June 11, 2025 • 30 mins
#SWAMPWATCH – Gary and Shannon are reporting the latest news from Washington, D.C. Former President Donald Trump makes a bold announcement: he says a new trade deal with China is “done.” But what’s actually in the deal — and is it really a breakthrough, or just more bluster? We unpack what’s known and what’s still in the shadows. Meanwhile, Elon Musk is doing something rare — expressing regret. After a string of controversial tweets sparked backlash and confusion, Musk is now walking some of it back. Is this damage control, or a shift in tone from the billionaire CEO? We went live on the ground as L.A. Mayor Karen Bass and regional mayors issued an urgent call: stop the raids. With growing tension and community outrage, local leaders are demanding answers — and action. #PARENTING is talking about Dad’s.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
That's where we begin swamp Watch.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheap and a liar,
and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Here we got the real problem is that our leaders
are dune.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm not going anywhere. So now how you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Train the swat I can imagine what can be and
be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know, Mrvans have always been going at President. They're
not stupid.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Have the people voted for you were not swamp Watch,
They're all countera well.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
President Trump says he hopes to liberate Los Angeles. Spoke
yesterday at Fort Bragg in North Carolina. Said that the
La anti Ice protests prove that the once beautiful city
has turned into a trash heap that could have been
a headline from nineteen eighty seven. He called the protests violent.
Thank the National Guard and the Marines being deployed to
(01:02):
the city called the protesters invaders and insurrectionists. Unclear if
he will activate the insurrectionist order.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
That would then allow the National Guard and the Marine
Corps to come in and actually provide some sort of
law enforcement capacity on American soil.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I feel like everything's petered out, and I don't know
if part of the messaging is we don't want to
give Trump what he wants, or there's just not enough
momentum behind this particular wave of protests.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I've definitely heard that. I just don't know if it
trickles down to the morons who would be out there
doing the things that are causing all of the problems.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The neurons don't matter as much because they're fewer, Like
what fourteen looters or something arrested the other night. It's
that the massive show of numbers we see in the
Great Park right of the people who are actually protesting,
I'm wondering if their messaging has been you know what,
let's pick and choose. Now is not our time and
we don't want to add to this national political pissing match.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I think uh.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Gavin Newsom has definitely said that basically, if you're violent
or you're getting out of hand. You're playing into Trump's hands.
You are, you are exemplifying exactly what he's trying to
say is happening all the time, And I mean, how
how do you not? Again, they're not the majority of
the people that we're out there in Grand Park.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
They're going to get the headlines. They get the headlines.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
It happens all the time in all of these different stories,
the protests that go on. It's the It's not the
and to delineate, because I know a lot of people
have problems with the wording that we use. It's not
the protesters that are the ones getting in trouble. It's
the rioters. It's and yes, some of them, some of
those circles may overlap, But the people walking through downtown
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LA with a sign in their hand, That's not who
I'm worried about. They're not the ones that are that
are gonna make downtown an uninhabitable place. And they're the
the ones who are going to be throwing rocks onto
CHP vehicles. On the one on one, I.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Keep getting emails and messages from people that take issue
with the fact that I just quoted the President when
he was talking about his birthday slash army birthday celebration
this weekend, and he said any protesters will be met
with great force. I am not mincing, I am not
misquoting the president there.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
That's what he said.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I if he meant that he would meet any violence
with great force, I understand that. But he said any
protests will be met with great force.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
And if there's any protester once to come out, they
will be met with very big force.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So I'm just saying what the guy said.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
The birthday celebration, the army situation, that's all going to
happen on the fourteenth in DC. You're gonna have tanks
rolling through DC. The protests that we're supposed to materialize,
the King's protest, now there's word that those are not
going to materialize, at least not in DC. But again
it's early, it's Wednesday. We'll see how this progresses.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
The other significant issue out of Washington is that President
Trump said the newest trade deal with China is going
to provide the United States with necessary supplies of rare
earth minerals. It will also permit visas for Chinese students.
He suggested on truth Social that this thing is done
except for a final sign off with him and with
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Chinese President. She two days of talks in Geneva a
couple of weeks ago struck a deal that lowered tariffs
for about ninety days. That deal fell apart pretty quickly,
but ultimately there was that phone call that was held
between She and Trump last week prompted a new round
of talks in London that took place this week, and
then late last night, both sides said that they did
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agree to this framework to actually implement what was originally
agreed to in Geneva, and then of course final approval.
Trump posted on truth Social about it earlier today. Would
you like, yes, are you finished with your snack? With
my snack? I had some trail mix, yeah, and some berries.
(05:16):
I had some raspberries trying to eat like a squirrel. Okay,
you're not doing the thing where you lick your hands
and then you wipe your face yet.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah. Is this why you told me I can't move in?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So we were having a little conversation off the air everybody,
and if we had to take this show on the
road like Christian Slater and pump up the volume, I said,
I'd totally be fine doing this show from your house
and Gary's first. He didn't miss a beat, like, didn't
miss a beat, didn't ask, why are you even thinking
that we would have to just do the show from
my house?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Nothing? Nothing, nothing of that nature.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
The first thing he said, without missing a beat, The
words were barely out of my mouth.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I am.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
The words were this, I'm fine with doing the show
from your house. The words were this. As house was leaving,
it was still hanging in there house.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You'd even got to the s and he.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Goes, you're not moving in very serious, very matter of fact,
very clear and direct eye contact too, eye contact yep,
which doesn't happen all the time.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, it's true.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Elon Musk has some regrets. Probably shouldn't have said some
of them. Things maybe after that first hit a ketamine,
you close down the old Twitter app on your phone.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I think we should get some ketamine and it's not harmful, right,
it's just like a rex drug arm.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I don't know. I mean, just a little bit and
give it to you and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
No, not a you're not a big you're not any
ketamine guy. Yeah, you're not just not a big ketamine guy.
You're just well, this is why we miss Victor. We
need to get Victor back around here so we can
give him things and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Would you like your Jeopardy question briefly today? Yeah? Music
to my ears for a thousand.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
This singer who floated to number two with the song
Levitating has a first name that means love in Albanian.
You know the song Levitating. It was the album that
got us through the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Is it a leading Yes? I didn't realize that that's
what that meant. You can't move in Elon Musk.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Elon Musk is regretting some of his social media posts
about his former bestie, President Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
The narrative is that it was the Dragon Lady, Susie
Wiles and JD.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Vance. I got into Elon Musk's ear and said, you
got to walk this back.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
I can believe that. I was going to ask you,
do you believe I can totally believe that. Okay, Musk's
relation ship with Trump deteriorated?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Right.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
We knew that the relation, the official relationship in terms
of Musk's time as a special government employee was limited
because he had only you can only work for one
hundred and thirty one hundred and thirty four, whatever the
number is, you can only work for a certain amount
of time in that title, and his time was running
out at the end of May. So when we saw
that Oval Office send off, if you want to call it,
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that where the President actually gave Elon Musk, if you
remember the key to the White House and that cool
little box, I don't know how many of those are
floating around.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That was it was nice.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Now, a couple of days before that, Elon Musk had
come up with some criticism for the president's key piece
of legislation, the one big beautiful bill that is still
being caught in the Senate or still caught up in
the Senate.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And it was not it wasn't.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Really brought up, and it was sort of a and
it was explained away as even friends can disagree on
pieces of legislation.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That was it, and they kind of left it at that.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
But within about forty eight hours, the bombs were being
lobbed back and forth, and in fact Elon Musk referred
to the one big bombshell where he said Donald Trump's
name appears in the Epstein Files, and that I think
was the bridge too far for people like Susie Wiles
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and JD.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Van. It's funny because if Elon Musk was somebody in
advanced age, we would have said something like, oh my god,
like Epstein Files, I'll start to lose it. It's a
headline from six years ago. You know, get us something
fresh here, old man kind of a thing. Right, But
I'm wondering why why would Elon Musk listen to Susie
(09:43):
Wiles and JD Vance at this point?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Well, he does have a lot of financial interest and
a lot of contracts that come from the government, right,
which is one of the things that Trump, in response
to those posts, had said, Hey, one way for us
to save billions of dollars is to cancel all of
our Elon Musk affiliated contracts.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah. I don't know if it's that simple.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I also don't know what the relationship is between JD
Vance and Elon Musk.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
That Musk would listen to JD Vance. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
That just doesn't seems what the hell do I know?
I don't know, but that just seems like if I'm
Elon Musk, I'm not I'll take the call from jd Vance,
but I'm certainly not going to change my course of
action based on what he says.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, if I were jd.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Vance, he doesn't have the power yet in Washington to
play that puppet show.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
If I if I'm playing the jd Vance puppet, I
make my hand, make him say, hey, listen, it doesn't
cost anything for you to go on your mega platform
of X and just say something like I didn't mean
some of the things I said. I'm sorry, he's not
as us. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
That's exactly what sounds like.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
It sounds like a grade school type it was from
the The thing is, it's just that there, it is
a grade school of fight.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
It's just that it's played out on the international stage, right.
And if you get Jadie Vance to just come in
and say listen, we'll stop, just stop it.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
We won't say anything else.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
You don't say anything else, but you should apologize for
the whole Epstein files. Thing like that would to me
was the bigger one that even if even if there
was nothing new about tru you know, there was no
surprises I should say, or nothing new to report on
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his name being in the file, we knew that they
had an association, We knew that they were hung around
each other. But unless you are going to actually accuse
the president of some sort of a crime, let's let's,
you know, kick back on the whole the Epstein association thing.
And if Jade Vance has the ability to make the
call and have the call accepted, why not have him
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ask for that?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
All right, We're to take a quick break. Justin Wisham's
going to join us.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
We're going to be talking about the author of the
Anxious Generation, talking about fathers taking a role with their
kids and what that role is. When we return, we
also have eyes on City Hall, will bring you there
when the mayor comes to the podium about whatever announcement
she's going to make with regard to the city's response
to protests.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
It's all right here, you're listening to Gary and Shannon
on demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
We're going to go live down to downtown Los Angeles.
Mayor Karen Bass with an update.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
This was a provoc This was provoked by the White House.
The reason why we don't know, I pause it that
maybe we are part of a national experiment to determine
how far the federal government can go in, reaching in
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and taking over power from a governor, power from a
local jurisdiction, and frankly leaving our city and our citizens,
our residents in fear. All of us represent cities in
this region where immigrants are key, and if in some
cases not the majority of the population. To have people
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live in fear like it is today is just unacceptable.
So we started off by hearing the administration wanted to
go after violent felons, gang members, drug dealers. But when
you raid home depots and workplaces, when you tear parents
and children apart, and when you run armored caravans through
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our streets, you're not trying to keep anyone safe. You're
trying to cause fear and panic. And when you start
deploying federalized troops on the heels of these raids, it
is a drastic and chaotic escalation and completely unnecessary. These
aren't the criminals the administration is allegedly targeting. These are
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mothers and fathers, restaurant workers, seamstress, home care workers, every
day angelinos trying to make a living. We've heard stories
of unmarked federal vans park near LAUSD school graduations, a
US citizen nine months pregnant who was hospitalized after being
detained by federal agents, and an apparel business in downtown
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La raided where many Korean and Latino workers work long
hours to support their families.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Let me just say that I am very proud.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
To stand here with the mayors the leadership of so
many cities. But you should take note that the individuals
that are here with me today are all leaders in
their area, and we all stand in support and solidarity
and call for the raids to end. Now it's my
pleasure to introduce Mayor Lemons from the City of Paramount.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
Thank you, Mayor Baths for bringing us together today and
for your leadership in this difficult time. I stand before
you today as the mayor of Paramount, a proud, tight
knit community that has been deeply shaken by recent events.
In the last few days, our residents have faced loss, uncertainty,
and fear. For many in our city, this has been
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one of the most devastating moments in recent memory. Lives
have been disrupted, families are too afraid to leave their homes,
and the very places that once served as gathering spots
for joy, like our beloved swap Meat, have been marred
by fear as a vibrant gathering place for our diverse community.
Some are avoiding going to work. Okay, it continues to
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get worse.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
If anybody has anecdotes of people's children being ripped from them,
or home depot being an actual place where where these
raids are taking place, people being corralled in the parking
lot or what have you, please.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Let me know.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I will read all of it. I've looked for it actively.
I can't find anything other than just the narrative, don't.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
If you've got evidence of that, please send it to us.
But until I see it, I cannot continue to fall
into this. They're ripping people's childrens from them, sending moms
and dads to Guantanamo Bay type thing. If that's happening,
let us know.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Yeah, it's the stories that are being repeated. It's hard
to trace them back to any sort of evidence that
started those stories.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Right, we learned that it wasn't a home depot raid
on Friday. It was a planned raid of a business
in the Garment district where there had been evidence that
there had been a widespread trafficking, racketeering.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Operation money laundering to the two of tens of millions
of dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Right, This was not going to the home depot and
corralling up people looking for a day's work.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
That's not what that was.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So if you've got evidence of that kind of thing, though,
by all means, show.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It to me.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
This is Mayor Bass and she was talking with other
regional mayors that have stood behind her.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Now at La City Hall.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
The Mayor of Paramount is now speaking, So this is
if they have any information about, for example, the curfew
or anything like that that's relevant to everybody else, will
we'll definitely bring that to you. But in the meantime,
our friend Justin Warsham has joined us back to the
Gary and Channon Show here on KFI Live Everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. We have talked many times now about
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Jonathan Hate and his book The Ancients Yours in my
newest like most contemporary parenting book like the Favorite Yeah,
and specifically The Anxious Generation is about the impact that
technology has on kids, technology screen, specifically social media, all
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of that stuff, and how we as parents aren't doing
our kids a favor by allowing them free reign on
an open market for stupidity or however, you want to
put it.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
He draws a direct core connection in this book between
the fact that there's instant gratification and constant stimulus and
how that the correlation, the connection of when those phones
smartphones started to phase into teenage society that so went
this draw or this increase in depression, anxiety, and a
lot of people, I don't get me wrong, A lot
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of people want to blame social media, and I don't
know that it's necessarily social media specifically. I think there's
a bigger problem in that you have the phone becomes
a distraction where you don't know how to deal with
being bored, and and then you also have this parenting
movement that makes it where people don't know how to
deal with negative experiences, like we pacify children at every
time with any opportunity that we can, and I don't
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know that that's the right thing to do for whatever
it seems to ourselves. Now. Yeah, exactly, Like it's hard
to like it's a weird thing where people go. You
know what I did. I went on a walk the
other day and I just walked. It was so nice. Yeah,
it was so nice.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
I love standing in a line. I don't love standing
in line. But I love standing in a line without
my phone or without you know, looking at it, because
then I get to look at and judge everybody else
because no one is looking up at me, no, no one.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I got five seconds. I laughed at myself. I put
my phone in my pocket because I texted people that
I was beating for coffee. I set their line for
what had to be five mississips, and then I pulled
my phone back out again, and I giggled when I
did it, and then went about sending emails.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
There is a direct correlation.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I firmly believe this, and don't think I'm so woo
woo for saying it. But a direct correlation between battling
anxiety and having moments of silence and peace. Yeah, whether
it's meditation or taking that walk without stimulation, whatever, there's
absolutely a correlation to reducing your anxiety the more moments
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of peace.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
That you have.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And at its core, I think that's what he's talking
about in this interview where he points out that kids
need to be pushed beyond their fear and their comfort
zone in order to build resilience, and he kind of
says that he's really calling out dads because that traditionally
has been their role. He also says it doesn't mean
moms can't do it. He just said, for whatever reason, psychologically,
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this seems to be the thing that dads do without
even thinking about it. They're the ones that are like, yeah,
go do this thing, or they want to play monster
when the kids are young because they want to just
scare them a little, but in a fun way.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
There's something very off putting about dads who are the
careful ones. Oh to me, I'm looking right at you
when I say this, but I mean if you got yeah,
oh okay, good.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I'm not but maybe emotionally.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yes, you can't laugh away.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
If you are if you if you're a dude and
you have kids, and you're the one who says, careful
with that, it's sharp, that stove is hot, Careful all
around the stairs, careful, careful, don't touch that, careful with that,
don't put your hand in the dog's face, don't.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Do like that. To me, is very off putting.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
It is.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
And as a there are obvious things that I would
want my kids to be careful about, yes, but me
telling them to be careful is nowhere near as great
a lesson as the dog biting their thumb, or the
stove actually being hot, or the knife actually being sharp.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, natural consequences are awesome. They're great teachers. I say
this a lot, but one of the top, like I
don't know, themes of the of parenting that my dad
gave to me was he will constantly tell the story
about him and my grandfather where my grandfather would just
tell him to go do stuff around the farm, and
my dad, as like a seven eight year old, would go, well,
if he's asking you to do it, it must mean
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I could do it. But as he got older, he
realized that these were just tests. These were just him
like throwing it into a problem and seeing if he
could figure it out. And my dad learned as an
adult that that's where his self esteem came from.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Go fix that head gasket leak on the tractor.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You're not exaggerating. I mean my dad and my uncle
drove a stick shift pickup to feed the cattle on
the ranch and they got in a fight and took
out about twenty yards a fence and then had to
go fix the fence. And my grandfather was like, this
is just what it was. These are all just natural consequences.
Presenting themselves and so he talks about like and my
version of this was my wife hated this. We lived
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on the same block as our elementary school, and my
kids wanted to walk home from school by themselves, and
I said sure, and she's like, what are you doing.
I said, they're walking to school and they're walking home
from school, and she's like, that's not safe. I go,
there are hundreds of people around dropping their kids off.
If somebody grabs one of them and they're screaming or something,
somebody's going to do something. But also, that's not the
time to grab a cand does that's busy prime time.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's lazy.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
They're not even crossing a street, lady like. And to me,
the best example of this was that when my I
would drop Jacob off in kindergarten. Jack was maybe two
or three, and he goes, can I go home? And
I and he loved it. He loved running around the
corner where I could not see him as soon as
we dropped him off, because he liked going into the door,
and he loved being in the house by himself. Jacob
was not this way, but he just loved all of it.
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And so I was like, great, like knock yourself out.
And he told me. One time, this guy stopped and said, hey,
are you okay? And he said, he goes, I know
I'm not supposed to talk to trangers. So I gave
him a thumbs up, and I ran in the house.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
By a kid outside by himself, walking some way in.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You call your wife lady to her face. Yeah, all right,
we'll continue with Justin there. Can he move?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Absolutely? I could move in. I'm standing room in that
Harry Potter thing that they have in Olivia's room. Yeah,
the little the little shelf that's where there's a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Of liquor in there right now. Yeah, that's pretty We'll
continue with Justin here in just a moment. Again, we
are listening to the mayor Bass and some other mayors
that are calling for an end to the immigration raids.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
But there are no specific.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
News about the the riots that were going on through
downtown last night. So if there is, we'll bring it
to you, but we'll continue with Justin when we come back.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Who do you guys have in tonight's congressional baseball game?
You have Democrats or Republicans.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I have the guy that was shot, Steve Scalise. He
will be there. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think he plays anymore.
I do believe that he is coach. I think he's
I think.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
That's all I know about the Congressional baseball game is
Steve Scalise was shot at one.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Of them.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Fantasy camp.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I'll tell you that these guys are old, all right,
but the couple come a couple over the last couple
of years. I think a guy last year actually hit
a home run out of National Stadium.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Do you want me to show up at your adult
softball league and shoot someone?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
No, that would be bad.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Also, why would this be the time to ask of that?
There was just like a few minutes that would have
been prime time where nobody would have known.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I thought he was I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I thought he was romanticizing the Congressional baseball game, and
since there was a shooting at one, I thought I could.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Oh, you wanted him to feel like a equally important Yes,
like the people he was competing against in softball? Were
that worthy of being assassinated or attempted? Yeah? Okay, great, geez.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Thank you for understanding me. Rough housing.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I've said it before we were talking about Jonathan Hate challenges,
that the dads should be willing to challenge their kids
get in there, maybe not see how well they can
take a punch, but you know, understand the kids are
going to scrape their knees. One of the things we
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used to love doing, and I've mentioned before, is my
kids would jump up on our bed and we would
pillow fight.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
And the rule was, we'll do it as long as
no one cries.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
And then the first time someone cries, game over, and
I would hit them harder and harder.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Your son harder, no, but rarely. He was the first
one I think I've ever. I think I've seen my
brother cry once.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
He was like six. I mean, it wasn't like he
was fifteen or anything.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I don't know if this is your intent, but what
I like about your example is is that you're not
saying they can't feel You're just but you're also teaching
them to push through and manage the emotion. If they
want the fun to continue, they just got to hold
it together.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Because, in all honesty, if I'm hitting them with a pillow,
you could you can do some damage, but I'm hitting
them with pillow and they're falling down on a bed
covered with pillows.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Like this is the easiest.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You weren't taking the pillow launching it in their face
to throw them up against.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
A wall in the first ten minutes, like sibling fights.
That's like twenty minutes in when Gary's starting to feel winded.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
When I'm starting to get tired, I'm like, I need
somebody to cry.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
He starts putting. He starts putting onions in the pillowcase.
Is just to get anything, something going, something, to get
it started.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
But it's a pun.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
It's it's incumbent upon dads because just by our nature
to push that envelope, to push that free play, to
push the risk taking.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I love his example. He says, starting at eight years old,
you should find activities that your kid could do on
their own. And one of the examples, like he says,
you take up to a science center and you say,
go roam around and do whatever you want. I will
meet you in the cafeteria. And here's the I've traveled
with high school kids for a choir, and what's interesting
is is that you know, people go, what if the
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kid gets taken and all that stuff, But I think
that there's also that's a safe environment, right, it's an
enclosed space that you can also teach your kids to
exist in that discomfort and if they feel feared, then
that's going to make them more aware of their surroundings.
Like one of the young men on the trip, he
was we were traveling on this metro station late at
night in downtown Dallas, and he actually said about one
of the girls. He goes, these girls have no survival skills,
(28:05):
Like they have no way looking out for themselves. They're
not even aware of anything. That's because they're like standing
on their phones right next to the doorway of the
train waiting for somebody to write before closes, just to
grab the phone, and then the train's gone, and you're like,
and they're not even thinking about that kind of stuff.
And I don't know how you can if you haven't
experienced any kind of fear or discomfort.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
My wife refers to that as a were bear. Oh,
she tells people to be being aware bear if you're
ever in an environment that you're not sure of, or
you know, a group of people whatever. It's childish, but
it absolutely seals the point of just just know what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's aware of what's going on.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And there's I think we all could agree to there's
a there's a it's a spectrum, right, there's a boundary
of what you don't want them to live in fear.
I don't. I don't know so far. This is what
way I've raised my kids, and it seems to be
working out, is it. I also don't teach them and
everybody's out to get them. Somebody's trying to grab them
at every turn, Like, I don't want them to become
a rodent where they're just constantly looking over their shoulder
at every moment like that does.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's no way to live either a moment rodent.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Hoffman's in there rhyming, hmmm, tips, I like wear bear
in a moment, rom wrote, I gotta work on this
in anemone.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
That's not open that freaking bag a warbody.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Thank you justin to Shannon was when she found out
what an anemone is.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
This moment is the first time I've seen you smile
like she does when she's poking you. The first time
in all the years I've known you, guys, I'm so
happy that I gotta tell you, Like, as a fan
of you, guys, this is a really lucky every day
and this was really magical for me. She's always constantly
throwing crap at you, and you just were so happy
with It's an enemy leaders.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Some days he chooses to be cruel.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He look she's doing you now, stak face just forward.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's gotta take it.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Go back to her word.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I left the dog hump your life.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
The teacher has become the dog. The teachers become the
dog usually become the student. You just said dog hump
your leg and I yeah, somehow mixed.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It's okay. You were you were hired you for you.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You had a moment on situation, no comment.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
There's a lot of dopamine. I think it was. This
is probably the first time you've ever gotten back.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I felt no dopamine.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I know you had.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Every day every day, Baron, that's how he feels.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You've You've experienced it for all of thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, thank you once again. You justin Warsham.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
We'll come back and tell you what's going on with
our What's Happening segment right after this.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
You can always hear us live on KFI AM six
forty nine am to one pm every Monday through Friday,
and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
That's where we begin swamp Watch.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheap and a liar,
and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Here we got the real problem is that our leaders
are dune.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm not going anywhere. So now how you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Train the swat I can imagine what can be and
be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
You know, Mrvans have always been going at President. They're
not stupid.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Have the people voted for you were not swamp Watch,
They're all countera well.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
President Trump says he hopes to liberate Los Angeles. Spoke
yesterday at Fort Bragg in North Carolina. Said that the
La anti Ice protests prove that the once beautiful city
has turned into a trash heap that could have been
a headline from nineteen eighty seven. He called the protests violent.
Thank the National Guard and the Marines being deployed to
(01:02):
the city called the protesters invaders and insurrectionists. Unclear if
he will activate the insurrectionist order.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
That would then allow the National Guard and the Marine
Corps to come in and actually provide some sort of
law enforcement capacity on American soil.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
I feel like everything's petered out, and I don't know
if part of the messaging is we don't want to
give Trump what he wants, or there's just not enough
momentum behind this particular wave of protests.
Speaker 6 (01:37):
I've definitely heard that. I just don't know if it
trickles down to the morons who would be out there
doing the things that are causing all of the problems.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
The neurons don't matter as much because they're fewer, Like
what fourteen looters or something arrested the other night. It's
that the massive show of numbers we see in the
Great Park right of the people who are actually protesting,
I'm wondering if their messaging has been you know what,
let's pick and choose. Now is not our time and
we don't want to add to this national political pissing match.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I think uh.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Gavin Newsom has definitely said that basically, if you're violent
or you're getting out of hand. You're playing into Trump's hands.
You are, you are exemplifying exactly what he's trying to
say is happening all the time, And I mean, how
how do you not? Again, they're not the majority of
the people that we're out there in Grand Park.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
They're going to get the headlines. They get the headlines.
Speaker 6 (02:28):
It happens all the time in all of these different stories,
the protests that go on. It's the It's not the
and to delineate, because I know a lot of people
have problems with the wording that we use. It's not
the protesters that are the ones getting in trouble. It's
the rioters. It's and yes, some of them, some of
those circles may overlap, But the people walking through downtown
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LA with a sign in their hand, That's not who
I'm worried about. They're not the ones that are that
are gonna make downtown an uninhabitable place. And they're the
the ones who are going to be throwing rocks onto
CHP vehicles. On the one on one, I.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Keep getting emails and messages from people that take issue
with the fact that I just quoted the President when
he was talking about his birthday slash army birthday celebration
this weekend, and he said any protesters will be met
with great force. I am not mincing, I am not
misquoting the president there.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
That's what he said.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
I if he meant that he would meet any violence
with great force, I understand that. But he said any
protests will be met with great force.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
And if there's any protester once to come out, they
will be met with very big force.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
So I'm just saying what the guy said.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
The birthday celebration, the army situation, that's all going to
happen on the fourteenth in DC. You're gonna have tanks
rolling through DC. The protests that we're supposed to materialize,
the King's protest, now there's word that those are not
going to materialize, at least not in DC. But again
it's early, it's Wednesday. We'll see how this progresses.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
The other significant issue out of Washington is that President
Trump said the newest trade deal with China is going
to provide the United States with necessary supplies of rare
earth minerals. It will also permit visas for Chinese students.
He suggested on truth Social that this thing is done
except for a final sign off with him and with
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Chinese President. She two days of talks in Geneva a
couple of weeks ago struck a deal that lowered tariffs
for about ninety days. That deal fell apart pretty quickly,
but ultimately there was that phone call that was held
between She and Trump last week prompted a new round
of talks in London that took place this week, and
then late last night, both sides said that they did
(04:53):
agree to this framework to actually implement what was originally
agreed to in Geneva, and then of course final approval.
Trump posted on truth Social about it earlier today. Would
you like, yes, are you finished with your snack? With
my snack? I had some trail mix, yeah, and some berries.
(05:16):
I had some raspberries trying to eat like a squirrel. Okay,
you're not doing the thing where you lick your hands
and then you wipe your face yet.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah. Is this why you told me I can't move in?
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So we were having a little conversation off the air everybody,
and if we had to take this show on the
road like Christian Slater and pump up the volume, I said,
I'd totally be fine doing this show from your house
and Gary's first. He didn't miss a beat, like, didn't
miss a beat, didn't ask, why are you even thinking
that we would have to just do the show from
my house?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Nothing? Nothing, nothing of that nature.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
The first thing he said, without missing a beat, The
words were barely out of my mouth.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I am.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
The words were this, I'm fine with doing the show
from your house. The words were this. As house was leaving,
it was still hanging in there house.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You'd even got to the s and he.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Goes, you're not moving in very serious, very matter of fact,
very clear and direct eye contact too, eye contact yep,
which doesn't happen all the time.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Well, it's true.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Elon Musk has some regrets. Probably shouldn't have said some
of them. Things maybe after that first hit a ketamine,
you close down the old Twitter app on your phone.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
I think we should get some ketamine and it's not harmful, right,
it's just like a rex drug arm.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I don't know. I mean, just a little bit and
give it to you and see what happens.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
No, not a you're not a big you're not any
ketamine guy. Yeah, you're not just not a big ketamine guy.
You're just well, this is why we miss Victor. We
need to get Victor back around here so we can
give him things and see what happens.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I'm just curious.
Speaker 7 (07:00):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Would you like your Jeopardy question briefly today? Yeah? Music
to my ears for a thousand.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
This singer who floated to number two with the song
Levitating has a first name that means love in Albanian.
You know the song Levitating. It was the album that
got us through the pandemic.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Is it a leading Yes? I didn't realize that that's
what that meant. You can't move in Elon Musk.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Elon Musk is regretting some of his social media posts
about his former bestie, President Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
The narrative is that it was the Dragon Lady, Susie
Wiles and JD.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Vance. I got into Elon Musk's ear and said, you
got to walk this back.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
I can believe that. I was going to ask you,
do you believe I can totally believe that. Okay, Musk's
relation ship with Trump deteriorated?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Right.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
We knew that the relation, the official relationship in terms
of Musk's time as a special government employee was limited
because he had only you can only work for one
hundred and thirty one hundred and thirty four, whatever the
number is, you can only work for a certain amount
of time in that title, and his time was running
out at the end of May. So when we saw
that Oval Office send off, if you want to call it,
(08:24):
that where the President actually gave Elon Musk, if you
remember the key to the White House and that cool
little box, I don't know how many of those are
floating around.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
That was it was nice.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
Now, a couple of days before that, Elon Musk had
come up with some criticism for the president's key piece
of legislation, the one big beautiful bill that is still
being caught in the Senate or still caught up in
the Senate.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
And it was not it wasn't.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
Really brought up, and it was sort of a and
it was explained away as even friends can disagree on
pieces of legislation.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
That was it, and they kind of left it at that.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
But within about forty eight hours, the bombs were being
lobbed back and forth, and in fact Elon Musk referred
to the one big bombshell where he said Donald Trump's
name appears in the Epstein Files, and that I think
was the bridge too far for people like Susie Wiles
(09:22):
and JD.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Van. It's funny because if Elon Musk was somebody in
advanced age, we would have said something like, oh my god,
like Epstein Files, I'll start to lose it. It's a
headline from six years ago. You know, get us something
fresh here, old man kind of a thing. Right, But
I'm wondering why why would Elon Musk listen to Susie
(09:43):
Wiles and JD Vance at this point?
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Well, he does have a lot of financial interest and
a lot of contracts that come from the government, right,
which is one of the things that Trump, in response
to those posts, had said, Hey, one way for us
to save billions of dollars is to cancel all of
our Elon Musk affiliated contracts.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah. I don't know if it's that simple.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
I also don't know what the relationship is between JD
Vance and Elon Musk.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
That Musk would listen to JD Vance. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
That just doesn't seems what the hell do I know?
I don't know, but that just seems like if I'm
Elon Musk, I'm not I'll take the call from jd Vance,
but I'm certainly not going to change my course of
action based on what he says.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, if I were jd.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Vance, he doesn't have the power yet in Washington to
play that puppet show.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
If I if I'm playing the jd Vance puppet, I
make my hand, make him say, hey, listen, it doesn't
cost anything for you to go on your mega platform
of X and just say something like I didn't mean
some of the things I said. I'm sorry, he's not
as us. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
That's exactly what sounds like.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
It sounds like a grade school type it was from
the The thing is, it's just that there, it is
a grade school of fight.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
It's just that it's played out on the international stage, right.
And if you get Jadie Vance to just come in
and say listen, we'll stop, just stop it.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
We won't say anything else.
Speaker 6 (11:15):
You don't say anything else, but you should apologize for
the whole Epstein files. Thing like that would to me
was the bigger one that even if even if there
was nothing new about tru you know, there was no
surprises I should say, or nothing new to report on
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his name being in the file, we knew that they
had an association, We knew that they were hung around
each other. But unless you are going to actually accuse
the president of some sort of a crime, let's let's,
you know, kick back on the whole the Epstein association thing.
And if Jade Vance has the ability to make the
call and have the call accepted, why not have him
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ask for that?
Speaker 2 (11:59):
All right, We're to take a quick break. Justin Wisham's
going to join us.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
We're going to be talking about the author of the
Anxious Generation, talking about fathers taking a role with their
kids and what that role is. When we return, we
also have eyes on City Hall, will bring you there
when the mayor comes to the podium about whatever announcement
she's going to make with regard to the city's response
to protests.
Speaker 7 (12:21):
It's all right here, you're listening to Gary and Shannon
on demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
We're going to go live down to downtown Los Angeles.
Mayor Karen Bass with an update.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
This was a provoc This was provoked by the White House.
The reason why we don't know, I pause it that
maybe we are part of a national experiment to determine
how far the federal government can go in, reaching in
(12:52):
and taking over power from a governor, power from a
local jurisdiction, and frankly leaving our city and our citizens,
our residents in fear. All of us represent cities in
this region where immigrants are key, and if in some
cases not the majority of the population. To have people
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live in fear like it is today is just unacceptable.
So we started off by hearing the administration wanted to
go after violent felons, gang members, drug dealers. But when
you raid home depots and workplaces, when you tear parents
and children apart, and when you run armored caravans through
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our streets, you're not trying to keep anyone safe. You're
trying to cause fear and panic. And when you start
deploying federalized troops on the heels of these raids, it
is a drastic and chaotic escalation and completely unnecessary. These
aren't the criminals the administration is allegedly targeting. These are
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mothers and fathers, restaurant workers, seamstress, home care workers, every
day angelinos trying to make a living. We've heard stories
of unmarked federal vans park near LAUSD school graduations, a
US citizen nine months pregnant who was hospitalized after being
detained by federal agents, and an apparel business in downtown
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La raided where many Korean and Latino workers work long
hours to support their families.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Let me just say that I am very proud.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
To stand here with the mayors the leadership of so
many cities. But you should take note that the individuals
that are here with me today are all leaders in
their area, and we all stand in support and solidarity
and call for the raids to end. Now it's my
pleasure to introduce Mayor Lemons from the City of Paramount.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
Thank you, Mayor Baths for bringing us together today and
for your leadership in this difficult time. I stand before
you today as the mayor of Paramount, a proud, tight
knit community that has been deeply shaken by recent events.
In the last few days, our residents have faced loss, uncertainty,
and fear. For many in our city, this has been
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one of the most devastating moments in recent memory. Lives
have been disrupted, families are too afraid to leave their homes,
and the very places that once served as gathering spots
for joy, like our beloved swap Meat, have been marred
by fear as a vibrant gathering place for our diverse community.
Some are avoiding going to work. Okay, it continues to
(15:39):
get worse.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
If anybody has anecdotes of people's children being ripped from them,
or home depot being an actual place where where these
raids are taking place, people being corralled in the parking
lot or what have you, please.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Let me know.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I will read all of it. I've looked for it actively.
I can't find anything other than just the narrative, don't.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
If you've got evidence of that, please send it to us.
But until I see it, I cannot continue to fall
into this. They're ripping people's childrens from them, sending moms
and dads to Guantanamo Bay type thing. If that's happening,
let us know.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
Yeah, it's the stories that are being repeated. It's hard
to trace them back to any sort of evidence that
started those stories.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Right, we learned that it wasn't a home depot raid
on Friday. It was a planned raid of a business
in the Garment district where there had been evidence that
there had been a widespread trafficking, racketeering.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Operation money laundering to the two of tens of millions
of dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Right, This was not going to the home depot and
corralling up people looking for a day's work.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
That's not what that was.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
So if you've got evidence of that kind of thing, though,
by all means, show.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
It to me.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
This is Mayor Bass and she was talking with other
regional mayors that have stood behind her.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Now at La City Hall.
Speaker 6 (17:22):
The Mayor of Paramount is now speaking, So this is
if they have any information about, for example, the curfew
or anything like that that's relevant to everybody else, will
we'll definitely bring that to you. But in the meantime,
our friend Justin Warsham has joined us back to the
Gary and Channon Show here on KFI Live Everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. We have talked many times now about
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Jonathan Hate and his book The Ancients Yours in my
newest like most contemporary parenting book like the Favorite Yeah,
and specifically The Anxious Generation is about the impact that
technology has on kids, technology screen, specifically social media, all
(18:07):
of that stuff, and how we as parents aren't doing
our kids a favor by allowing them free reign on
an open market for stupidity or however, you want to
put it.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
He draws a direct core connection in this book between
the fact that there's instant gratification and constant stimulus and
how that the correlation, the connection of when those phones
smartphones started to phase into teenage society that so went
this draw or this increase in depression, anxiety, and a
lot of people, I don't get me wrong, A lot
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of people want to blame social media, and I don't
know that it's necessarily social media specifically. I think there's
a bigger problem in that you have the phone becomes
a distraction where you don't know how to deal with
being bored, and and then you also have this parenting
movement that makes it where people don't know how to
deal with negative experiences, like we pacify children at every
time with any opportunity that we can, and I don't
(19:02):
know that that's the right thing to do for whatever
it seems to ourselves. Now. Yeah, exactly, Like it's hard
to like it's a weird thing where people go. You
know what I did. I went on a walk the
other day and I just walked. It was so nice. Yeah,
it was so nice.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
I love standing in a line. I don't love standing
in line. But I love standing in a line without
my phone or without you know, looking at it, because
then I get to look at and judge everybody else
because no one is looking up at me, no, no one.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I got five seconds. I laughed at myself. I put
my phone in my pocket because I texted people that
I was beating for coffee. I set their line for
what had to be five mississips, and then I pulled
my phone back out again, and I giggled when I
did it, and then went about sending emails.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
There is a direct correlation.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I firmly believe this, and don't think I'm so woo
woo for saying it. But a direct correlation between battling
anxiety and having moments of silence and peace. Yeah, whether
it's meditation or taking that walk without stimulation, whatever, there's
absolutely a correlation to reducing your anxiety the more moments
(20:07):
of peace.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
That you have.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
And at its core, I think that's what he's talking
about in this interview where he points out that kids
need to be pushed beyond their fear and their comfort
zone in order to build resilience, and he kind of
says that he's really calling out dads because that traditionally
has been their role. He also says it doesn't mean
moms can't do it. He just said, for whatever reason, psychologically,
(20:30):
this seems to be the thing that dads do without
even thinking about it. They're the ones that are like, yeah,
go do this thing, or they want to play monster
when the kids are young because they want to just
scare them a little, but in a fun way.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
There's something very off putting about dads who are the
careful ones. Oh to me, I'm looking right at you
when I say this, but I mean if you got yeah,
oh okay, good.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
I'm not but maybe emotionally.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yes, you can't laugh away.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
If you are if you if you're a dude and
you have kids, and you're the one who says, careful
with that, it's sharp, that stove is hot, Careful all
around the stairs, careful, careful, don't touch that, careful with that,
don't put your hand in the dog's face, don't.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Do like that. To me, is very off putting.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
It is.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
And as a there are obvious things that I would
want my kids to be careful about, yes, but me
telling them to be careful is nowhere near as great
a lesson as the dog biting their thumb, or the
stove actually being hot, or the knife actually being sharp.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah, natural consequences are awesome. They're great teachers. I say
this a lot, but one of the top, like I
don't know, themes of the of parenting that my dad
gave to me was he will constantly tell the story
about him and my grandfather where my grandfather would just
tell him to go do stuff around the farm, and
my dad, as like a seven eight year old, would go, well,
if he's asking you to do it, it must mean
(22:04):
I could do it. But as he got older, he
realized that these were just tests. These were just him
like throwing it into a problem and seeing if he
could figure it out. And my dad learned as an
adult that that's where his self esteem came from.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Go fix that head gasket leak on the tractor.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
You're not exaggerating. I mean my dad and my uncle
drove a stick shift pickup to feed the cattle on
the ranch and they got in a fight and took
out about twenty yards a fence and then had to
go fix the fence. And my grandfather was like, this
is just what it was. These are all just natural consequences.
Presenting themselves and so he talks about like and my
version of this was my wife hated this. We lived
(22:40):
on the same block as our elementary school, and my
kids wanted to walk home from school by themselves, and
I said sure, and she's like, what are you doing.
I said, they're walking to school and they're walking home
from school, and she's like, that's not safe. I go,
there are hundreds of people around dropping their kids off.
If somebody grabs one of them and they're screaming or something,
somebody's going to do something. But also, that's not the
time to grab a cand does that's busy prime time.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
It's lazy.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
They're not even crossing a street, lady like. And to me,
the best example of this was that when my I
would drop Jacob off in kindergarten. Jack was maybe two
or three, and he goes, can I go home? And
I and he loved it. He loved running around the
corner where I could not see him as soon as
we dropped him off, because he liked going into the door,
and he loved being in the house by himself. Jacob
was not this way, but he just loved all of it.
(23:24):
And so I was like, great, like knock yourself out.
And he told me. One time, this guy stopped and said, hey,
are you okay? And he said, he goes, I know
I'm not supposed to talk to trangers. So I gave
him a thumbs up, and I ran in the house.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
By a kid outside by himself, walking some way in.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
You call your wife lady to her face. Yeah, all right,
we'll continue with Justin there. Can he move?
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Absolutely? I could move in. I'm standing room in that
Harry Potter thing that they have in Olivia's room. Yeah,
the little the little shelf that's where there's a lot.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
Of liquor in there right now. Yeah, that's pretty We'll
continue with Justin here in just a moment. Again, we
are listening to the mayor Bass and some other mayors
that are calling for an end to the immigration raids.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
But there are no specific.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
News about the the riots that were going on through
downtown last night. So if there is, we'll bring it
to you, but we'll continue with Justin when we come back.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 6 (24:22):
Who do you guys have in tonight's congressional baseball game?
You have Democrats or Republicans.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
I have the guy that was shot, Steve Scalise. He
will be there. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think he plays anymore.
I do believe that he is coach. I think he's
I think.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
That's all I know about the Congressional baseball game is
Steve Scalise was shot at one.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Of them.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Fantasy camp.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I'll tell you that these guys are old, all right,
but the couple come a couple over the last couple
of years. I think a guy last year actually hit
a home run out of National Stadium.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Do you want me to show up at your adult
softball league and shoot someone?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
No, that would be bad.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Also, why would this be the time to ask of that?
There was just like a few minutes that would have
been prime time where nobody would have known.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I thought he was I don't know.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I thought he was romanticizing the Congressional baseball game, and
since there was a shooting at one, I thought I could.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Oh, you wanted him to feel like a equally important Yes,
like the people he was competing against in softball? Were
that worthy of being assassinated or attempted? Yeah? Okay, great, geez.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Thank you for understanding me. Rough housing.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
I've said it before we were talking about Jonathan Hate challenges,
that the dads should be willing to challenge their kids
get in there, maybe not see how well they can
take a punch, but you know, understand the kids are
going to scrape their knees. One of the things we
(25:52):
used to love doing, and I've mentioned before, is my
kids would jump up on our bed and we would
pillow fight.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
And the rule was, we'll do it as long as
no one cries.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
And then the first time someone cries, game over, and
I would hit them harder and harder.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Your son harder, no, but rarely. He was the first
one I think I've ever. I think I've seen my
brother cry once.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
He was like six. I mean, it wasn't like he
was fifteen or anything.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
I don't know if this is your intent, but what
I like about your example is is that you're not
saying they can't feel You're just but you're also teaching
them to push through and manage the emotion. If they
want the fun to continue, they just got to hold
it together.
Speaker 6 (26:36):
Because, in all honesty, if I'm hitting them with a pillow,
you could you can do some damage, but I'm hitting
them with pillow and they're falling down on a bed
covered with pillows.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Like this is the easiest.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You weren't taking the pillow launching it in their face
to throw them up against.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
A wall in the first ten minutes, like sibling fights.
That's like twenty minutes in when Gary's starting to feel winded.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
When I'm starting to get tired, I'm like, I need
somebody to cry.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
He starts putting. He starts putting onions in the pillowcase.
Is just to get anything, something going, something, to get
it started.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
But it's a pun.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
It's it's incumbent upon dads because just by our nature
to push that envelope, to push that free play, to
push the risk taking.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I love his example. He says, starting at eight years old,
you should find activities that your kid could do on
their own. And one of the examples, like he says,
you take up to a science center and you say,
go roam around and do whatever you want. I will
meet you in the cafeteria. And here's the I've traveled
with high school kids for a choir, and what's interesting
is is that you know, people go, what if the
(27:42):
kid gets taken and all that stuff, But I think
that there's also that's a safe environment, right, it's an
enclosed space that you can also teach your kids to
exist in that discomfort and if they feel feared, then
that's going to make them more aware of their surroundings.
Like one of the young men on the trip, he
was we were traveling on this metro station late at
night in downtown Dallas, and he actually said about one
of the girls. He goes, these girls have no survival skills,
(28:05):
Like they have no way looking out for themselves. They're
not even aware of anything. That's because they're like standing
on their phones right next to the doorway of the
train waiting for somebody to write before closes, just to
grab the phone, and then the train's gone, and you're like,
and they're not even thinking about that kind of stuff.
And I don't know how you can if you haven't
experienced any kind of fear or discomfort.
Speaker 6 (28:25):
My wife refers to that as a were bear. Oh,
she tells people to be being aware bear if you're
ever in an environment that you're not sure of, or
you know, a group of people whatever. It's childish, but
it absolutely seals the point of just just know what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
It's aware of what's going on.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
And there's I think we all could agree to there's
a there's a it's a spectrum, right, there's a boundary
of what you don't want them to live in fear.
I don't. I don't know so far. This is what
way I've raised my kids, and it seems to be
working out, is it. I also don't teach them and
everybody's out to get them. Somebody's trying to grab them
at every turn, Like, I don't want them to become
a rodent where they're just constantly looking over their shoulder
at every moment like that does.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's no way to live either a moment rodent.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Hoffman's in there rhyming, hmmm, tips, I like wear bear
in a moment, rom wrote, I gotta work on this
in anemone.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
That's not open that freaking bag a warbody.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Thank you justin to Shannon was when she found out
what an anemone is.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
This moment is the first time I've seen you smile
like she does when she's poking you. The first time
in all the years I've known you, guys, I'm so
happy that I gotta tell you, Like, as a fan
of you, guys, this is a really lucky every day
and this was really magical for me. She's always constantly
throwing crap at you, and you just were so happy
with It's an enemy leaders.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Some days he chooses to be cruel.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He look she's doing you now, stak face just forward.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's gotta take it.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Go back to her word.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I left the dog hump your life.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
The teacher has become the dog. The teachers become the
dog usually become the student. You just said dog hump
your leg and I yeah, somehow mixed.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It's okay. You were you were hired you for you.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
You had a moment on situation, no comment.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
There's a lot of dopamine. I think it was. This
is probably the first time you've ever gotten back.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
I felt no dopamine.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
I know you had.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
Every day every day, Baron, that's how he feels.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
You've You've experienced it for all of thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, thank you once again. You justin Warsham.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
We'll come back and tell you what's going on with
our What's Happening segment right after this.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 6 (30:36):
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