In this episode of Sisters in Sobriety, Sonia sits down with Chris Janssen—board-certified coach, author of Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want, and all-around powerhouse when it comes to helping high-achieving women let go of shame and perfectionism and finally get free.
Chris doesn’t just coach people through sobriety and mindset shifts—she’s lived it. After 14 years of sobriety, she found herself drinking again. She had the perfect life on paper, a thriving coaching practice, and a head full of recovery tools… and still, alcohol crept back in. What happened next? A whole lot of hard truths, humbling lessons, and eventually—freedom. Again.
In this chat, we’re getting into: • What to do when you think maybe you can drink again
• Why it’s so easy to fall into the “I should be able to moderate” trap
• How to tell the difference between fear and vigilance
• What to do when you’re stuck in perfectionism and performance pressure
• Why community is the non-negotiable (even if you're embarrassed to go back)
• The truth about relapsing—and why you are never, ever starting over from zero
Chris also shares some incredibly powerful coaching tools for breaking toxic patterns, reframing setbacks, and rewriting your own rules. Spoiler alert: they’re useful whether you’re on Day One or Day 3,000.
This is one of those episodes that’ll stick with you—because it’s real, raw, and hopeful as hell.
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Episode Highlights:
00:00 – Meet Chris Janssen: mindset coach, bestselling author, and secretly-struggling wine mom turned sober sage
01:30 – Chris’s first sober journey: high-functioning on the outside, suffering on the inside
05:00 – The moment everything changed: one meeting, one sentence, and a huge weight lifted
07:15 – Raising three kids in sobriety and why “no one ever saw me drunk” isn’t the whole story
09:00 – 14 years later: the move, the pandemic, the identity crisis, and the return of wine
11:10 – Trying to “think” your way through moderation (and why it never works)
13:30 – The trap of perfectionism: how losing her sober streak messed with her mind
15:00 – When sober groups don’t fit—and why it’s okay to admit they’re not for you
17:30 – The mindful drinking myth and other lies we tell ourselves
19:00 – Fear vs. vigilance: how to fast-forward the tape without spiraling
21:00 – Playing it smart, not scared: tools for staying sober without white-knuckling
23:00 – Relapse shame, pride in reverse, and why going back can be the bravest move
26:00 – Labels, stigma, and what to say when people ask why you don’t drink
30:00 – What “grace yourself” really means—and how to stop trying to control your worth
33:00 – Releasing perfectionism: write down your made-up rules and start again
35:45 – Boredom or serenity? Why stillness freaks us out
37:00 – First steps for breaking a cycle when you feel totally stuck
39:00 – Peak performance and recovery: choosing your hard and focusing forward
41:15 – How Chris wishes she’d handled her relapse
43:30 – Do you really have to go back to Day One? (Spoiler: maybe not)
45:00 – What’s next for Chris: more coaching, more writing, more realness
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