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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
It just feels like it's one long, awful day, even
as the sun has risen on southern California. And there
is some good news. That auto fire that immerged into
a county completely contained and that was fifty six acres
the Palisades Fire. They continue to get some control there
almost twenty four thousand acres, but eight people lost their
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lives in that fire, and they eat and fire sixteen deaths.
It is thirty five percent contained with just over fourteen
thousand acres affected. Well, Phil Brock is going to join
us now. And Phil was the former mayor of Santa Monica,
the second generation of Santa Monica. And I think and
I wanted to get a state of the state on
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a situation that even in all that time, Phil, I
don't know if you've ever seen anything quite like this.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Hi, you know I'm seventy one years old now and
born in Santa Monica. The Palisades has been part of
my normal travels on a daily basis all my life.
And to see a community that I've walked in the
July fourth Parade annually for the last few years. And
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to see go up to the Palisades to see the
Christmas decorations, to shop at Gelson's, the shop at Routes,
to go to the Palisades Village, to eat and hike
all through the Palisades monthly is just heartbreaking. A real community,
not just part of La the metro area, but the
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Palisades was able to maintain its own family centric community
with their own theater, the women's club, all the different
things that made up the Palisades. Will Rogers Park and
his historic house is heartbreaking. It's beyond comprehension.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Almost Yeah, I guess that's what I was saying.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
They're just really nothing in our history, even over generations,
that approaches this.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
No, not at all. And last Tuesday night, seeing the
horror and fold from my window on sam Mancini Boulevard
and looking out the window, I took a picture at
midnight and the entire sky was red. Armageddon had come
to the Palisades, was on the doorstep of Santa Monica.
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And I looked around my house as I evacuated a
day later, and looked and felt that I was abandoning
the museum of my life, and I'm sure that's how
everyone who lost their home feels. Yes, they're alive, but
they've lost their artifacts. They've lost their own personal museum,
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something that holds deer. When you walk into a house
and you know where that snow globe came from, you
know where that painting came from, and it's got to
be just heartbreaking. I attended a mass on Sunday at
Saint Monica's Church in Santa Monica. That was they hosted
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the Corpus Christie congregation and Corpus Christi, the church and
school where I worked forty years ago as a pe teacher.
And to see them, the hugs and the tears and
the sobbing and Saint Monica's on Sunday was heartbreaking. But
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it also we all know that we're resilient, and yeah,
so many are going to suffer PTSD from this, but
many people will still rise after this because ultimately we
have to rise and we have to help. If we
didn't get damaged in this ah this disaster, that we
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need to wrap our arms around our neighbors from the Palisades,
the neighbors in in the eating fire and alta Dina
and give them a hug and help lead them forward
with compassion.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, and that hug can take many forms. I mean,
there are all these GoFundMe sites and there are so
many people individuals who lost their homes and the eaten
fire and across town in the Palisades, in Malibu, et cetera.
But the thing you said that really just lands with
me having had to evacuate, having lost a neighborhood to
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fire and the Getty fire, is that it the home.
And you hear this all the time, Well, you've lost
the home, but at least you're all safe. Yes, But
that home had the contents of my life. And when
you say it was the museum of it's the museum
of our lives. That's a terrific almost poetic way to
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say it. Because in even just the text of your home,
the walls, the place, the perspectives that you have when
you look out the window, when you see your front yard,
whatever it may be, it's all that's your history. That's
your personal history. So losing that is a terrifically powerful
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emotional experience. And it has nothing to do with stuff.
The stuff can be replaced, but those things that are
essentially reverberating off of that physical presence of the home.
That is a very very powerful emotional thing.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yeah, and for some you know, that will be with
them forever. I mean, it's in some ways what they
experienced in Pacific Palisades last Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and they're
still experiencing. This morning, I was watching the Aero photos
and going, oh, there's Palisays High School. There's where the
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women's club was. Just before I was born, my mother
lived briefly on Haver, which was behind Mayfair now the
Galson's Market, which has also now gone, and her old
house is gone. So many people lost their familiar surroundings.
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And I look around the room I'm seeing in right now,
which is my home office, and looking around at the books,
the photos of family, my college diploma, a quote signed
by John Wooden, things in this room, and imagine coming
home to find no home, to find none of those
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great artifacts of your life. And that doesn't matter whether
you're in a small apartment or a house. It's the
familiar things that you could coon with. Those are the
things that are so important to your life. And as
you said, Mark, the familiarity of coming home and looking
out your front door, looking at out your windows and
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knowing where your spatul is or where your pot or
pan is is so comforting to our human psyche. And
to lose all that, to lose it is so tragic.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So I want to ask you about the politics for
a minute, because you are deeply steeped in politics, city
politics and the connectivity between different communities.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
And then the FEDS.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And I was talking in the last hour about how
we're going to seek federal relief and how the federal
relief seems to be you know, at least their murmurings,
they'll be ties, they'll be conditions, etc. I wonder if
you could handicap that process for us briefly.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Well, I think you hear some politicians now in LA
and California trying to mute their criticism of the incoming
president to make sure that funds are distributed equitably. I mean,
the government exists to help you in times of emergency.
I just left the mayorship in Santa Monica in early December,
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and I talked incessantly about public safety, about the need
to fund police, the need to fund fire, to need
to make sure our streets Alley's community is safe. Well,
now take this, take what I just said and put
it on a national scale. We can't play politics with this.
We can't do he said.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
She said.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
We shouldn't right now blame anyone. We need to move
forward and try again and take now the government's big
arms and hug people and make sure that we as
a community has a larger community, try to do our
best to help our citizens, our residents, because look at
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that's what government exists for. Bottom line, government exists for,
as we used to say, the common defense, and the
common defense is of our houses, our communities, our county,
our state, and our federal government working together. We can't
play someone's Democrats, someone's Republican. Well, we're not going to
give them ade. Now, maybe their fire hydrants are empty.
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What the hell happened? We all know. We're going to
ask those questions and try and seek more answers. But
the aid that people need from FEMA, the aid that
people need from the government, because frankly, La City, La County,
and the state of California could not do this alone.
The resources have to come partly from the federal government.
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And all these people, thousands who have lost their houses
all paid into the federal government every year. Thank you,
since they were fifteen or sixteen exactly.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
We've paid in and we deserve at least the benefit
of some relief at this critical time. Phil Brock, you
put things so beautifully.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Thank you. Love having you on with us today at KFI,
and let's stay in touch.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Mark, oh goodbye, the former longtime mayor Santamonic and resident
of that entire region for two generations. With a perspective
on what's going on, not only there, but in southern California,
Devor Mark just sitting.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
In the.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Newsroom chair, keep us updated on breaking news. Jacob's here
as well, Keana. We've talked about so many different aspects
to this fire. We talked about the federal relief. We
talked about the origins of the different fires from the
Eton blaze, the lawsuits that are emerging. A little bit later,
we're going to discuss the animal situation. Animal Rescue received
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a lot of information and also a lot of inquiries
about what's happening in foster's transport, donations, volunteering, and that's
across the board.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
It's not just animals.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
But I'm saying we've talked a lot about the physical structures,
the way that the region's been engulfed by flames, so
many losing so much, and will now in a few
moments get to the animal situation. There is looting going on,
which is, you know, another level of grotesque. But residents
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are now hiring private security companies to patrol their neighborhoods
and to guard their residences during this aftermath when they
can't go back in. As I mentioned to you before,
I mean, I've been evacuated in our neighborhood you lost
to that Getty fire. They wouldn't let anybody back in,
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not just for a few hours, not just for day,
not just for two days. It was, as I recall,
four days before we were allowed back in. Because a
lot of these structures that have burned are not completely gone,
and so you have potentially very dangerous structural issues. It's
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a little well like what happens after a quake, same thing.
So oftentimes these evacuation zones are not repopulated by the
people who actually live in the neighborhoods for a long time.
That leaves a real opportunity for those who want to
do their looting, and sometimes they're one offs, and sometimes
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they're gangs. It's despicable. I mean, it's gross, but it happens.
And so those with means and those who are pooling
resources with other neighbors are hiring security companies, but there
is a hitch. Security companies are having trouble getting past
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those barriers and those evacuation zones.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
Also, some victims of the Palisades fire have returned home
to survey the damage, only to find their homes were
broken into.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
How could anybody take advantage of people that had already
been affected by a fire?
Speaker 7 (13:00):
Mr Rosetti had it happened to him.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
I noticed that somebody had kicked in the dining room door.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Rosetti, grateful as home hadn't burned, had waited nearly twelve
hours Saturday, to get back up into his Palisade's house
to grab medicine and important papers.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
I mean, think about that, It's only twelve hours. It
wasn't even the one day, two day, three day, four
day thing that I just talked about. Twelve hours. These
despicable opportunists, they jumped right into a situation, a devastating situation,
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and they loot.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
And that's when he saw he'd been burglarized.
Speaker 6 (13:41):
Somebody got into the house, but I wasn't able to
determine what they took because it was too dark to see. It.
Clearly wasn't firefighters because there was no fire at the
house to get into and it was not a place
where it would be the first sight of entry.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Looting is a huge worry for those with homes still
standing in both the Palisades and eaten fires. Someone even
impersonated a firefighter to break into a house in the Palisades.
Speaker 8 (14:08):
We really felt strongly we needed to.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Help Sierra Swinny works private security.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
By the way, that was really wild seeing the you saw, Deborah,
didn't you the guy? There were two of them that
I saw anyway, that had impersonated firefighters that have the
yellow slickers.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 9 (14:26):
I can't believe that we share we breathe the same
air as some of these people.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Thank you. Couldn't agree more.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
Felt strongly we needed to help.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Sierra Swinny works private security in the Central Valley and
is now guarding homes in the burn zone.
Speaker 8 (14:38):
We're ready, We're watching.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
So is LAPD and the National Guard on patrol. But
homeowners we talked to aren't confident they can keep things secure.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
They're just understaffed and they have a lot of other
things to deal with. I mean, it's not really their fault.
I'm sure they're doing the best they can. But yes, no,
we're very worried about it.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
I'm getting calls and NonStop for the last three days,
twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
Craig Paul of ASC Security says, entire blocks are asking
for help.
Speaker 6 (15:04):
It's ten fifteen families together are hiring us to watch
the entire street.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Hey that's smart, that's really smart. I mean, you have
an ongoing situation. We just told you. It's sometimes a
handful of hours before looters move in. It's smart to
put the neighborhood plan together to hire a private security company.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
Rosetti and his neighbors are considering the same.
Speaker 6 (15:26):
I jammed the chair up against it to security in
some way, and then I left.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
He and others are frustrated by the lack of information
from their local officials about when they can get back
to their homes.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
It's the not knowing that is the most.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Difficulty, sure, and it's also not everybody has the means
to hire private security. I mean, that's why you're seeing
a lot of looting in areas that aren't necessarily the
super high end areas. But the other issue is that
a lot of these security companies are not even able
to get past these evacuation no one's being allowed back
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in That same dance is being played out when it
comes to rescuing animals. So these animal rescue outfits, they
get calls and emails saying, hey, I left my cat
my dog, which may strike us as weird, like how
could you evacuate without your cat or your dog? And
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the answer is I suspect twofold. We'll get into this
a little bit when we come back. But one is
maybe it was hard to wrangle the cat or the dog.
They're frightened, you can't get them, and you're having to
get out in a hurry. Also, I think there's a
quality of, oh, this isn't going.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
To be long.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I'll be back within a day, and rather than disrupted,
I don't have to carry your handy. I mean, again,
for those of us who deal with this all the time,
you're going to hide on it. Well, I mean I
don't know how you can possibly rationalize leaving them behind,
But all right, so it happens. It happens in the
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds, and so these rescue organizations
get this word, they try to go in and they
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can't get past the barriers. So it's not just the
security companies, it's a lot of these, if you will,
deputized rescuers who can't get in. That's something that has
to change when we do this dance again, and we will.
There have to be systems in place so that these
registered security companies, certified security people can get through. And
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it has to be done in a way that there's
a verifiable aspect of this.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Maybe it's a QR code. I don't know what the
answer is. Maybe there's a better id that can prove
essentially the bona fidis of who's trying to get through
a barrier than a QR code. I just that's the
thing that comes to mind. Maybe there's some official document
that all of these guys carry men and women who
are involved in security in rescue, they're certified. There has
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to be a memorandum of understanding between them and the
city and the county and the state so that they're
able to do the important heavy lifting that's done by
those who aren't necessarily operating in an official capacity, that
is to say, police officers or fire department officials.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I will tell you that the.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Mayor of Los Angeles, Karen Bass, is going to have
a presser soon, will of course carry it live. And
I also wanted to mention to you because it's been
mentioned to me that when we're talking about leaving animals behind,
that many people were at work when the evacuation order
came in and they didn't have the chance to evacuate
with their animal, and for that reason that animals were
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left behind in some instances. So I heard from several
people that that was the case, and so it presents
an issue. Right once you evacuated an area, there are
animals left behind, and you can't get back into that
evacuated area, even if the area involves your home, which
when I say home, I mean apartment, whatever is, condo, etc.
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That hasn't necessarily been destroyed by fire. So the question
of what's happening with these animals and wildlife as well,
she'll be answered right now. Judy Mancuso joins just she's
the founder and CEO president of Social Compassion and Legislation
and Judy first welcome to KOFIVE.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Thank you, Mark.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Tell me what the state of the state is on
rescuing so many of these animals that were left behind.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
How big a problem is that?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
And then what other animal issues kind of intersect with that?
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Okay, thank you so much. Well, because people were left
them behind for whatever reason that was, including large animals, dogs, cats, goats, chickens.
La City shelters, La County shelters have had a void
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in telling the public was to do, like, Hey, tell
us your address and we'll assist you to get back
and get your animal. Pasadena Humane who oversees the Altadena
Pasadena area, they've done a much better job. They were
on top of it right away. But as far as
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La City, La County, it's been absolutely quiet. And with
your help, we finally got them to send out an
email today with a link for everyone. But what happened
in the void is all these disparate rescue groups have
stepped up, people certified FEMA certified or not and taking
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these addresses with people's permission and getting in there and
retrieving their animals. In some case they find no animal
and they leave water and food. Other cases they do
find bodies and they take a picture for closure to
the pet family and you know, but you know there's
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happy reunions. We have some going today, we had some
last night and it's been ongoing. We found this little
dog oreo for the owner that's been all over TV.
So yeah, there are some still alive and we need
to get them because in some cases, when the family
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asked to go get their animal their house was still standing.
They said no, there was you know, no place for
them organized to say, hey, help me, and then the
fire came back. And now the fire's gone and the
animal's gone. So time is of the essence, and there
are protocols and ways to handle this in an organized fashion.
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It's just they're not They have not stepped up to
do it.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
So two things strike me. One is they're sort of like,
we're trying to stop the bleeding right now. You know,
the animals need rescuing right this instant, and they reach
your rescue group. When I say that your rescue group,
I know you deal with a lot of different rescue
groups and we can touch on that quickly or our
time is short. But and they say here's my address,
go in, and then when you get there, you're saying
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you can't get through because it's an evacuation zone. So yes, yeah,
what's the way to stop that bleeding? I guess what
I'm saying, what's the way to bridge that gap right now?
Is there any way? You said that the city has
stepped up a little bit, a little.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Bit, they have a lost and found length, But no,
the real way is to agree to these memorandum of
understandings to get search and rescue folks and help with evacuation.
And they have not moved on any of those.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Well who's the key on that?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I mean, what part of the city hall or county
it needs to be reached on that?
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Well, you know, we've been getting a lot of nobody
knows kind of things. And for city I'm having a
call with council Member Bloomenfield's office. We've reached right out
to the Mayor's office, to Jacqueline Hamilton in her office,
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and I still haven't heard anything back. Neither has cal Animals,
who is the number one authority in the state on evacuation.
They have offered their services for free and should have
been in here days and days ago.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
So this is this is Mayor Bass and the county supervisors.
This is what has to happen. They've got to respond
to this is what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
And yes, the buck stops there.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Okay, So you know both domestic animals and wild animals
need help from many of these rescuers, and if they
are certified rescuers, they should gain access to these areas.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Yes, give us a website so that we are able
to at least continue this conversation and people who want
to reach you and follow through can help. And I
know you also have lists of charities that are associated
with the animal work and animal rescue that you believe in.
Is it Socialcompassion dot org.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
Yes, Yes, that's it. That's as easy it is Socialcompassion
dot org. The homepage will be putting up live information
as we get it. I'm doing email blasts letting everybody
know what's happening. We're on social media at Social Compassion
on Instagram, Facebook, and like I said, I am on
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this all day long. We're having a meeting at noon
with the council member's office. We're going to get to
the bottom of this and we're going to push, push,
push until they're doing the right thing.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Bass County Soups step up on this one. It's important.
I mean, animal disaster responders are waiting to respond, but
they've got to get to these areas.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Thank you, Judy, Thank you so much. Thank your Judy.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Manan Kostia from the president of she's the president of
Social Compassion in legislation. So again, that website is socialcompassion
dot org. This eluting that is going on. There's robbery
and looting. These are opportunists. They're despicable, they're disgusting. I mean,
we've all had the same thoughts about arsonists, about looters.
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When I say the same thoughts, I mean, it's just,
you know, you go to a dark place when you
think about the revenge and the penalty that should be
levied against these despicable people. There's absolutely no justification. You know,
I'm very tough on law and order. This is beyond
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any kind of reasonable notion one has about a civil society.
We cannot live with people in our society who set
fires and rob holmes that have been evacuated because of
a crisis involving in emerging fire situation. These people have
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run for their lives. They grabbed what few possessions and
creatures surround them, and they leave the home behind and
looters go in and take their stuff. It's disgusting. It's
another level of disgusting. So you'll be encouraged to know
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that they did file burglary charges against at least six
of the people who law enforcement authorities at least said
we're arrested in recent days in the Altadena and Pacific
Palisage area. Five men and one woman. I used to
think women Deborah were above this crowd.
Speaker 5 (26:58):
Oh again, we're not.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Five men and one woman accused of first degree residential burglary.
These are break ins that allegedly took place last Wednesday.
That's the day after the largest fire started and the
fire officials rapidly expanded the evacuation areas. This is a
panic that we were all in, and these people took
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advantage of that panic. Other arrests from the Eton fire
evacuation zone. Those are made over the weekend. Four men
accused of entering the area unlawfully. One man was accused
of interfering with emergency workers. And I just hope that
they these people, you can put them somewhere and I
don't care when we ever see him again. Thirty four
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fire related arrests since Tuesday. According to the La County
Sheriff's Department, deputies made thirty four fire related arrests two
Sunday night. Sometimes they can't, you know, they get them
for curfew violations. There's that drone incident. I mean, that's
another This is yet another area.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
Who's flying a drone when we have these wildfires and
super scoopers trying to help.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
It's a it's illegal, there's an FAA restriction, you're not
allowed to fly them. B you can have an incident
along the lines of what we had, which is one
of those super scoopers taken out a commission for days
because the drone hit the scooper. It's it's just unconscionable. So, Deborah,
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didn't you mention to me something about your neighborhood and
what was going on there? You had you kind of
got like a neighborhood group that has handled some of
these emerging issues, so that like if they are facing
a potential looting situation, you guys sort of get together
and discuss it ahead of time.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
Yeah, well, last week, a guy riding on a mountain
bike and this is just after the West Hills slash
Calabasas fire. The Kenneth fire broke out and some neighbors
spotted a guy with a blow torch, riding a mountain
bike and apparently trying to set things on fire Christmas trees,
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trash cans, homes, and so these neighbors tackled the guy
until police came, and so they were trying to connect
this guy with the Kenneth fire, but they they haven't
been able to do that. But so they they didn't
arrest him for arson. They arrested him on felony, on
a felony probation violation. I see, But I'm talking this
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guy was seen with a blow torch in my neighborhood
trying to set fires, and so yeah, I'm going to
tell you something, at least in my neighborhood, people are
people are pissed, and people are on the lookout for
arsonists and and people that are trying to take advantage
of people. I mean, it's it's beyond.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
It's another level of ugly. That's exactly right. And this
is the shat. You know, they had to get that
guy on a violation of parole. They couldn't actually get
him on I mean, here he is with all that
arsen stuff. You just described and they can't quite get
him for arson because they didn't see the actual moment
that he ignited the flames. The LAPD reporting fourteen arrests
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in the Palisades fire area. One for impersonation of a firefighter.
We discussed that earlier. I mean, that's just you know again,
you know, ugly taking yet another form. There was an
arrest for possession of burglary tools. For arrests for burglary,
one for driving under the influence, one for vandalism, three
for shoplifting. I mean, I don't know what the profile
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of one of these looters is. It sounds like they're
different profiles. That is something I'd love to ask law
enforcement official and will at some point, maybe even later
this week. Three people arrested in Santa Monica near the
Palisades Fire evacuation zone. They had burglary tools in their possession.
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It's honestly, as we see the community come together and
it's so uplifting to see so much good. It's a
reminder that you know, not everybody it's a small percentage,
but wow, it only takes a small percentage to wreck
a community, and this world of arson and looting, it's
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another level of ugly and there should be penalties that
will have a chilling effect on it ever happening again.
If you see enough people going away for a long time,
you'll think twice before you engage in arson, looting, or
any other related activity. When we come back, next hour,
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big stuff. Where's my next hour sheet? I know we
have a great hour here. It is quickly well. Checking
with ABC News their investigative report. Olivia Rubin talks about
the Hegsith confirmation hearing and Jack Smith's final report. Royal
Oaks joins us in the next hour as well, and
we'll talk about that.
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