July 22, 2024 • 33 mins
Brantley Gilbert is no stranger to tattoos, matter of fact, his new album carries the same name! BG is celebrating the news of hi new album and the end of a different erz of his life...sort of. This is for sure a can't miss episode of the pod.
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I was like, oh, Iat least turn off give me a favorite.
Well that, let me pull thatin front of a little bit more.
Yeah, all right, go alfterthis ship we can't use. All
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right, here we go. Bythe way I dressed up for you today,
I appreciate that I had a niceshirt pecked out and the walk outside
and I was like, oh man, it's too hot. Absolutely. Hey,
so we're hanging in the studio withBrandley Goert just announced them an album
today. Let's go baby? Isthat exciting? Oh dude, this morning
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exciting. We've been working on itsince before the last one came out.
So how long? How long doyou got to sit on news like this
before you can share? Because it'sbeen done, it's been known a minute,
he looked. He by the wayhe looked at the record, it
would be like, too long?What does take so long? Y'all?
Do please do tell? Yeah?Man, we scott boards of us as
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that me all the time, becauseonce I figured out what's going on on
the album, I immediately start workingon the next one. So I think
we started with ninety something songs andwhittled down to ten for this album.
Uh so I'm really excited. Man. This has been the first time in
a long time. Uh, well, probably the first time ever. We've
as opposed to it being like achronological chatter in my life. It's just
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like, we picked the best tensongs that sonically fit together, and man,
there's some nostalgic stuff on there.We got away from a lot of
the digital stuff and kind of recordedthis album a little bit of old school.
So I was pretty stoked about that. It kind of takes you back
to my first two albums, andthose are my favorite of mine. So
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I'm stoped, man. I can'twait to see what everybody thinks. So
the album is called Tattoos. Obviouslyyou're a guy who has plenty of them.
Why does that fit? Because sometimespeople just throw a title line and
like who cares? Right, Likewhatever, it's gonna live and we'll move
on. But why did tattoos fitfor this project? A few different reasons.
So one, Uh, all ofmy album titles up to this point
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have been something to do with myfaith, like the Faith or you know,
spiritual based titles. This one's obviouslydifferent. Uh. But the you
know, I have a cross thatruns from the top of my chest to
my belt line and sideways, andit's the biggest one I have. For
a reason, it's kind of toremind me to keep that first, or
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at least attempt to. So thatwas one of the reasons. Another reason
is if you listen to the songTattoos one, every tattoo song I've ever
heard sucks. They just suck causeit's a It's always like, look,
how cool I have I got tattoos. Yeah, real tattoo people, I
felt aren't necessarily like that, likewe we have stories about them. There's
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there's reasons we have them, anduh, you know, we sit down
for I'll never forget. We satdown through this writeing retreat in Texas and
it was like the first three sessionsI had, everybody was, man,
we got to write a tattoo song. I was like, the tattoo song
suck. I'm not doing that.And then on the last one, Randy
Montana was in there and he waslike, well, man, you know,
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he brought up we need to doa tattoo song, and I was
like, I'm not doing it.They all suck and he was like,
then make it your job on thisone to not suck. And what we
ended up with is if you listento that song all the way through,
I can point to every one ofthem specifically that the songs the song talks
about, and you know, insteadof this album, you know, kind
of telling the story of my lifeand retracing steps and doing that chronologically,
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that song kind of does it initself. So you know, we we
do the things that we've done withalbums in the past with one song,
and you know, it kind ofencapsulates my faith as well and kind of
keeps us in the lanes to beas an artist. You get you don't
get cornered too often. It's usuallylike, oh, what's your favorite song,
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what's your favorite memory, what's yourfavorite this I'm not gonna do that.
I know out of all of those, there's one tattoo that you're like,
damn, that was dumb. Whichone is it? Which one do
you look in the mirror and tryand go that's still there? Eh?
You know what? Man? Thehonesty, god truth. Is there something
that I look back on and I'mlike, you know, I wouldn't have
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done that again. But then again, I'm kind of the the anti tattoo
guy, which there's some that Ihave only that I wanted when I was
young, and I either didn't havethe money or the time to get them,
and I got them as a marrieddad. And you know, some
of them are a little on thegangster side. I kind of weaponized Bible
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verses making me what they won't remaining. My wife hates it. Songs one
forty four one. It's like,oh my God, prepare my hand for
battle, my fingers for warfare.I wanted that for as long as I
can remember and never got it.And I remember getting it and my wife
was like, what's the And Itold her the verse. She was like,
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I know the verse, but incontext, that's not what it means.
And I was like, it meanswhat I wanted to mean. You
know what I mean. There areno rules. This is my tattoo and
it means this to me. Soyeah, I kind of instead of regretting
them, I want to and gotthem later in life. She's like,
the only fingers that you're dealing withwarfare is how warm the bottle needs to
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be. Don't do that exactly untilthat's not the case. That's still gangster
to me. You don't listen,you don't tell her. I said it,
but between you and me. That'swhat I'm told about. See you
get it. Uh, We're we'regoing to dive into the album in a
second here. But as you satdown, you brought up something I can't
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not bring up, and that is, uh, you have a certain coming
up. Yeah, nothing serious.It's just abdominal hernia, which is normal,
right. Yeah, but then youmentioned there's the second one on the
books. But it's like you anda bunch of your buddies are gonna do
it together kind of like kind oflike Bridesmaids would take down Lower Broadway.
You're doing something different with you.Yeah, hired a nurse and we're all
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have go get mosetted me. It'sthe same day and just kind of go
through the healing process to get youknow what I'm saying. So, if
there's such thing as a sausage party, would this be an unsausage party now
that you mentioned it, Yeah,yeah, yeah, I hope they don't
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do nothing to the sausage. Ihope, it's just it's just I think
the how do you uh, thatwould be an extreme sausage party. Yeah.
Yeah, there's like five or sixthat was doing it. Man,
it's gonna be fun. We're in. It's during football season. You're just
gonna hang because you got did youdid? I see? Uh? It
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got pressed? Are you selling?You built up this man cave on this
property? Are you selling that place? Yeah? Sure? I never planned
on selling it, but uh,I've been looking for a farm in my
hometown for about fifteen years, anduh we found one. I've lived there
my whole life and had no ideathis place was there. But the more
time we spent over there, youknow, it doesn't really make sense to
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keep both of them. So wewe listed the other one. We're not
and it's not like I have tosell it. We're not in a super
hurry or anything, but it ison the market. T he a damn
thing on it. It was likethey did something they never do. They
called and asked before they did it, which was really cool. But my
realtor's funny as hell. He's sassy, and uh he said TMS. He
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just called me, and I waslike, well that he usually don't do
that, and you might as wellgo ahead and say yes, because if
you don't, they're gonna run itanyway, and they're gonna put something embarrassed
on there. And they did anyway. The picture they used looked like I'd
relapsed. It was like I wokeup snorted the whole first baseline like not
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the case, just the house.It was just a bad picture. Many
But to be honest, are youlike whatever sells house? I don't care.
Are you gonna build? Do youhave a new man cave built up?
Because the man cave you built atthis first property got like pressed didn't
like motor trender or somebody come toa whole people did one. It was
Uh, it's a seventy five hundersquare foot man cave. During COVID,
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man our our road crew really islike a family, and a lot of
times, a lot of years,we spend more time together than we do
with our you know, families athome. Uh, so we get used
to seeing each other. Man inthe middle of COVID, I had this
idea, and I've got four orfive carpenters in my crew. So the
band and crew, all the guysfrom Nashville came down, the guys from
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Georgia came out, and we uh, we built this big man cave and
I loved it so much. Manit on the new form, I built
a completely identical It's like copy andpaste version of it, So we're literally
just bringing all the stuff from thatone. It's already built, it's just
waiting on stuff. When it comesto this new album. You said,
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normally your album's your life. Whatever'sgoing on influences that, right, So
how did you would you say thisis the most different album's ever been for
you, like you from a verylong time since like the first two,
because it's not like it doesn't coverthe chatter in my life. It does.
It's just not chronological, right,It's not you know, we in
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the past, we've a big partof the song selection process is how they
fit the story, and we woundup with like a surplus of ninety songs
that we started from the wheel downto ten on this one, and we
based it more on what sonically workedas opposed to, you know, just
just tell the story better than thanthis other one. So, uh,
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when we went to the studio,it was it was really the songs that
we were we were really digging atthe time, and I kind of sent
all ninety songs to the man soour management company and to the label,
and everybody kind of came back withtheir top twenty and it was top fifty,
and then we went to top twentyand then top ten and we kind
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of there's that, dude. Ivalue the opinions of folks around me,
and a lot of times they hearthings I don't, and sometimes I hear
things they don't. Like the songwe released today, me and my house,
everybody fought me on it. Itwas like, that doesn't need to
go on the record. It wasa weird demo kind of and I was
like, man, if you guyscould hear what I hear in my head,
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like it's sick. And we putthe song together and it is probably,
if not my favorite song on thealbum, it's it's my second.
How often do you because as muchas you lean on opinions and stuff like
that, at the end of theday, you're the boss, right,
Like it's it's your face, it'syour image, it's your career. How
often do you pull rank like that? Like, Man, I'm I'm blessed
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with with the label situation that Ihave Scott Boar, Shutter and the folks
at Valley Music Company. I've alwaysit's been more of a partnership than it
has been like an employee employee relationship. It's it's like we really all do
getting the trenches together and kind ofmake decisions with you know, the evaluation
each other's input. And you know, I feel like that's for me,
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especially in this chapter of my career, my life. Like I'm not the
youngest dudent on the block, noone, man, I'm fitting the fitting
to turn old four oh here ina few months. So don't make that
sound like a big deal because someof us have crossed that line, you
know what I'm saying, because Ihadn't yet. That's I get it.
Hey, I yet either, I'mfar from dead. Bro just put out
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a topless album coming. That istrue. Like my tittes are on full
display. You can't use titties onthe radio, can you? We can
on the videos. Let's go.Yeah, it was my band we sit
in the cover art last Sight.On our group text, it was like,
dude, full send on the cover. Hey, how does your wife
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feel about that? Though? Isshe like, oh my god, calm
down? A little bit of both, you know what I mean? She
kind of gets it because it reallyis like the album's called Tattoos, And
like I said, all all ofmy albums up at this point, I
covered the chapter of my life.And and nothing does that better visually than
than the stories and the creeds andthe things that I put on my body
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for a reason. You know thatsong it says, uh, you know,
I didn't get these things as Ihad to, you know, like
somebody forced me to get them.I got them for a reason. You
know. There's there's songs on there. There's tattoos on here that you know
I got about when you know aboutmy my battle with addiction, you know,
so there's some for addiction itself.And and you know, like these
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cuffs here, if you look,there's there're two different handcuffs, but do
that they're together, and you knowthey pulled them apart, and they're broken
at the bottom, and it's gotthe date did I I put the bottle
down on there? So it kindof just reminds me that I'm not shackled
by anything anymore. And uh,you know, but took my whole body
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is my story, you know,so it kind of it kind of does
that in the soul itself. What'swhat's the last time you got a tattoo?
Uh? We went and redid thiswhole arm. Uh. Corey Miller
from L A. Ink or didthe bottom half. Originally in the top
was Tommy Montoya from New York,which is a crazy story because he's he's
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uh, I'll never forget. Mydad called me as mad as hell and
he was like, uh, you'veseen the TV and he's everything's opening to
the general him, it was like, I mean, yeah, there's TV's
everywhere, Bro, I've seeing them. What am I missing? It's New
York thing? Turn it on nowhereand uh tell me Mine. I forget
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where he's from originally, but I'mnot sure Englicious his primary language. You
know, he speaks a couple ofdifferent languages and he's got a heavy accent.
But on that particular episode, ifyou look at it to this day,
he's talking screens. Just blame it'sregular when I open my mouth subtitles,
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that's a true story. That wasHow fuck does that work? You
know? Does that work? Youknow what I mean? I got?
I got the sub titles for real, you know. I mean, I'm
not trying to be racist or anythingelse. But it's not even his primary
language, so I need a translator. I get North of the Mason Dixon
Line. You ought to sit itin Europe. We started the Nickelback tour
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in French speaking Canada bro them peoplelooked at me like I was full blood
out in my mind they already language. And then you know, I speak
my own version of it that Iguess, and that's that's I want to
I'm glad you brought up the Nickelbacktour because that's such a unique thing.
And and it's funny because Nickelback getssuch a bad rap now and they have
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for a long time, right,But like, but if I hit play,
you'll sing along to how you remindme? Right, of course you
will. But and it's funny becauseas soon as you were doing press,
I had called Ashley. I'm like, hey, I'm like, are they
doing uh press? She goes,well, we could get I'm sure Brandley
would do something. I go,yeah, but Brandley and Chad still doing
stuff or not that I didn't wantto talk about it, but I was
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like, wait, tag Broker,Yeah, I'm kidding, we love you.
How does that come about? Andhow do you stay open minded?
Right? Because you've always done thingsyour own way, But if you look
at the tours you've been on,like, they don't I don't want to
say they no match, but theyaren't you, right, So how does
how did you? How did thathappen? And how excited were you?
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Once it was actually on the road, but it was like, man,
you know, the tour before thatwas Five Finger Death Play, and that
was the one where everybody was like, you know what, I mean,
what's going on? Ivan and Ihave been friends for a long time and
we talked about doing a song togetherbefore Blue and Black. We finally did
a song together, and then,you know, we the conversation kind of
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turned the tour together. They werein a situation where they had toured for
more than a decade with a lotof the same bands, and we had
done you know, they had areally similar like working model tour model,
and we were kind of in thesame boat. It's like we'd always bring
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out two or three up and comersin our genre. It was like,
COVID, I'm not telling you anything, you don't know, but it took
everybody a minute. I mean,I still feel like we're still kind of
getting back to normal on the liveshow side of things. So it's like,
as opposed to offering people a similarshow format that we've shown them in
the past, you know, let'slet's mix it up something, let's throw
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something at them that that they're notthey don't see coming. And dude,
it was. It was really kindof a bonus for us because a lot
of those a lot of their fansshowed up thinking what the world is country
dude doing, and and then weshowed up and did everything. They're like,
oh, it's it's it's country,but it's not all At the same
time, yeah, you don't andyou don't do a country so anyway at
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all. There's some country stuff inthere. The songs are due. I'm
a country dude, man, That'sall I've I've ever known. So I
feel like when I write one,you know, everybody has their own definition
of what is and what it andcountry if you if you don't know,
just ask them. But I don'tthink they hand out degrees in that that
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area. And and to me,you know, I mean, I think
it's all personal preference, right tome, what makes its own country is
what it's about, you know,if it's if it's storyteller is talking about
country things like a lot of peopleget caught up in the at it's got
a rap beat on it, thatrap in country's crap. It's like,
shut the fuck up, Like therules are out the window now, like
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we're you know, you really kindof there are no rules songs in the
past, like if you listen tothis album is another thing I'm excited about.
In the past, sonically you wantedeverything to fit and with us,
there were always songs that we hadto kind of tune down for radio,
if it makes any sense, LikeI mean, this is heavy as all
get out. We got to changethis and put some country instrumentation, you
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know, to kind of make itfall in line sonically with the rest of
the album. And now that doesn'texist. You know, all the rules
are out the window. And man, you hear songs on this record that
you just you hadn't heard on acountry track before. And then we'll turn
around. There's one on the endof it that that couldn't be more country.
It's just a guitar and a doughbro like it it. I'm really
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about that aspect of the album.But yeah, man, I think all
the rules are out the window,and we're one of those acts we've always
been able to kind of play inmultiple sandboxes. Then that was our chance
to show it. You know,when the Nickelback opportunity presented itself, it
was like, man, we cannotdo that. Like people can talk all
the crap they want. They hada merch shirt right, one of their
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shirts at the merch table set itperfectly. It's a Nickelback fan or liar
because it's like, I guarantee youthe same people talking all that crap on
social media or the same one singingevery word of that show, and you
can say what you want about them. Guys, to me, until you
come see a show, can't reallytalk. Is if you come see them
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play, you won't leave talking shit. Yeah, you know you'll leave impress.
There's no offensuch about it. Thosejust row men. You brought up
the blurred lines that is country musicright now, and that's kind of where
I wanted to go next because overthe last year itself, we have been
introduced to artists who were discovered onTikTok, which was not a thing back
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in the day. Right, youhave artists who are dabbling from one genre
to another. From Beyonce did it, I feel like not super committed because
now it feels like it's not asmuch of a priority. You got Post
Malone, who's about to put outa full country album. From where you
sit, and I'm not going toask you to like judge each one,
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but like from where you sit,does all of that influence you seeing other
people kind of dabble in and whatdoes it mean for you to be you
know, someone who's done this andwatch everybody want an invite to the party?
Well, man, you know,I see some folks roll up in
arms about it. I like alittle bit of good, healthy competition one
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And you know, to me thatbeing said, a large part of this
is the music business for me isit's always been more collaborative than competitive.
It's because we've always kind of beenin. If there's a box in country
music, we know where we belong. As long as there's a box,
I know where my spot's at that'sright on the outside of it, close
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enough to touch it, but closeenough to playing that other sandbox. So
as a dude that has that's hada song on rock radio, I can't
speak negatively to people that are kindof dancing over into this genre. I
think it's kind of cool that they'refans of country music and spend time in
that space. I do think thatdifferent people do it for different reasons and
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without being specific on that, likeyou know, you know what the reasoning
is, and if somebody does itjust to kind of with with a weird
agenda, you know. The postthing though, I feel like just a
natural fit for him. Dude's acountry music fan. He wrote some country
stuff he likes, you know,he likes country music. What's wrong with
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that dude on some stuff out orformat? Don't follow me up, beer,
I think it's cool. Ship andhe's cover is the genre. He
did a cover of Merle Haggard thatwent that went viral on TikTok a while
back. Like the dude is it'sit's almost like country first, but like
the rap pop thing just happened.Yeah, well everybody's he ain't country this
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or he's a rapper. Dude,Look at that dude playing those sessions in
the studio. He's smoking cigarettes.He's doing the ship that fucking Whaling and
them did when they were in thestudio, you know what I mean.
Like he's to me again, whatmakes us o country is what it's about
that And that's obviously my opinion.Somebody else is gonna have an opinion that
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something's got a rap beat in itor if it doesn't. You know,
if you're gonna play in Texas,you gotta have a fiddle in the Van
Tyck stuff. I don't have afiddle player, you know what I mean.
You know what I'm saying. Sowe're not cool, you know what
I mean. We are what weare. Come see it, you know,
judge it for yourself. But asfar as the TikTok thing, I
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all ad meant when it first startedhappening, you know, especially being a
dude that's been around for a minute. In this business, you go from
being nominated for new artists to anold guy, you know what I mean.
They nominates you for new artists aboutfive six years in a row,
and then then you're the old guy. So we've been around, man,
if you know, I've been doingthis full time. It's been my main
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gig for twenty years. This yeartwenty four, man, we come up
a lot different. TikTok went around. We came up playing hole in the
wall bars to you know, sometimesfive ten people. When you play that
room until you can't fit the crowdin there anymore, and you go up
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to the next size room in thattown. And we worked all the way
up to you know, arenas andsheds, which is I mean to me,
that's a huge thing. Something we'resuper proud of us surrounding myself with
really solid people. Man, inthe last twenty years, we built something
that you don't see every day.But also it's it's something that was built
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organically in something that grew along theway, kind of coming up the old
school way. And I take pridein that, right. You know.
Then it seems like these some somesome folks come on the scene and it's
just overnight, they wake up andyou know, they're playing some of the
same room as we are. Andat first it was it was kind of
like a little stand like it wasa little shot to the gut. It's
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like, man, you know,like we play some nights, you wouldn't
make enough to get to the nexttime. You have to stay play extra
night, just get gas money toget to the next one, you know.
But I look at some of theseguys now as opposed to it being
you know, something that hurts myfeelings or pisses me off, I don't.
I don't have that approach at all. I see it as it advantageous
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for us. I think it wasbeneficial to come up that way. You
know, there's there's parts of touringthat I feel like a lot of those
guys come in really green, right, you throw them in front of thousands
of people when you came up,I don't, I don't care who you
are. Play into that room offive or ten people that don't know who
the hell you are. You haveto learn how to communicate with them.
You have to learn how to readan audience. And that's something that a
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lot of folks coming from the TikTokside of things don't necessarily have as far
as live show experience, you know, something they have to kind of acquire
on the fly. So, youknow, I kind of see it as
beneficial that we came up that way, and it's kind of like earning your
strikes to and paying dues and notthat. But I think they're doing some
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of the same stuff. It's justdifferent now. And you know, I
don't. I don't spend a wholelot of time on social media. I
don't lie, I don't. Idon't have my passwords to my accounts for
real. I just there's there's reasonsbehind that. But I mean, you
know, if somebody shows up onthe scene and they were on TikTok last
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night, you know, and they'rein arena tomorrow. They're on a big
tour tomorrow. Hey man, morepower to them. You know. Well,
look at it. Guys got aplan for everybody, and and uh,
you know, he's he's got apurpose for everything and to each his
own. You know, everybody's gonnafind their way. And I guess it
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all comes down to putting your bestfoot forward on stage. And I'll put
us up against anybodyny day in theweek. The funny thing about TikTok,
I'm glad you said that you're moreaccepting of it now than you were because
we have a little extra time withyou. So we're gonna try a dance
on the stage out here. Kid. I just want to see if he
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got up and left. Last thingI want to ask you was myc arena.
Yeah, Grandpa, the dances arebro No, that is the original.
What anybody said, Hey, fivebucks? If he Mocarina next time
on stay is okay? Five?I got twenty five? Why not do
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it? Last thing I want toask is collapse are more dominating country music
than ever? Right like now?If someone puts out a song if someone
else isn't on it, it's like, what don't you like anybody anymore?
Uh? You just friend. Thefirst offering we got off of this album
is with Ashley Cook, who wasa part of our on the Verse program
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with iHeart Why Ashley a rock starbro. We played a show with her
a couple of years back, andit was when she was she was really
new and she got on stage andowned it. Like everybody in that crowd
was singing every word, you knowwhat I mean? And I remember respecting
the hell out of that. Butyou know that's that's like you said,
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it's a big thing now. Sothat was a song that we wrote at
a retreat. Jelly Roll and hwe're working on an album and we've been
working on it forever and uh thatway, didn't you just tell us that
you and Jail you have a song? Oh, we got a bunch of
them, man, we just gotto finish it. Both those that to
slow down long enough to finish it. But no, that was one of
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the songs we wrote that. Imean, you don't want to see me
and Jolly Roe singing that back andforth to each other. You probably don't
somebody might I don't. It wouldmake a great TikTok, you know,
bro just saying here stadiums, herewe come. But that was one of
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those that there were a few songsthat just weren't gonna fit an album with
you and I, and this wasone of those. And man, I
fell in love with this song wellbefore we were done with it. I
mean I remember getting halfway through thechorus and being like, man, this
this, this is the things theyam after. Man, this has got
some jews. Uh. So,you know, once we figured out,
I think all of us knew itwas one of those that you heard first
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time and everybody kind of knew itwas going on the album. So the
conversation becomes, okay, it's definitelya du a to who with. And
you know, there were several ideasthat came across the table. One that
I loved was Pink. Somebody broughtPink up, and you know, that
was kind of a conversation and themore I thought about it was like,
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it'd be really cool and I'd loveto do a song with her at some
point in my career. But inthis chapter of my career, knowing that
this song was going to be asingle, knowing that we were probably gonna
go to radio with it. LikeI wanted somebody that was hungry and somebody
that would work the song with me, and uh, you know, we
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threw lots of names across the board. It wasn't like we wrote the song
and immediately you know, gods,that's an Ashley cooked song. That's that's
who fits in that part. Itwas like it was a long conversation and
it was. It was a longthought out process. And I remember at
one point my producer, Rob berryHill had had done some work with actually
and he brought her name up,and I remember playing that show with her
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and how she owned that shit.And I remember going straight the streaming service
and pulling her album up and seeingit was twenty four songs as an up
and coming female. That was justgutsy. To me. It was ballsy,
and I respected to sit out ofit. And you look at the
credits on that album, and she'snot standing by watching the world go by.
She's involved in the grain and thelevel, you know, on the
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songwriting side of things as well asthe performance, and y'all listen to her
voice and seemed like it might besomething that could work when we approached that
camp, and man, she's justshe's a freaking rock star, dude,
and she's she's a hard worker,and it's it's it's dude, I couldn't
be I couldn't be happier. Likewe talked on the phone about it,
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uh, text back and forth,and once once she got in the studio,
I remember like her producer sent uslike a kind of a board mix
that night and it was like,oh yeah, that that was the call.
She knocked it out of the freakingpart. Uh. And since then
I didn't know I didn't know hervery well. You know, we'd played
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the show together, we talked ofit, but hanging out with her and
working this soul whatever, she's she'sa trip, but she's a straight she's
a straight work orse rock star.Got to wait till September, but the
album is coming. We got details, we got some songs coming out in
between now and then September thirteen,let's go the world's largest album release,
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part blocking off Broadway. Man,it's the weekend of the National Nationville Grand
Prix Us. We're kind of piggybackingoff it, and we're going to turn
downtown into an album release party,Let's go. I love it well,
we're excited for your congrats. Andthe last thing I want to ask,
because you brought it up and ifthis plays back, someone's gonna be like,
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how did you not ask? Areyou working on songs with Jelly?
Are you guys trying to put togetherthe whole album? A little bit of
both? I mean, he's helike at this time currently, you know,
I mean here lately they've been runningboth of us to him more so
than us. I don't know howhe's doing it, but you know,
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there hadn't been any spare time towork on it. But a few months
back we found some gaps and gotin the studio when we spent a week
in there at one point, andit was like the who's who of Nashville
songwriters came out to Lee Brice's farmand it's close enough to town where you
know, they could still be homeat night, they could write with the
rights they had scheduled that day andthen bounce out there and write with us.
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And the whole thing was if yougot an idea that's against the grain
out of pocket that you have beenable to put on any other project,
to write with any other artists bringingthat shit. Let's write it that.
It was a revolving door of justthe who's who writes good stuff. It
was wild to be a part of. But there have been songs that came
out of that retreat that he cuton his album, their songs off that
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retreat that I cut on Mind,and I think eventually down the road,
probously probably a whole project a manbrandly appreciate the time, brother, brother,
appreciate you having me look at that. Bam Bo
I was like, oh, Iat least turn off give me a favorite.
Well that, let me pull thatin front of a little bit more.
Yeah, all right, go alfterthis ship we can't use. All
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right, here we go. Bythe way I dressed up for you today,
I appreciate that I had a niceshirt pecked out and the walk outside
and I was like, oh man, it's too hot. Absolutely. Hey,
so we're hanging in the studio withBrandley Goert just announced them an album
today. Let's go baby? Isthat exciting? Oh dude, this morning
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exciting. We've been working on itsince before the last one came out.
So how long? How long doyou got to sit on news like this
before you can share? Because it'sbeen done, it's been known a minute,
he looked. He by the wayhe looked at the record, it
would be like, too long?What does take so long? Y'all?
Do please do tell? Yeah?Man, we scott boards of us as
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that me all the time, becauseonce I figured out what's going on on
the album, I immediately start workingon the next one. So I think
we started with ninety something songs andwhittled down to ten for this album.
Uh so I'm really excited. Man. This has been the first time in
a long time. Uh, well, probably the first time ever. We've
as opposed to it being like achronological chatter in my life. It's just
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like, we picked the best tensongs that sonically fit together, and man,
there's some nostalgic stuff on there.We got away from a lot of
the digital stuff and kind of recordedthis album a little bit of old school.
So I was pretty stoked about that. It kind of takes you back
to my first two albums, andthose are my favorite of mine. So
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I'm stoped, man. I can'twait to see what everybody thinks. So
the album is called Tattoos. Obviouslyyou're a guy who has plenty of them.
Why does that fit? Because sometimespeople just throw a title line and
like who cares? Right, Likewhatever, it's gonna live and we'll move
on. But why did tattoos fitfor this project? A few different reasons.
So one, Uh, all ofmy album titles up to this point
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have been something to do with myfaith, like the Faith or you know,
spiritual based titles. This one's obviouslydifferent. Uh. But the you
know, I have a cross thatruns from the top of my chest to
my belt line and sideways, andit's the biggest one I have. For
a reason, it's kind of toremind me to keep that first, or
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at least attempt to. So thatwas one of the reasons. Another reason
is if you listen to the songTattoos one, every tattoo song I've ever
heard sucks. They just suck causeit's a It's always like, look,
how cool I have I got tattoos. Yeah, real tattoo people, I
felt aren't necessarily like that, likewe we have stories about them. There's
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there's reasons we have them, anduh, you know, we sit down
for I'll never forget. We satdown through this writeing retreat in Texas and
it was like the first three sessionsI had, everybody was, man,
we got to write a tattoo song. I was like, the tattoo song
suck. I'm not doing that.And then on the last one, Randy
Montana was in there and he waslike, well, man, you know,
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he brought up we need to doa tattoo song, and I was
like, I'm not doing it.They all suck and he was like,
then make it your job on thisone to not suck. And what we
ended up with is if you listento that song all the way through,
I can point to every one ofthem specifically that the songs the song talks
about, and you know, insteadof this album, you know, kind
of telling the story of my lifeand retracing steps and doing that chronologically,
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that song kind of does it initself. So you know, we we
do the things that we've done withalbums in the past with one song,
and you know, it kind ofencapsulates my faith as well and kind of
keeps us in the lanes to beas an artist. You get you don't
get cornered too often. It's usuallylike, oh, what's your favorite song,
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what's your favorite memory, what's yourfavorite this I'm not gonna do that.
I know out of all of those, there's one tattoo that you're like,
damn, that was dumb. Whichone is it? Which one do
you look in the mirror and tryand go that's still there? Eh?
You know what? Man? Thehonesty, god truth. Is there something
that I look back on and I'mlike, you know, I wouldn't have
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done that again. But then again, I'm kind of the the anti tattoo
guy, which there's some that Ihave only that I wanted when I was
young, and I either didn't havethe money or the time to get them,
and I got them as a marrieddad. And you know, some
of them are a little on thegangster side. I kind of weaponized Bible
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verses making me what they won't remaining. My wife hates it. Songs one
forty four one. It's like,oh my God, prepare my hand for
battle, my fingers for warfare.I wanted that for as long as I
can remember and never got it.And I remember getting it and my wife
was like, what's the And Itold her the verse. She was like,
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I know the verse, but incontext, that's not what it means.
And I was like, it meanswhat I wanted to mean. You
know what I mean. There areno rules. This is my tattoo and
it means this to me. Soyeah, I kind of instead of regretting
them, I want to and gotthem later in life. She's like,
the only fingers that you're dealing withwarfare is how warm the bottle needs to
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be. Don't do that exactly untilthat's not the case. That's still gangster
to me. You don't listen,you don't tell her. I said it,
but between you and me. That'swhat I'm told about. See you
get it. Uh, We're we'regoing to dive into the album in a
second here. But as you satdown, you brought up something I can't
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not bring up, and that is, uh, you have a certain coming
up. Yeah, nothing serious.It's just abdominal hernia, which is normal,
right. Yeah, but then youmentioned there's the second one on the
books. But it's like you anda bunch of your buddies are gonna do
it together kind of like kind oflike Bridesmaids would take down Lower Broadway.
You're doing something different with you.Yeah, hired a nurse and we're all
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have go get mosetted me. It'sthe same day and just kind of go
through the healing process to get youknow what I'm saying. So, if
there's such thing as a sausage party, would this be an unsausage party now
that you mentioned it, Yeah,yeah, yeah, I hope they don't
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do nothing to the sausage. Ihope, it's just it's just I think
the how do you uh, thatwould be an extreme sausage party. Yeah.
Yeah, there's like five or sixthat was doing it. Man,
it's gonna be fun. We're in. It's during football season. You're just
gonna hang because you got did youdid? I see? Uh? It
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got pressed? Are you selling?You built up this man cave on this
property? Are you selling that place? Yeah? Sure? I never planned
on selling it, but uh,I've been looking for a farm in my
hometown for about fifteen years, anduh we found one. I've lived there
my whole life and had no ideathis place was there. But the more
time we spent over there, youknow, it doesn't really make sense to
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keep both of them. So wewe listed the other one. We're not
and it's not like I have tosell it. We're not in a super
hurry or anything, but it ison the market. T he a damn
thing on it. It was likethey did something they never do. They
called and asked before they did it, which was really cool. But my
realtor's funny as hell. He's sassy, and uh he said TMS. He
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just called me, and I waslike, well that he usually don't do
that, and you might as wellgo ahead and say yes, because if
you don't, they're gonna run itanyway, and they're gonna put something embarrassed
on there. And they did anyway. The picture they used looked like I'd
relapsed. It was like I wokeup snorted the whole first baseline like not
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the case, just the house.It was just a bad picture. Many
But to be honest, are youlike whatever sells house? I don't care.
Are you gonna build? Do youhave a new man cave built up?
Because the man cave you built atthis first property got like pressed didn't
like motor trender or somebody come toa whole people did one. It was
Uh, it's a seventy five hundersquare foot man cave. During COVID,
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man our our road crew really islike a family, and a lot of
times, a lot of years,we spend more time together than we do
with our you know, families athome. Uh, so we get used
to seeing each other. Man inthe middle of COVID, I had this
idea, and I've got four orfive carpenters in my crew. So the
band and crew, all the guysfrom Nashville came down, the guys from
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Georgia came out, and we uh, we built this big man cave and
I loved it so much. Manit on the new form, I built
a completely identical It's like copy andpaste version of it, So we're literally
just bringing all the stuff from thatone. It's already built, it's just
waiting on stuff. When it comesto this new album. You said,
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normally your album's your life. Whatever'sgoing on influences that, right, So
how did you would you say thisis the most different album's ever been for
you, like you from a verylong time since like the first two,
because it's not like it doesn't coverthe chatter in my life. It does.
It's just not chronological, right,It's not you know, we in
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the past, we've a big partof the song selection process is how they
fit the story, and we woundup with like a surplus of ninety songs
that we started from the wheel downto ten on this one, and we
based it more on what sonically workedas opposed to, you know, just
just tell the story better than thanthis other one. So, uh,
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when we went to the studio,it was it was really the songs that
we were we were really digging atthe time, and I kind of sent
all ninety songs to the man soour management company and to the label,
and everybody kind of came back withtheir top twenty and it was top fifty,
and then we went to top twentyand then top ten and we kind
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of there's that, dude. Ivalue the opinions of folks around me,
and a lot of times they hearthings I don't, and sometimes I hear
things they don't. Like the songwe released today, me and my house,
everybody fought me on it. Itwas like, that doesn't need to
go on the record. It wasa weird demo kind of and I was
like, man, if you guyscould hear what I hear in my head,
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like it's sick. And we putthe song together and it is probably,
if not my favorite song on thealbum, it's it's my second.
How often do you because as muchas you lean on opinions and stuff like
that, at the end of theday, you're the boss, right,
Like it's it's your face, it'syour image, it's your career. How
often do you pull rank like that? Like, Man, I'm I'm blessed
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with with the label situation that Ihave Scott Boar, Shutter and the folks
at Valley Music Company. I've alwaysit's been more of a partnership than it
has been like an employee employee relationship. It's it's like we really all do
getting the trenches together and kind ofmake decisions with you know, the evaluation
each other's input. And you know, I feel like that's for me,
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especially in this chapter of my career, my life. Like I'm not the
youngest dudent on the block, noone, man, I'm fitting the fitting
to turn old four oh here ina few months. So don't make that
sound like a big deal because someof us have crossed that line, you
know what I'm saying, because Ihadn't yet. That's I get it.
Hey, I yet either, I'mfar from dead. Bro just put out
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a topless album coming. That istrue. Like my tittes are on full
display. You can't use titties onthe radio, can you? We can
on the videos. Let's go.Yeah, it was my band we sit
in the cover art last Sight.On our group text, it was like,
dude, full send on the cover. Hey, how does your wife
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feel about that? Though? Isshe like, oh my god, calm
down? A little bit of both, you know what I mean? She
kind of gets it because it reallyis like the album's called Tattoos, And
like I said, all all ofmy albums up at this point, I
covered the chapter of my life.And and nothing does that better visually than
than the stories and the creeds andthe things that I put on my body
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for a reason. You know thatsong it says, uh, you know,
I didn't get these things as Ihad to, you know, like
somebody forced me to get them.I got them for a reason. You
know. There's there's songs on there. There's tattoos on here that you know
I got about when you know aboutmy my battle with addiction, you know,
so there's some for addiction itself.And and you know, like these
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cuffs here, if you look,there's there're two different handcuffs, but do
that they're together, and you knowthey pulled them apart, and they're broken
at the bottom, and it's gotthe date did I I put the bottle
down on there? So it kindof just reminds me that I'm not shackled
by anything anymore. And uh,you know, but took my whole body
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is my story, you know,so it kind of it kind of does
that in the soul itself. What'swhat's the last time you got a tattoo?
Uh? We went and redid thiswhole arm. Uh. Corey Miller
from L A. Ink or didthe bottom half. Originally in the top
was Tommy Montoya from New York,which is a crazy story because he's he's
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uh, I'll never forget. Mydad called me as mad as hell and
he was like, uh, you'veseen the TV and he's everything's opening to
the general him, it was like, I mean, yeah, there's TV's
everywhere, Bro, I've seeing them. What am I missing? It's New
York thing? Turn it on nowhereand uh tell me Mine. I forget
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where he's from originally, but I'mnot sure Englicious his primary language. You
know, he speaks a couple ofdifferent languages and he's got a heavy accent.
But on that particular episode, ifyou look at it to this day,
he's talking screens. Just blame it'sregular when I open my mouth subtitles,
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that's a true story. That wasHow fuck does that work? You
know? Does that work? Youknow what I mean? I got?
I got the sub titles for real, you know. I mean, I'm
not trying to be racist or anythingelse. But it's not even his primary
language, so I need a translator. I get North of the Mason Dixon
Line. You ought to sit itin Europe. We started the Nickelback tour
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in French speaking Canada bro them peoplelooked at me like I was full blood
out in my mind they already language. And then you know, I speak
my own version of it that Iguess, and that's that's I want to
I'm glad you brought up the Nickelbacktour because that's such a unique thing.
And and it's funny because Nickelback getssuch a bad rap now and they have
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for a long time, right,But like, but if I hit play,
you'll sing along to how you remindme? Right, of course you
will. But and it's funny becauseas soon as you were doing press,
I had called Ashley. I'm like, hey, I'm like, are they
doing uh press? She goes,well, we could get I'm sure Brandley
would do something. I go,yeah, but Brandley and Chad still doing
stuff or not that I didn't wantto talk about it, but I was
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like, wait, tag Broker,Yeah, I'm kidding, we love you.
How does that come about? Andhow do you stay open minded?
Right? Because you've always done thingsyour own way, But if you look
at the tours you've been on,like, they don't I don't want to
say they no match, but theyaren't you, right, So how does
how did you? How did thathappen? And how excited were you?
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Once it was actually on the road, but it was like, man,
you know, the tour before thatwas Five Finger Death Play, and that
was the one where everybody was like, you know what, I mean,
what's going on? Ivan and Ihave been friends for a long time and
we talked about doing a song togetherbefore Blue and Black. We finally did
a song together, and then,you know, we the conversation kind of
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turned the tour together. They werein a situation where they had toured for
more than a decade with a lotof the same bands, and we had
done you know, they had areally similar like working model tour model,
and we were kind of in thesame boat. It's like we'd always bring
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out two or three up and comersin our genre. It was like,
COVID, I'm not telling you anything, you don't know, but it took
everybody a minute. I mean,I still feel like we're still kind of
getting back to normal on the liveshow side of things. So it's like,
as opposed to offering people a similarshow format that we've shown them in
the past, you know, let'slet's mix it up something, let's throw
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something at them that that they're notthey don't see coming. And dude,
it was. It was really kindof a bonus for us because a lot
of those a lot of their fansshowed up thinking what the world is country
dude doing, and and then weshowed up and did everything. They're like,
oh, it's it's it's country,but it's not all At the same
time, yeah, you don't andyou don't do a country so anyway at
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all. There's some country stuff inthere. The songs are due. I'm
a country dude, man, That'sall I've I've ever known. So I
feel like when I write one,you know, everybody has their own definition
of what is and what it andcountry if you if you don't know,
just ask them. But I don'tthink they hand out degrees in that that
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area. And and to me,you know, I mean, I think
it's all personal preference, right tome, what makes its own country is
what it's about, you know,if it's if it's storyteller is talking about
country things like a lot of peopleget caught up in the at it's got
a rap beat on it, thatrap in country's crap. It's like,
shut the fuck up, Like therules are out the window now, like
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we're you know, you really kindof there are no rules songs in the
past, like if you listen tothis album is another thing I'm excited about.
In the past, sonically you wantedeverything to fit and with us,
there were always songs that we hadto kind of tune down for radio,
if it makes any sense, LikeI mean, this is heavy as all
get out. We got to changethis and put some country instrumentation, you
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know, to kind of make itfall in line sonically with the rest of
the album. And now that doesn'texist. You know, all the rules
are out the window. And man, you hear songs on this record that
you just you hadn't heard on acountry track before. And then we'll turn
around. There's one on the endof it that that couldn't be more country.
It's just a guitar and a doughbro like it it. I'm really
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about that aspect of the album.But yeah, man, I think all
the rules are out the window,and we're one of those acts we've always
been able to kind of play inmultiple sandboxes. Then that was our chance
to show it. You know,when the Nickelback opportunity presented itself, it
was like, man, we cannotdo that. Like people can talk all
the crap they want. They hada merch shirt right, one of their
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shirts at the merch table set itperfectly. It's a Nickelback fan or liar
because it's like, I guarantee youthe same people talking all that crap on
social media or the same one singingevery word of that show, and you
can say what you want about them. Guys, to me, until you
come see a show, can't reallytalk. Is if you come see them
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play, you won't leave talking shit. Yeah, you know you'll leave impress.
There's no offensuch about it. Thosejust row men. You brought up
the blurred lines that is country musicright now, and that's kind of where
I wanted to go next because overthe last year itself, we have been
introduced to artists who were discovered onTikTok, which was not a thing back
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in the day. Right, youhave artists who are dabbling from one genre
to another. From Beyonce did it, I feel like not super committed because
now it feels like it's not asmuch of a priority. You got Post
Malone, who's about to put outa full country album. From where you
sit, and I'm not going toask you to like judge each one,
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but like from where you sit,does all of that influence you seeing other
people kind of dabble in and whatdoes it mean for you to be you
know, someone who's done this andwatch everybody want an invite to the party?
Well, man, you know,I see some folks roll up in
arms about it. I like alittle bit of good, healthy competition one
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And you know, to me thatbeing said, a large part of this
is the music business for me isit's always been more collaborative than competitive.
It's because we've always kind of beenin. If there's a box in country
music, we know where we belong. As long as there's a box,
I know where my spot's at that'sright on the outside of it, close
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enough to touch it, but closeenough to playing that other sandbox. So
as a dude that has that's hada song on rock radio, I can't
speak negatively to people that are kindof dancing over into this genre. I
think it's kind of cool that they'refans of country music and spend time in
that space. I do think thatdifferent people do it for different reasons and
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without being specific on that, likeyou know, you know what the reasoning
is, and if somebody does itjust to kind of with with a weird
agenda, you know. The postthing though, I feel like just a
natural fit for him. Dude's acountry music fan. He wrote some country
stuff he likes, you know,he likes country music. What's wrong with
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that dude on some stuff out orformat? Don't follow me up, beer,
I think it's cool. Ship andhe's cover is the genre. He
did a cover of Merle Haggard thatwent that went viral on TikTok a while
back. Like the dude is it'sit's almost like country first, but like
the rap pop thing just happened.Yeah, well everybody's he ain't country this
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or he's a rapper. Dude,Look at that dude playing those sessions in
the studio. He's smoking cigarettes.He's doing the ship that fucking Whaling and
them did when they were in thestudio, you know what I mean.
Like he's to me again, whatmakes us o country is what it's about
that And that's obviously my opinion.Somebody else is gonna have an opinion that
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something's got a rap beat in itor if it doesn't. You know,
if you're gonna play in Texas,you gotta have a fiddle in the Van
Tyck stuff. I don't have afiddle player, you know what I mean.
You know what I'm saying. Sowe're not cool, you know what
I mean. We are what weare. Come see it, you know,
judge it for yourself. But asfar as the TikTok thing, I
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all ad meant when it first startedhappening, you know, especially being a
dude that's been around for a minute. In this business, you go from
being nominated for new artists to anold guy, you know what I mean.
They nominates you for new artists aboutfive six years in a row,
and then then you're the old guy. So we've been around, man,
if you know, I've been doingthis full time. It's been my main
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gig for twenty years. This yeartwenty four, man, we come up
a lot different. TikTok went around. We came up playing hole in the
wall bars to you know, sometimesfive ten people. When you play that
room until you can't fit the crowdin there anymore, and you go up
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to the next size room in thattown. And we worked all the way
up to you know, arenas andsheds, which is I mean to me,
that's a huge thing. Something we'resuper proud of us surrounding myself with
really solid people. Man, inthe last twenty years, we built something
that you don't see every day.But also it's it's something that was built
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organically in something that grew along theway, kind of coming up the old
school way. And I take pridein that, right. You know.
Then it seems like these some somesome folks come on the scene and it's
just overnight, they wake up andyou know, they're playing some of the
same room as we are. Andat first it was it was kind of
like a little stand like it wasa little shot to the gut. It's
(24:33):
like, man, you know,like we play some nights, you wouldn't
make enough to get to the nexttime. You have to stay play extra
night, just get gas money toget to the next one, you know.
But I look at some of theseguys now as opposed to it being
you know, something that hurts myfeelings or pisses me off, I don't.
I don't have that approach at all. I see it as it advantageous
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for us. I think it wasbeneficial to come up that way. You
know, there's there's parts of touringthat I feel like a lot of those
guys come in really green, right, you throw them in front of thousands
of people when you came up,I don't, I don't care who you
are. Play into that room offive or ten people that don't know who
the hell you are. You haveto learn how to communicate with them.
You have to learn how to readan audience. And that's something that a
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lot of folks coming from the TikTokside of things don't necessarily have as far
as live show experience, you know, something they have to kind of acquire
on the fly. So, youknow, I kind of see it as
beneficial that we came up that way, and it's kind of like earning your
strikes to and paying dues and notthat. But I think they're doing some
(25:40):
of the same stuff. It's justdifferent now. And you know, I
don't. I don't spend a wholelot of time on social media. I
don't lie, I don't. Idon't have my passwords to my accounts for
real. I just there's there's reasonsbehind that. But I mean, you
know, if somebody shows up onthe scene and they were on TikTok last
(26:00):
night, you know, and they'rein arena tomorrow. They're on a big
tour tomorrow. Hey man, morepower to them. You know. Well,
look at it. Guys got aplan for everybody, and and uh,
you know, he's he's got apurpose for everything and to each his
own. You know, everybody's gonnafind their way. And I guess it
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all comes down to putting your bestfoot forward on stage. And I'll put
us up against anybodyny day in theweek. The funny thing about TikTok,
I'm glad you said that you're moreaccepting of it now than you were because
we have a little extra time withyou. So we're gonna try a dance
on the stage out here. Kid. I just want to see if he
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got up and left. Last thingI want to ask you was myc arena.
Yeah, Grandpa, the dances arebro No, that is the original.
What anybody said, Hey, fivebucks? If he Mocarina next time
on stay is okay? Five?I got twenty five? Why not do
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it? Last thing I want toask is collapse are more dominating country music
than ever? Right like now?If someone puts out a song if someone
else isn't on it, it's like, what don't you like anybody anymore?
Uh? You just friend. Thefirst offering we got off of this album
is with Ashley Cook, who wasa part of our on the Verse program
(27:26):
with iHeart Why Ashley a rock starbro. We played a show with her
a couple of years back, andit was when she was she was really
new and she got on stage andowned it. Like everybody in that crowd
was singing every word, you knowwhat I mean? And I remember respecting
the hell out of that. Butyou know that's that's like you said,
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it's a big thing now. Sothat was a song that we wrote at
a retreat. Jelly Roll and hwe're working on an album and we've been
working on it forever and uh thatway, didn't you just tell us that
you and Jail you have a song? Oh, we got a bunch of
them, man, we just gotto finish it. Both those that to
slow down long enough to finish it. But no, that was one of
(28:08):
the songs we wrote that. Imean, you don't want to see me
and Jolly Roe singing that back andforth to each other. You probably don't
somebody might I don't. It wouldmake a great TikTok, you know,
bro just saying here stadiums, herewe come. But that was one of
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those that there were a few songsthat just weren't gonna fit an album with
you and I, and this wasone of those. And man, I
fell in love with this song wellbefore we were done with it. I
mean I remember getting halfway through thechorus and being like, man, this
this, this is the things theyam after. Man, this has got
some jews. Uh. So,you know, once we figured out,
I think all of us knew itwas one of those that you heard first
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time and everybody kind of knew itwas going on the album. So the
conversation becomes, okay, it's definitelya du a to who with. And
you know, there were several ideasthat came across the table. One that
I loved was Pink. Somebody broughtPink up, and you know, that
was kind of a conversation and themore I thought about it was like,
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it'd be really cool and I'd loveto do a song with her at some
point in my career. But inthis chapter of my career, knowing that
this song was going to be asingle, knowing that we were probably gonna
go to radio with it. LikeI wanted somebody that was hungry and somebody
that would work the song with me, and uh, you know, we
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threw lots of names across the board. It wasn't like we wrote the song
and immediately you know, gods,that's an Ashley cooked song. That's that's
who fits in that part. Itwas like it was a long conversation and
it was. It was a longthought out process. And I remember at
one point my producer, Rob berryHill had had done some work with actually
and he brought her name up,and I remember playing that show with her
(29:56):
and how she owned that shit.And I remember going straight the streaming service
and pulling her album up and seeingit was twenty four songs as an up
and coming female. That was justgutsy. To me. It was ballsy,
and I respected to sit out ofit. And you look at the
credits on that album, and she'snot standing by watching the world go by.
She's involved in the grain and thelevel, you know, on the
(30:19):
songwriting side of things as well asthe performance, and y'all listen to her
voice and seemed like it might besomething that could work when we approached that
camp, and man, she's justshe's a freaking rock star, dude,
and she's she's a hard worker,and it's it's it's dude, I couldn't
be I couldn't be happier. Likewe talked on the phone about it,
(30:41):
uh, text back and forth,and once once she got in the studio,
I remember like her producer sent uslike a kind of a board mix
that night and it was like,oh yeah, that that was the call.
She knocked it out of the freakingpart. Uh. And since then
I didn't know I didn't know hervery well. You know, we'd played
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the show together, we talked ofit, but hanging out with her and
working this soul whatever, she's she'sa trip, but she's a straight she's
a straight work orse rock star.Got to wait till September, but the
album is coming. We got details, we got some songs coming out in
between now and then September thirteen,let's go the world's largest album release,
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part blocking off Broadway. Man,it's the weekend of the National Nationville Grand
Prix Us. We're kind of piggybackingoff it, and we're going to turn
downtown into an album release party,Let's go. I love it well,
we're excited for your congrats. Andthe last thing I want to ask,
because you brought it up and ifthis plays back, someone's gonna be like,
(31:44):
how did you not ask? Areyou working on songs with Jelly?
Are you guys trying to put togetherthe whole album? A little bit of
both? I mean, he's helike at this time currently, you know,
I mean here lately they've been runningboth of us to him more so
than us. I don't know howhe's doing it, but you know,
(32:06):
there hadn't been any spare time towork on it. But a few months
back we found some gaps and gotin the studio when we spent a week
in there at one point, andit was like the who's who of Nashville
songwriters came out to Lee Brice's farmand it's close enough to town where you
know, they could still be homeat night, they could write with the
rights they had scheduled that day andthen bounce out there and write with us.
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And the whole thing was if yougot an idea that's against the grain
out of pocket that you have beenable to put on any other project,
to write with any other artists bringingthat shit. Let's write it that.
It was a revolving door of justthe who's who writes good stuff. It
was wild to be a part of. But there have been songs that came
out of that retreat that he cuton his album, their songs off that
(32:52):
retreat that I cut on Mind,and I think eventually down the road,
probously probably a whole project a manbrandly appreciate the time, brother, brother,
appreciate you having me look at that. Bam Bo
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