Episode 178: Tepid Tub

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Adam Curry (00:00):
Oh, podcasting 2.0 for May 3 2024, episode 178 is

(00:09):
Friday once again. Hello,everybody. I think we're on
summer Fridays. I don't know. Ithink we're in a good a good
season right now. Welcome tobroadcasting 2.0 We are the only
boardroom that has value timesplits. And we discussed
everything happened inpodcasting, everything going on
podcast index.org to namespacepodcasting to.org podcast index

(00:30):
dot social and I'm Adam curryhere in the heart of the Texas
Hill Country in Alabama, the manwho lets you query him for up to
10,000 answers and say hello tomy friend on the other end the
one and only Mr. Dave Jones.

Dave Jones (00:45):
No, it was not a pegleg tightening that was a
that was written and tighteningthe microphone stand just before
we started here. It's

Adam Curry (00:55):
like a dentist drill or something is like, is it
electric screwdriver? Left?

Dave Jones (01:03):
Yeah, drill this. Yeah, wireless. Do

Adam Curry (01:05):
you need a you need? You need to tighten up your
microphone stand with a cordlessdrill.

Dave Jones (01:12):
It's a little concerning. So it's one of the
let's see, what is this? Whatstand stand is this? This is a
electro voice model 309 A

Adam Curry (01:24):
Oh, ancient.

Dave Jones (01:26):
Is it just the way it was just the way

Adam Curry (01:30):
but where does it take a drill?

Dave Jones (01:34):
It's it's one of those stands that comes? It goes
under the

Unknown (01:41):
back. I didn't want to say that. I saw two in the in
the boardroom people. Calm downboard members calm down. And
once in the board room goingcrazy.

Dave Jones (01:54):
So it's one of those stands that like it doesn't go
up and then come back down.Like, you know what I mean?
Like?

Unknown (02:04):
I really don't I

Adam Curry (02:06):
really don't know why you mean it low profile?
Yeah, like you have. So I guessI'm still okay, maybe let me
understand wait for let mewhat's the model number? Let's
just let me type this. Look at apicture. What is what is this?
What is this thing?

Dave Jones (02:21):
This This may just this may not be this the stand
actually, this may be the littleholder for the mic. The shock
mount? Okay. Kind of funny,because there's nothing listed
on this.

Adam Curry (02:32):
I have. I have the I'm an old school guy where I
want my mic, boom and arm comingfrom above. And it seems like
all the cool kids these dayshave heard that come from below.
You know what I mean? So thestandard is low and it prompts
the mic up. It's holding it fromunderneath and I'm from oh, gee,

(02:53):
where it has to come from. Fromabove. I want it hanging down in
front of my face. Hang it infront of my face.

Dave Jones (03:00):
See, let's can't mount okay, maybe that's a that
makes sense. I hates an El Gato.

Adam Curry (03:07):
El Gato. Okay. All right. Yeah, here it is. El

Dave Jones (03:10):
Gato. Mic arm LP for low profile.

Adam Curry (03:13):
Low Profile current wave. Oh, gotta

Dave Jones (03:15):
wave mic arm. Yes, yes,

Adam Curry (03:17):
I see it here. Okay, let me see.

Dave Jones (03:19):
So you're a top you're a top and I'm a bottom is
what you're saying? match made

Adam Curry (03:23):
in heaven. Yes, exactly. This is I don't like I
don't like being a bottom. Ilike to top I like the top much
but it feels like that would getin the way of my hands. Well,

Dave Jones (03:35):
it's the it does kind of sometimes. So what but
the problem is I can't my mypodcast area is so small. Yeah,
that like my screen is directlyin front of me. And if I have
the if I have the arm in front,it goes right in front of the
monitor and I'm having to lookaround the monitor the entire I
mean around the corner. No, thisis green.

Adam Curry (03:55):
This is how the pros do it. I literally have my eyes
separating around the mic holderscenario. Splits my vision.
Absolutely. caps. And I've beendoing that for 45 years. So

Unknown (04:10):
yeah, this is what it is really annoying.

Adam Curry (04:14):
But like I if I had any other way I think I would be
uncomfortable.

Dave Jones (04:19):
It'd be something would be wrong. Yeah, you're
wrong. Yeah. It would feel verywrong. The only problem with
this L LP mic arm. Yeah. Is thatit starts to like so I had to
drill a hole on my desk. Youknow to mount that to me? Of
course. Yeah, of course ofcourse. So then it starts slowly
over time it starts to sag asthe as the the bolt holding it

(04:42):
in from the bottom of the deskis slowly unwinds itself for
reasons I don't understand. Sothat's not good. Like, I'll note
I'll all sudden notice I can'tmove my mouse is hitting no
hitting the arm and I have tolike go in there and I

Adam Curry (04:56):
realized I need to take another picture of my rig
people have no idea I have it.field I have one of the coolest
setups you know I have a deskyou always have a killer set I
had a desk made to order to sizeexactly for what I want it I'm
gonna have to take anotherpicture I gotta clean it up a
little bit but

Dave Jones (05:14):
Nathan I can't clamp it to the edge of the desk
because there is no edge of thisdesk this is a desk is an edge
list desk it's it's a built inthis this this actually built
this whole room during thecourse of this show. I think
some people remember that like Ibuilt it around around myself as
well you know that at one pointI was sitting on a five gallon

(05:35):
bucket during the show inthere's so many letters like
this is like a built in desk inthere it's It's surrounded on
all on three sides by wall likeit's actually built into the
wall so they can it's a weirdthing yeah all right.

Adam Curry (05:51):
I just took a picture oh yeah a few I see the
boardroom I can post that off toput this online just put it into
the boardroom

Dave Jones (05:59):
Can you do that

Adam Curry (06:00):
then the benefit homeless

Dave Jones (06:03):
should take picture this it's not a wise it's a
basically a weird it is.

Adam Curry (06:07):
Hey, I'm glad you're tuned in and listen to this
boardroom as we sit aroundtaking pictures of ourselves and
our gear in our podcasting

Dave Jones (06:16):
in general is so freakin boring right now this is
probably more well you

Adam Curry (06:19):
know why is because we're not like all the cool
kids. We're not doing video as Ilistened to two hours again, of
the new media show. Two hours,two hours about will your usual
the trend shows the trend is atrend is that all the kids are
doing video

Dave Jones (06:40):
and swipe right. I do. I stick with

Adam Curry (06:43):
it because I love them. I really do. But it's
getting harder to love them. Itis just getting harder. It's
like I mean, was there any othertalk except about that? Is Rob
Greenlee paid by someone topromote YouTube?

Dave Jones (06:59):
He's well mean he's in he's with stream yard right?
Aren't they a video streamer.Okay,

Adam Curry (07:03):
so that's it, then that's his job. Okay, well, I'm
gonna understand Come on. Justlike the same conversation every
week. I'm going to be on a 15hour plane ride. Video is the
way to go. That's all I hear. Idid learn something else. So and
it kind of made sense. Actually.I learned a lot of things

(07:26):
because I learned a lot aboutthe hosting business and and
kind of the the sausage ofpodcasting. And Todd was talking
Yeah, how the sausage is made.Did the ping go out? Do we get
the I did the live thing Do Ithought I did. Make sure I'm
getting no no no, I'm gettingI'm getting complaints. Yeah, I

(07:49):
didn't get a ping didn't get aping. I'm pretty sure I

Dave Jones (07:52):
know you're the tag isn't lit. But

Adam Curry (07:56):
I I thought I did it. Okay, well I did

Dave Jones (08:02):
five three now. I mean, it's the tag is the tag
still says pending? Now.

Adam Curry (08:06):
I understand but I thought I had posted with the
live tag a fault. Okay, then itshould go in a moment.

Dave Jones (08:16):
gotta bust the cache. I sent you a picture of
my my thing did you

Adam Curry (08:21):
see that? I don't know if I want to see a picture
of your thing. We're

Dave Jones (08:24):
talking about sausage. You figured it was
appropriate

Adam Curry (08:28):
this Oh wow. You need to put that in the chat.

Dave Jones (08:34):
Well, you can you put it in the chat because
you're way to go. Yeah, yeah.

Adam Curry (08:42):
We are. We are disaster. We are different. We
are different men. I mean, thepicture of my thing is very
different from the picture ofyour thing.

Dave Jones (08:53):
Okay, help it I need my mic arm is much longer than
your mic.

Adam Curry (08:56):
i Yeah, yeah, man. You're right on the edge. You
got no room?

Dave Jones (09:01):
The lie is horrible. It was so bad.

Adam Curry (09:04):
I do love the bedside lamp. accessory.

Dave Jones (09:09):
Oh to the lamp getting the pig.

Adam Curry (09:11):
Oh yeah, the lamp guarding the pig. I like that.
That's a very that's very nice.I like that as an accessory. And
that is

Dave Jones (09:18):
how my mouse is directly under the arm that's
when I start hitting the arm I'mlike it it's sagging time to
time to tighten up

Adam Curry (09:25):
bro. Surely you surely could get a little more
space than this.

Dave Jones (09:31):
I'm in literally in a closet.

Adam Curry (09:33):
I I've been there many times. For years and years
I was podcasting from the clueto remember that was my closet
the cluding

Dave Jones (09:41):
Claudio Yeah, this you know the GC this DC the
shelf? This above directly abovethe monitor? Yes. Does it
shelves? Yes, that's a shelf andwith bins on it. Oh, okay. That
is another shelf. And above thatis another show.

Adam Curry (09:57):
I'm gonna put these in the show notes since people
Like what is going on with theseguys talking about? So here's
what I learned. All right, firstof all, just to reiterate, doing
video on YouTube is the trend ofpodcasting. Remember that it's
the trend. What do you say? No,it's the trend. Don't fight the
trend. Don't fight all thepeople who just called up

(10:19):
YouTube. That's a podcast. Don'tfight the trend. If you fight,
you're gonna lose, you're gonnalose, you're gonna lose out. The
industry is moving in thisdirection. Sure. I mean, I was
walking the dog last night and Ithink I'd let out an audible.
Like one of those sounds just asa dog's leave me what's wrong
with you, bro? It's going on? Itwas I couldn't take it anymore.

(10:44):
Yes, I mean, this is literallyno other conversation.

Dave Jones (10:49):
That's what I'm saying. Podcasting is boring
right now. It's just the all ofit is boring. So

Adam Curry (10:55):
here's what I here's what I learned on the new media
show. That and this of course,in your you recall, we went to
the second and only anddefinitely the last time I've
ever been to a podcastconference. You and I went to
Dallas and we had a session.Where did

Dave Jones (11:14):
you use it? Second only and last time? Second was I
tried? My brain was like,

Adam Curry (11:22):
hey, video, okay, just video. My brain is on video
mode. Okay, sir. The second timeI've ever been. No, I think it's
the first and only No, it's thefirst and only time of No, no.
The first one was the award. No,the New Media Expo. I've been to
that. Okay. So this was, butthis was the Podcast Movement.

(11:44):
And what did they do? And peopleare surprised when I see you
know, yeah. Hey, you know, wedid a thing and we talked about
podcasts in Tupelo who was thekeynote? No, no, they put us in
a little room at lunchtime. Inthe back. Yes, they did it but
but now I remember why. BecauseTodd is talking about Podcast

(12:05):
Movement in Washington DC, wherethey have course of purchase a
booth because this is theirbusiness. And and they said we
also purchased a session. I'mlike, Oh, I forgot. These things
are play pay to play. If youwant to Keynote you got to pay.
You gotta pay as you got to paya gold sponsorship. I forgot

(12:27):
about that's not aboutpodcasting.

Dave Jones (12:30):
We didn't pay. We didn't put any Hey, no. Did it
behind the lunchroom? Yeah. And

Adam Curry (12:34):
this is what a just a reminder, the very first
podcast, conference tooth, Iwant to say it was 2007 Maybe.
And, and the guys who set thatup did for him. I think they did
the New Media Expo initially.And I think it was in Vegas. I
think I can't remember so longago. They said would you do the

(12:56):
keynotes like yeah, you know, Ireally don't like doing
conferences. But yeah, I'll dothe keynote. Okay. So and you'll
need to buy a gold sponsorship.What? What now? I heard the
story. Yeah. And so we literallywent to Vegas and had an
unconference next door. Becauseit made me so mad. It's like

(13:16):
you're not about podcasts andthese conferences on about
podcasting about making moneyoff of podcasters.

Dave Jones (13:24):
Well, Sam, Sam says he wants to do like an online
thing. Did you say that?

Adam Curry (13:30):
Yeah. This is what I suggest that I said, Why don't
we do it online? Do it live andlit? And, and now I saw Benjamin
Bella Bellamy jump in and say,let's do it in Paris. Okay,

Dave Jones (13:42):
in Paris. Yeah, he pays.

Adam Curry (13:47):
I think it should just be online, make it live.
Make it value for value charge?Nothing. I mean, it'll cost some
time to organize it. Buteveryone can do it from home.
Now, what more do you need?Isn't this? I mean, if you want
to go and hang out and drinkwith people and spend money then
yeah, go to let's go to the goto the movement. Go to the move.

Dave Jones (14:08):
I would. Oh, yeah, I would definitely hang out on a
live on a live thing. Or do asession or whatever. That sounds
like fun. I mean, I think Ithink having you know, like
doing a an event where there wasa there's like a few hours where
different people teach differentparts of podcasting. 2.0 That

(14:28):
sounds fun. And

Adam Curry (14:30):
yeah, into so many questions. Yeah, I mean, how do
I set up my wallet? I'm amusician. How do I do it? I
mean, all these are great thingsI was just hearing on the live
stream before we start I waslistening to unrelenting with
Darren and Jean. And, and, andso Darren, he's like, okay, now
I have I have my Umbral set up.I got my liquidity. I got my

(14:52):
SATs going back and I was like,Wow, you really went out I said,
Now I want to set up wallets forother people do that. Do that
with Ellen bits Am I Oh, man,you know, this isn't there's no
education out there. So I got topodcasting to.org, which was
what podcasts index.org wasgoing to be, had we accepted to
Daniel J. Lewis is offer. Imean, I'm sorry, I understand

(15:16):
that it's a labor of love. Butwhere do I, where do I learn
stuff?

Dave Jones (15:24):
You know, if we did, if we did, that, maybe that's
where maybe that's where I can,or we or somebody, you know,
maybe that's where the communitycan help is by doing some sort
of instructional content, likelittle short, little short
videos, or something like that,that could be embedded on the
podcast, podcasting today. Weknow that about each

Adam Curry (15:46):
little thing, the best. The best place for this is
with the podcast hostingcompanies. And I find
personally, if I look at RSSblue.com, and pod home.fm, those
guys, they're doing a prettygood job. They've got some
pretty decent explanation ofwhat to do you want if you're a
musician, I can send you to RSSmoo.com/music. I can all seem to

(16:08):
wave Lake. But if you just wantto go learn about it, it's
really not there. I don't thinkthat's our job, Adam and Dave's
job. This isn't what we're goodat. That's why it's not our job.
Anyway, I'm just in acomplaining kind of mood. So
then I heard on T

Dave Jones (16:24):
two.org. Though that's I've always thought that
was more I thought that whattriggered that whole thing was
the was to try to instructpeople like people within the
podcast world. Like people likethough the one the hosts of the
feed. That they said that theydidn't know anything about

(16:46):
podcasting to Dotto.

Adam Curry (16:47):
Well, when I come in and that says, upgrade to
podcast namespace. As just thepodcasts are my eyes are rolling
in my head already.

Dave Jones (16:59):
Can we put a pin in that, by the way? Yeah, sure.

Adam Curry (17:01):
I'm not I'm not saying that anyone's doing a bad
job on this. It's just that Ithought it was going to be
marketing oriented and doesn'treally feel like that.

Dave Jones (17:12):
Yeah, well, because I want to come back to least
it's something you saidupgrading to the podcast
namespace reminded me of acomment on pod news weekly
review about about replacing theitems.

Adam Curry (17:25):
Not do that right now. I just heard that. And they
had more complaining, oh,they'll make complaints and
more. I'll lead you intocomplaints about pod news weekly
review. So the complaint I hadis, it was a little unclear
because I guess they had someconversation about music and
Spotify and whatever. And on thelast episode, and they must have

(17:46):
cut that out or I don't know, itwas a little confusing. But then
James said, If I heard himright, he said, you know, this
has nothing to do withpodcasting. And like, Well hold
on a second music music ispodcasting. Now these days? That
now he may not think so. But Ithink so. If you have an RSS
feed, and you have an mp3 inthere, or any other type of

(18:08):
enclosure, it's a podcast. Andand very appropriately. So the
story was kind of about thecompensation of copyrighted
musical works on on Spotify,that they've figured out a cool
way to lower that becausethey're now a bundled service

(18:29):
having added audiobooks, and wetalked about that last week, I
think, yeah,

Dave Jones (18:32):
that was a genius move on their part. Yep, he
does. And

Adam Curry (18:36):
for journalists, I don't know James, like, Oh,
we're not talking about I don'tknow why that was just something
weird. It's almost sound likeSpotify and called said, Don't
you dare talk about remove yourSpotify account? I don't know
what it was, it was somethingweird.

Unknown (18:48):
Is their marketing guy? Well, that's for sure.

Adam Curry (18:52):
And, and so I come across this, this video on AIX,
I thought it was so appropriate.Because as usual, we're right on
time with this stuff. So

Unknown (19:04):
the second round, coyotes have hit universal. And
last week, it was Interscope.This week, it's capital. And I
want you to notice the divisionsthat they're cutting. I mean,
they are cutting out wholedivisions. And it's from the
executive to the street level.And it's mostly in radio
promotion, and marketing, andcreative. So what does that

(19:27):
mean? Record companies are goingtech taking all of the personal
element out of it very slowly.And if radio doesn't feed the
monster soon, radio is gonna geteaten by the monster. And that's
where the next cuts are going tohappen.

Adam Curry (19:44):
Completely agree. This is exactly where we're at.

Dave Jones (19:48):
What was this? What is that just here?

Adam Curry (19:51):
So this is a music label guy talking about the cuts
that are taking place at addlabels. And you know and so it's
it's It's the entire vertical.It's from the executive. It's
all the radio division. So, youknow, how was radio always
traditionally worked was it'sthe discovery mechanism. And

(20:11):
kids aren't listening to Radioanymore. You're not discovering
new music on radio.

Dave Jones (20:15):
You're just discovering Sirius XM numbers.
Oh, no, I did that was brutal.No, I

Unknown (20:20):
did not. Oh, they lost

Dave Jones (20:21):
like half a million subscribers in the first
quarter. But

Adam Curry (20:24):
they must have had at least a billion dollars in
podcast advertising becausesomeone has it. It's somewhere
in here. It's 2 billion now.

Dave Jones (20:35):
Somebody has the other 1.8 billion. I'm not sure
where it is. Somewhere.

Adam Curry (20:41):
I mean, Joe Rogan has a quarter billion so yeah,

Dave Jones (20:44):
cool. Yeah. So 1.8 somewhere. VMs. Hold holding
steady, according to. We'regood.

Adam Curry (20:52):
So I bring this up on the day. Of course, that is
the unofficial one yearanniversary of the value time
split. Yes, yes. And we playedon episode 131. Happy
anniversary. Happy anniversary.Especially to Alex gates. But a
large hand in this episode 131of the boardroom, the 131st

(21:16):
board meeting, and we play andbe for running with that.
Humongous humongous testicleslicing scissors. Exactly. And
we played Joe Martin's highgravity as the very first value
times but and, and so I'm reallyI feel sad for the for the radio
promotion people. You know,there's, there's, there's a

(21:39):
whole system that has worked forso long and radio but radio.
Yeah, okay. They still have $100billion dollars worth of
advertising, I'm sure. But thereis such an opportunity that
we're taking advantage of withthese music shows. And it'll
take years as things usually do.But the human element is there.

(22:01):
That's what I like so much. It'snot an automated playlist that
comes from some deal with thelabel which comes from some you
know, some independent promoterwho's paid for ads on stations
and the ads are part of thecharts and the charts are a part
of the feedback loop and andthen we'll have everything the
old school way except the thedrugs and the hookers.

(22:24):
Everything else will be thesame. It'll be great marketing,
promotion, artists relations,sharing music. When I put
together a boosted grand ball. Ihave another one coming. I go
and listen to the other shows.What are these guys plan? What
are they picking up on? You knowthis you

Dave Jones (22:42):
got another you got another ball.

Adam Curry (22:43):
I got a ball come and got a ball ready to drop?
Because as I

Dave Jones (22:46):
was noticing the other day that that has been
well, its

Adam Curry (22:49):
highest. I know it's been busy. I mean, it we got
three wars going on China ondeck. Man, he's a busy man. I'm
busy man. Yeah, exactly.

Dave Jones (22:59):
There's definitely skullduggery going on across
the, you know, across all ofthis, all of the media
entertainment ecosystem pair. SoParamount is, looks like they're
about to get. They're about toget bid on by Sony. And

Adam Curry (23:15):
apparently, Paramount has been the value was
dropped in half. It's about tobe purchased in bits and pieces
by Laurie Larry Ellison's kidover at Apollo. What is it
really worth? Who cares anymore?Someone told me? I was No, I was
reading somewhere, whatever youdo, don't sell your DVD and blu
ray players, because thisstreaming thing just might not

(23:37):
work out.

Dave Jones (23:39):
I'm not that. Not. I wouldn't be surprised if that
was right. I mean, that thatwould not come as a shocker to
me. I feel like I feel likewe've gone too far too fast.

Adam Curry (23:53):
Well, when we had a lot of money, it was easy. Yeah,
I gotta remind people aboutthis.

Dave Jones (23:59):
Everybody started saying that. That bandwidth was
no longer an impediment. Butthat's really not that really
wasn't the case. Bandwidth isonly not an input is not an
impediment only if you have lotsand lots of free money. If you
have no free money, bandwidth isa real impediment. If you're if

(24:22):
you're pushing if you're pushingpetabytes of data a day,
somebody has to pay for that.And it is not cheap. And
somebody has to pay for therights of all this content. In
some I mean, it's just notaffiliate we went this is
similar to this is similar toKin, the to the Kindle, ebook

(24:45):
reader stuff. That went veryfast. And it was like, Oh, cool.
Look, here's the thing that youcan do, where you can distribute
books over electronically overthe internet, too. A device. And
obviously because you the factthat you can do that means that

(25:07):
books are dead, and nobody'sthere and we're never going to
end we're not going to needbooks anymore. And all books,
you can just all the bookstoresare going to be gone. This is a,
this is a book killer. And thenyou had people calling them dead
trees, you know, traditionalbooks, you buy in a derisive
way. And then lo and behold, aspeople's, as most people's

(25:29):
Kindles, right, get get worndown, as the battery starts
having problems or the screengets wonky. They just toss them
in the trash, and they don't buya new one. Same thing that
happened with the Alexa and allthe smart home devices. Your you
these people have not is boughton new ones when the old they

(25:51):
slowly at the attrition hashappened. And guess what? Now
I'm look, I'm going to go aroundtown, at least here in
Birmingham. We have there's afairly decent number of
bookstores now that have comeback. I mean, there's a thriving
market now for real paper books.

Adam Curry (26:10):
Yeah, I wouldn't say that the that it's as thriving
as it was for sure. And I thinkdigital books have a very long
future ahead of them.

Dave Jones (26:26):
Sure, I can tell you I can I can. I can name at least
half a dozen people that I knowof that were all Kindle all the
time. And they just churn. Sure.They just they when there's gave
up, they just they justeventually it just evaporated
onto the shelf somewhere into adrawer. And now whenever they

(26:47):
read they read a book. Yeah, youknow, it balanced out. So when I
guess what I'm saying is like,I'm starting to see it now used
to, we would see on thestreaming side of things. What
you would do you knew thatwhatever it was you were going
to watch would be freesomewhere. And so you would just
figure out okay, is it onNetflix? Is it on prime? Is it

(27:11):
on Hulu? Why isn't an applewhat? Where? Where is it? You
knew it was gonna be freesomewhere somebody had the
right, that is now no longer thecase. Right? Many, many times
you've you're like, oh, I wantto go watch this old TV show or
this old movie. And you can'tfind it for free that with a
subscription anywhere. And soyou end up having to buy it. And

(27:31):
at that point, I'm like, Well,you know, what, if I'm having to
buy it anyway, maybe I shouldbuy it in the hardcopy and have
it and have it forever. But Imean, I guess I'm saying that I
think that, like with the freemoney things go. We get out
people get over their skis alittle too far. Yeah. And then
it has to balance out. And thatmay be what's happening now.

Adam Curry (27:51):
Yes, and I think if you're going to read a book,
then I would suggest Neilpostman's amusing ourselves to
death. Because that's exactlywhere we're at. We have amused
ourselves into oblivion is toomuch. Just this too much. It's
too much. It's too much. And,you know, the idea that we're

(28:14):
all going to be discoveredthrough discovery to algorithms.
Yeah. Why didn't you need to beon YouTube to be discovered
because podcasting has noalgorithms. You need to be
regular, consistent, make anoutstanding product in audio, I
would say and you'll be okay.Everything else is crap. It's

(28:36):
all turned to crap. There's Imean, there's it's all this just
crap. Yeah. And and yes,

Dave Jones (28:46):
people are getting people are getting smoked me
like the you know, the theunemployment rate. I saw that
chart or not the unemploymentrate, the hiring firing rate is
way down. Yeah. Is the lowestit's been adjust population
adjusted. The hiring rate is thelowest it's been since 2016. I
mean, it's

Adam Curry (29:04):
bad. Yeah. dwarfs is Cory Doctorow and shoot
suffocation. Yeah, yeah,

Dave Jones (29:09):
that's exactly right. True. And then you saw
Amazon as speaking of the Alexastuff and how we've had this,
this pullback against. I'mtrying to, mentally in the back
of my head, I'm trying to labelthis phenomenon. And I don't
know exactly what to call it.But it's this idea that, that we
went that we just went way outin front. And now things are

(29:32):
balancing back out. Because youknow, did you see that? Amazon
laid off like, get rid of almostall their Alexa team? Oh, yeah,
of course. Because I mean, theywanted that department. The
bone? Yeah, yeah. Becausenobody's buying those things. We
used to have five in our house.Now we have one. I can't still
have one. It's in. It's in mydaughter's room for her to

(29:55):
listen to me to Spotify andthat's all she ever does to it.
In It. They I mean, we just havefive of those things. And I
mean, I can I can just seethere's this. There's this this
idea that technology the day'sabsorb. I think that's a good
one. zero interest rate policy.Yeah. zero interest rate policy.

(30:15):
Yeah. Phenomenon zero interestrate phenomenon. ZURB, like
ZURB? Yes, it's the end of thehype cycle. Yeah, that's right
is the end of the hype cycle.But there's a lot of these hype
cycles are ending all at once. Ithink that's what it is. It's
like this overlap of like fouror five different hype cycles.
One of which is the I think theAI hype cycle is starting to

(30:37):
fade. Oh,

Adam Curry (30:39):
let me tell you, let me tell you, let me tell you. I
got I got a clip here for you,too, about the AI hype cycle.
Okay. For me, the joke alwaysis, if we only had more power,
more compute power, it wouldwork if we had more compute
power. Right? We need morechips, more compute power, then

(31:05):
it then it won't make mistakes,then it won't hallucinate. Yes.
So Larry Fink is the CEO ofBlackrock. And Blackrock is
arguably when Larry Fink speaks,people listen, because he's the
Blackrock has $10 trillion underinvestment management. Yet,

(31:25):
Blackrock owns at least four to5% of everything. Except
podcast, literally. Every year,you can look at any shareholder
say, No, there's BlackRock. Sowhen he speaks, and he was at
the World Economic Forum, whichnormally I would ignore, it's a
drinking club, but he was inSaudi Arabia two days ago. And
he brings up the issue of AINow, bear in mind, please, that

(31:49):
we're still trying to get Appleand other organizations to use
pod ping. And then we see a lotof very forward thinking groups
starting to jump on the pod pingbandwagon, bandwagon, dip Pocket
Casts Pocket Casts, but also onthe on the hosting side, we've
got Spreaker on Spreaker. Ithink Spreaker. Yeah. Podcast

(32:14):
being being podcast. What is it,pod? bean pod bean, exactly.

Dave Jones (32:18):
These are not audio means which is a fringe podcast,
and may

Adam Curry (32:22):
we so these are very smart, forward thinking people
because you know, it's wasteful.Polling, an RSS feed is just
wasteful. So you know, thisbeautiful pod pink thing is set
up. Now let's see where the AIguys are going with power, see
if they're wasting anything.This is Larry Fink.

Unknown (32:39):
Because the amount of capital is needed for AI. All
the new technology that we'vedeveloped, probably in an
entirety, was the domain ofstartups. And the whole
ecosystem was, was venturecapital, the startups. ecosystem
has changed dramatically. AI isa domain of large caps. And I do

(33:03):
believe to properly build outAI. We're talking about
trillions of dollars ofinvesting. So data centers today
can be as much as 200 megahertz.They're now talking about data
centers are going to be onegigawatt. That's That's what
powers a city. There. There wasone tech company that I spoke to

(33:25):
the CEO last week who said,Right now all their data centers
is about five gigawatts by 2030.They need 30 gigawatts. 30
Mighty, the amount of powerthat's needed to do use AI is
has a huge impact on society.Where's that power going to come

(33:45):
from? Are we going to take itoff the grid? What does it mean
for elevated energy prices? Foreverybody else? If it's that, I
think it's going to representsome huge societal questions
that we have not addressed thenegative side, forget about the
use of it, but just thegeneration of it is massive
power, wind, but that that is ahuge investment opportunity. So

(34:08):
that we know the world is goingto be short power is short
power. And to power these thesedata companies, you cannot have
just this intermittent powerlike wind and solar, you need
dispatchable power, because itcan turn off and on these data
centers, and so it'saccommodated, I just want to end
on a positive note, all thispresents massive economic

(34:31):
opportunity. So I mean, we'retalking about technology and all
that stuff, but think about itto build these things. You're
gonna have to go along airconditioning companies. I mean,
the basic stuff, I mean, theamount of investments that are
gonna be needed to do all this,alongside investing in the
emerging world and healthcareand all the other issues. This

(34:52):
is why I'm bullish. I seeopportunity. I don't I don't see
problems as my such as massiveopportunity. Notice

Adam Curry (35:02):
he didn't mention climate change in this massive
power. I mean, what what isgoing on here?

Dave Jones (35:08):
went off the rails at the end that I didn't know
what like he because

Adam Curry (35:12):
all of a sudden he realizes that he's talking about
investing trillions of dollarsinto stupid compute while people
are homeless. They're drugaddicts on the street. I mean,
there's all kinds of problems wegot and all you can think of
trillions power anymore power 30megabytes. 3030 megawatts of
power.

Dave Jones (35:33):
Gigawatts gigawatts, gigawatts, and

Adam Curry (35:36):
this is not going to work. This is this is a pipe
dream.

Dave Jones (35:39):
No, that's this is this. Yes. Stupid compute.
That's exactly what this is thatthe the idea that this is going
to, so Well, here's here's whatMicrosoft I don't know if you
saw this. Such an Adela is memoto Microsoft. No. Such an Adela.
is Microsoft memo on puttingsecurity first.

Adam Curry (36:06):
Microsoft, okay, yeah, in the DLL is, guys.
That's what we need to check.

Dave Jones (36:12):
Microsoft is overhauling its security
processes after a series of highprofile attacks in recent years
security is now Microsoft'squote top priority. The company
outline today, in response toongoing questions from the US
cyber safety review boardslabeling of Microsoft security
culture as inadequate. Oh, boy.So bad reporters? Yes. Such a

(36:34):
put out a memo company widememo. And he said today I want
to talk about something criticalto our company's future,
prioritizing security above allelse. And he goes, he goes on.
But he says

Adam Curry (36:47):
we'll fix it with AI, please tell me in

Dave Jones (36:49):
No, no, no. He says that. That is the that is the
number one priority at thecompany. Everything they do is
going to be about security goingforward. Going forward, we will
commit the entirety of ourorganization to our secure
future initiative. And he sayssecurity as if you're faced with

(37:14):
the trade off between securityand another priority, your
answer is clear. Do security.Okay, this was six months ago,
you could have written writtenthis same memo to say GPT. Yeah,
and he would have said the exactsame thing about AI. That tells
me that AI is now starting tofade. They're they're they're

(37:37):
moving, they're moving onbecause it's a money sink, and
figured out how to make anymoney off of it. If I hope Larry
thing and invests billions ofdollars into all that stuff to
get to big data centers,trillions, trillions of dollars,
because that is going to be acomplete disaster. That when
that thing dries up as this, Idon't know, the the the AI hype

(38:02):
cycle, to me, what is going tobe the end up being the shortest
hype cycle of all of the SiliconValley stuff. It's gonna come
and go faster than any of themby a factor of

Adam Curry (38:14):
five. And you could kind of see that because once
podcast hosting companies weretouting this as great features
to have you kind of knew thatwas the I mean, we honestly and
I say this with love, butpodcast hosting companies, we're
at the bottom of the barrel oftech. Now, so when it gets down
to yeah, we've got AI, it's likeme on this, like, we've got ham
radios, too,

Dave Jones (38:35):
is sort of like people used to always say about
Birmingham, by the time we getlike a new trendy restaurant
thing. It's already it's alreadythree years. Yeah, yeah. And we
got the Make your own yogurtshops. It was like, you know,
they were already going inCalifornia. And

Adam Curry (38:50):
I think I said this last week, I just want to
reiterate, I understand thehosting business. And it's it's
not an easy business. And Iappreciate I love seeing that
huge list that Spurlock puttogether of all you know, the
percent you know, market shareof whatever, OPI three market
share of hosting companies mustmean 300 companies before he

(39:12):
stopped counting, and that'sbeautiful to see. And I
understand that you want togrow, but you probably also want
to have retention and you alsowant to steal people from other
from other companies. I mean,that's just the nature of the
business. But when we're down toyou know, like your main feature

(39:33):
is you can get you know, a pennyfor each time someone downloads
your, your podcast, and that'ssupposed to be a feature. I
mean, talk about and shitification I mean, because people
you know, people aren't aren'tmotivated. There's no motivator,
except Hey, someone in Lithuaniadownloaded my podcast. There's

(39:54):
no motivator with stats. AndI'll just say one more time if
you if you Put some kind ofvalue for value streaming in
there. And you educate yourcustomers on how to get their
listeners to use modern podcastapps, which is becoming easier
and easier. Especially theonboarding part. It's becoming

(40:16):
very easy now with lightningintegration. Okay, it's coin
base today, we have strike,there's all kinds of easier ways
to onboard people into thelightning ecosystem.

Dave Jones (40:26):
They bow just partnered with a Moon Bay, that
will really

Adam Curry (40:29):
elevate Moon pay. Oh, that makes them look
official, then this is good.

Dave Jones (40:34):
There's there's a lot of good onboarding stuff on
everything.

Adam Curry (40:37):
single time I show somebody streaming SATs coming
in. And I can show it on my myZeus app from a wallet. Of
course, you don't see thebooster grams, or I show using
heli pad. That's what getspeople excited. Like, wow, so
wait, so that someone listeningright now, so yeah. And they're
sending me a little a littlefraction of value for the for

(40:59):
for, for what I do. That getspeople excited, invest in that.
Invest in that. And everythingelse like, Oh, it's just a penny
from some ad that no one wantsto hear. It's also negative.
Yeah, do something positive.

Dave Jones (41:16):
But and also the advertising. Look, go back. I
think we talked about it lastweek. Spotify has monthly active
users as a share of revenue, thepremium users the meaning the
users that pay their revenue. Itwas it was like 80% of their

(41:38):
revenue came from the paidusers, not the ad supported
users. That's ad supported userswas 10x. Lower. So as far as
revenue goes, so I mean, likepaying for things instead of
selling ads on things? Is it me?Look at that. The only things
the only thing keeping cabletelevision companies afloat?

(42:03):
Right now is the carriage feesis paying to it. Yes. Ray had to
survive just on advertising outit was lost, they would be out
of business. Right? The the thepeople households paying hard,
hard cash for a cablesubscription is what is keeping

(42:23):
them in business. Theadvertising is just is just
gravy. You know, it's just

Adam Curry (42:30):
and I just want to come back to podcasting and the
hosting companies. Because it'sso it's just so destructive what
I see taking place, becauseeveryone's talking about
YouTube. And it's not aboutvideo. It's about YouTube. Okay,
let's just let's just call itwhat it is. You want to do
video, most video but mostpodcast apps do video, Apple

(42:51):
podcast does video. But no onedoes video because very few
companies offer it. And it's notas easy as uploading to YouTube.
But everybody who's gone onboard and make it easy for you,
for your customers to upload toYouTube. Don't come crying. When

(43:12):
your people are gone when Googlehas sucked them up. This is what
they do. This is what they dothey suck up RSS and then
destroy it as what they do.

Dave Jones (43:25):
Now the I've got a good tip finalized formalize the
publisher tag in namespacetoday. Yeah. So that's a lot.
That's that's live. That's up.Go good. And I think I think

(43:46):
that's something that hostingcompanies can take advantage of,
I think the podcasting 2.0podcast and 2.0 is about one of
the things that we try to do isprovide new features for hosting
companies to use. We are the weare where we are the at the
index is the apps best friend,podcasting. 2.0 is the is the

(44:10):
hosting company's best friend.Because you can it's a way to
bring new features to podcastingfor your customers. So that you
can be so that you can exceedwhat is possible on closed
systems. I

Adam Curry (44:26):
think that's a great description. I really love that,
unfortunately, that we're justgonna have to wait until
everyone has gotten the YouTubething out of their system.
Because yes, and you know,YouTube buys articles in the New
York Times with YouTube boomingpodcast creators get camera
ready. Yeah, you know, it'slike, once you get over that,

(44:49):
once you get over that thenwe'll still be here. Now we saw
podcasting stagnate for a decadebecause everyone's like Boo, boo
Apple, Boo Oh, The Youth

Dave Jones (45:03):
Club and clubhouse was the hottest thing since
sliced house. About a yearanother

Unknown (45:08):
perfect example. All clubhouse. Oh, yeah, this is the
future. Bye, guys.

Dave Jones (45:13):
Yeah, and then when nobody and then when everybody
bails out and goes out the backdoor, everything goes back to
the way it was. Yeah. And thesame thing is gonna happen with
YouTube if, if as long as thehosting companies resist the
urge to play ball,

Adam Curry (45:26):
no, but they're playing ball Dave they're all
playing ball. They're allplaying ball. And one way or the
other one way or the other. EvenTodd is playing ball with you to
tots

Dave Jones (45:40):
said they could you know that he will never play at
all he's

Adam Curry (45:44):
playing ball. You can now buy an account on
blueberry for your YouTubechannel. And then

Dave Jones (45:51):
the videos out Yeah. And it's played people out.

Adam Curry (45:55):
playing ball.

Dave Jones (45:57):
He's doing Oh, he's no, he's trying to pull people
out

Adam Curry (46:00):
even though it was my idea. He's also doing the the
alternate enclosure for theYouTube embed people playing
ball. But it's more of the theoverall idea. And it's also I'm
not, I'm not ashamed to say it.But if you don't have an RSS
feed is not a podcast, andpeople can jump up and down and

(46:21):
say curry no one cares what yousay. And you're probably right.
But YouTube is not a podcast.And you'll find out. If a F Oh.

Dave Jones (46:34):
Faith O, F A F O what is what is F? A F O

Adam Curry (46:39):
F around and find out? Oh, f a f? Oh, yes. Yeah.
You'll find out? You'll findout? It's

Dave Jones (46:50):
not? So

Unknown (46:55):
first viral up?

Adam Curry (46:58):
Spiraling? Yeah, I guess I am. It's like, what are
we doing? Stop, you know,everyone's just running around
trying to get some some moneysomewhere. Focus people focus.

Dave Jones (47:11):
I think this comes from the I think this comes from
the having lived through thepeople who are who were in town,
I think the people who are inblogs, I don't think this
necessarily affected the podcastworld very much at the time. But

(47:31):
the people who were in like uswho were part of when Google
Reader died, who were buildingRSS based software. Before, you
know they were mostly in theblogosphere not in podcasting
was kind of its own form of RSSat the time. And still is but

(47:55):
people like us that livesthrough the Google Reader death,
I think, have a differentperspective on and I don't mean,
just you had a Google Readeraccount. And you were there. I
mean, people who saw the slowattrition of any other competing
product until Google Readerbecame the dominant thing. And

(48:19):
then they wrote pulled it likethat, that took a number of
years to come to fruition.Google got everybody into their
ecosystem. They pulled everybodyin. And then they just rug
pulled everybody about killingand in thought it would be the
deathblow to RSS. It turns outit wasn't. But it was close.

(48:43):
Let's not be let's well be

Adam Curry (48:44):
and mine ourselves. The rug poll came with a
replacement, which was I thinkGoogle Plus, was that what it
was? Or was it Google Wave orany number of products, circles

Dave Jones (48:55):
and all that friend circles?

Adam Curry (48:59):
So it's, I just

Dave Jones (49:02):
think we have a different perspective than maybe
some people in the podcastingworld, because that never really
hurt them that bad. Becausepodcasting is its own had its
own route. They weren't theyweren't really affected by
Google Reader. But if you livedthrough that, you saw how

(49:22):
tumultuous it was and how italmost killed the whole, the
whole use of the protocol. Andit makes you not trust Google in
any way. Well, when they startto get it when they start to get
a dominant position over andopen over something that used to
be open. You have to get verynervous.

Adam Curry (49:42):
So along with that comes, I'm glad you brought up
blogging, because we're seeingthe same thing now with blogging
companies, as we did withblogging companies. You know,
you can get ads, you can getbanners, you'll make money. You
can do subscriptions. You knowthat all went away. Feedburner?

(50:02):
Well, there's that there's that.

Dave Jones (50:05):
But we chose a way of putting ads into dynamic ad
insertion, right? Yeah. But my

Adam Curry (50:09):
point is, it's not like a magical thing, you start
a podcast, you you do something,and then you get advertising. If
you know, there's a lot of crap.Not everyone deserves to make
money. Not everyone should bemaking money. Some stuff should
just be crap. It's okay. Yeah,crap is good, too. But this

(50:34):
whole, like all these promises,now it's going to be this and
that and grow your show. Just doyour podcast, have fun.

Dave Jones (50:45):
So I guess what I'm trying to say is the public the
publisher feeds thing, I think,is an example of one thing that
that hosting companies canadopt. Now, if you have a note,
I know quite a few hostingcompanies have have customers

(51:05):
that publish a bunch ofdifferent feeds, you know, they
have a business customer thatmay have four or five, six or
more feeds is publishing a podecreating a offering them a
publisher feed, that wraps alltheir their normal feeds into
into one. And makes that easy.That would be a great thing to

(51:28):
offer. Be a great, it'd be greatthing to offer, because that
that does help usdiscoverability because we you
know, once just like with blogroll in, I mean, pod roll and
these other tags, the more ofthe discoverability stuff we can
we can help enable. Then theplatform's the the listening

(51:51):
platforms can begin to crawlthat data and actually put
together things that lookbetter,

Adam Curry (51:59):
yeah, better display, etc. And I'm excited
about Yeah, yeah, I'm veryexcited about that.

Dave Jones (52:05):
Because that's one thing, that that's one thing
that the more closed systemshave, that we don't is the
ability to sort of do betteraggregation. On, you know, on
the receiving side. Because we,you know, think about something
like, you know, Apple, Applepodcasts, their directory, they

(52:28):
have a lot of visibility that wedon't have, they know who's
somebody gets on to Applepodcasts Connect. This is what
we talked about one time beforea while back about Google, some
of the power of how Googlebecame such a such a good search
engine, had nothing to do withtheir crawling ability, and had

(52:49):
a lot to do with how theyconvinced millions of sets of
web of webmasters to go andenter in all the data about
their website to the GoogleWebmaster Tools. So once they
had all that data plugged in bya real person, on the back end,
that gave Google first partyaccess to what the structure of

(53:11):
their site was supposed to be,that had a huge impact on the
quality of the search. So in thesame way, Apple and Spotify get
benefits like that, when theyhave access to the first party
data of people going into Applepodcasts connect or Spotify,
dashboard, dashboard, megaphonedashboard, these things that

(53:34):
allow them to see connectivitybetween different bits of data
that we don't see. Because allwe're doing is collecting the
RSS feed, whenever you havesomething, if you have a
publisher feed, where you cancollect, where you can see, oh,
these four shows are all belongto the same parent entity, then

(53:56):
you can do really cool stuffwith that. And not just for not
just for the immediate use casethat we have is for musicians to
pull their different feeds theirdifferent albums into one fee
into one sort of hosts. Oneartist feed. That's obviously
the first one, but then youhave, but it goes beyond that. I

(54:18):
mean, if if one of your thinkabout who was here, the guy, our
buddies over there, Focus on theFamily. Yes. Rob, you know, they
Yeah, Rob. And, you know, theyhave a lot of they have a lot of
shows. And so they could easilyput publish a a publisher feed.

(54:40):
And now anybody who's crawlingthat data can have a really cool
user experience. To say, Oh, youjust listen, you just subscribe
to this show. Here's four othershows by Focus on the Family
that you may be interested in.

Adam Curry (54:56):
I hope the apps will implement it. I don't think
anyone's except for Sam Sethi,whatever I say on the show, Sam,
we know you do. You're doing it.Burn. blog roll, pod roll. No.

Dave Jones (55:11):
Yeah, no, no, I don't I don't know if the I'm
not sure what's beingimplemented because we don't a
lot of the open a lot of theopen. Sea open. I'm not sure
that's the right term. Like,people like Pocket Casts have,
they have a PR mechanism inplace. I mean, they put out

(55:34):
press releases that kind ofthing. People like, like Mitch
and Franco and Jason everpodcasts, they don't really
have, they don't do a lot ofthat kind of thing. I mean, they
will do it. They'll do it fromtime to time, but a lot of times
we don't know what they've doneand what they haven't. So I'm
not sure what's been done onsome of those things. I mean,

(55:55):
the publisher fee just gotformulas today. So yeah, you
know, and I know I know, Oscaris way not been waiting on that
because he wants to. He wants toget those artists. Yeah, for

Adam Curry (56:05):
the music. Yeah. Oh, later. Yeah, sure. For sure.
Good.

Dave Jones (56:09):
Yes. I mean, we're, we're getting I mean, I think
we're, you know, now now No, andthat failure on the, on the
hosting side. I mean, it's,it's,

Adam Curry (56:18):
I mean, I see energy going into things and stuff like
AI and all that. I'm like, let'sput it into you know, doing
things that work that have thathave a future and it's not some
you know, add on strap strap onstuff. It's just strap on.

Dave Jones (56:35):
I think we could I think we can I think the best
thing we can do is justcomplain. complain.

Unknown (56:42):
complain? Oh, hell Kraus. Yes. Yeah.

Dave Jones (56:47):
Right. Yeah.

Adam Curry (56:54):
I don't want to be too negative.

Dave Jones (56:56):
Okay. Moving beyond our, you know, THEC, Brawl
raging at everything going onand podcast and

Adam Curry (57:05):
other shows who actually, by the way, I love
these shows. I cannot not listento these shows. Yeah, but I'm,
like, I'm tired of boosting backmy feedback. It's like, I gotta
show we complain about it here.

Dave Jones (57:20):
So do you want to talk about the iTunes namespace
real quick?

Adam Curry (57:22):
I only if you'd let me play the jingle.

Unknown (57:26):
And now it's time for some hot namespace talk.

Adam Curry (57:32):
Yeah, there's two things we got to talk about.

Dave Jones (57:34):
Okay. Well, I mean, I've got I may have one other.

Adam Curry (57:38):
Well, then go ahead. No,

Dave Jones (57:41):
I want to hear your list. Your two port list?

Adam Curry (57:43):
Well, the one is, okay. First, I guess a
misconception that popped up. Idon't think either of us have
ever said that the podcastnamespace should be replacing
the iTunes namespace I don'tthink that was ever said. So
where were they came from?That's that's a misconception. I
think we've ever said that. Theconcept of a drop in

(58:04):
replacement. For I thinkspecifically the block tag we
may have discussed. Which iswhich immediately becomes my the
second and final item on mylist. As Mitch sent us a note a
lot of people are trying toaccess a feed a podcast through

(58:25):
pod verse, which has a blockedand iTunes it actually has
iTunes and then a Google blocktag I looked at the feed was
just I don't think I've everseen that from megaphone. And so
we're not importing that. Andhis question is Kent since since
Apple ignores it, is it time forus to just ignore it? And I know

(58:48):
it's come up in the past? Ithink it's been it's, it's up to
you really, it's not for me todecide this somehow.

Dave Jones (58:57):
Let's take the second one first. The block the
block tag. I can't ignore itcompletely. Because there are
some of our hosting friends thatreally depend on us honoring
that. The iTunes and water.Yeah. Yeah. And so I can talk to

(59:24):
them over time and switch across

Adam Curry (59:27):
question. They want us to honor it because they're
allowing people to create aniTunes block tag.

Dave Jones (59:37):
Yes, so they use an a one in particular uses it for
private feeds. So they have aprivate feed. It's for like a
member ship type thing. They'llput an iTunes blog tag in the
feed. Now this this is we'vewe've talked about the problems
with it in blog tag in you know,ad nauseam in the past it's it

(01:00:00):
The it's just it's just, it'sthe worst. It's just the worst.

Adam Curry (01:00:04):
Well, it seems like using the iTunes block tag to
signal that you have a privatefeed is not a great way to do
it.

Dave Jones (01:00:12):
No, it's not because but it's the only thing that had
been until we created thepodcast blog tag, there's

right well, maybe, maybe maybe seven, said hosting
company can change something sowe can move forward sounds seems
like someone's holding us backin this.

Yeah, I think going forward, we need to encourage
people to use a better tag,which the podcast block tag is
better in every way. Because youcan just get granular and you
can be specific and all thatkind of thing. Because the one
of the biggest problems withiTunes block tag is that is that

(01:00:51):
people don't know, everybodyhandles it differently. And then
everybody that puts it in therethinks it's going to be handled
in a certain way. And that's notthe case. So there's a huge
disconnect. But what but betweenwhat people think they're doing
when they put the blockchainsblock tag in, and what actually
happens when the atom block thatis by tag gets in. So but for

(01:01:15):
now. So there's this specificfeed Gary brick brecha.

That's a health a health guy. So it's a pretty big
podcast.

And so he's got iTunes blog tag in there. So we
honor that, and we block it. Andit's, and yet it shows up in
like tons of other apps, even onApple even in their app. And
that just doesn't seem right. Sowhat I'm going to do, as an
interim fix for this is I'mgoing to I'm going to flag the
database differently so that wecan mark manually. In cases like

(01:01:50):
this, we can mark that this.This particular podcast combined
needs to ignore it. Yes. Okay.Because I hate that because it's
more manual work for everybodythat I know, you know, but

in this case, we're hurting. Well, specifically,
we're hurting pod verse. Yeah,because he says, MC says it's a
lot of their users are saying,Hey, how come I can't get this?
And that's a reason someonewould not use that app. Yeah, I
guess and

so and so that I can give Mitch admin access on the
podcast in this dashboard.

Very bad idea.

I retract it, I take it back. You're not getting that
Miss. So that's an easy fix, Ithink should be able to get that
done this week. Replacing theiTunes namespace. I don't
exactly know this details ofwhat we said in the past. But I
can tell you what my thoughtwhat my mind what my mental

(01:02:54):
ideas have been for that. Or mymental framework for that has
been since the beginning.Replacing the items namespace is
is not a goal.

Oh, which drinkin show beer? No. Yeah, Waterloo,
peach.

Oh, that's pretty good. Actually. Replacing that
to his namespace is not a goal.Maybe you could call it like a
design ambition. Or just go goalmakes it sounds like it makes it
sound like it's one of the corepurposes of of the namespaces

(01:03:34):
existence or the work and that'sthat's not really the case. It's
not the goal to replace theiTunes namespace. It's an
ambition that that we'redesigning for. We like we need

(01:03:56):
to make it an easy transition ifthat ever becomes a thing that
trend that happens. Yeah, hereNathan a happy coincidence. Yes.
Well,

that's interesting. Before you continue, okay, so
what you're saying is we wouldwant we want to have
replacements in case for somereason the iTunes namespace
wasn't supported or I'm not surewhat you think what happened.

But podcasting 2.0 is more than just the namespace.
The podcasts podcasting. 2.0 isis a community of people trying
to make sure that podcastingtechnology is in the hands is is

(01:04:50):
open and in the hands of peopleand not companies. I

love that and YouTube

So in that vein, we ultimately don't want namespaces
that are critical to the waypodcasting works. To be
controlled by private companies.We we don't, that's not what we
want, we want it to be when youwant something that's critical

(01:05:25):
to it. If there's something atthis critical to podcasting,
infrastructure or technology, weas podcasting 2.0. Want one
Shane changes to that thing tobe done by communities of
people, not private companies,meeting in private boardrooms.

(01:05:48):
So, I like in that regard, theiTunes namespace is a thing that
we want, that is the antithesisof that. Apple controls the
iTunes namespace, we're not inthat we don't we're not at the
table. The best we can do, we'renot allowed to participate. The
best we can do is beg them andask them to do stuff. What, what

(01:06:13):
if we want better versions ofthe iTunes tags, case in point
perfect example block and PR

block Yes, block blogs keyword block.

NPR wanted to add an attribute to the season seasons,
yeah. To allow you to put a nameto name a season, we could have
begged Apple to do it for 10years. And just hoped that one
day they listened and did it.Yeah. Or we could just duplicate
that tag, make sure it'sbackwards compatible with the

(01:06:45):
iTunes version, and then modifyit ourselves while maintaining
the backwards compatibility,which is what we did. And if we
do that enough, if we if we takethat approach. And the approach
is this, if somebody wants abetter version of an iTunes tag,

(01:07:06):
then we duplicate the tag, addthe add the new feature to it
that they want, whilemaintaining backwards
compatibility. And maybe 10years from now, or some time in
the future. Again, not a goal.This is not a it's not a goal to

(01:07:27):
do this, necessarily. But atsome point in the future, there
may come a time when the podcastnamespace, essentially has all
of the same tags as the iTunesnamespace with extra features,
so that they're better. And thenat that point, the podcast

(01:07:47):
namespace is, is already sowidely disseminated amongst
hundreds of 1000s of feeds andapps and apps and not YouTube,
that at that point, it reallydoes become feasible, that you
can make that you can justswitch, it becomes a drop in

(01:08:08):
replacement.

Okay. Well, I'm glad we had this conversation,
because although I have not seenit, it is my understanding that
from the partners weekly reviewthat James Cridland was out
there fighting with people inthe GitHub saying no, this tag
already exists. It's iTunes tag,and you don't need to recreate
this. So that's that. So there'sa disconnect there.

I, I would agree with him in this sense. If
there's nothing we can offer, asan improvement on that tag, I
see no reason to duplicate it.Copy that. Yeah. But if we can
off if if there's a clear thing,that will be an improvement to
that tag, I don't mindduplicating it, because the only

(01:08:53):
here's the only you got twooptions. Okay, it's like okay,
we have this tag, block tag.This thing is not sufficient. It
is not doing a job, the job thatis designed for it's a it is a
inadequate piece of piece ofnamespace technology. We can do
better. So we have two options.Three options. First option, we

(01:09:19):
can beg Apple for a decade, inwhich the the likelihood of them
doing anything is zero, maybe1%. Option number two, we can
duplicate the tag into thepodcast namespace, add the
feature make it better. And thenit becomes as we all hope a

(01:09:42):
standard right so people stopusing the iTunes version and
switch to our version right so

the perfect example of that as category. Right. as
we as we move to more freeformcategories and

Don't think no, no, I don't think we're going to I
don't think we're going toconflict with the category tag.
I think I think what we're doingis going to be something else
it's going to be I don't thinkit's going to be a direct
conflict because we're, we'remore this is what we're doing is
going to end up being more likethe key words. Yeah. Yeah. I
think yeah, I

think they'll live together. Okay. Or in harmony in
perfect harmony.

Evany. So, I think, but then the third option is the
option that we don't want to do.And I don't is a hostile
takeover that seems namespace.

Yeah, no, we don't want that. That's no fun. No, we

don't, we don't want to start saying, you know,
adding things to, to the iTunesnamespace. So you know, without
their permission, but I'll tell

you, I have a sneaky suspicion that one day in the
future, it may be within this 10day, 10 year timeframe. I could
easily see the European Unionforcing Apple to divest of
podcasts and and have thatsomething that is not pre
installed anymore. Yeah. And,and you know, and there'll be

(01:11:12):
options for people to choose.And that may negate their power
over many things.

I'll go one step further. I would not be
surprised if at some point inthis 10 year period, some people
may think I'm crazy, but I don'tthink I am. If Ted Hoffman calls
up and says, Hey, we want tomerge the iTunes namespace with
the podcast namespace. Wouldn'tsurprise me one bit. Merge merge

(01:11:45):
the two things together. What

would the benefit be? Why? Why would they want to
do that? And I mean, by that I10 horsemen really needs to
think about retiring and he'sgoing to be 100 by the time that
happens,

he's already let's have you seen his beard?

Interest. Interesting. Interesting. vaad.

Yes. I mean, I can see it in book because there's I
can't remember that podcastingdoesn't make apple any money.
You know, it's a it's really thelast labor of love within the
company. Is the last like,throwback to an old apple. that

(01:12:32):
existed, you know, for, forideals bigger than just money
for

the people. For the people. For the crazy. What for
the crazy ones?

The Crazy Ones? Yeah, it's this. This is an old,
this is an old, this is avestigial organ that's attached.
Just

to kind of divest a little bit from it and feel like
it's been put in a good place.Hey, those two Yahoo's that
sounds like a good idea. Letthem maintain it all.

Yeah, and that means that means we we have to have
staying power is gonna, youknow, we got to stick around
long enough for for people tosee that. That podcasting. 2.0
is the right place to housesomething like this is a trusted
in is a trusted community wherethis is going to be taken, taken
forward? Because I don't knowthat they're necessarily in I

(01:13:25):
mean, they don't get anythingout of the items namespace been,
they just, they just don't. So Icould see them in the future. I
mean, they've already been,they've already they already
linked to the podcast namespacefrom there and from the iTunes
namespace documentation. True.To me that that looks like the
first step towards 10 years fromnow, Pappy van husband calls up

(01:13:48):
and says, you know, hey, let'shave a chat. So I'm just saying
that it is hoped, maybe that Ifeels like it is not still not
clear. But I think it it has tonot. It's not the goal,
necessarily. But it has to be onthe radar. Because it's who it's

(01:14:11):
what our it's our what

our overall mission is. Yeah, our

mission is not letting podcasting be owned by
huge corporations. So it has tobe part of it

right now. A little gear switch. Yes, sir. Eric
peopIe. I saw some pull requestsgoing back and forth. It looks
like there's a new version ofhelipad coming which will allow
me to set up pew pew custom pewpew sounds Yeah. Did you Did you
see that? I did.

Um, he is he's on fire with the Health Analytics
site.

So so so that will mean that we can have a secret
boost number. And if you boostwith the right number, bells and
whistles go off and then you geta prize? No, that's gonna be
nice stuff like that. I'mexcited about that. I'm very
excited.

Do we need to,

which is kind of the start of something you said like
ratifying all this great stuff.And there's still stuff that
happens in IRC that, you know,we really have no idea how to
access and it just shows up andpeople turn stuff on booths,
bots, and all that stuff. Imean, I feel somehow like Halle
pad is a great place to put alot of that functionality, they

(01:15:25):
can go back out. So I'd love tobe able to have heli pads say,
Okay, you connect your IRC here.And what I mean

yeah, that'll be that'll be cool. Because that
you can basically run your ownbooth spot.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

I think he said you could sideload he said he's got
a not fully tested version thatyou can sideload Yeah,

but whenever I sideload then then you know,
then my start nine doesn't knowthat. You know, there's a new
version and then I have to goback and have to reload every
single boost. From the moment mynode went up. That's kind of a
downer. Like loading theblockchain. Oh, by the way,
dude, I got want to mention thatI got one of those was called

(01:16:14):
the Founders Edition of thewhat's that thing called? It's a
bid to a future bid. Future bid.Have you heard these guys? No
future future bid.io. So it's ait's a full node. There's a
future but yeah, future BIT dotout. That's pretty cool. To form

(01:16:37):
node, which you can also use asa desktop, interestingly enough,
and because it has a boon to onit.

Did you get the

Apollo two? Yes. Founders Edition. Cool. Yeah.
And it does like seven sevenTera hashes Giga second flop.
Whatever. GSPs Yes. At 190watts.

That's been published to is the culmination
of news pretty

good. And

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just running it solo I'm gonnaget me a block

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he has so amount of block Oh, yeah,

I'm that guy. I'm going to be that guy who's gonna
mind his own block? For sure.Yeah, it's made in America is
here up to 10 Tera hash hashpower

Oh, you got the fat Oh, you founders of this. So
what's the founders the FoundersEdition shipped first? Yeah,
limited run. Oh, it's oranges inBitcoin? Yeah,

it was like burn dark orange. Yeah, no, it's
beautiful. It's a minor that youdon't put in the garage. It's
really interesting.

What is the difference between a standard
and a full node? Minor plus fulland minor only version of a
price simply plug in your?

Yeah, if you want to solo I think you got to have a
full node.

Oh, yeah. Okay, I'm on two bucks that's that's a lot
cheaper than an ant miner

Oh yeah. I'm on a I'm on a so um I'm on a pool
right now because it comes ofcourse without the blockchain so
you gotta download theblockchain that always takes a
few days. And but once that'sdone full on SoLoMo baby

so LaMonte your own pre installed stratum solo pool

that's right you want to join my pool?

Wait so that's about to ask you so if I got one you
want to connect to your pool?Yeah,

we can we yes we can mind together honey. Oh, think
of it right. Think of theopportunity think of the
community we could build

think of the think of this the home heating
capacity. Yeah, right. Deliver aNo kidding. That's got an HDMI
port on the side. I'm

telling you it's a full on Ubuntu install and
instead of a desktop? Well, itkind of looks Yes. And it kind
of weird that I do that wrong.Someone else I thought was
future bit Future.

Future bit.io/home is where I'm at. Yeah,

I post that in the I posted that into the

connected monitor to it or configure over Ethernet
automatically start sinking afull Bitcoin node. It

looks a bit like Apple had one of these cubes at
one point remember the cubeApple had a cube? Yeah, a little
bit like that.

Big is it but I can't see the dimensions.

It's bigger than the Apple cube but it looks nice.
Let me look oh, that's kind of ahandsome unit.

So that's such a handsome unit. Is there twit is
is more like, is it like 12inches by 12 inches or is it
more small? wasn't six by six

I'd say seven by seven

oh that's not very big at all

Hey, want to play some music?

I would love to

Okay. So I'm kind of on this Friday thing where like
it's Friday how you feel you'reready for a bang Are you ready
for banger? Lahoma homelesssecond let me I found this thing
I want to play this something Ifound this from an old daily
source code daily source codething Hold on a second let me

(01:20:36):
see I've been looking for thisin I think the guy who did this
died he may still be alive but Ilove it so much something

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remarkable is happening here. Radio is screen free of
the regulated gatekeepers whomanage what you can hear since
radio was invented it's jumpinginto the hands of anyone at all
with something or nothing to say
I guess tread water for fivetimes we'll run

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a video right is the standardand you're gonna be all right
enjoy the ride one you're the

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deal I have no issue
that's why you'll never get isgonna be running again it's the

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standard or the you're gonna beall right. Enjoy the ride one
year

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how about that? Yeah, it wasn't I knew you'd
like it. Yeah the protagonistdeath by lions.

quality music on don't value for values is

dynamite. Yeah, I found great. I found that on.
sidestream music podcast Codyplayed it like God is so good.
Yeah.

There's great music out there that you can just turn
you can turn on any of the musicshows? Yeah, unless later really
It feels like the radio. Yeah,

exactly. Lm beats you know if you can listen to
any of the shows and listen toany all the music.

bug fixes, by the way. I'm glad you mentioned LM
beats. Okay.

Oh, yes. Your your API search. Fix bug thing.

Yes. Search fix bugs. The minister. Yeah,
thanks. Yeah, I love fixingbugs, especially when it's like,
like a suspended chord thatresolves you know, your to in
endpoints that were affected bythis bug. The, they both used

(01:24:58):
the same under relying thefunction like lower level
function, so it all came down toa sequel issue. So the bug was
this. And if you asked for ifyou add it, so it's the episodes
by feed ID endpoint. That wasthat was one of them. And the by

(01:25:22):
medium tag was the other thatwere affected by this. If you if
you so if you would ask for aspecific number of episodes, you
would get back a differentamount. That's

that's what we call a bug Dave, that is recognized
as a bug. Yes.

If you asked for 20 episodes, you may get back 16.
He asked for 100, you may getback 80. So this is a clear bug.
Where it became weird, though,was the way the bug was
expressed in the by medium tag.So the by medium tag you if once

(01:26:06):
you got up to like, let's say,if you're LSA, you're asking for
all the all the feeds, that werebuy that were had music medium.
And you say, Okay, I want 2700,you know, like I want I want
3000 feeds, we that wouldn'twork, it would just, it would

(01:26:29):
just time out. So, Stephen D isthe one that found the magic
number. As you're creeping up,you cannot go above 22,750 as
the max count

on a random number. Yeah,

so Well, it turns out, that's the number that
would, it was a it was a Stack

Overflow memory leak.

It was a slowly escalating, long running query,
that once you got beyond about2007, sometimes you could go you
could go higher. But once yougot beyond that the query was
taking so long on the databaseside that it would fail, it
would timeout, the API wouldabandoned would abandon the

(01:27:17):
query. So this ended up being aproblem is I don't use an ORM,
which is like a build your SQLfor you do all the SQL
statements by hand because

you're because you're a man.

In assembly, that's right. Is C so what I had, what
I didn't realize was it mice, soMySQL does what's called early
row lookups. So you can think ofa database like this, okay.
database table. So think of likean index is like a is like a

(01:27:58):
second table. So you have, soyou have a table of data. And
the index is almost like aseparate table, where the
records are pointers, from theindexed columns into to the
primary key in the index table,if that makes sense. So you have

(01:28:20):
this, this, the index is thisseparate sort of like hidden
table over here, where it allit's doing is keeping track of
relationships between the indexvalue and the primary key of the
of the index table traditional.So you can you can look, looking

(01:28:42):
up the data. So looking at it.So if you have a you have your
index over here, and that's whatyou want to always live in your
index, because that's mostly inmemory. If, if your database is
machine as well, you know, it'sgot enough RAM that can have
things in memory. And you'regoing to it's fast. So going to
get the road data itself isslow, because that's sometimes

(01:29:04):
it's on disk. And that's youdon't want to have to do that
until the basically the verylast minute. So because what
happened because what can happenis you know, if you will be
terrible is if you go and getall the data, if you go and get
all the data from the actualtable off disk, then you
determine that some of thefilter filtering in either in

(01:29:27):
the where clause, or in thegroup by or something has, has
filtered out some of those rowsbecause now you've fetched a
bunch of rows that you didn'teven need sounds

very inefficient, highly inefficient.

So what you want is a database that does something
called a late row lookups Thisis

sexy sequel talk with David sexiest sequel,

and this MySQL does not this does not do this. So
you have to sort of work aroundDo you have to finagle MySQL to
get it to avoid this issue?Because what if you an imp, a
well, a, excuse me a poorlythought out use of something

(01:30:14):
like, group by or order by cantrigger this problem where you
end up fetching 100,000 rows.And then you actually only
deliver 5000 of them. That wasthe issue here. What was
confusing me is, it's beentriggered by the way

he was confused about the problem as I am about
the explanation.

I had to reverse engineer the explanation after I
figured out what the problemwas. Okay. What was confusing me
is that it was triggered by theORDER BY clause. So if I if I
went in to what was happening isthose I was ordering the sequel
result by by timestamp on theepisodes because you like I

(01:31:10):
don't know wasn't ordering it bythe primary index. Primary Key
is ordering it by the timestamp,because that's a more accurate
record of ref reflection of thechronological order of the of
the feed. So the order by thetimestamp is an indexed column.

(01:31:31):
So I'm like, why is this slow?This doesn't make any sense. And
it ended up it was, what I hadto do to fix it was basically,
there, it's this statement haslike four different joins, it
joins four different othertables into it when it's
running. So what I had to do isbasically make a sub query, that

(01:31:54):
would only get just it onlyworked with the primary key,
that's all it did, there was noother things being being asked
for or filtered on than that subID. So that's a career was gonna
be very fast, then it hands itback to the outer query, which
does all the joins in orders andorders it because at that point

(01:32:18):
is ordering by a much smallerset of data. So then, once that
was, once that was figured out,then it fixed all of these
problems all at once. So noweverything works, the way you
would expect you get you whenyou ask for 100 episodes, you

(01:32:38):
actually get 100 episodes. Andthat that was because there was
another issue, I was trying towork around this issue. Many,
many like, like, almost at thebeginning of the API, I was
trying to work around this issuewithout understand and I was in
a rush, and I didn't understandwhat the problem was. And so I
had put like a false floor onthis. So what was happening at

(01:33:03):
the when you would ask for likethree episodes by feed ID, you
would ask for 100 episodes, itwas true, it was putting like a
false time constraint on it. Totry to limit the the try to
limit the set of rows that itwas looking for. Wishes a dirty,

(01:33:25):
ugly, awful weight. And it'sjust, it's just completely
broken. But I'd forgotten I'dhad done this. And so it was
like, let's try to limit it tolike if you asked for. If you
asked for 25 episodes, let's tryto limit it to like six months.
If you try abs for 100, let'slimit it to like a year. You

(01:33:47):
know, you see what I'm saying.It's like trying to put like
this false time constraint on itis just so horrible. And now, it
doesn't matter. Like all that'sfixed, if you can ask for 100
episodes that mattered. If thoseif some of the episodes were 10
years ago to continue, you'regonna get everything. So we're
good to go on that. The onlything that that I need to add is

(01:34:09):
somebody asked for in theGitHub, somebody asked for a
essentially like a mode of weirdwhere this where this API will
work differently. So what theywere saying some people may not
know that when you ask when youcall the episodes by feed ID

(01:34:31):
endpoint you can give itmultiple feed IDs. So you can
say I want episode I want 100episodes from these seven
different feeds and it will giveyou back everything it can find
from those seven feeds up to aresult count of 100. This
personal nugget have said I wantthat but I want to be I want to

(01:34:55):
get that many results from eachfeed. If I ask for seven fee
didn't ask for 20 episodes, Iwant to get 20 episodes from
each feed. So it'd be a total of140 Do you have

how many? If you ask for what what did you expect
again?

If you ask for seven fees 20 episodes, you expect to
get 140

I need 120 episodes. You got me all worked up with
your sexy sequel.

This is the way you don't fall asleep

as Ray. Don't fall asleep.

Unknown (01:35:39):
Called nein nein Nein. Sexist SQL.

This is how you entertain yourself by fiddling
with buttons.

Oh no. I went to a whole website. I searched for
porn music. I was pre listening.I'm like, Oh, this is not this
is not quite it and like, Oh,this is the one this is the
white. There we go. I

especially always tell when you let when you
listen to slipping. You're likeoh, sorry, guys. I'm always
telling you. I love how itstarted though. Dave

got to be more that sexy sequel talk. baybay

I'm fresh out. I used it all on YouTube. Wow.
That's too bad
that's it. Oh, that's it.Period. End of story.

I pay for that. I pay for that music vital. I
don't have you know, no. Yeah, I

Unknown (01:36:39):
paid for. Well, I

have I pay for a music service. Absolutely.

What service days?

Oh, I just closed it. I use the one I use here.
What's it called? It's like alike an annual. What's the core
elements? And vado invado.com envato.com? Oh, you're
sexy soundtracks? Yedlinphoto.com.

Really getting your money? We're getting your
money's worth. Yeah.

It's like even. That's where I got our show
theme from this. I bought that.

Oh, yeah. So your music? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. In vado
elements. Oh,

man. All right. So do we have anything else that we
must cover today?

I had on my list for the open podcasts? Yes.

I had that on my listing. I actually had it up
pretty high, actually.

But that's fine. We can kick it to next week. The

open podcast API specification. You were thinking
of building a reference server.

Yeah, and I did some more research on it this week.
And we come back to next week. Imean, this this file isn't
there's no rush on that.

I guess not. Do we have a guest next week? We have
a we got a guest coming up. Whodo you have next week?

We do we have Eric from the our podcast the Eric
built the the podcast dashboardfor us the one that shows all
the duplicates and all theissues? Yes,

yes. Yes. Yeah. What else? What else is Eric do white
does the our podcast.

He does the art. Our pagar is a programming language.
that's used a lot for like statsand scientific analysis. Yes, we

have. We have interesting people. For sure.
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the board of Eric.

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Bring your bathing suit. Eric will put you into a
hot

a hot tub. I didn't know the boardroom even had a

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way the only boardroom with a hot tub.

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more like a warm tub. It's not really hot. It's warm.
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room temperature.

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week. Yeah, me too. I love thatwhen this Go ahead.

It sounds like a podcast about pirates, right?
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or? Yeah, I love it that we just delayed talking
about something long enoughuntil someone will finally give
up and come on the show to talkabout it.

Oh man, you blew my he you've exposed my

strategy and strategy. Dred Scott who has
been indeed has been doing gifsin our chapter art which is
looked dynamite. I'm sorry, notDred Scott. Dred Scott has just
weighed today. Yes, Dred Scott.Yes, dread. I'm so confused. You
had a Brett you just had a badbrain. Yeah. Why is because of

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the lukewarm tub. That's whathappened. Yeah, heat water, low
heat. Now he's been doing crazythings with. With the with the
gifs kinds of gifs I think thatpeople are making me GIFs. Now I
gotta put gifs everywhere. For567 from Jeb, the only way I
could find to surface my podfull my pod roll is true fans.

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He really does implementeverything. And he has a drive
now has a podcast of ISOs whichis worth checking out.

I'm glad that Drib is dabbling. He's sticking his
toe in the water. He's

done. We'll put that into the boardroom there. 3333
from Eric peepee. And Ericaboosted that for the
protagonist. Remember, whenyou're boosting a song can
always go back and you canalways rewind and even pause it
and boost. Remember to tell themwhere you heard Tom got into
podcasting to point out 5000SATs from Sam Sethi. Nice to see

(01:41:03):
in the version Oh dot one dot 11of heavy pad and now have the
true fans logo. It's nice to seethe true fans logo pop up.
Although I can't reply.Unfortunately with Sam's, I'd
love to be able to reply. SamSam Sethi or his people in
America column Hey, Seth. Truefans already replaces the apple

(01:41:25):
category list if medium equalsmusic. So we take the primary
Apple category by E Music. Thenwe use the wave Lake music
category list to add otheroptions like rock, soul, etc.
Apple will never release a musictaxonomy. So we work around
them. No, I mean, it's not evenworking around them, but just
working ahead of them. That's agood way to do it. I think I'm

(01:41:47):
sure that everyone else wasgoing to follow this suit as a
good idea. So if medium equalsmusic, then you just move over
to the wavelength musiccategory. I still where does
that live? I know they have aplace for it. I'd like just like
to point to it. It's something

it's on their GitHub. It's on wave legs

GitHub. Yeah,

I think there's a link to it in the category in
the podcast, category televisionthread. Good.

Another 5000 from Sam Sethi. The iTunes namespace
is not open. It's controlled byApple. They can change it but
everyone else can't. If we wantto add their category list we
can ask but they can and willrefuse. Sam Sam big fan of Apple
big fan of apps now these days?Yeah. And another 5000 SAS from
Sam Sethi. He's clearly hit thePinot Noir everybody. He's up

(01:42:34):
late. He's drinking. We haveenabled artists feeds with that.
With our music publisher feeds,they work the same way. We have
events and ticketing next forartists and a merch store with
on demand delivery payment isboth in Fiat or SATs booth. Sam
is building an empire over thereman, true face.fm And another

(01:42:55):
5000 SATs from samsat. The truefans have enabled publisher
feeds, we have 131 Live already.I don't think sovereign feeds
doesn't do publisher feeds yet.That would be cool. I'd love to
do that I'd love to have. Imean, I know that Steven B is so
busy but I'd love to. I'd loveto do an example of a publisher

(01:43:18):
fee because I'm a publisher. Igot all kinds of

lead that Stephen has slowed down a little bit
because he was he was going toofast. He

was like yeah, he was burning up on reentry. Yes.

Yeah. He's losing towels.

I look quick chat with him this week. He's doing
good. He's doing he's doinggood. We're very happy. Another
4567 from dribs got chapters maybe a bit delayed. He says I have
a very busy weekend starting atnoon today until late Sunday.
Hoping to squeeze in chapterssomewhere in there. You know
what? Drip family first brotherit's all good. Yeah, he does so

(01:43:53):
many chapters for so manydifferent podcasts that I'm
happy they happen at all. Thankyou but

honestly really shameful for everybody for
everybody and

everybody who contributes in any way time
talent treasure

71 anybody to burn out?

No 1776 from salty cray on Good afternoon
boardrooms and positive notesSurvival Guide got her track bad
little seed used in a UK showcoming out as the intro V for V
music is working go podcastingSurvival Guide. Oh, I know
survives she is wow. Hold on asecond. So Survival Guide. I

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think she's an Austin, musician.Survival Guide homeless second.
I am using the ever effervescentsplit kit to search for this.
Always takes a second becauseit's getting all those. It's
retrieving everything fromDave's have fixed API. You hope

(01:44:52):
no not. I'm not so sure.Actually.

I promise something. Maybe I didn't deliver.

What's the title of it? It's bad little seed that
little seed

Survival Guide is Emily from San Antonio. Yes

yes yes yes That's Chris on death dreams I think
bad little seed Okay, hold on asecond do you mind if I just we
just check it out for onesecond. Hit it. Oh, I'm fast I'm
not that fast there we

go.

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please stand the time

horrible what you're doing here okay this is bad Lucy
who oh yeah I played this on onthe ball keep it out plays me

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working and then all of a suddenwe get a 45,678 boost from
Trump's got the Bruce Wayne ofpodcasts in 2.0. And he says
appreciate all you guys dospecial shout out to Steven B
sovereign feeds that made itpossible to start my podcasting
by osmosis osmosis projectexcitedly named Dred Scott

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stuff. We're

dribbling it need help on the naming front?

Unknown (01:46:33):
No, I like it. I like Dred Scott stuff.

Where I've been posting ISOs I've created over
the years he's like, there'slike 20 episodes. Check it out.
Just try and boost before yourapp ends or switch it to the
next episode. Literally. Eachepisode is an ISO. Thanks to all
those that have been answeringmy questions. Hashtag go
podcasting. Thank you, brother.For an intense that's from
anonymous. I'm sorry. 808 fromblueberry. There we go. On May

(01:47:01):
22. I'll be demoing a lit RSSfeed feed for the Minnesota
blockchain initiative. Can'twait to use split kit for the
presentation instead ofPowerPoint. Yeah. Oh, that's
cool. That's very cool.Blueberry man. He's out there.
And the tone record 20,000 SATspre show boost today sending out
a shout out to our high schoolrobotics team 2050 to entering

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the Minnesota State Championshiptomorrow. Let me hear your holid
Nightcrawler. And with that, Ithink I hit the limiter.

No, we've got no one off pay pals. Whoa, this week.
Yeah, yeah, it was slow,

slow and slow. You know, April, April is a bad
month for value for value.DeVore economic we're looking at
it. It turns out every year for16 years. April is a is a very
slow month and I'm talking aboutit's a number of donations. Just
purely the number of people butit has to do with taxes as with

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all kinds of different stuff,but it's always been a tough
month.

So it was a big one big cancellation of the month
that came in and then anothersmaller cancellation of a month
came in so we it was definitelya

hard times. Hard times

are tiring lows levels it's 27 things right
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just a little bit. Look goodPaul.

airson 10,001 SATs that's a 101012 found and he
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4000 SATs from Rp 1984 or 4000 He's to fountain he
says boost boost. Who essentialRichards from just listening.
One One on One through fountainhe says I can hardly even get
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you should be happy about it.

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two plus years just saying

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of hive and then it just doessomething okay as

long as as long as Brian's not paying for anything
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he's not that it's not costinghim any money okay, that's all
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in general but it's gotsomething to do with like you
stake this much

guy you put some money up you put some money in

and then as long as it stays there like it just
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I'll do it and I will return theinformation. Okay. Karen for the
mere mortals podcasts that's aRichards 1111 He says I don't
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after all that gunfire the adsafety human SLAs are going to

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thanks man.

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song we played last week. It was sweet cheeks the
velvet axe.

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it on the board meeting.

Ah, there you go. That's how you do it. Thank you.
Thank you. Ainsley.

Karen comes back again for another session of
Richard's they found and he sayscat GPT is super clever, great
wordplay. Dave also just crosseda million Sasa support via
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be around forever, man. Huh,

Episode 131 Toilet scroller?

There's some common theme with us. Dave there's
bathroom humor everywhere. It'snot a toilet. It's a tub. I'm
telling you.

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Do you know that? That I did the entire voiceover
for a for an actual porn moviein the 80s? No, I did. No, you
did. Yes. I did. It. I'm tellingyou it received an award from
Hustler magazine when I was 17not listen, I was 17 I was

(01:56:01):
doing. I was doing my pirateradio show. This is English or
Dutch in English is a truestory. I was doing my pirate
radio show in Amsterdam, adecibel radio. And yeah, he was
using the name John Holden.Yeah, that was right that it's
hard to like John Holden decibelradio lady. Yes. And, and so

(01:56:25):
there was this very famous guyin Holland Vilem from Kota and
he owned a big record. RecordCompany. He's still alive. He's,
he's in his late 80s. I'vetalked to him from time to time.
And he finance this movie, whichwas about a club called job,
Jim. Why ABYUM You can look itup yum. Yum, I think is still a

(01:56:46):
sex club today. And it was, andit was this whole movie in
Amsterdam, where this detect itwas starred a net Haven, who I
don't know if she's still withus, but she was an actual adult
film star. And some, they'dgotten some British actor who
was who was playing a detective.And he was really perfect for

(01:57:09):
the role if you know what Imean. But he had a very good a
very witty, wimpy Englishaccent. And so they wanted me to
dub his voice. And I did thewhole movie. And it got I think,
got the fully erect penis awardfrom Hustler magazine. And I
still Yeah, it's true. You adyard. Yeah, I did the ad. I was
like, I'm from a city healthinspection, ma'am. I mean, I can

(01:57:31):
remember some of the lines. Ibet if I saw the movie, I could
still do some of those lines.

So he was purely hard for the size of his Yeah,
exactly.

Yes. Mike. Stan. Exactly.

Well

done. Yeah. That was my early. My early career who
know? I just remember this.Yeah, I just remembered this.
Oh,

I've got to get clips from this. This somebody
please call

called Let me see. Movie. Hot Pursuit.

That's the name of the movie The Hot Hot Pursuit?

Policy. 1987 Let me say we probably have to put in
adult movie. adult movie. Adyeah, there it is. Ad it's on
IMDb.

Unknown (01:58:22):
Did you have a credit? Credit? I don't know. Let's find
out. Oh, we

gotta find this out. That's gotta be Oh,

man. Would it be funny if they had if they had a
clip from it? Miss Oh,something. Something went wrong
there hyperdrive motivator hasbeen damaged out here we go. And
that haven is Little MissShirley. Abel Cain was the
detective that I don't think Iget I don't think I get a
credit. There's the director

and you did you did the total overdub and you don't
get any credit completely

complete overnight. I don't think I got any credit.
No, I they should add me to thisthough. Oh, man, that

was a crazy thing to do. That's like no you couldn't
you're no no.

Unknown (01:59:12):
No, you pay well.

It didn't really matter that much it but it was
it was more than just a it was ait was a lot of it was a feature
film was a lot of dialogue inthis Yeah, bed. It's like a lot
of a lot of ready for the dope.Ah,

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yeah. Oh, baby.

It's just a lot of that. You could just you could
just like, take a few cuts ofthat. And then just like loop it
and I

and I remember, be sure I'll just finish up with
this. That's right. And that

Unknown (01:59:41):
hey, how did it end?

No, but But I remember that had to do a scene
with a female ADR. And it wasthis beautiful black woman and
we're both in the studio moaninginstead Just she's like in a in
a tracksuit and on my jeans andI just remember how weird it
was. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah, baby itwas it was

Unknown (02:00:09):
was very very very weird. This

was the the music video for Sweet Emotion. That's
what it reminds me of with, youknow, music video. Yeah, the end
of the video the lady ironingand she's doing the phone sex.
Yes. Yeah.

That's kind of what it was. It's kind of what it
was. I have not talked aboutthat in at least 30 years and
why would you obviously

yeah, I mean, like, you don't want that. Get out of
the bag. Oops.

I don't I don't think I don't think there's any.
It'd be funny if we could stillfind I probably have the VHS
somewhere in my in a boxsomewhere.

If if we don't get clips of this button next week.

Unknown (02:00:54):
I'll be very disappointed.

Veteran Dutch

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man Oh, man. Oh, man. All right. Okay.

Are we done? Have we have we completed our
broadcasts? Hey, brother, haveyourself a great weekend. Dave.
Thanks, everybody in theboardroom. See you back here on
Friday for podcasting 2.0.

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