June 27, 2025 • 27 mins
#SWAMPWATCH / Clara Harter, LA Time Staff Writer - California veterans fight to fast-track study of ‘lifesaving’ psychedelic therapy. AI-Generated Fake News.
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Speaker 4 (01:33):
Morning, the Supreme Court has delivered a monumental victory for
the Constitution, the separation of powers.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
And the rule of law.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
That's President Trump. This is Ali Honig, a former assistant
US attorney.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
I think this is a fundamental shift in the balance
between the powers of the presidency and the powers of
the court.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
This is James Sample. He works at Hofstra Law School.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
A case like birthright citizenship might be that kind of
classic case where the Constitution needs to mean the same
thing across the nation. You don't really want a scenario,
whatever your position is on the policy issue of birthright citizenship,
where citizenship means different things in different places. In terms
of the Trump administration, they are no doubt dancing in
(02:18):
the White House right now about this ruling, because these
nationwide injunctions, they're not limited to birthright citizenship.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
And Andrew McCarthy, an editor in chief, I believe of
a national review.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I don't know that the triumphalism about the ultimate result
in the birthright citizenship case is warranted, because I think
they may very well lose that. But as far as
Trump moving his agenda, having judges no longer able to
stop him at whim is obviously a big victory for him.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, Now, this is not about the Fourteenth Amendment. This
was not the case that looks at the merits of
birthright citizenship. This is a procedural thing because the Supreme
Court has blocked the lower courts from issuing universal injunctions,
from issuing nationwide injunctions, something that had impacted executive orders
(03:12):
from this president and other presidents. Biden complained about universal injunctions.
Obama complained about universal injunctions. George W. Bush complained about
universal injunctions. Part of the reason that this is attached
to Trump, obviously the timing of it it's happening during
his administration, but also because of the number of universal
(03:36):
injunctions that have been placed against him. So he referred
to it as a colossal abuse of power and said,
now that this is out of the way, maybe we
can get to the issue of actual birthright citizenship and
whether or not the fourteenth Amendment should apply the way
it's been applied in the past.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Thanks to this decision, we can now promptly file to
proceed with numerous policies that have been wrongly enjoined on
a nationwide basis, And some of the cases we're talking
about would be ending birthright citizenship, which now comes to
the fore that was meant for the babies of slaves.
It wasn't meant for people trying to scam the system
(04:17):
and come into the country on a vacation.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So the group, by the way, that has been suing
over birthright citizenship and the executive order to end it,
has now taken what the Supreme Court wrote in the
opinion and the descent and is trying to refile the case.
This organization, CASA, is asking a federal judge in Maryland,
where their case was originally filed, to refile this thing
(04:46):
and refile it as a class action case, because the
Supreme Court explicitly said in this decision that came out
today that a class action lawsuit is one of the
ways that it would was permit to broadly block a
federal government policy a couple of exemptions and workarounds that
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groups like this could use. The judges did limit their
ability to issue the nationwide injunctions unless they fit certain criteria,
and a class action lawsuit might be could be one
of the ways that they're going to try to do that.
The other couple of cases that were ruled on today,
number one, another six to three decision, will allow parents
(05:31):
to take their kids out of public school lessons that
feature LGBTQ plus themed storybooks that would conflict with their
religious beliefs.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And then the other one out.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Of Texas requires pornographic websites verify users that they're at
least eighteen years of age. This case basically was the
concern about you protect kids or to violate the First
Amendment rights of adults, And in this case they said
Texas and other states can impose these age verification limits
(06:08):
on the pornographic websites. Up next, a revisit to a
story we did yesterday out of the La Times, the
story about veterans fighting to try to get psychedelic therapy
psycho therapeutics. We'll talk with the writer of that piece,
Clara Harder, when we come back.
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One of the common topics that we have spent some
time on, especially over these last couple of months, is
advancements when it comes to therapy for post traumatic stress
disorder to help veterans deal with PTSD and anxiety and depression.
And I'm always drawn to headlines about this issue, and
(06:53):
just recently the article from the La Times California veterans
fight to fast track study of life saving psyche psychedelic
therapy by Clara Harder, one of the staff writers there,
and Clara was nice enough to join us talk about it. Clara,
thanks for taking time for us today.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Hey, I wanted to talk about, among other things, you
talk with Joe Hudak, a former Army Special Forces veteran,
and his experience with a Stanford program which has to
be done down in Mexico because of laws, and it
specifically uses ibogain as a way to I think I'm
(07:32):
saying it right, as a way to treat these guys,
these men and women who have suffered or do suffer
from PTSD.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So tell me a little bit about Joe's story.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
Yeah, So Joe was in the Green Brays for twenty years.
He had multiple deployment in combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
You know, he watched multiple friends die over this time,
and when he came back to America, he was really
really struggling with PTSD depression, even had some suicide attempts,
which as you know, is very common among our veteran population.
(08:04):
And he tried all the different therapies experimental and conventional
that he could, and nothing really was making a meaningful
difference until one of his former Army friends suggested he
fly down to Mexico to try I begain as part
of this new protocol that a lot of veterans and
Special Forces members have been using. And he was part
(08:26):
of an observational study led by Stanford researchers to try
and quantify the impact of the psychedelic on Special Forces veterans,
and the study had really phenomenal results. Participants experienced Don
humbage in eighty eight percent reduction in PTSD symptoms, eighty
seven in depression, in eighty one in anxiety after taking
this drug, and Joe and many others credited with saving
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his life.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
One of the issues that has come up is the
Schedule one and Schedule two drugs, at least the way
they're listed federally, are often very tightly regulated, and even
in studies, academic studies like this, it's hard to get
approval from the government to do that. So how does
(09:14):
that change? How can these veterans and veterans groups fight
to get that changed so we can open the door
to some of these therapies, or at the very least
open the door to the study of some of these
therapies here in the United States.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
Absolutely, I mean you hit the nail on the head.
There are no federally approved therapeutic uses of psychedelics in America,
and even doing research can be really challenging. There's a
lot of new bills and initiatives, both at state and
federal levels, that are trying to make it easier to
research these drugs. So Texas just passed a bill creating
(09:48):
a huge fund to research I begain and then in California,
a group of veterans are rallying behind a new state
bill called AB eleven O three that would help fast
track approvals for academics studies on psychedelic drugs.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You also mentioned in that article the strange situation that
California is in because we have what's called the Research
Advisory Panel that dates back to the sixties. That puts
yet another layer of bureaucracy between veterans looking for therapy
and the actual studies that can help them out.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Yes, so in California, after a study has already gained
FDA approval, you then have to gain approval through this panel.
It's an extra regulatory layer that does not exist outside
of California, and it can delay the start of these studies.
You know, typically the delays aren't too long, but there
have been big problems in the past. Last year, there
was a debate over whether the meeting should be held publicly,
(10:50):
and as a result, the panel didn't meet for eleven
months and no psychedelic studies could move forward for almost
a whole year. So this AB eleven H three bill
is creating a new way for studies to get approved
without a formal meeting of the panel, just by a
couple panel members in a matter of days, which will
really help move the research forward fast.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Today we're talking with Clara Harder at Times, La Times
staff writer about the ongoing quest for even studies about
using psychedelics to help treat post traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, depression, etc.
And I'm fascinated by this issue and I'm curious what
(11:30):
is the pushback on the psychedelics being used as therapeutics
in this arena.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Yeah, I think there's just a lot of concerns about
health risks and the seriousness of these drugs. In twenty
twenty three, Newsome veto to bill that would have decriminalized
the possession of psychedelics. The ath lawmakers the first focus
on establishing regulations for their therapeutic use. We had a
state senator who then responded with the bill to do so,
(11:57):
but it died in session last year. So there just
has been reticence on lawmakers side. I think just a
lot of fear left over from the War on drugs
and just in general about the risks of stronger drugs.
And you know it's true, I've gained, for example, this
drug that has amazing therapeutic uses for people with PTSD,
(12:19):
can cause heart challenges if people's cardiac health is not
assessed before they take it, So it is important that
we learn more about how they affect the body and
create a safe guideline for consuming it. But I think
we also really do need to move very very quickly
if we can, because these drugs do have the power
to save a lot of lives from PTSD, from depression,
(12:40):
you know, from suicide attempts. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Do you get the sense that this issue brings together
some strange bedfellows.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Absolutely. I mean you talk about this in the article,
but when you think of a traditional psychedelic supporter, you
might think of, you know, hippie living on a commune
protesting against war back in the sixth and seventies. But
veterans are typically a more right leaning, more conservative group,
and their support of psychedelics has been really really powerful
(13:09):
in helping pass bipartisan legislation like that research initiative I
mentioned in Texas. Veterans have really been such a powerful
tool and spreading the message about why we need to
pass these bills.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, and in a state like Texas, I mean, that
was a great point that that's one of those places
you wouldn't necessarily have expected that that the California would obviously,
or just West coast in general, Oregon, Washington, something would
have been more on the forefront of these programs.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Yeah, and I definitely don't think it's a coincidence that
Texas has the largest veteran population.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Clara, great stuff, Thank you for your time, Thanks for
having me. You bet, Clara Harder there again, La Time
staff writer. That article is called California Veterans fight to
fast track study of life saving psychedelic therapy, and you
can check it out and read it on their website.
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He is saying that Fox posted a segment that said
that Newsom lied about a phone call with Donald Trump
(14:30):
earlier this month. Lawyers for Gavin Newsom also sent a
letter to Fox News demanded a formal retraction and an
on air apology from Jesse Waters, who had said on
his show that Newsom lied about the call with the President,
and Newsom says if those conditions are met, if Jesse
actually does an apology, then he'll pull.
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The lawsuit, which would be very generous of him.
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special event called Breaking four Faith versus the Four Minute
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trying to become the first woman in history to run
a mile under four minutes. Well, this is a constant
reminder that mom and pop and grandma and grandpa might
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not be as savvy as they should when it comes
to technology. Probably a good time to remind them that
everything they see is not real, or let me rephrase
that not everything they see is real. Artificial intelligence is
getting more and more advanced. It's getting creepy to the
(16:56):
point where you can watch videos and and know that
something is wrong with it, but not be able to
pin it down, not be able to describe exactly why
it's not real, but something about it. Your brain recognizes
most of the time that it's not there. So there's
(17:18):
a whole new wave of AI videos that have been
sweeping the Internet, specifically on social media. So maybe that's
one thing that's protecting your parents and grandparents from seeing it.
They're not as active on Twitter, Snap, zip, zip, zip,
TikTok or Instagram as you might be, but user generated
(17:38):
clips now are making it tough to tell reality from
the work of a computer. For example, there's a video
that showed recently Joe Canada has declared war on the
United States. Let's go to Joe Braxton live at the border,
and we hear what appears to be a woman on
a set. The video cuts to a reporter who says,
(17:58):
I'm at the border, but there is no war. Mom
and Dad, I know this looks kind of real, but
it's AI, That's what the reporter says. So this is
an operating system from Google called vo three that they
say is a major leap in generative AI. It's you
(18:21):
got to pay for it, and it's pretty pricey. It's
about two hundred and fifty bucks a month. But depending
on what you're doing, this may be right up your
alley in terms of a useful tool for work. Terrifying,
but a useful tool. It has very realistic human characters
in it, very realistic physiques, very realistic expressions, and you
(18:46):
could do it in any film style, even in a
style that mimics a TV news program. And that's where
the problem comes. We'll talk about more of this here
in just a second when we come back.
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Six forty.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Divided Supreme Court today ruled that individual judges do not
have the authority to grant nationwide injunctions. The decision still
leaves unclear the fate of the restrictions on birthright citizenship
that the President invoked in an executive order. But this
was technically a victory for presidents. Yes, President Trump is
(19:28):
the president, but it's a victory for the power of
the presidency because other presidents have also run into these
nationwide injunctions and decried the use of them. Trump was
one of them. He complained about these individual judges that
throw up obstacles to what he said was his agenda,
echoed by President Biden and President Obama and President George W.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Bush. But he did say.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Trump did say this decision was amazing. He said it
was a monumental victory for the Constitution and for the
separation of powers. Another ruling from the Supreme Court today
had the given parents with religious objections the ability to
pull their kids out of public school lessons that use
storybooks with LGBTQ themes. Said that this is one lawyer said,
(20:15):
this is an historic victory for parental rights. So a
couple of decisions that came down today that will have
repercussions for weeks to come. I was telling you about
these AI generated news anchor clips that have been making
their way around the Internet. Not just on the facebooks
and the twitters and things like that, but producer Keana said,
(20:37):
you can find them on YouTube as well. And a
lot of people watching YouTube think that that makes it real,
that that makes it truthful. But this AI operating system
from Google called vo three can create high quality videos,
very realistic in many cases. One interesting clip got the
(21:01):
attention a lot of social media users shows an AI
generated reporter in water as a shark swims buy and
then the fake reporter says, just kidding, I'm not real.
Another one, a girl, a young girl says, Grandpa, I'm fine,
this is just AI. You don't need to wire any
money to anyone, and Another is a woman saying, I
(21:23):
am not in love with you, and I do not
need your money for a plane ticket.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I am AI. So clearly this is some sort.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Of a pitch to try to get you to tell
your parents that this is not real. But how are
they going to know? In many cases, well, listen, if
they just have a little bit of a problem with
their eyesight, some of the clues that you would otherwise
see in an AI created video might slip by. One
(21:51):
of the other issues in terms of what artificial intelligence
is doing is if you've searched for anything recently, think
of I use just as a matter of habit, I
use Google Chrome for the most part, and if I
type in something like vacation breakfast in MAUI right, if
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I type that in, there's an AI overview that comes
up first on Google Chrome, and other search engines are
doing this as well. Now, if you wrote and that's
just a you know, a general search, if you're looking
for something specific, like a news event, let me let
(22:34):
me type in strikes on Iranian nuclear sites. Now that
is a current event that also generates an AI response
about what it is that I might be looking for.
And Google uses AI to come up with a quick
(22:56):
synopsis of the story itself, instead of taking me to
the Wall Street Journal or CNN or the New York
Times or the National Review or any whatever news organization
you go to for what you say is reliable news.
Google is usurping that by answering with AI first, and
(23:19):
these chatbots is one way to put it, are replacing
a lot of Google searches. Business Insider online magazine cut
about twenty one percent of its staff last month. They
said that they're aimed at helping the publication endure extreme
traffic drops that are outside of our control. Organic search
(23:39):
traffic to the Business Insider website dropped more than fifty
percent between April of twenty two and April of twenty five.
At a company wide meeting earlier this year, the chief
executive of The Atlantic the magazine said that they were
going to assume, sorry, they should assume that traffic from
(24:01):
Google was going to drop towards zero, and that they
need to evolve their business model because AI last year
introduced the AI overview. And again, whatever search you put
in to the search bar in Google, the first thing
you're going to get back is the AI overview. It
takes a look at the top results of the page
(24:26):
and gives you that maybe one paragraph. For example, I
use the vacation Breakfast in Maui search as an example,
and there are trip Advisor ten best breakfast restaurants, discussion
forums from Reddit, Pride of Maui twelve best breakfast Spots
on Mali. But the AI overview that comes up first
(24:49):
gives me one to three different options for popular places
to go for breakfast on Maui and again take away
traffic from those other spots that I would have gone to.
News organizations are particularly hit hard by this. The rapid
(25:10):
development of these click free answers. You don't have to
go past that first step of typing something into the
search engine and then navigating your way through different clicks
to find a correct answer or find a refined version
of what it is that you're looking for. William Lewis
is the publisher of The Washington Post, and he said
(25:31):
that that development of these AI overviews is a threat
to journalism and should not be underestimated, and that the
Washington Post and others are trying to move with urgency
to connect with the overlooked audiences to try to get
new revenue. Sources to prepare for what he referred to
as a post search era. The New York Times also
(25:53):
traffic coming from organic search to the paper's desktop and
mobile sites went down thirty seven per se in April
and almost forty four percent three years earlier.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Wall Street Journal is very similar.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
They're having a hard time keep it up with all
of this because of what they refer to again as
the click free answers. When it comes to the Google searches,
you can you can turn them off. Microsoft allows you
to turn them off. They now try to get you
there first, but if you can avoid it. I mean,
(26:31):
we're just we're giving our giving away our brains at
this point, allowing this to continue the way it has.
All right, when we come back all of our trending stories,
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We wrap it up as we do every Friday, with
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
It's time for swamp Watch. I'm a politician, which means
I'm a cheat and a liar, and when I'm not
kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yeah, we got the real problem is that our leaders are.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Done the other side never so.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
So now you train the.
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Swat I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been. You know, Americans have always been
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A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the
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Speaker 4 (01:33):
Morning, the Supreme Court has delivered a monumental victory for
the Constitution, the separation of powers.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
And the rule of law.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
That's President Trump. This is Ali Honig, a former assistant
US attorney.
Speaker 5 (01:46):
I think this is a fundamental shift in the balance
between the powers of the presidency and the powers of
the court.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
This is James Sample. He works at Hofstra Law School.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
A case like birthright citizenship might be that kind of
classic case where the Constitution needs to mean the same
thing across the nation. You don't really want a scenario,
whatever your position is on the policy issue of birthright citizenship,
where citizenship means different things in different places. In terms
of the Trump administration, they are no doubt dancing in
(02:18):
the White House right now about this ruling, because these
nationwide injunctions, they're not limited to birthright citizenship.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
And Andrew McCarthy, an editor in chief, I believe of
a national review.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
I don't know that the triumphalism about the ultimate result
in the birthright citizenship case is warranted, because I think
they may very well lose that. But as far as
Trump moving his agenda, having judges no longer able to
stop him at whim is obviously a big victory for him.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay, Now, this is not about the Fourteenth Amendment. This
was not the case that looks at the merits of
birthright citizenship. This is a procedural thing because the Supreme
Court has blocked the lower courts from issuing universal injunctions,
from issuing nationwide injunctions, something that had impacted executive orders
(03:12):
from this president and other presidents. Biden complained about universal injunctions.
Obama complained about universal injunctions. George W. Bush complained about
universal injunctions. Part of the reason that this is attached
to Trump, obviously the timing of it it's happening during
his administration, but also because of the number of universal
(03:36):
injunctions that have been placed against him. So he referred
to it as a colossal abuse of power and said,
now that this is out of the way, maybe we
can get to the issue of actual birthright citizenship and
whether or not the fourteenth Amendment should apply the way
it's been applied in the past.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Thanks to this decision, we can now promptly file to
proceed with numerous policies that have been wrongly enjoined on
a nationwide basis, And some of the cases we're talking
about would be ending birthright citizenship, which now comes to
the fore that was meant for the babies of slaves.
It wasn't meant for people trying to scam the system
(04:17):
and come into the country on a vacation.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
So the group, by the way, that has been suing
over birthright citizenship and the executive order to end it,
has now taken what the Supreme Court wrote in the
opinion and the descent and is trying to refile the case.
This organization, CASA, is asking a federal judge in Maryland,
where their case was originally filed, to refile this thing
(04:46):
and refile it as a class action case, because the
Supreme Court explicitly said in this decision that came out
today that a class action lawsuit is one of the
ways that it would was permit to broadly block a
federal government policy a couple of exemptions and workarounds that
(05:07):
groups like this could use. The judges did limit their
ability to issue the nationwide injunctions unless they fit certain criteria,
and a class action lawsuit might be could be one
of the ways that they're going to try to do that.
The other couple of cases that were ruled on today,
number one, another six to three decision, will allow parents
(05:31):
to take their kids out of public school lessons that
feature LGBTQ plus themed storybooks that would conflict with their
religious beliefs.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And then the other one out.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Of Texas requires pornographic websites verify users that they're at
least eighteen years of age. This case basically was the
concern about you protect kids or to violate the First
Amendment rights of adults, And in this case they said
Texas and other states can impose these age verification limits
(06:08):
on the pornographic websites. Up next, a revisit to a
story we did yesterday out of the La Times, the
story about veterans fighting to try to get psychedelic therapy
psycho therapeutics. We'll talk with the writer of that piece,
Clara Harder, when we come back.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
One of the common topics that we have spent some
time on, especially over these last couple of months, is
advancements when it comes to therapy for post traumatic stress
disorder to help veterans deal with PTSD and anxiety and depression.
And I'm always drawn to headlines about this issue, and
(06:53):
just recently the article from the La Times California veterans
fight to fast track study of life saving psyche psychedelic
therapy by Clara Harder, one of the staff writers there,
and Clara was nice enough to join us talk about it. Clara,
thanks for taking time for us today.
Speaker 7 (07:09):
Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Hey, I wanted to talk about, among other things, you
talk with Joe Hudak, a former Army Special Forces veteran,
and his experience with a Stanford program which has to
be done down in Mexico because of laws, and it
specifically uses ibogain as a way to I think I'm
(07:32):
saying it right, as a way to treat these guys,
these men and women who have suffered or do suffer
from PTSD.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So tell me a little bit about Joe's story.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
Yeah, So Joe was in the Green Brays for twenty years.
He had multiple deployment in combat missions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
You know, he watched multiple friends die over this time,
and when he came back to America, he was really
really struggling with PTSD depression, even had some suicide attempts,
which as you know, is very common among our veteran population.
(08:04):
And he tried all the different therapies experimental and conventional
that he could, and nothing really was making a meaningful
difference until one of his former Army friends suggested he
fly down to Mexico to try I begain as part
of this new protocol that a lot of veterans and
Special Forces members have been using. And he was part
(08:26):
of an observational study led by Stanford researchers to try
and quantify the impact of the psychedelic on Special Forces veterans,
and the study had really phenomenal results. Participants experienced Don
humbage in eighty eight percent reduction in PTSD symptoms, eighty
seven in depression, in eighty one in anxiety after taking
this drug, and Joe and many others credited with saving
(08:50):
his life.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
One of the issues that has come up is the
Schedule one and Schedule two drugs, at least the way
they're listed federally, are often very tightly regulated, and even
in studies, academic studies like this, it's hard to get
approval from the government to do that. So how does
(09:14):
that change? How can these veterans and veterans groups fight
to get that changed so we can open the door
to some of these therapies, or at the very least
open the door to the study of some of these
therapies here in the United States.
Speaker 7 (09:27):
Absolutely, I mean you hit the nail on the head.
There are no federally approved therapeutic uses of psychedelics in America,
and even doing research can be really challenging. There's a
lot of new bills and initiatives, both at state and
federal levels, that are trying to make it easier to
research these drugs. So Texas just passed a bill creating
(09:48):
a huge fund to research I begain and then in California,
a group of veterans are rallying behind a new state
bill called AB eleven O three that would help fast
track approvals for academics studies on psychedelic drugs.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You also mentioned in that article the strange situation that
California is in because we have what's called the Research
Advisory Panel that dates back to the sixties. That puts
yet another layer of bureaucracy between veterans looking for therapy
and the actual studies that can help them out.
Speaker 7 (10:27):
Yes, so in California, after a study has already gained
FDA approval, you then have to gain approval through this panel.
It's an extra regulatory layer that does not exist outside
of California, and it can delay the start of these studies.
You know, typically the delays aren't too long, but there
have been big problems in the past. Last year, there
was a debate over whether the meeting should be held publicly,
(10:50):
and as a result, the panel didn't meet for eleven
months and no psychedelic studies could move forward for almost
a whole year. So this AB eleven H three bill
is creating a new way for studies to get approved
without a formal meeting of the panel, just by a
couple panel members in a matter of days, which will
really help move the research forward fast.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Today we're talking with Clara Harder at Times, La Times
staff writer about the ongoing quest for even studies about
using psychedelics to help treat post traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, depression, etc.
And I'm fascinated by this issue and I'm curious what
(11:30):
is the pushback on the psychedelics being used as therapeutics
in this arena.
Speaker 7 (11:37):
Yeah, I think there's just a lot of concerns about
health risks and the seriousness of these drugs. In twenty
twenty three, Newsome veto to bill that would have decriminalized
the possession of psychedelics. The ath lawmakers the first focus
on establishing regulations for their therapeutic use. We had a
state senator who then responded with the bill to do so,
(11:57):
but it died in session last year. So there just
has been reticence on lawmakers side. I think just a
lot of fear left over from the War on drugs
and just in general about the risks of stronger drugs.
And you know it's true, I've gained, for example, this
drug that has amazing therapeutic uses for people with PTSD,
(12:19):
can cause heart challenges if people's cardiac health is not
assessed before they take it, So it is important that
we learn more about how they affect the body and
create a safe guideline for consuming it. But I think
we also really do need to move very very quickly
if we can, because these drugs do have the power
to save a lot of lives from PTSD, from depression,
(12:40):
you know, from suicide attempts. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Do you get the sense that this issue brings together
some strange bedfellows.
Speaker 7 (12:48):
Absolutely. I mean you talk about this in the article,
but when you think of a traditional psychedelic supporter, you
might think of, you know, hippie living on a commune
protesting against war back in the sixth and seventies. But
veterans are typically a more right leaning, more conservative group,
and their support of psychedelics has been really really powerful
(13:09):
in helping pass bipartisan legislation like that research initiative I
mentioned in Texas. Veterans have really been such a powerful
tool and spreading the message about why we need to
pass these bills.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Yeah, and in a state like Texas, I mean, that
was a great point that that's one of those places
you wouldn't necessarily have expected that that the California would obviously,
or just West coast in general, Oregon, Washington, something would
have been more on the forefront of these programs.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Yeah, and I definitely don't think it's a coincidence that
Texas has the largest veteran population.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Clara, great stuff, Thank you for your time, Thanks for
having me. You bet, Clara Harder there again, La Time
staff writer. That article is called California Veterans fight to
fast track study of life saving psychedelic therapy, and you
can check it out and read it on their website.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Governor Newsom has decided that he is going to pull
a page out of Donald Trump's playbook and sue a
television network. He is suing Fox News, he announced today.
He is saying that Fox posted a segment that said
that Newsom lied about a phone call with Donald Trump
(14:30):
earlier this month. Lawyers for Gavin Newsom also sent a
letter to Fox News demanded a formal retraction and an
on air apology from Jesse Waters, who had said on
his show that Newsom lied about the call with the President,
and Newsom says if those conditions are met, if Jesse
actually does an apology, then he'll pull.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
The lawsuit, which would be very generous of him.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Prices that consumers pay rose a bit. In the month
of May, annual inflation rate edged further away from the
federal reserves target. The Personal Consumption Expenditures Price Index, the
primary inflation reading for the Fed, rose seasonally adjusted one
tenth of a percent for the month. That puts the
annual inflation rate at about two point three percent. And
(15:17):
that Washington State guy Shannon mentioned this the other day.
The guy facing terrorism charges related to the bomb that
went off at the fertility clinic in Palm Springs. He
died while in federal custody here in La.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Well, now we know that the thirty two year old guy,
his name was Daniel Park, climbed onto a surface up
on a balcony and then jumped off from jumped off
inside the federal detention facility in order to kill himself.
And they did so they did.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
He did. Sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Fifth Faith kipieg Yaw Kipiegon. I think you say her name,
Faith Kipiegon. She tried to become the first woman in
history to run a sub four minute mile and came
up just short. This is a story that we told
you about a couple of months ago when she started
training for it. The three time Olympic gold medalist ran
a personal best of four six forty two in a
(16:12):
special event called Breaking four Faith versus the Four Minute
Mile just last night at a stadium in Paris. The
event was a partnership between her and Nike. She was
trying to become the first woman in history to run
a mile under four minutes. Well, this is a constant
reminder that mom and pop and grandma and grandpa might
(16:34):
not be as savvy as they should when it comes
to technology. Probably a good time to remind them that
everything they see is not real, or let me rephrase
that not everything they see is real. Artificial intelligence is
getting more and more advanced. It's getting creepy to the
(16:56):
point where you can watch videos and and know that
something is wrong with it, but not be able to
pin it down, not be able to describe exactly why
it's not real, but something about it. Your brain recognizes
most of the time that it's not there. So there's
(17:18):
a whole new wave of AI videos that have been
sweeping the Internet, specifically on social media. So maybe that's
one thing that's protecting your parents and grandparents from seeing it.
They're not as active on Twitter, Snap, zip, zip, zip,
TikTok or Instagram as you might be, but user generated
(17:38):
clips now are making it tough to tell reality from
the work of a computer. For example, there's a video
that showed recently Joe Canada has declared war on the
United States. Let's go to Joe Braxton live at the border,
and we hear what appears to be a woman on
a set. The video cuts to a reporter who says,
(17:58):
I'm at the border, but there is no war. Mom
and Dad, I know this looks kind of real, but
it's AI, That's what the reporter says. So this is
an operating system from Google called vo three that they
say is a major leap in generative AI. It's you
(18:21):
got to pay for it, and it's pretty pricey. It's
about two hundred and fifty bucks a month. But depending
on what you're doing, this may be right up your
alley in terms of a useful tool for work. Terrifying,
but a useful tool. It has very realistic human characters
in it, very realistic physiques, very realistic expressions, and you
(18:46):
could do it in any film style, even in a
style that mimics a TV news program. And that's where
the problem comes. We'll talk about more of this here
in just a second when we come back.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI AM.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Six forty.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Divided Supreme Court today ruled that individual judges do not
have the authority to grant nationwide injunctions. The decision still
leaves unclear the fate of the restrictions on birthright citizenship
that the President invoked in an executive order. But this
was technically a victory for presidents. Yes, President Trump is
(19:28):
the president, but it's a victory for the power of
the presidency because other presidents have also run into these
nationwide injunctions and decried the use of them. Trump was
one of them. He complained about these individual judges that
throw up obstacles to what he said was his agenda,
echoed by President Biden and President Obama and President George W.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Bush. But he did say.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Trump did say this decision was amazing. He said it
was a monumental victory for the Constitution and for the
separation of powers. Another ruling from the Supreme Court today
had the given parents with religious objections the ability to
pull their kids out of public school lessons that use
storybooks with LGBTQ themes. Said that this is one lawyer said,
(20:15):
this is an historic victory for parental rights. So a
couple of decisions that came down today that will have
repercussions for weeks to come. I was telling you about
these AI generated news anchor clips that have been making
their way around the Internet. Not just on the facebooks
and the twitters and things like that, but producer Keana said,
(20:37):
you can find them on YouTube as well. And a
lot of people watching YouTube think that that makes it real,
that that makes it truthful. But this AI operating system
from Google called vo three can create high quality videos,
very realistic in many cases. One interesting clip got the
(21:01):
attention a lot of social media users shows an AI
generated reporter in water as a shark swims buy and
then the fake reporter says, just kidding, I'm not real.
Another one, a girl, a young girl says, Grandpa, I'm fine,
this is just AI. You don't need to wire any
money to anyone, and Another is a woman saying, I
(21:23):
am not in love with you, and I do not
need your money for a plane ticket.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
I am AI. So clearly this is some sort.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
Of a pitch to try to get you to tell
your parents that this is not real. But how are
they going to know? In many cases, well, listen, if
they just have a little bit of a problem with
their eyesight, some of the clues that you would otherwise
see in an AI created video might slip by. One
(21:51):
of the other issues in terms of what artificial intelligence
is doing is if you've searched for anything recently, think
of I use just as a matter of habit, I
use Google Chrome for the most part, and if I
type in something like vacation breakfast in MAUI right, if
(22:12):
I type that in, there's an AI overview that comes
up first on Google Chrome, and other search engines are
doing this as well. Now, if you wrote and that's
just a you know, a general search, if you're looking
for something specific, like a news event, let me let
(22:34):
me type in strikes on Iranian nuclear sites. Now that
is a current event that also generates an AI response
about what it is that I might be looking for.
And Google uses AI to come up with a quick
(22:56):
synopsis of the story itself, instead of taking me to
the Wall Street Journal or CNN or the New York
Times or the National Review or any whatever news organization
you go to for what you say is reliable news.
Google is usurping that by answering with AI first, and
(23:19):
these chatbots is one way to put it, are replacing
a lot of Google searches. Business Insider online magazine cut
about twenty one percent of its staff last month. They
said that they're aimed at helping the publication endure extreme
traffic drops that are outside of our control. Organic search
(23:39):
traffic to the Business Insider website dropped more than fifty
percent between April of twenty two and April of twenty five.
At a company wide meeting earlier this year, the chief
executive of The Atlantic the magazine said that they were
going to assume, sorry, they should assume that traffic from
(24:01):
Google was going to drop towards zero, and that they
need to evolve their business model because AI last year
introduced the AI overview. And again, whatever search you put
in to the search bar in Google, the first thing
you're going to get back is the AI overview. It
takes a look at the top results of the page
(24:26):
and gives you that maybe one paragraph. For example, I
use the vacation Breakfast in Maui search as an example,
and there are trip Advisor ten best breakfast restaurants, discussion
forums from Reddit, Pride of Maui twelve best breakfast Spots
on Mali. But the AI overview that comes up first
(24:49):
gives me one to three different options for popular places
to go for breakfast on Maui and again take away
traffic from those other spots that I would have gone to.
News organizations are particularly hit hard by this. The rapid
(25:10):
development of these click free answers. You don't have to
go past that first step of typing something into the
search engine and then navigating your way through different clicks
to find a correct answer or find a refined version
of what it is that you're looking for. William Lewis
is the publisher of The Washington Post, and he said
(25:31):
that that development of these AI overviews is a threat
to journalism and should not be underestimated, and that the
Washington Post and others are trying to move with urgency
to connect with the overlooked audiences to try to get
new revenue. Sources to prepare for what he referred to
as a post search era. The New York Times also
(25:53):
traffic coming from organic search to the paper's desktop and
mobile sites went down thirty seven per se in April
and almost forty four percent three years earlier.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Wall Street Journal is very similar.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
They're having a hard time keep it up with all
of this because of what they refer to again as
the click free answers. When it comes to the Google searches,
you can you can turn them off. Microsoft allows you
to turn them off. They now try to get you
there first, but if you can avoid it. I mean,
(26:31):
we're just we're giving our giving away our brains at
this point, allowing this to continue the way it has.
All right, when we come back all of our trending stories,
we're going to do our quick entertainment report. Heather Brooker
is going to join us, and then what you learned
this week on the Gary and Shannon Show and the
nine news nuggets you need to know still coming up.
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