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November 11, 2025 36 mins
On today’s Good Day Health Show - ON DEMAND…

Host Doug Stephan and Dr. Ken Kronhaus of Lake Cardiology (352-735-1400) cover a number of topics affecting our health. First up, Doug and Dr. Ken discuss the biggest news stories in the medical world, starting with the cardio-protection that’s coming from some of the GLP-1 drugs, an investigative study into how GLP-1 drugs my affect people’s risk for developing cancer, how many of these studies are funded by government grants that seem to be in jeopardy vs what is funded by drug companies.

Moving on, research shows highlights that the duration of walking matters, with a daily 60-minute walk contributes to longevity and a healthier heart. Another study brings the conversation to low-dose aspirin (AKA baby aspirin) and how it helps those with Type II diabetes. Once upon a time, baby aspirin was given to nearly everyone to prevent he first heart attack, but now the pendulum has swung to far the other way with people who could benefit from it not having the conversations with their doctors about whether or not it’s beneficial.

Next, there is a new three-pronged blood test that can predict heart attack risk, a surprising find that melatonin to help with sleep may be putting themselves at risk for future heart problems, and how AI can help doctors detect sepsis.

Lastly, Doug and Dr. Ken address listener questions, including the benefits of listening to music for those above the age of 70, is there such a thing as too much protein and what are the side effects, and the best multivitamins to add to your health plan. 


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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Good Day Health Podcast with doctor Ken Cronhouse, sponsored
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weight and keep it off. Hi Doug Stefan Here, I'm
with doctor Ken Cronhouse. Some of the best journals of
medicine in the country, if not the world. Ken studies those,
reads them every week, stays up late, and then he
will take He gives us sort of a low dose

(00:23):
of information about the various items that he has studied
so that we understand how it may impact all of
us one way or another. Ken runs Lake Cardiology in Moudua, Florida.
He's a cardiologist. It's a great cardiological clinic and people
from all around the country go to visit with him
to get his take on how they are and what's
going on in their bodies, especially their heart and circulatory system.

(00:46):
But as you listen to this program every week, whether
you do it on many of the great radio stations
that carry the program, or if you decide that you
would like to listen wherever you get your other podcast,
Because we do have a podcast, Good Day healthsshow dot com,
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they're everywhere, and this is as well. So this week,

(01:09):
as we deal with the issues of the week, a
lot of high blood pressure because of the elections. We'll
get beyond that things calm down. And speaking of calming down,
if you have something that makes you kind of nerves
and anxious and you want to get another take on
the information, why don't you call Ken's office and visit
with him. Three five two seven three five fourteen hundred

(01:31):
three five two seven three five one four double low. Okay, So,
speaking of cardiological stuff, let's get started with the cardio
protection that comes from some of these GLP one drugs
that seems to be on everybody's minds. Another reason I
guess to be excited about these, right.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Ken, definitely, Doug.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
This comes out of a journal of Clinical Investigation, very
very respected medical journal. It's a massive international trial. It
provides new evidence that semgletide that is used in medications
like ozepic and wagovi, significantly safeguard the heart by reducing
the risk of heart attack and stroke by up to

(02:14):
twenty percent. And this is even what's amazing is that
it's even in patients who experience minimal weight loss. And
this suggests that the cardiovascular benefits DOUG are separate from
just weight reduction in these amazing drugs, these glp WAN drugs.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
You know, it's very interesting. A lot of heart stuff
this week, which is appropriate for you and appropriate for
us to discuss. There are a lot of things here
that either solidify things that we've talked about. You and
I have been doing this for a long time. And
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years and years and years and years. There are hundreds

(02:57):
and hundreds of episodes of Good Day Healthcare there for
the taking. And over the years we have talked certainly
a lot about the circulatory system in your heart, because
that's Ken's specialty, and it happens this week. There's a
lot of info on things that are related to your heart.
Lots of other information too, but there's a good deal
of stuff that we should talk about from places like

(03:19):
the American Heart Association. But before we leave the gop
one drugs, there's a study, an investigative study into how
they may affect cancer people's risk for getting cancer. So
what does that shake out to be?

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Also, DOUG in the Journal of clinical investigation is a
comprehensive review that found no overall link between these GLP
one receptor agonists like those mentioned above an increased risk
of cancer, countering the early safety concerns that were concerns

(03:57):
about these drugs. The evidence in fact suggests possible protective
effects for certain cancers due to metabolic and immune modulating
mechanisms of these drugs. They make the metabolic systems in
your body and the immune systems in your body work better,
so it's not surprising that they may actually lower the

(04:17):
risk of certain cancers.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
How often do you see this sort of people have
it on their mind. Think gop one drugs are new
to the scene in essence, what four years, five years?
How long have they been around? How long have you
been prescribing them?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, they've been approved a little longer.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
I think they became on your radar screen when they
had their extended indication for weight loss. But they've been
around even longer, over ten fifteen years for diabetes, which
is how they originally were discovered. And it was only
by good luck the fact that the FDA required that

(04:57):
requires that all new class of diabetes drugs be watched
for a very extended period of time for potential bad
effects on the heart, because that's been the history of
these new diabetes families of drugs.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
You would think they would just help the heart.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Because they make the diabetes better, but unexpectedly in certain families,
not the GLP ones, they make heart issues worse. So
they when these new classes of drugs come on board,
like the GLP ones for diabetes, they had to be
studied extensively in the future for any issues with the
heart and low and behold, we discovered all these amazing

(05:36):
effects weight loss, sleep, apnea. Now we have a unique
independent benefit to the heart and reducing stroke risk.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
Just these drugs are remarkable.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
All right. So, as you mentioned that, it comes into
my mind about the government cutbacks and how much of
this they were talking about here. How many of these
studies that we're talking about are funded by government grants.
That's to be in jeopardy.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Well, a lot of these drug studies are funded by
drug companies. You know, it takes ten years in one
to two billion with a b to bring a new
drug on board. Most end up in failure, and so
much of the actual drug development money comes from private sources,

(06:25):
from from the companies you know, that's why our expenses
for drugs are so high, one of the big reasons.
But yes, there is definitely federal funding for research, and
you know what's going on with it now, and you
know and what is actually slowing probably down the process
of development is the FDA and their analysis of these

(06:48):
new products with the government shut down is definitely slowed down.
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Back when doctor Kenkronhou's I'm Doug Steffan. This good day health.
We're moving into well, there's a lot of heart stuff
this week. You were mentioning diabetes. Let's do this is
kind of a good story. I had an add on
to the walking story in that I saw a study
that suggested that men need more exercise like walking than

(09:21):
women do. I don't know how that affects this study
on heart disease, but maybe we tie them all together
because walking is something that's kind of non invasive, and
some people think they got to run or ride a bicycle.
But over the years we've talked about this and man,
how significant the just a nice walk is.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Absolutely the big picture is the general recommendation for all
of us to have optimal heart and stroke prevention is
to get one hundred and fifty minutes of moderate aerobic
exercise each week. That's a good target for all of us.
But this is a study new information out of the
Annals of Internal Medicine this week, Doug. The simple lifestyle interventions,

(10:06):
they just continue to show powerful positive results in these
large studies. This new research highlights that the duration of
walking matters with longer, uninterrupted bouts of physical activity, but
even a daily fifteen minute walk provides greater heart and
longevity benefits compared to.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Multiple short strolls.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
The study indicates a significant reduction in cardiovascular risks up
to two thirds with longer sustained walks. So what you
want to do is, you know, don't go for that
brief one or two minute walk. Try to schedule your
walk each day for at least fifteen minutes. The longer
the better. Try for a total of about one hundred

(10:48):
and fifty minutes per week. Break it up into intervals.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
One hundred and fifty Okay, So how does that impact Alzheimer's?
You know, it's good for your heart disease. But we
talk off times and we couple things together because exercise
in this circumstance would seem to be good for getting
the blood through the brain, which would slow Alzheimer's under
normal circumstances.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yes or no, Yes, more good news from your backyard,
Doug and this published this week in Nature Medicine. It's
another positive finding reaffirms the brain protective power of physical activity.
It's a study for mass general Brigham found that taking
five thousand or more steps daily, it's associated with slowing

(11:32):
down the TAU protein accumulation that's what we see in
Alzheimer's in the brain and the cognitive decline in adults
with early stage Alzheimer's disease. This DOUG reinforces the importance
of moderate physical activity as a powerful tool in neurodegenerative
disease management. So if you have any impression that your

(11:53):
memory is diminishing, you have any evidence of developing even
the minimalist of Alzheimer's disease, are each day five thousand
to seven five hundred steps at least five thousand steps daily.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
And you're gonna do something about it.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
So how do we translate that? If you don't have
a watch that counter? Steps are counter? What's a walker?
How far is a mile? Should you walk a mile
to day? Do you think that's Get a present?

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Get somebody to get you a present.

Speaker 3 (12:22):
They're so inex relatively inexpensive, and it depends the size
of your steps, so you can't really put a distance
on it. So get yourself, get somebody to get you
a present.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
Right, yeah, Or they can get one of those heart
watches that you talk about all the time that I have.
I had my physical with a local doctor here this
week and they're very impressed with that device.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yes, our office, we give them out in our office.
Many of the insurers cover them because they realize it
works for everybody that you're in the hospital less, you're
in the er less and we take better care of you.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
There you go, doctor Ken here taking care of you.
You y o you. I'm Doug Stephen. Here we are
back on Good Day Health. Here's another study on low
dose aspirin. We were talking about diabetes a few minutes ago.
And if you didn't catch that conversation, because just tuning in,

(13:19):
you can get it anytime you want on our podcast,
Good Day Healthshow dot com on Spotify or Apple or
iHeart or where you get your podcast. So let's get
caught up here on what low dose aspirin does for
those who may have type two diabetes.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Ken lots of breakthrough information about the heart because the
American Heart Association annual meeting starts at the end of
this week in New Orleans. And you know we used
to you go back about five ten, definitely twenty years,
we would give a low dose aspirin just about everybody
to try to prevent a heart attack. And then we

(13:56):
realize that there are subgroups of people who the risks
outweigh benefits, and now the pendulum has swung that we
are not probably giving out enough low dose aspirin to
prevent the first heart attack. And what we've learned is
that low dose aspirin is no longer universally recommended to
prevent hard health emergencies, but it might help people with

(14:19):
type two diabetes. And that's the news. People with type
two diabetes who take low dose aspin, that's the eighty one,
also called the baby aspirin, are less likely to have
a heart attack or stroke. And let me just add
to the study. What we also know since we stopped
giving out a baby aspirin to everybody to prevent the
first heart attack or the most is if you have

(14:41):
visible plaque in the coronaries, you need one. Also, unless
it's contraindicated, talk to your doctor about it. Don't do
it on your own, but definitely, if you have known
plaque in the coronaries, talk to your doctor. If you
have known diabetes type two, talk or one, but even
at least type two, talk to your doctor about a
low dose asphen each day, and.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
I'll give you another reason to do it, only from
my personal experience. One of the things we were talking
about my primary care for assistant this week was how
long it's been since I had an endoscopy. I mean
a colon oscovy. Duscoy's one end and colon oscavi's the
other end. I remember when having had it done and

(15:23):
the examination was finished, the doctor said to me, he
was It was funny because I share this with my
sister and she thought I was ghastly to talk about it.
My colon was pink, and he said, you must be
taking a baby aspirin every day because that's what leaves
your colon pink. And I guess that's because the blood

(15:44):
gets to all the places it's supposed to. But he
said that you're I was fortunate that my colon was
as clean as it was, and he attributed it to
me taking a baby aspirin. You agree with that overview.

Speaker 3 (15:59):
I do, but it's not enough of an indication to
tell everybody to take a baby aspirin. It's really a
complex decision that needs to be made on an individual
basis for each patient because there is some risk. It's
not a big risk, but there is a bleeding risk
to taking a baby aspin. And this is, you know,
one of those questions, there's the benefit out weigh the risks.

(16:21):
It's a question. You know, you need to talk to
a good physician to make it for you.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
So bleeding risk comes from having thinner arteries and veins
and stuff. What would make you you get that, I guess.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
The irritation of the aspirin on the gastro intestinal system.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
You know, it's an ascid.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
It will wear down the lining and some people and
make you bleed over time, and it can make you
actually bleed quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (16:49):
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All right, this is very important because most of these
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Speaker 2 (18:35):
This is going to be very.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Big, and it's a new three pronged blood tests and
it can highlight people with a nearly tripled risk for
heart attack DOUG. And the test relies on three blood
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(18:57):
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Twenty percent of us all have it. There's nothing any
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have it, and it dramatically increases our risk of having
a heart attack or stroke unless we dramatically lower our

(19:20):
LDL cholesterol bad cholesterol. The other, the second of this
group of three, is called remnant cholesterol. And this is
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(19:43):
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if you take your total and then subtract the bad
cholesterol LDL and subtract the triglyphs triglycerides, normally that number
should be less than twenty four.

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If it's not.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
The second marker here, the so called remnant cholesterol is abnormal.
And then the third in this group is the high
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(20:27):
total CRP is a measure of inflammation from.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Head to toe.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
The HS or high sensitivity is related to the circulation
and especially the heart. And when all three of these
are abnormal, you have triple the risk of having early
heart attack or stroke. Two of these three are positive,
you have twice the risk of early heart attack or stroke.

(20:57):
One of these you have about a forty five percent
in crease risk of early heart attack or stroke. I
advise everybody get these numbers checked. If your doctor refuses,
ask real nicely and just this is so important. I
can't tell you how important it is. Everybody should know

(21:18):
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Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well that's the link. Again back to what I said
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in the heart department here still with the American Heart
Association meeting, and here's a study that links melatonin, which
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(21:42):
and have a good night's sleep. It's something that I
don't think I'm going to take anymore after looking at this,
what do you say?

Speaker 3 (21:51):
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you should not pull your own teeth, be your own doctor.
Folks using melatonin, doug and this is being reported at
the annual meeting of the American Heart Association. Folks using
melatonin supplements as a sleep aid maybe putting themselves at

(22:12):
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melatonin for a year or more, they have a ninety
percent higher odds of heart failure. And this is a
very concerning result. So please don't use melatonin without talking
to a doctor.

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Speaker 3 (23:10):
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by open enrollment.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Open enrollment into.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
What, Well, don't we have now the Medicare and choices
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Speaker 3 (23:22):
Okay, that now I know what opening. There are several
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who's Medicare eligible to make the determinations for traditional Medicare
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Back with the Doctor ken Ai, I promised we would
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And I will.

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And let me back it up even one more step, Doug,
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That's interesting. So how are you using it? I don't
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Speaker 2 (28:56):
How am I using it?

Speaker 3 (28:58):
It helps us to analog studies, It helps us to
analyze data, and it helps us to do searches and
to put together data.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Definitely using it. But and one day we hope it'll
help us with our notes and that. You know, we
could talk a whole show.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
About that, but let's not go there, because let's just
talk about the news you brought up about sepsis. Sepsis,
isn't it when they usually the bacteria gets into the
blood and the infection gets into the blood, and this
becomes a very serious problem because usually it relaxes the

(29:41):
blood vessels or the body, and you can get to
very low low blood pressures and death because of how
relaxed the blood pressures. The blood vessels get by these
toxins that usually the bacteria make in the blood vessels.
So this often comes from the urine tract urinary sepsis,

(30:03):
or from the gas intestinal tract mixing with the blood,
or it can come directly by getting into the bloodstream
with these bugs and getting bugs in there directly, and
the sepsist or an infection in the blood is often
life threatening. And the news from the Journal of Critical

(30:26):
Care this week, Doug is that advances in health technology
they're showing real life saving impact in hospital settings. Hospitals
utilizing these new AI tools sepsis detection are significantly improving
patient outcomes. The AI uses predictive modeling based on patient
vitals and lab data to issue alerts far earlier than

(30:47):
traditional methods, allowing clinicians to initiate the critical treatment steps
that lead to better survival rates for this major cause
of in hospital deaths.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
In hospital, so it's the what a lot of people
think is the worst place to go. And you're sick
because there's so many bugs and we have what is it,
MRSA that people getting there in the hospital, germs floating around,
and yeah, your hospitals is supposed to do good first,
do no harm. Isn't that what the Hippocratic oath says?
But sometimes you can't help it because there's so much

(31:19):
stuff floating around. All right, So there's the food for
thought up next. Speaking of food for thought, a lot
of good questions for doctor Ken coming up here on
good Day Help. Here we are back on good day health.
Listening to music does it help? There was a study

(31:39):
that was made the reference to the Study of Geriatric
Psychiatry for those people who are seventy or over, be
careful the music listening to music. I wake up every
morning and because I do love the music of the
fifties and the sixties and the seventies, especially my era,
and I wake up and I'm hearing some of these
old songs in my head that I haven't heard for

(32:02):
years and years and years, and I'm wondering what has
brought that about. But the good news here is that
if you are listening to music, and that's what the
question is, how does it help you? I would think
it helps a lot of always calms your body down,
stress and stuff. But there's also a question about dementia.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
We learned from the International Journal of Geriatric Psychiatry this
week Doug that after seventy age seventy that listening to
music will cut the dementia risk by nearly forty percent.
And since there's no cure for dementia, you know, after seventy,
start listening to music. It's all about prevention, and playing

(32:41):
an instrument even adds even more to the lowering risk
of getting dementia after seventy So listen to the music.
And if you can play an instrument.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Listen to me. This how's like a Doobie Brother's tune.
To me listen to the music. Here's a question about protein,
the protein the products that feature protein that are promoted.
Is there a question about and I've read this in
condent ask That's why I'm asking it. So it's such
a thing as having too much.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
Protein, definitely, and you can do your kidneys in by
having too much protein, get kidney stones, etc. But also
you can do yourself in by it not having enough protein.
And the amount of protein and how you should take
it during the day and boluses, not all at once.
This is where you need a good dietitian. And if

(33:34):
you haven't spent some time an hour in your life
with a good dietitian, I urge you to do it.
It'll prolong your life. And this dietitian will tell you
how much protein for you you should have each day
and in what size each of the doses should be
and what time of the day they should be. And
this will optimize your muscle development, your whole body development,

(33:57):
and not get into any problems with your kidney.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
These kidney stones are no fun.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Questions about minerals and what we always talk about vitamins,
But there is a you know, an important thing that
you need to have in your body called minerals. Some
of the things are natural to us and other things
that grow. Are there rare earth minerals that we aren't
thinking about? Is the question? And how much? What should
we You always say to take a general good multi vitamin,

(34:23):
but are there minerals in those vitamins?

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Step one?

Speaker 3 (34:26):
The key is eating a well balanced, healthy diet and
that will for most of us get all that we
need and we'll ever need. But just if you want
a little bit of an insurance policy, I'll tell you
what I do. I mean, I do take a multi
vitamin multimineral each day, and whether I need it or not,

(34:48):
you know, it just makes my urine rich in vitamins
and minerals if I don't, and that's what I would recommend.
But the key is eating a good healthy diet.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
The baby world questions about feeding and what you should feed,
isn't breast milk enough or there are other things that
I mean, we all think I have cows, then have
calves on them, they're nursing all the time. We think
that's the best thing to do. I had a calf
born that was early and we've got her. We kind

(35:18):
of put her on the cow so that she would
learn how to suck. But if there's a pre term human,
what do you do is it? Can you put them
right on the mother's milk or.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
This is really good news From the American Academy of
Pediatrics conference this week, DOUG a welcome update in neonatology
the first thirty days of life simplized care for the
most vulnerable infants. This new study suggests that pre term
babies may safely start full milk feeds on day one,
challenging older, more conservative practices that delayed full feeding. This

(35:54):
could promote faster growth, better gut health, and potentially shorter
Nick you that's the intensive care unit for neo Nates stays.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Wow, that's pretty all. This stuff is very amazing. It
really is how much time and energy is devoted to
helping people, and that's really what doctors are all about.
Doctor Ken from Lake Cardiology, you want to be in
touch with him and go see him called three five
two seven three five fourteen hundred. That's the number into
his office. Ken Cronhaus Doug Stefan Goodday Healthshow dot com

(36:26):
is where you can get the podcast, all the old stuff.
My preference, my priority is to get you listen on
the radio and if you get started there and you
get lost or something, then you go do the backup
at good Day Healthshow dot com. Wherever you get your podcasts.
This program was produced at Bobksound and Recording.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Please visit bobksound dot com.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
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