never thought about that, think about it that, you know?
So I love curiosity and being a bucket face. Curiosity
as my badge of honor. You're curious, I'm so curious.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Have you ever read Donald Trump's face?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Would be very I did Trump. I don't like doing
politics because you lose half your votes?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Full right? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
You So Trump is an iron face, wrong, stable, stubborn,
But so is Hillary. So is Putin Winston Churchill. So
many politicians, Ted Cruz, so many of them are iron faces.
They're dedicated, they're persevered, diplomatic, take things to the end.
Things they're interested in. If interested, screw it, they don't
(19:25):
do it. Yes, so you have to realize that again,
the face that they are is a gift. And yeah,
and they're strong, they're stable, they're stubborn. And there's debate
is you know, if you're if you're Republican, Hillary is
not stable and if you're a Democrat, Trump's not stable. Whatever,
you know. I I vote on faces. I need to
(19:47):
vote on politics. I read faces. I not a good
not a good thing. I'm not voting.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That guy is Trump sick? Can I ask?
Speaker 2 (19:57):
You know, he's got some issues, you know, but he
he's seventy eight years old. You're gonna have issues of course,
right know. You know the man doesn't sleep, he eats poorly,
but he's got an incredibly strong constitution. So you can
do things to your body if you have a strong constitution.
My father gave me my strong constitution. I have a
really strong body. He died it when I was nine
(20:18):
years old. Off I'll call it. So if you're if
you are an alcoholic, you have a strong constitution. Because
you've a weak constitution. You can't get You can't right
because it'll take you out. You don't have the ability
to put that into your body without without your body
saying no, you can't do that.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's interesting.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
The alcoholic have this very strong constitution. And I got
my dad's a strong constitution.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Something that made me think about the factors of well
even that the strong constitution, like the emotional and mental
kind of parts of what you can read on people's faces,
and then also like the past, so like you and mine,
we talked a lot about like instability in my childhood
and I've talked openly about this on the podcast, and
it was that I grew up in an alcoholic calm
(20:59):
as well. It's very different now, but that and I
think you also said that in my reading, which was like,
I was, how does he know this from looking at
my face? So how do you like? What are you
looking at? That you can go? You probably had an
instable childhood. It might have looked like this or that
or whatever, like how are you reading that on someone's face?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
There different things. Ears are very important, Okay. In traditional
Chinese medicine word for genetics, they call it ancestral energy
comes through your kidneys. It's called kidney jing. Well, if
we get into just energetic principles, I remember as I
got deeply into energy medicine and I got bored, certifined
an acupuncture, and I did some techniques that I worked
(21:40):
with energy balance. I used the technique called BEST it's
for bio Energetic Synchronization technique. It's developed by doctor Ted Mortar.
I was fascinated with it because I'm a bucket face
and I'm fascinated about everything. As I worked with this,
I got into kerts and these different energies. So I
would put people into a state of five twenty hurts.
(22:00):
I developed a technique that allowed me to put that in.
So the question is, what is what's so cool about
five twenty eight? Well, it's hurts of the word love.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
I listened to that every morning.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah. Yeah, Michael Turell. Sadly he passed away, but he
does incredible stuff. Yeah. And I never told anybody what
I was doing because I thought if I really told
him I was doing, I removed all doubt from their
mind that I'm crazy and they wouldn't come back. Hard
to help people if they don't come back, right. So
I had this Southern gal and she's doctor Todd, what
are you doing? And I go, uh, I don't understand.
(22:33):
What are you doing? And I said, once again, I
don't understand. She said, well, you touch me here and
to do this, and you do this and I feel better.
But what are you doing? And I said, well, it's
kind of like a polarity balance and she said, well,
I'd really like to know what you're doing. And I
got this check out my spirit like, don't go over there,
(22:55):
and I finally just said, look, I it is my
belief that I'm do you to do a state of
five twenty eight. And that's the hurts of the word love.
I said, what's very significant is other words have a
vibration rate. Hate and anger have a vibrational rate of
one hundred. Fear is about one twenty five. And I said,
(23:15):
what even makes that more significant? Diseases have a vibrational rate.
There's nothing wrong with cancer. The vibration rate of cancer,
depending on the cancer is forty about forty two one hundred.
So if hate and anger are a big part of
your life, you're bringing your body's energy down to a
place where cancer can say, hey, I can grow here
and nobody's gonna bug me. And she bursts into tears
(23:38):
on the table. I why should I should have listened
to that? Checked my spirit? And she said you did
not know my husband, did you? And I said no,
I didn't. She said, I loved him, but he was
a hateful man. Everybody hated him. He was mean, he
just he was just not a nice human being. And
(23:59):
he died of state for pancreatic cancer.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
And she says, doctor Tidd, you have to share this
with the world. That was one of those moments in
my life that I went okay, I must change from
this point forward, and I began sharing with people what
I was doing. I'll never forget one day it was
this gallant. I just loved her. She was just the
sweetest thing. Her name was Mary, and she was out
my waiting room. I was very busy, and at the
(24:24):
end of the day I realized I didn't see Mary,
and I said to my staff, Oh, was I so
far behind that Mary had to leave? I could, Oh, no,
I go. Can I ask why she was here? Was
she buying someone or something? She goes, No, she just
comes and sits here. She likes the energy of the office.
(24:44):
So I would treat fifty to sixty people in the day.
Fifty to sixty people went into a state of five
twenty eight. Nobody stays there, I don't. I think Christ did,
probably Gandhi did. I Buddha probably did. But I think
my paint and my walls to the energy of five
point twenty eight. And my staff said, she's not the
only one. I'm thinking Googos just sits in the doctor's
(25:09):
office because they feel better. You do You do you
think that improved my success right with patients? I think
very much.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Absolutely. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So you know, when it comes to hate. The answer
and the answer always is love, and it's math. We
can knock out five haters by loving. So the path
has always been math in life. Yeah again, I'm a
buck to face, so math it's a big thing. So
I have these people that, oh, I hate Trump, I
(25:38):
hate the comment. Really, how's that working for you? What
disease are you inviting into your body?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I had some gal with a lot of left sided indicators,
and I said this, you got some issues. There's some
anger with a male, there's some stress with a male.
Well it's Trump, really, and I just share it. I said,
I hate him, and I go, okay, I respect that.
I mean he's look, he's not a likable guy. No
(26:09):
one's gonna look at him and say, boy, he's arm
and fuzzy. But I said, your hatred for him, and
I explained the five, twenty eight and the hundred kind
of thing, and she was kind of quiet on death.
On the other end. I was doing a facial diagnosis
on her end, and I said, you know, just some thoughts.
You can take from it what you wish. But I
(26:29):
guess I hate hate. It's an interesting thing, and I
just I think we can just try to put love
wherever we can, try to make a difference in this
life and see what happens from there.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Well, I love that you touched on the fact of
how hate is impacting us physically though, too, because I
mean I've always talked a little bit about stored emotions
and what they're doing to our bodies.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
But they're damaging. They damaging, profoundy damaging.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Yeah, And so that's interesting that you're treating patients by
actually just putting them more in the love frequency, so
then their own bodies can heal themselves.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Is that what you're removing the obstacle to the care
and what's not allowing them to get wrong?
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Mentioned that you do teachings for just the regular folks
like us that aren't doctors. What would be the benefit
of us understanding people's faces?
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Know thyself? But really, when you know more, you can
be a difference. I had a patient, I had seen her,
worked with her, and she did well, and she came
back two years later, and she had aged twenty five
years in three years. In two years. I mean, she
just looked nothing, and she had all kinds of health issues,
(27:51):
immune problems, pains with like no fibermality, chronic fatigue syndrome,
which are terms that we don't know what it is,
but you're in a lot of pain and you're tired.
We just give it names so we could develop a drug.
And I said to her, you know what happened? She
said she was Mormon and her husband was a bishop,
which is top in that geographical area. Top guy ran
(28:15):
the show. My husband left me for his secretary, and
my life just and then collapsed. And so I'm looking
at her and her pupils were on level. Okay, okay,
And that's a sign that's been a traumatic brain injury.
That's one of the key indicators of a TBI traumatic
brain injury, concussion. I said to her, you've had a
(28:37):
traumatic brain injury. I said to her, you had an
emotional concussion. And she said what I And I remember thinking,
what just came out of my much?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You didn't even know.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I know I both of those words, and it's the
first time I ever used those words. A matter of fact,
I'm being encouraged to write another book called The Emotional Concussion. Yeah,
I'll be a hard pass on that, but I would
read it. Yeah, Well, I think the title of itself
I said, you've had trauma to your brain and you've
(29:09):
injured your brain, just as if you hit your hand
on the concrete, but it was an emotional concussion. And
I said, you've been diagnosed as depressed, right, and she's
I have. I said drugs didn't work, that they made
me feel worse. I said, you're not depressed, and she said, well,
doctor Todd, there you're wrong. Yeah, I get your comment.
(29:31):
But the D word that describes you as despair, there's hopelessness.
And I watched her eyes change in front of me,
and she got better that day in a consultation.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Because it was acknowledged.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Because she her brain understood I am not depressed. This
is despair. There's hopeless and the body said hopeless. Okay,
let me do some things. So I said, look, we'll
do a work up on you. I'll recommend some thing,
but I'm going to ask you. She was crying fatigue.
I said, IM want to ask you to walk ten
minutes a day, walk five minutes away from the house
(30:07):
and five minutes back. And I said, the moment you
feel you can walk ten minutes and then fifty, well,
it was like a miracle. And she reversed aging. Within
three months, she was a totally different person. She became
(30:27):
a very successful real estate ancient and choice was at home.
You know, she raised the kids a good Mormon wife
than she was. Yeah, that's not a slam. Motherhood is
the toughest profession in the world with no pay. So
how many guys would sign up for that? Not one?
I mean if men had babies, we'd have one. And
(30:48):
that I'm not doing that again, just like thanks for
no thing right. The female has a different take on that.
It was amazing to watch her heel. I did very
little for her other than made her brain aware that
an event that changed her. And it's just the power
(31:10):
of words are phenomenal and we just we don't respect
them enough both sides. We say hateful things in a
text that we would not say to someone's face, and
we say incredibly positive things one it's very important, so
we need to work on both ends that spectrum.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Well, I always say on this podcast, I think one
of the biggest human needs is being seen, and so
that totally ties into that. Her brain, even our brains
are so fascinating how they are constantly trying to keep
us safe, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And knowing face reading allowed me to be a better doctor,
because sure, you have some fire energy. I have very
narrowness to your face, which makes you very sensitive. So
I don't do when you come in. Look, you've got
four things in trouble. You've got to jump on this
right now. I mean, you'll stand there, but you're never
(32:06):
coming back. What I would say to you is, look,
you've got four things going on, but with your sensitivity,
we can't attack four things. We'll work in one area.
Normally I support this with two or three things, but
let's start with one thing, and let's let's do a
half dose just to respect your sensitivity. I'm always using
that word and a little tear comes out of the
(32:27):
corner and you think, oh my god, somebody finally understands
me and your bucket quality. I would go, look, i'm
giving you this, this fish oil, but you'll know that.
You got to know why I'm giving it to you. Yeah,
But the whole time, I'm patting your other back, because
we like a pad in the back. We right, I'll say, look,
there's two many things in fishial. One it's called EPA,
which is very cardio protected, and then there's DHA, which
(32:49):
is very cognitively protective as the bucket. I'm going to say, look,
this is higher in Dha because this is going to
help your brain think and work better. Well, you're all
in because now, of course, and if I'm talking to
your tree quality, which is your third face, tree face
is deeply rooting. You take the winds of life better
than any other. Face. Like to grow on your old
don't like to be trimmed back. But your gift to
(33:12):
mankind is ability to spread your branches and protect. You
make the best bosses, You make the best parent. I
wish every child had a tree face parent in their life. Now.
The problem I have with my female tree faces, they
were so into taking care of others they forgot to
take care of themselves. I would speak to you, I'd say, look,
you love helping others, don't you, Oh, doctor Todd, I do.
And I'd just quietly say, well what if you couldn't
(33:33):
do that? And then the tear comes out of the corner.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Well I have to cry right now, So I said.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
How about we spend little time working on you. She
can do what God put you on this earth to
do with your intellect and your sensitivity. Isn't you so
you would be a tough patient to talk to because
I'd have to figure out which person I should talk to. Yeah,
three different faces that you.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Okay, So when you mentioned that at the beginning of
the podcast you were talking about me, I thought that
is a general thing.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
No, no, no, no, okay, you have three different faces?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Fascinating. So most people have how many?
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Like two?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Okay? So is that why I have a hard time
understanding myself sometimes?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Oh? Absolutely, absolutely?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But really, in the perfect world, you'd have nine faces
one ninth of everything. Okay, nobody has that.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Nobody has that.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Well.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
So you also mentioned like the right and left side
being very different, right, and so one is masculine and
one is feminine.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Right, and how do you remember what's what? His mom's
always right. That's so the right side is because let's
face the moms are right, and it's really the right eye.
When I do this diagnosis, if you're watched any of
my videos, I'm always about what phase shape you are
and what your right eye left eye tell us about you.
So your right eye is what you show to the world,
is your public persona, it's what you want. The rule
is see energetic, you're throwing so much any out there.
(34:54):
Nobody can see the left side, and it's your mother's influence.
The left side is your true, inner, private self, and
it's your father's influence. The number of females that I
see that have a deep line underneath their left eye
and it just crosses their cheekbone. That's in adrenaline. It's
stressed for me. And they got puffiness in their upper eyelid,
(35:16):
only not in the right, only in the that's the
gallbletder gall better. They don't digest fats their products. But
the emotion of the gall buttter's anger. It's internalized anger
and has to do with the male. It's uncomfortable and unnerving.
How often I see that on a female?
Speaker 1 (35:32):
What do you think the biggest lesson you've learned from
reading faces is we all have a story.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
You got a story, I get a story. My story
is my first two children ied. Little girl named Katie
lived about twenty minutes, didn't breathe and didn't survive. My
son Brady was born. I was in my medical training,
also didn't breathe lived five months of your brain damage
and died in their arms. So brutal, you know. I
(36:01):
had three children after that. Casey, my beautiful daughter, my
son Toby Casey. For sure we would have had Toby
odds are yes. But my co author of the book,
my beautiful daughter Abby, she wouldn't have been on this earth. Now.
In our book, we have vertical life lessons and lifeless
Number eight is facial diagnosis changes how you see people.
(36:24):
This is the answer to your question. We've been I'm
gonna read it's very short. We've been reading faces for
total of nearly forty years and we have studied hundreds
of face while writing this book, trying to find the
perfect example of each face, a shape, and feature. We
can't even count the number of times we uttered one
a wonderful face. And these are the words that would
have never come out of this earth. And something fantastic
(36:46):
about learning to read faces as you stop looking at
people as more or less pretty. When you learn to
read faces, every person becomes a beautiful, unique individual. To
see strength is inspiring and motivating. Seeing weaknesses increases awareness
and empathy and helps you become more kind. Facial diagnosis
doesn't help you to become a better doctor. It helps
me become a better person. So those words would have
(37:10):
never ended up on the pages of a book. I
had my first two children not had the and they lived.
So you know, we all got a story, and everybody's
story would just make us all shake our heads like,
well I could not have handled that. And yet we
all do, you know, and we make choices. And I
(37:32):
remember having my acupuncture mentor a brilliant man, just doctor
Richard Yanny. I love this man. I was a young doctor.
I was young and brilliant. Let me say it that way,
only one of those adjectives. He said, looking, you go
through three phases in your career. And he said the
first phase is survival, and I go, yeah, I can
read it that. You know, this was the Mercedes eighties,
(37:54):
by the way, everybody was into how much you made
in what cars you were driving. And the first face
is survival, and I thought, yeah, I'm in that survival.
You don't come out of the shoot successful as a position.
You've got to own your trade. You got to get people,
you got to make a difference in their life, and
then they refer and you build a practice. And he said,
now the second phase is going to go through his success.
(38:14):
This is during the Mercedes eighties. What's better than success?
To which I thought that exact thought that I was
probably twenty eight years old at the time. I'm seventy
two now. And he just let this pregnant pause lay
there and he says, you're all wondering what is better
than success? And he says and then the word is significance.
(38:35):
I've been successful, and I've known many very successful people.
I've known many successful people that were miserable, sobs, that
were disgusting, hateful future humans. I've never met anyone of
significance that didn't have a depth of joy that was palpable.
And so, look, I've been successful. It's nice, got more things,
(38:59):
but I'd rather be significant. I love that that is that.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
To me, I can't say anything to even top that.
So I'm going to end the podcast on that because
that this got way more spiritual than I even anticipated.
But this was exactly what this I was going to say,
This is exactly what this podcast is about. So I
really I just so appreciate you sharing your knowledge with
us but also your heart, because that was that's so
(39:27):
in line with what we do here on this podcast,
and I just wish more of us could connect this way,
because that's why we're all here in my opinion. So
I'm going to put the link to this book that
you mentioned. It's called WTF Why the Face? A Practical
Guide to Understanding health and personality through facial Diagnosis, and
also the link to where people can come have a
(39:47):
reading with you if they want to do that. And you, guys,
it is fascinating. You know that I love stuff like this,
but I really did learn a lot about myself and
even just some of the things I need to look
out for in my life. So I'll put all of
that in a scription of this podcast for you, guys,
Doctor Todd, thank you so much for.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
Being for us, absolutely lovely. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
It was an Thank you guys so much for listening.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
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