April 12, 2020 • 51 mins
Ilyas and Shy, saddened by the passing of Ben Okri, explore whether or not they actively eschew understanding aspects of their lives in order to maintain their sanity. Whilst trying to define the word eschewing, the conversation inevitably forks down the divergent paths of Natural Selection, Wisdom, Love and Mental Health. **It has since been made clear to us by Ben Okri himself, that he is much very much alive and well**
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