November 12, 2025 • 31 mins
In today’s #SwampWatch, Gary and Shannon break down what’s brewing in D.C. — plus, why paying with your credit card might soon get a lot more complicated. We dig into Target’s new “1–4” policy, and parenting expert Justin Worsham joins the show to talk career vs. kids, and what really happens when parents take away the iPad.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Tensions between India and Pakistan are on the rise again.
Yesterday both countries' capitals were hit by explosions.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Just a day apart.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Tuesday afternoon, there was a suicide bomber that's self detonated
next to a police car outside of court building in Islamabad, Pakistan,
killed at least twelve. There was another a car bomb
that went off also in India's capital, too are so
far balmy fall is going to give way to quite
a bit of cooler temperatures and rain. Tomorrow is expected
(00:40):
to be the hardest rain fall late tomorrow, possibly into Friday.
The storm system's coming in going to push inland by Saturday,
when all of a sudden done. You could see some
places that get three four inches of rain before Sunday
rolls around. I wanted to give everybody a quick remind though,
that we are Rain or Shine Live at Luchdoor Brewing
(01:04):
Company in Chino Hills coming up on Friday.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We will be out there from nine am to one
to pm.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
We have stuff to give away.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
They have stuff to give away, including pairs of tickets
to the Hops in the Hills event that is coming
up on Saturday, and they have let us know. Jamie
and friends at luchd Or Brewing Company have said that
Hops in the Hills event is rain or shine one
hundred percent chance of beer.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Absolutely, little Rain's not going to ruin that come on now,
In fact, it make it more of an adventure. Well,
swamp Watch is here, and we were talking about Gavin
Newsome and how he may be peaking too early for
twenty twenty eight. Well, I've got a new old name
for you. That is Entering the Fright. It's where we
kick off our look at Washington.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar.
And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Yeah, we got the real problem is that our leaders
are Dune the other side.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
He never quit. So what.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm not going anywhere so that you.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Train the squat, I can imagine what can be and
be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
You know, Americans have always been going at present they're scrupid.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
The truth I have that people voted for you with
na swap watch they're all countering.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So here is that name who is considering a White
House bid, and he's got an interesting take on how
the Democrats could tackle or should tackle crime. The name
is former mayor of Chicago from Emmanuel.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Former White House Chief of Staff Rama Manual.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
He says about Democrats grappling with how to cut into
one of the Republicans' core issues in the midterms, which
will be crime. He says he's got his own approach
to public safety and he's laying it out as we
speak with police leaders in Washington today. He wants to
call for pairing community policing methods with tough on major
(03:05):
crime tactics and youth interventions, a holistic approach, a model
for cities. He says, for fellow Democrats to combat the
electoral narrative that they're weak on crime, the defund the
police thing gets you freaking nowhere in the midterms, and
he wants to highlight that. He said Democrats should not
be scared of it, and they should be proactive about
(03:28):
what their agenda is for crime. He served three presidents
across levels of government, and he's trying to position himself
as the forefront of the democratics, the Democrats conversations on
how to tackle public safety and crime.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
He's one of those guys that probably deserves a lot
of credit for his political acumen.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But is he a politician?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Is he one of those guys that would cut through
and become you sort of embraced the celebrity nature of
politicians that we may hate it, but it is kind
of just a fact of reality, and running for running
for office.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
He may be enough anti politician to work out.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
He doesn't make me go ugh the way that some
people like the Gaven Newsom totally polished politicians do. And remember,
as mayor there in Chicago, he had a surge of
murders and shootings. They had the deadliest year there in
two decades in twenty sixteen. He also had that awful
(04:36):
handling of the twenty fourteen murder of the black teenager
by the white cop that caused issues for him there.
But he has captured headlines for going after Trump when
it comes to crime and immigration. JP Pritzker is another
one whose name has been flitted about in the conversation,
(05:00):
but you're right, man, I mean you highlighted that point
really well, that it is way too early. It's not
too early to start talking about the midterms, so and
things that matter in the midterms, and crime is one
of those things.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And that whatever matters in the midterms could clearly dictate
what goes on two years later. But the House will
be back in session today to vote on a spending
package that would end our government shut down. Progressives are
now mad that a group of Senate Democrats Centrists broke
after forty one days to strike a deal with Republicans
on this spending package without getting a cemented commitment on
(05:35):
extending the healthcare subsidies from expiring healthcare subsidies under Obamacare.
Polls have continued to show that Republicans are likely taking
the blame for this, more so than the Democrats, but
Republicans have been spinning this as a complete win. Mike Johnson,
speaker said it really was a shutdown about nothing. I mean,
(05:58):
what we're voting on is effectively what we offered them
several weeks back.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And it's funny.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I've heard a couple of Republican lawmakers say we're just
going back to September thirtieth, We didn't. They held out
and didn't get anything as a result of it. One
of the things that's going to happen is now that
the House is going to go back in session. Congresswoman
elect at Alitea Grival Grialva out of Arizona is going
(06:22):
to be sworn in today. She hasn't been sworn in
because the House hasn't been in session while this government
shutdown has.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Been going on.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
She will be sworn into session today and she is
believed to be the deciding vote when it comes to
the forcing of the release of all of the files
on Jeffrey Epstein. The cascade is set to begin tonight.
Like I said, she'll be sworn in right before the
House votes to end the government shutdown. After that, she
(06:51):
says she will affix the two hundred and eighteenth and
final signature to the discharge petition.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
That is a bipartisan petition.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
By the way, Roe Conna from here in California and
Thomas Massey, Republican out of Kentucky, they will when she
signs that, as she says she will, that will force
a vote on the full release of the Department of
Justice's Epstein Files.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Coming up next, your chance at one thousand dollars. Also
the type of credit card you use everywhere, coffee shop,
what have you. It could mean a different price you pay,
Like that coffee could cost you five or maybe five
ten or maybe five twenty five depending on what card
you use. It's about to get more complicated. We'll tell
(07:35):
you what we know when we come back.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
At the bottom of the hour, Justin Warsham is going
to join us and we talk parenting specifically. You know
what Shack says to his kids?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
How many kids?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I four or five.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You're a fan of taking parenting advice from professional athletes
because they don't spend a lot of time for the
most part raising the children. That's usually the mother. But
I'm I'm here for it. He has been out of
the game for a while, so.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Personal life, Yeah, I'm not sure how many kids he yes,
I know he's got sons and daughters, but I'm not
sure the numbers specifically. But he's got some interesting differences
between the way he would raise sons versus daughters.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Okay, so ay, we'll talk about it, doesn't everybody?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yes, yes, well, I mean I would think if you
had multiple kids, you would just have different rules for everybody,
for each different child, different styles. Perhaps here's your chance
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Speaker 1 (09:23):
Credit cards they are about to give us a bit
more of a headache. There's a settlement between Visa and
MasterCard that we may soon become privy to at the
checkstand merchants. They say could bring about tiered pricing based
on which credit card you use. The agreement that was
(09:45):
made allows merchants to apply varying surcharges based on credit
card categories. This is not a done deal, it still
needs court approval, but it could mean that your coffee
could be five dollars some days, or five ten or
five twenty five, depending on how you pay.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I'm I remember an economics teacher in high school who
told us if you ever buy something at a local
store or whatever, you could always ask for the cash
price as opposed to the credit price, and that there
was a difference because if you were using a credit card,
and this was back when, well in the old days,
(10:29):
we didn't carry around debit cards, but that they would
give you a discount of a few percentage points if
they were a reputable I remember him telling you that
never tried it, never believed it, but he was an
economics teacher, so everybody just took it as gospel. I guess,
but that there has always been sort of baked into
the prices, especially lately in the last say, twenty five years,
(10:52):
twenty twenty five years, because the use of debit cards
and credit cards has become so ubiquitous for daily, every
day simple transactions like oh, I don't know, a cup
of coffee, you know, to point out the example that
you had. Merchants have always had the right to refuse
to do business with a payment network entirely. I don't
(11:13):
know why you would not want I mean, why you
would cut off a customer if you said, I'm sorry,
we don't accept what's a third Discover card or something
like we don't accept that.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Oh, you're gonna get in trouble with Discovery. They'll pair
are a lot of money into their ad campaign about
where Discover we'll get you everywhere.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But look at Costco.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Costco only accepts Visa credit cards in stores that right,
and they used to not accept debit cards and you
used to just be credit cards. The current network rules
say that if a store accepts one Visa credit card,
it has to accept all Visa credit cards. One of
the more likely outcomes now is that you're going to
(11:52):
see these fees, small fees if you pay with a
credit card instead of cash, and that those tend to
apply broadly across credit cards. So a basic, no fill
frills credit card, for example, maybe one that doesn't have
extra miles or points or things like that, could come
with a surcharge of two and a half percent of
the transaction amount three percent if you do have one
(12:14):
that's got airline miles or rewards or points or something
like that. They said that the settlement would require the
banks to add clear visual markers to cards to help
consumers and merchants determine which category your card falls into. That, however,
will take multiple years, and for merchants, they say adding
(12:35):
a surcharge obviously would help offset their costs, but again,
you run the risk of just turning away people who
love their credit card or a specific card that works
for them. You start adding two and a half three
percent may be pennies on the actual transaction, but you
give people the impression that you just want to take
more money away from them. So it's not going anywhere
(12:58):
anytime soon. Have you been to a Target lately? Have
you used your credit card to Target?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Target?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yes, I was at Target over the weekend. I bought
one thing. This is a very big deal.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I'm surprised we haven't mentioned this.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I bought one thing at Target over the weekend and
I let something go yesterday. What is Oh yeah, I'm
in a.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Lot of growth. I'm in a period of growth. This
is change.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I do not like this.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I do not like change. I think we discussed this
many many times.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
There's a new policy at Target for the employees in
their red shirts and khaki pants. This new ten to
four policy requires any employee within ten feet of a
customer to smile, no, to make eye contact, to use friendly, approachable,
welcoming body length.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
You know what, It's actually good for you to smile
and to do all these things. It's good for you.
Forget about the person you're smiling at.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
It is good for you.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
It is good for your energy to create people with
a smile, and all of the things that they want
people to do. I just don't think it should be mandated.
It's like when the government tells you to do something,
It's like, Okay, even if I agree with you, I
should do that. You telling me to do that makes
me not want.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Listen, we've talked about socialism before, right, and obviously that's
getting a new Heyday with Mom Donnie and maybe this
new mayor in Seattle. I believe in socialism, but voluntary socialism.
I believe that we should be generous. We should gift
if we have been blessed with extra we should give
it away. But the government telling me to do that
(14:34):
is a very different thing.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Jesus telling me to do it is fine. The government
different ballgames.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
So there's a two part of this policy.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
The ten foot part, of course, is if you're within
ten feet of a customer, smile, eye contact, good body language.
If you're within four feet of a customer, you must
greet them.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Grab them on the ass, smile, got to grab a
handful of something.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
You must initiate a warm, helpful interaction.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The smile from ten feet. Let's you know what's coming
up at four feet.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right, And when my hands come up like this, when
I get t rex arms, you know I'm coming in
for the we are.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Awful, the good stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
The thing is is like, I'm gonna so do that.
Like the next time I'm at Target and I see
this going on, I'm like, you're gonna You don't need
to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You don't need to do it. I don't need the fluffing.
We don't need that. You don't want to smile at me,
do not. It's cool. I read the story.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I know you're just doing it because you've been told,
you've been mandated. There's one hardware store that I like
to go to because it's small, it's not the big one,
and you cannot walk in four inches into the door
without somebody asking if you need help.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Do you know what I love about hardware stores?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
The smell, the smell of the fertilizer.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
No, I well, I love that there's a hardware store
in my hometown that never changed. It's in the same
place on Grant Avenue, and it's it's nice because to
your point, and I like things that don't change. The
other thing is, is I love coming up with a
name for a hardware store. Nuts and bolts, you know,
Like there's just so many you know, got would you
(16:12):
know what I mean? Like, there's so many things you
could come up with for a hardware store. You know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
It's fun.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It's a fun exercise. Anyway, Gary and Shannon will continue.
I need a hobby. Maybe I should go get a
project at said hardware store.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
The reminder, We're gonna be out at Luchador Brewing Company.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Oh this Friday.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
We'll be out there in Chino Hills to help kick
off their hops in the Hills event. Oh yes, they
have reminded us it is rain or shine, not just
our event, because there's going to be indoors obviously, but
the outdoors, the hops in the Hills event rain or shine.
If you do go out on Saturday, they do have
a free.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Parkas that they're going to have.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yes, they don't know a percentage per chance for rain
parks ponchos.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Come on, let's pull up our pants here.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Oh right, well some people don't.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
What are we doing?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I wish the listeners still could see the look on
your face, because, at least for me, the look on
your face was like you came in very aggressive with
that yeah, and then you looked around like, wait, am
I right? Is there some am I being toned deaf
to some situation?
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Well? I take off?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, I mean, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
We're at a beer festival. A little couple drops of
rain from the sky.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Is gonna I'm not.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I'm just saying they have free ponchos available. I'm sorry
if you're a pants that I forgot to add that
part of it.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Oh there is, yeah, Oh thank you. I can also
de escalate, which makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
We'll be out there on Friday.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
The Hops in the Hills event is going to be
on Saturday, but we do have tickets that we're going
to be giving away on Friday, So we'd love to
see you out there, Chino Hills, lucid Or Brewing Company
Friday at nine am.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Justin Worsham is with us, host of the Dad Podcast. Today,
we're going to be talking about Shaquille O'Neill and his
different rules for girls versus his rules for boys under
his room?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Can he tells city how many kids he's got?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh no, I didn't look into that. I did because
we I don't know how many kids he's got. He's
got at least six and the steps on. So he
sometimes refers to having six or seven kids.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Whole lot of kids.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah so, and I don't know the breakdown gender wise,
but multiples of each.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
We do know that.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Here's what shocking that I think about that is that
he was born in Newark, New Jersey. Like this to
me seems like a very southern thing.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Well, I believe he grew up I mean born in
New Jersey, but think he spent most of his time
in the South somewhere Yonio.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
This thing seems like I said, what does he do.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
He's saying that, thank you, Shennon.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
He's saying that if you were a boy at eighteen
years of age, you got to get up out his house.
But if you are a daughter, you could stay there
as long as your heart desires, and he will subsidize
your edge as much as you want, because he feels
he believes in traditional gender roles and that as a man,
it is your job to protect and take care of
your woman. And it's very interesting because personally, right I
(19:13):
like this, and what it made me think of is
that people, at least in my social groups tend to
get very up in arms about traditional gender roles and
how it has some kind of a negative impact on
society at large, and that somehow it's also damaging to women,
I think in particular.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
And I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
You tell me if you think, I'll tell you, Like,
my wife would love nothing more than for me to
make enough of a living where she didn't have to
do anything and I could completely take care of her,
like I'm sure that, and.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
That's how she's wired.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
But it's interesting that we seem to have this expectation,
in my opinion, culturally, to be sensitive to people's religious beliefs.
But in regard to like gender roles, we cannot. Like,
if you expect a woman to be somebody who's like,
You're going to stay and take care of house things
and kid things, and I'm going to take care of
money things, that seems to be that now you are
(20:03):
subjecting that woman to a life that she does not want,
even if arguably, like again, my wife would sign up,
you probably leave.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Me even if she could.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
She could, I mean she could, she absolutely could, she
absolutely could.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But it's funny I didn't think of it that way,
just in terms of there are people who choose to
live a t I mean finger quotes traditional lifestyle, but
and they choose to live that way. It's not like
it's imposed upon or or they get married and then
all of the sudden the rules then emerge like oh no, no,
(20:39):
I'm sorry. You do not get to have a job,
You do not get to do things other than kick
them shoes off, get fat, get in that kitchen kind
of thing, serve me right.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Which it's never how it goes, at least in the
ones I've seen.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That may have been in TV shows from fifty years ago,
but that does not exist no, like.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Even in my situation, my wife has no idea what's
going on with her finances. I make all the decision
I run stuff by her, but she definitely doesn't want
to know. She doesn't want to be involved. But I
the way I process that is that mean that I
just have to be aware of what she wants and
make sure she gets it as much as I humanly can.
She gets far more of what she wants than I do,
and so I don't I don't think. I don't mean that.
(21:21):
Am I accidentally slipping this some kind of like couple
therapy or this crap.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
I hate it when I step in stuff here.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I'm staying out of it.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Smart Gary's like, I wish I could. You guys are
just leave and I'll just say her talk to the
listeners myself.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Let them worship family Christmas card and I don't want
to be cut off that list.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But the different, But it is different, I mean, the idea,
the prospect for women now is vastly different than it
was even thirty years ago whatever, or when we were here.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
My own mom felt like she could not go get
a career. She felt like her job was to just
could be a nurse. Or a teacher, you know kind
of a thing.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Those were the two avenues. Yeah, and now I mean
my daughter is studying stuff. I don't even know how
to describe the Nobel Prize in terms of her chemistry
and physical not physical organic chemistry specifically, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I don't understand it. I would never.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
See in your mom's day and age, she would your
daughter's what twenty three, she'd be married and having kids
and there would be no time.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
For the lab.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
That's you're right. My mom was married by the time
she was ninety.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
The time change tables have changed. So what does that mean?
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So women now are gonna do all the things because
we've been shown it can be done. You can't have
a career, you can't have kids, you can do all
the things. It's just you got to move the slide moves.
So you're gonna be doing You're gonna be focused on
your career until you're thirty, and then you're gonna make
kids and get married and everything just gets shifted. And
that's why people are having babies later right because of women.
(22:59):
And they're just decision to work and not to jump
into the traditional lifestyle right away. They can still do it.
I think there's a lot of women that want both.
They want to have the career and then they want
to be able to stay home take care of their
kids and have their husband take care of things when
it's his time to take care of everything.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Yeah, And what's interesting to me is also like how
long it's taken for the pendulum to kind of shift,
Because for years I've been coming in here talking about how, yes,
it's a growing population of stay at home dads or
dads that are helping out more, but across the board,
dads are not doing enough in the home. They're not
doing enough of the cleaning and the cooking and the
(23:36):
taking care of the kids. Right, Like, you can't just
have that traditional role as a dad anymore where you
just like I go make money, I come home, I
drink my Tom Collins and then the kids prepare their
speeches of what their day was, like let's leave it
to beaver.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Like I think people still do that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
You think so, Yeah, I used to drink Collins mix, Oh,
just clean, just Colins.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I loved a vodka Collins. That was a good drink.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
We'll come back or justin Morshaw.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Here we go we're drinking now.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
At the top of the hour, we're going to get
into our trending stories. Do not forget. Today is Wednesday,
So it's what you watch on Wednesday. A couple of
stories of some shows that are coming up. One that
Shannon said she knows the whole story but still can't
tear herself away from the documentary.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So let us know what you're watching.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Leave us a talkback message on the iHeart app by
hitting that little button and it's got a little microphone
on it, leaves us a message. Justin Warsham has joined
as we talk about parenting stuff with Justin and speaking
of a commodation. Watched this connection. Oh what you're watching Wednesday?
We're going to talk about Toy Story five. Have you
seen this trailer yet?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
All the toys are terrified because the kid gets a tablet.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I love the I mean it's probab about ten fifteen
years too late, but I love the story and I
love the idea of It's the idea of reducing screen
time for kids is something that we've advocated for years
on this show. At the beginning, it was simply because
kids were rude in restaurants. I mean, if you go
(25:20):
to a restaurant and a kid's on a tablet, it's
always way too loud or you're, you know, robbing the
kid at the ability to understand social cues about when
to pipe down, when to speak up, when to be
heard from, and when to just be cute. And there
are parents now trying to reduce their kids screen time.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, and my issue with it is the is using
it as a pacifier. The bigger to me, this is
me interpreting what I've talked to an expert since seen
in like research, is that the population of children is
growing with an inability to deal with negative experiences because
they've always got something to distract them. And this is
I pronounce his name correctly, Jason Nagatta. He's an associate
(26:00):
professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco,
and he was talking about the American Academy Pediatrics recommends
that parents create a family media use plan, which is
very much like a technology contract I would imagine, and
what they talk about, there's this family that he talks
about What they did was they noticed their kids were
using it a lot, and so I like the way
(26:21):
they sat down with them, and all of the experts
I've ever talked to would agree with this is they said, hey,
we have learned something that you using this tablet so
much is not a good thing for you. So we're
gonna we have to rain this back. And what I
like about that is it's not like parents coming in
having to say, like we are saying this is not okay,
(26:41):
because that implies I think to a kid, you have
done something wrong as a child, which is not the message.
I like that they're kind of owning up, like this
is how you handle things when you find that you
have a misunderstanding about them. And then they say we
wean them off of and there was resistance, but eventually
life in general just improved when they had less of
this distraction.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I guess it would be similar to telling a kid, hey,
I know I've been feeding you you who for the
last you know, every night for the last four weeks,
and I realize that's not good for you because you
can't you can't sleep, and your guts don't work no more.
Whatever happens to a kid who has four weeks worth
of you who But the idea of what do you
(27:24):
call it, of logically explaining something to kids like this
is a little bit lost on me. Oh really, well
only because I guess it would depend on the age
and wescapoint what level they are in terms of that,
of their comprehension of that. But it is something to say, hey,
I mean the idea that you would scold them without
(27:45):
really an explanation, right, would probably.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I think coming in and saying you are on your screen.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Too much, so we have to minimize that, right, I think,
like I'm also even looking at it.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
My older son especially has started to like.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
But moments where I've had of shorter fuse, he calls
me on it, like holds up a mirror to He's like, damn,
but everything.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Okay, like you good? And I don't like it. I'll
be honest, I do not like it.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
I prefer the much more compliant four year old version
of him, right, the smaller I.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Have enough introspection going on in my life. I think
we all can agree. I don't need impiling it on.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Okay guy, but but yeah, it's it's talking to them
and saying like this is we have to we have
to change this, and we have to do it better
because and I talk about it all the time on here,
is that you know, the more kids use social media,
the more likely they are to become depressed. The thing
I want to add to that is that I just
I think that as parents, and I would ump myself
(28:39):
into this. I think I've started to be guilty of this.
But don't notice any time or I've gone all the
way through where you see something like this and mean
and say and interpret it to me.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
No social media whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
You can never use a tablet, And that's not the
message either. What we're really talking about in all things
is moderation, right like, and you have to look.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
At your kid and what they can and can't handle.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But it's hard when the company are wired to get
your kid addicted.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
My oration is very tough.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, it's almost think of alcohol this way, where there's
certain advertisements about alcohol that make it sound fun and
it's exciting, and there's always pool parties and beer is
great for you and all that sort off.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
You just went hiking. Here's a michelob ultra.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But there's an there has to be an aspect of
it as you as an adult of somebody who's going
to do this, which in this case is drink beer.
You have to know that the negative, what the negatives
are that would be associated with it, Like, you have
to be fully informed about it so that you can
make that decision. Kids, I don't think are fully informed
about If I'm on my screen, whatever kind of screen
(29:40):
it is, for seven hours a day, if that's the
thing that is taking up most of my time, I
don't have much I don't have any ability to learn
about the potential negatives of it because all my time
is sucked into this one thing.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
And I think, I think the people who get really
hard up about technology and screen time also seem to
not have a different approach when it comes to like nutrition, Right,
they talk about moderation for sweets, but they don't they
you know what I mean? Like they feel like they
and I don't know, because here to your point, Shannon,
do you think that when you become a certain age
you suddenly have the ability to develop the discipline that
(30:15):
you need in Are you right? Because what I learned
in my two kids that was very.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
My two kids.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
One kid, for a moment in his life, he felt
like Instagram was a distraction, So he just deleted off
his phone. I didn't even know he did it. He
didn't make a proclamation that he did it. He didn't
do anything like that. But my younger son, it like you,
he's different. You have to regulate those things for him.
And I've learned that because I've never regulated their screen time,
because I hope that it would teach them the self discipline,
(30:44):
that they would start to see the pitfalls.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And he has.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
My younger son, his grades have fallen because he prioritized
playing video games, and now I take the video games
away and he's getting his grades better. And he but
he asked me just this week, he was like, I've
made the effort. Can I now have games back? And
I was like no, and I'm sorry, but that's not
how life works.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I love that argument.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I've made the effort.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
And that's very much as mother, as much as I
love her.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well, And that goes full circle to treating your kids.
You know you different kids receive different treatment. That's exactly
what Shack taught us. Yeah, what would Shack do? What
would Shack do?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Oh? I'd be such a better parent if I was
seven feet tall. Well, uh, and a billionaire.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Right, there's that you've been listening to The Gary and
Shannon Show. You can always hear us live on KFI
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Tensions between India and Pakistan are on the rise again.
Yesterday both countries' capitals were hit by explosions.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Just a day apart.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Tuesday afternoon, there was a suicide bomber that's self detonated
next to a police car outside of court building in Islamabad, Pakistan,
killed at least twelve. There was another a car bomb
that went off also in India's capital, too are so
far balmy fall is going to give way to quite
a bit of cooler temperatures and rain. Tomorrow is expected
(00:40):
to be the hardest rain fall late tomorrow, possibly into Friday.
The storm system's coming in going to push inland by Saturday,
when all of a sudden done. You could see some
places that get three four inches of rain before Sunday
rolls around. I wanted to give everybody a quick remind though,
that we are Rain or Shine Live at Luchdoor Brewing
(01:04):
Company in Chino Hills coming up on Friday.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
We will be out there from nine am to one
to pm.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
We have stuff to give away.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
They have stuff to give away, including pairs of tickets
to the Hops in the Hills event that is coming
up on Saturday, and they have let us know. Jamie
and friends at luchd Or Brewing Company have said that
Hops in the Hills event is rain or shine one
hundred percent chance of beer.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Absolutely, little Rain's not going to ruin that come on now,
In fact, it make it more of an adventure. Well,
swamp Watch is here, and we were talking about Gavin
Newsome and how he may be peaking too early for
twenty twenty eight. Well, I've got a new old name
for you. That is Entering the Fright. It's where we
kick off our look at Washington.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar.
And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Yeah, we got the real problem is that our leaders
are Dune the other side.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
He never quit. So what.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
I'm not going anywhere so that you.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Train the squat, I can imagine what can be and
be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
You know, Americans have always been going at present they're scrupid.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
The truth I have that people voted for you with
na swap watch they're all countering.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
So here is that name who is considering a White
House bid, and he's got an interesting take on how
the Democrats could tackle or should tackle crime. The name
is former mayor of Chicago from Emmanuel.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Former White House Chief of Staff Rama Manual.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
He says about Democrats grappling with how to cut into
one of the Republicans' core issues in the midterms, which
will be crime. He says he's got his own approach
to public safety and he's laying it out as we
speak with police leaders in Washington today. He wants to
call for pairing community policing methods with tough on major
(03:05):
crime tactics and youth interventions, a holistic approach, a model
for cities. He says, for fellow Democrats to combat the
electoral narrative that they're weak on crime, the defund the
police thing gets you freaking nowhere in the midterms, and
he wants to highlight that. He said Democrats should not
be scared of it, and they should be proactive about
(03:28):
what their agenda is for crime. He served three presidents
across levels of government, and he's trying to position himself
as the forefront of the democratics, the Democrats conversations on
how to tackle public safety and crime.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
He's one of those guys that probably deserves a lot
of credit for his political acumen.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
But is he a politician?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Is he one of those guys that would cut through
and become you sort of embraced the celebrity nature of
politicians that we may hate it, but it is kind
of just a fact of reality, and running for running
for office.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
He may be enough anti politician to work out.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
He doesn't make me go ugh the way that some
people like the Gaven Newsom totally polished politicians do. And remember,
as mayor there in Chicago, he had a surge of
murders and shootings. They had the deadliest year there in
two decades in twenty sixteen. He also had that awful
(04:36):
handling of the twenty fourteen murder of the black teenager
by the white cop that caused issues for him there.
But he has captured headlines for going after Trump when
it comes to crime and immigration. JP Pritzker is another
one whose name has been flitted about in the conversation,
(05:00):
but you're right, man, I mean you highlighted that point
really well, that it is way too early. It's not
too early to start talking about the midterms, so and
things that matter in the midterms, and crime is one
of those things.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
And that whatever matters in the midterms could clearly dictate
what goes on two years later. But the House will
be back in session today to vote on a spending
package that would end our government shut down. Progressives are
now mad that a group of Senate Democrats Centrists broke
after forty one days to strike a deal with Republicans
on this spending package without getting a cemented commitment on
(05:35):
extending the healthcare subsidies from expiring healthcare subsidies under Obamacare.
Polls have continued to show that Republicans are likely taking
the blame for this, more so than the Democrats, but
Republicans have been spinning this as a complete win. Mike Johnson,
speaker said it really was a shutdown about nothing. I mean,
(05:58):
what we're voting on is effectively what we offered them
several weeks back.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And it's funny.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
I've heard a couple of Republican lawmakers say we're just
going back to September thirtieth, We didn't. They held out
and didn't get anything as a result of it. One
of the things that's going to happen is now that
the House is going to go back in session. Congresswoman
elect at Alitea Grival Grialva out of Arizona is going
(06:22):
to be sworn in today. She hasn't been sworn in
because the House hasn't been in session while this government
shutdown has.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Been going on.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
She will be sworn into session today and she is
believed to be the deciding vote when it comes to
the forcing of the release of all of the files
on Jeffrey Epstein. The cascade is set to begin tonight.
Like I said, she'll be sworn in right before the
House votes to end the government shutdown. After that, she
(06:51):
says she will affix the two hundred and eighteenth and
final signature to the discharge petition.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
That is a bipartisan petition.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
By the way, Roe Conna from here in California and
Thomas Massey, Republican out of Kentucky, they will when she
signs that, as she says she will, that will force
a vote on the full release of the Department of
Justice's Epstein Files.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Coming up next, your chance at one thousand dollars. Also
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Like that coffee could cost you five or maybe five
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(07:35):
you what we know when we come back.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
At the bottom of the hour, Justin Warsham is going
to join us and we talk parenting specifically. You know
what Shack says to his kids?
Speaker 3 (07:55):
How many kids?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I four or five.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
You're a fan of taking parenting advice from professional athletes
because they don't spend a lot of time for the
most part raising the children. That's usually the mother. But
I'm I'm here for it. He has been out of
the game for a while, so.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Personal life, Yeah, I'm not sure how many kids he yes,
I know he's got sons and daughters, but I'm not
sure the numbers specifically. But he's got some interesting differences
between the way he would raise sons versus daughters.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Okay, so ay, we'll talk about it, doesn't everybody?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yes, yes, well, I mean I would think if you
had multiple kids, you would just have different rules for everybody,
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Speaker 1 (09:23):
Credit cards they are about to give us a bit
more of a headache. There's a settlement between Visa and
MasterCard that we may soon become privy to at the
checkstand merchants. They say could bring about tiered pricing based
on which credit card you use. The agreement that was
(09:45):
made allows merchants to apply varying surcharges based on credit
card categories. This is not a done deal, it still
needs court approval, but it could mean that your coffee
could be five dollars some days, or five ten or
five twenty five, depending on how you pay.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I'm I remember an economics teacher in high school who
told us if you ever buy something at a local
store or whatever, you could always ask for the cash
price as opposed to the credit price, and that there
was a difference because if you were using a credit card,
and this was back when, well in the old days,
(10:29):
we didn't carry around debit cards, but that they would
give you a discount of a few percentage points if
they were a reputable I remember him telling you that
never tried it, never believed it, but he was an
economics teacher, so everybody just took it as gospel. I guess,
but that there has always been sort of baked into
the prices, especially lately in the last say, twenty five years,
(10:52):
twenty twenty five years, because the use of debit cards
and credit cards has become so ubiquitous for daily, every
day simple transactions like oh, I don't know, a cup
of coffee, you know, to point out the example that
you had. Merchants have always had the right to refuse
to do business with a payment network entirely. I don't
(11:13):
know why you would not want I mean, why you
would cut off a customer if you said, I'm sorry,
we don't accept what's a third Discover card or something
like we don't accept that.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Oh, you're gonna get in trouble with Discovery. They'll pair
are a lot of money into their ad campaign about
where Discover we'll get you everywhere.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
But look at Costco.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Costco only accepts Visa credit cards in stores that right,
and they used to not accept debit cards and you
used to just be credit cards. The current network rules
say that if a store accepts one Visa credit card,
it has to accept all Visa credit cards. One of
the more likely outcomes now is that you're going to
(11:52):
see these fees, small fees if you pay with a
credit card instead of cash, and that those tend to
apply broadly across credit cards. So a basic, no fill
frills credit card, for example, maybe one that doesn't have
extra miles or points or things like that, could come
with a surcharge of two and a half percent of
the transaction amount three percent if you do have one
(12:14):
that's got airline miles or rewards or points or something
like that. They said that the settlement would require the
banks to add clear visual markers to cards to help
consumers and merchants determine which category your card falls into. That, however,
will take multiple years, and for merchants, they say adding
(12:35):
a surcharge obviously would help offset their costs, but again,
you run the risk of just turning away people who
love their credit card or a specific card that works
for them. You start adding two and a half three
percent may be pennies on the actual transaction, but you
give people the impression that you just want to take
more money away from them. So it's not going anywhere
(12:58):
anytime soon. Have you been to a Target lately? Have
you used your credit card to Target?
Speaker 5 (13:03):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
Target?
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Yes, I was at Target over the weekend. I bought
one thing. This is a very big deal.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I'm surprised we haven't mentioned this.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
I bought one thing at Target over the weekend and
I let something go yesterday. What is Oh yeah, I'm
in a.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Lot of growth. I'm in a period of growth. This
is change.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I do not like this.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
I do not like change. I think we discussed this
many many times.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
I know, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
There's a new policy at Target for the employees in
their red shirts and khaki pants. This new ten to
four policy requires any employee within ten feet of a
customer to smile, no, to make eye contact, to use friendly, approachable,
welcoming body length.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
You know what, It's actually good for you to smile
and to do all these things. It's good for you.
Forget about the person you're smiling at.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
It is good for you.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
It is good for your energy to create people with
a smile, and all of the things that they want
people to do. I just don't think it should be mandated.
It's like when the government tells you to do something,
It's like, Okay, even if I agree with you, I
should do that. You telling me to do that makes
me not want.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
To do it.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Listen, we've talked about socialism before, right, and obviously that's
getting a new Heyday with Mom Donnie and maybe this
new mayor in Seattle. I believe in socialism, but voluntary socialism.
I believe that we should be generous. We should gift
if we have been blessed with extra we should give
it away. But the government telling me to do that
(14:34):
is a very different thing.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Jesus telling me to do it is fine. The government
different ballgames.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
So there's a two part of this policy.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
The ten foot part, of course, is if you're within
ten feet of a customer, smile, eye contact, good body language.
If you're within four feet of a customer, you must
greet them.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Grab them on the ass, smile, got to grab a
handful of something.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
You must initiate a warm, helpful interaction.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
The smile from ten feet. Let's you know what's coming
up at four feet.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Right, And when my hands come up like this, when
I get t rex arms, you know I'm coming in
for the we are.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Awful, the good stuff.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
The thing is is like, I'm gonna so do that.
Like the next time I'm at Target and I see
this going on, I'm like, you're gonna You don't need
to do it.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
You don't need to do it. I don't need the fluffing.
We don't need that. You don't want to smile at me,
do not. It's cool. I read the story.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
I know you're just doing it because you've been told,
you've been mandated. There's one hardware store that I like
to go to because it's small, it's not the big one,
and you cannot walk in four inches into the door
without somebody asking if you need help.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Do you know what I love about hardware stores?
Speaker 3 (15:46):
The smell, the smell of the fertilizer.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
No, I well, I love that there's a hardware store
in my hometown that never changed. It's in the same
place on Grant Avenue, and it's it's nice because to
your point, and I like things that don't change. The
other thing is, is I love coming up with a
name for a hardware store. Nuts and bolts, you know,
Like there's just so many you know, got would you
(16:12):
know what I mean? Like, there's so many things you
could come up with for a hardware store. You know
what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
It's fun.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It's a fun exercise. Anyway, Gary and Shannon will continue.
I need a hobby. Maybe I should go get a
project at said hardware store.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
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Speaker 2 (16:34):
The reminder, We're gonna be out at Luchador Brewing Company.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Oh this Friday.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
We'll be out there in Chino Hills to help kick
off their hops in the Hills event. Oh yes, they
have reminded us it is rain or shine, not just
our event, because there's going to be indoors obviously, but
the outdoors, the hops in the Hills event rain or shine.
If you do go out on Saturday, they do have
a free.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Parkas that they're going to have.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
Yes, they don't know a percentage per chance for rain
parks ponchos.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Come on, let's pull up our pants here.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Oh right, well some people don't.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
What are we doing?
Speaker 6 (17:15):
I wish the listeners still could see the look on
your face, because, at least for me, the look on
your face was like you came in very aggressive with
that yeah, and then you looked around like, wait, am
I right? Is there some am I being toned deaf
to some situation?
Speaker 5 (17:27):
Well? I take off?
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, I mean, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
We're at a beer festival. A little couple drops of
rain from the sky.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Is gonna I'm not.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
I'm just saying they have free ponchos available. I'm sorry
if you're a pants that I forgot to add that
part of it.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Oh there is, yeah, Oh thank you. I can also
de escalate, which makes no sense.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
We'll be out there on Friday.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
The Hops in the Hills event is going to be
on Saturday, but we do have tickets that we're going
to be giving away on Friday, So we'd love to
see you out there, Chino Hills, lucid Or Brewing Company
Friday at nine am.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Justin Worsham is with us, host of the Dad Podcast. Today,
we're going to be talking about Shaquille O'Neill and his
different rules for girls versus his rules for boys under
his room?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Can he tells city how many kids he's got?
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Oh no, I didn't look into that. I did because
we I don't know how many kids he's got. He's
got at least six and the steps on. So he
sometimes refers to having six or seven kids.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Whole lot of kids.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah so, and I don't know the breakdown gender wise,
but multiples of each.
Speaker 3 (18:28):
We do know that.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Here's what shocking that I think about that is that
he was born in Newark, New Jersey. Like this to
me seems like a very southern thing.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Well, I believe he grew up I mean born in
New Jersey, but think he spent most of his time
in the South somewhere Yonio.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
This thing seems like I said, what does he do.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
He's saying that, thank you, Shennon.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
He's saying that if you were a boy at eighteen
years of age, you got to get up out his house.
But if you are a daughter, you could stay there
as long as your heart desires, and he will subsidize
your edge as much as you want, because he feels
he believes in traditional gender roles and that as a man,
it is your job to protect and take care of
your woman. And it's very interesting because personally, right I
(19:13):
like this, and what it made me think of is
that people, at least in my social groups tend to
get very up in arms about traditional gender roles and
how it has some kind of a negative impact on
society at large, and that somehow it's also damaging to women,
I think in particular.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
And I don't know.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
You tell me if you think, I'll tell you, Like,
my wife would love nothing more than for me to
make enough of a living where she didn't have to
do anything and I could completely take care of her,
like I'm sure that, and.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
That's how she's wired.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
But it's interesting that we seem to have this expectation,
in my opinion, culturally, to be sensitive to people's religious beliefs.
But in regard to like gender roles, we cannot. Like,
if you expect a woman to be somebody who's like,
You're going to stay and take care of house things
and kid things, and I'm going to take care of
money things, that seems to be that now you are
(20:03):
subjecting that woman to a life that she does not want,
even if arguably, like again, my wife would sign up,
you probably leave.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Me even if she could.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
She could, I mean she could, she absolutely could, she
absolutely could.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
But it's funny I didn't think of it that way,
just in terms of there are people who choose to
live a t I mean finger quotes traditional lifestyle, but
and they choose to live that way. It's not like
it's imposed upon or or they get married and then
all of the sudden the rules then emerge like oh no, no,
(20:39):
I'm sorry. You do not get to have a job,
You do not get to do things other than kick
them shoes off, get fat, get in that kitchen kind
of thing, serve me right.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Which it's never how it goes, at least in the
ones I've seen.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That may have been in TV shows from fifty years ago,
but that does not exist no, like.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Even in my situation, my wife has no idea what's
going on with her finances. I make all the decision
I run stuff by her, but she definitely doesn't want
to know. She doesn't want to be involved. But I
the way I process that is that mean that I
just have to be aware of what she wants and
make sure she gets it as much as I humanly can.
She gets far more of what she wants than I do,
and so I don't I don't think. I don't mean that.
(21:21):
Am I accidentally slipping this some kind of like couple
therapy or this crap.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
I hate it when I step in stuff here.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
I'm staying out of it.
Speaker 6 (21:31):
Smart Gary's like, I wish I could. You guys are
just leave and I'll just say her talk to the
listeners myself.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Let them worship family Christmas card and I don't want
to be cut off that list.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
But the different, But it is different, I mean, the idea,
the prospect for women now is vastly different than it
was even thirty years ago whatever, or when we were here.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
My own mom felt like she could not go get
a career. She felt like her job was to just
could be a nurse. Or a teacher, you know kind
of a thing.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Those were the two avenues. Yeah, and now I mean
my daughter is studying stuff. I don't even know how
to describe the Nobel Prize in terms of her chemistry
and physical not physical organic chemistry specifically, I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
I don't understand it. I would never.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
See in your mom's day and age, she would your
daughter's what twenty three, she'd be married and having kids
and there would be no time.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
For the lab.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
That's you're right. My mom was married by the time
she was ninety.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
The time change tables have changed. So what does that mean?
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Right?
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So women now are gonna do all the things because
we've been shown it can be done. You can't have
a career, you can't have kids, you can do all
the things. It's just you got to move the slide moves.
So you're gonna be doing You're gonna be focused on
your career until you're thirty, and then you're gonna make
kids and get married and everything just gets shifted. And
that's why people are having babies later right because of women.
(22:59):
And they're just decision to work and not to jump
into the traditional lifestyle right away. They can still do it.
I think there's a lot of women that want both.
They want to have the career and then they want
to be able to stay home take care of their
kids and have their husband take care of things when
it's his time to take care of everything.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Yeah, And what's interesting to me is also like how
long it's taken for the pendulum to kind of shift,
Because for years I've been coming in here talking about how, yes,
it's a growing population of stay at home dads or
dads that are helping out more, but across the board,
dads are not doing enough in the home. They're not
doing enough of the cleaning and the cooking and the
(23:36):
taking care of the kids. Right, Like, you can't just
have that traditional role as a dad anymore where you
just like I go make money, I come home, I
drink my Tom Collins and then the kids prepare their
speeches of what their day was, like let's leave it
to beaver.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Like I think people still do that.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
You think so, Yeah, I used to drink Collins mix, Oh,
just clean, just Colins.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
I loved a vodka Collins. That was a good drink.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
We'll come back or justin Morshaw.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Here we go we're drinking now.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
At the top of the hour, we're going to get
into our trending stories. Do not forget. Today is Wednesday,
So it's what you watch on Wednesday. A couple of
stories of some shows that are coming up. One that
Shannon said she knows the whole story but still can't
tear herself away from the documentary.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
So let us know what you're watching.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Leave us a talkback message on the iHeart app by
hitting that little button and it's got a little microphone
on it, leaves us a message. Justin Warsham has joined
as we talk about parenting stuff with Justin and speaking
of a commodation. Watched this connection. Oh what you're watching Wednesday?
We're going to talk about Toy Story five. Have you
seen this trailer yet?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
All the toys are terrified because the kid gets a tablet.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I love the I mean it's probab about ten fifteen
years too late, but I love the story and I
love the idea of It's the idea of reducing screen
time for kids is something that we've advocated for years
on this show. At the beginning, it was simply because
kids were rude in restaurants. I mean, if you go
(25:20):
to a restaurant and a kid's on a tablet, it's
always way too loud or you're, you know, robbing the
kid at the ability to understand social cues about when
to pipe down, when to speak up, when to be
heard from, and when to just be cute. And there
are parents now trying to reduce their kids screen time.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, and my issue with it is the is using
it as a pacifier. The bigger to me, this is
me interpreting what I've talked to an expert since seen
in like research, is that the population of children is
growing with an inability to deal with negative experiences because
they've always got something to distract them. And this is
I pronounce his name correctly, Jason Nagatta. He's an associate
(26:00):
professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco,
and he was talking about the American Academy Pediatrics recommends
that parents create a family media use plan, which is
very much like a technology contract I would imagine, and
what they talk about, there's this family that he talks
about What they did was they noticed their kids were
using it a lot, and so I like the way
(26:21):
they sat down with them, and all of the experts
I've ever talked to would agree with this is they said, hey,
we have learned something that you using this tablet so
much is not a good thing for you. So we're
gonna we have to rain this back. And what I
like about that is it's not like parents coming in
having to say, like we are saying this is not okay,
(26:41):
because that implies I think to a kid, you have
done something wrong as a child, which is not the message.
I like that they're kind of owning up, like this
is how you handle things when you find that you
have a misunderstanding about them. And then they say we
wean them off of and there was resistance, but eventually
life in general just improved when they had less of
this distraction.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I guess it would be similar to telling a kid, hey,
I know I've been feeding you you who for the
last you know, every night for the last four weeks,
and I realize that's not good for you because you
can't you can't sleep, and your guts don't work no more.
Whatever happens to a kid who has four weeks worth
of you who But the idea of what do you
(27:24):
call it, of logically explaining something to kids like this
is a little bit lost on me. Oh really, well
only because I guess it would depend on the age
and wescapoint what level they are in terms of that,
of their comprehension of that. But it is something to say, hey,
I mean the idea that you would scold them without
(27:45):
really an explanation, right, would probably.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
I think coming in and saying you are on your screen.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
Too much, so we have to minimize that, right, I think,
like I'm also even looking at it.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
My older son especially has started to like.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
But moments where I've had of shorter fuse, he calls
me on it, like holds up a mirror to He's like, damn,
but everything.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Okay, like you good? And I don't like it. I'll
be honest, I do not like it.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
I prefer the much more compliant four year old version
of him, right, the smaller I.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Have enough introspection going on in my life. I think
we all can agree. I don't need impiling it on.
Speaker 6 (28:19):
Okay guy, but but yeah, it's it's talking to them
and saying like this is we have to we have
to change this, and we have to do it better
because and I talk about it all the time on here,
is that you know, the more kids use social media,
the more likely they are to become depressed. The thing
I want to add to that is that I just
I think that as parents, and I would ump myself
(28:39):
into this. I think I've started to be guilty of this.
But don't notice any time or I've gone all the
way through where you see something like this and mean
and say and interpret it to me.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
No social media whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
You can never use a tablet, And that's not the
message either. What we're really talking about in all things
is moderation, right like, and you have to look.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
At your kid and what they can and can't handle.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
But it's hard when the company are wired to get
your kid addicted.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
My oration is very tough.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, it's almost think of alcohol this way, where there's
certain advertisements about alcohol that make it sound fun and
it's exciting, and there's always pool parties and beer is
great for you and all that sort off.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
You just went hiking. Here's a michelob ultra.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
But there's an there has to be an aspect of
it as you as an adult of somebody who's going
to do this, which in this case is drink beer.
You have to know that the negative, what the negatives
are that would be associated with it, Like, you have
to be fully informed about it so that you can
make that decision. Kids, I don't think are fully informed
about If I'm on my screen, whatever kind of screen
(29:40):
it is, for seven hours a day, if that's the
thing that is taking up most of my time, I
don't have much I don't have any ability to learn
about the potential negatives of it because all my time
is sucked into this one thing.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
And I think, I think the people who get really
hard up about technology and screen time also seem to
not have a different approach when it comes to like nutrition, Right,
they talk about moderation for sweets, but they don't they
you know what I mean? Like they feel like they
and I don't know, because here to your point, Shannon,
do you think that when you become a certain age
you suddenly have the ability to develop the discipline that
(30:15):
you need in Are you right? Because what I learned
in my two kids that was very.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
My two kids.
Speaker 6 (30:22):
One kid, for a moment in his life, he felt
like Instagram was a distraction, So he just deleted off
his phone. I didn't even know he did it. He
didn't make a proclamation that he did it. He didn't
do anything like that. But my younger son, it like you,
he's different. You have to regulate those things for him.
And I've learned that because I've never regulated their screen time,
because I hope that it would teach them the self discipline,
(30:44):
that they would start to see the pitfalls.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
And he has.
Speaker 6 (30:46):
My younger son, his grades have fallen because he prioritized
playing video games, and now I take the video games
away and he's getting his grades better. And he but
he asked me just this week, he was like, I've
made the effort. Can I now have games back? And
I was like no, and I'm sorry, but that's not
how life works.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I love that argument.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I've made the effort.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
And that's very much as mother, as much as I
love her.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Well, And that goes full circle to treating your kids.
You know you different kids receive different treatment. That's exactly
what Shack taught us. Yeah, what would Shack do? What
would Shack do?
Speaker 4 (31:17):
Oh? I'd be such a better parent if I was
seven feet tall. Well, uh, and a billionaire.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Right, there's that you've been listening to The Gary and
Shannon Show. You can always hear us live on KFI
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