November 29, 2023 • 33 mins
Ever wonder what happens when a fine Spanish wine meets the juicy Thanksgiving turkey or the political rumors fueling Washington? Find the answer in our latest episode of Wine Thirty, where we share our Thanksgiving week tales, discuss the US election and policy, and delve into the fascinating world of Spotify Wrapped. Enjoy the crisp notes of Lagar De Bracio white wine while we ponder the portrayal of older moms in media and how inheritance is creating more billionaires than ever.
Strap in as we bring the unique flavors and sights of the Pacific Northwest to you, from the offbeat gifts at Uncommon Goods to the stunning Zoo Lights at Woodland Park Zoo. Discover our favorite Thanksgiving dishes and get a taste of our morning jaunt around Green Lake Park. But it's not all pleasantries - we also tackle the sticky issues of public debt, government spending, and internet censorship. With a proposed bill from Lindsey Graham and Elizabeth Warren at the center, we debate on its potential impact on privacy and freedom of speech. Don't miss out on our lively discussion, sprinkled generously with laughter, adventure, food, and, of course, wine.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everyone and welcome to another episode of
Wine 30.
We hope you all had a wonderfulThanksgiving week.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We did.
We saw family.
Ren had a blast.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah, so that's something I will be talking
about on this episode.
Is our road trip, as well asSpotify, wrapped?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
All right and I'll be touching on the election and US
policy.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Woo hoo, yeah, so fun .
So what I'm drinking today is aLagar Day Brace.
It is a 2020 white wine fromSpain.
It is Palomino grapes,trexadura grapes and Toronto
grapes and it's kind of a strawyellow color with like tinge of
green, so it definitely lookslike you're out in like the
(00:44):
wheat fields.
Nice Like.
When you look at this wine,they say it pairs well with
roast turkey with lemon orbutter, and that's pretty much
exactly what I would pair withthis.
Or like a fettuccine alfredowith chicken, like it's
definitely a chicken wine.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's a scaredy cat wine.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The scaredy cat wine.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Chicken wine.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Chicken wine or turkey.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
If you were selling that to a table at a restaurant,
you wouldn't want to call it achicken wine.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Online.
It said that you could alsopair it with white fish, but I
feel like it's much better withpoultry than white fish.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Oh, poultry is good.
Good way to put it.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, like turkey chicken, like lighter white
meats.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Pair as well.
Poultry, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, this is a pretty nice wine.
It's crisp.
I was scared when I smelled itbecause I had that hint of
chardonnay in color and in smelland I was like, oh no, not
another wine that's likechardonnay.
But it doesn't taste like achardonnay at all, so that's
nice.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, this would actually be a nice Thanksgiving
wine, actually, if you weregoing to do a white with
Thanksgiving dinner.
So exciting.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Something that I was let down about this year's
Thanksgiving is I didn't haveany leftovers, and that's one of
my biggest joys aboutThanksgiving is the next day you
have a turkey sandwich.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I know it's hard, because we were in Seattle area
for Thanksgiving and then wewere going to Coeur d'Alene area
the next day, so we didn't getto stop in and have lunch and
eat leftovers before we head out.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's weird that your parents didn't have any.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, they didn't do traditional Thanksgiving because
it was just them, and then mysister came over so they did
ribeye steaks and stuff insteadof traditional Thanksgiving.
So we did eat their artichokedip.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, I'd been really really good at home about
eating very clean, where I waslike, oh, I'm not really doing
breads or processed sugars orthings like that, and then we
went on this trip and it allwent out the window.
It was a bummer.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I didn't have to figure that one out.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
OK, so what did you watch this week?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, I watched a little bit of football.
We watched a game, a bit of agame, of the Vikings versus the
Bears.
So Chicago versus Minnesota.
I feel like I was kind ofrooting for Minnesota because I
got family there.
They did not win, but it was aclose game, really close game.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, I watched a movie last night.
I didn't watch much while wewere gone because we were
sharing hotel rooms or likerooms with the baby and you
can't have the TV on while he'ssleeping.
So last night, once we got home, I watched Otherhood, which was
a movie with Angela Bassett,Flissie Hoffman and Patricia
Arquette, and it was kind oflike what you would call a
(04:00):
mom-com.
Mom-com Because it was like acomedy about moms.
For sure I enjoyed it.
I actually like it when theyhave more middle-aged actresses
than the mom-coms, than a bunchof women that are like 22 or 23,
like, oh, we're cool moms.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I know I feel like the older I get, the more I'm
like I think millennials arehaving kids later.
They are the most part, and alot of XR as well.
But they probably will startreflecting that trend in movies
too, because I know that moviesfor a while were reflecting
really, really young moms.
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Juno came out, she was asurrogate and she was like 15 or
something, right.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, she was supposed to be what like a 6, 5,
16?
.
Yeah, in high school Like asophomore yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So it's kind of like that was probably more common in
the 70s.
My mom had kids.
I mean Juno didn't take placein the 70s, but no, but it's
kind of like that nostalgicthing for those people that grew
up during that time and hadkids.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, because the people who wrote it were
obviously a little bit older,right.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
So, yeah, that's something I hadn't really
thought about.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So I'm thinking that it's going to reflect.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Where you're going to start seeing like oh, the moms
in movies who have toddlers arenow going to be in their 30s.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I read an article today.
They're talking aboutbillionaires and a lot of
billionaires are dying, butthey're passing on their wealth
to their kids, so there's morebillionaires being created,
because if you have two kids andyou split your billionaire
money, then now you have double,yeah, two billionaires, as long
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as you had enough wealth tomake both of them billionaires.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But the thing is that even if you split half a
billion dollars between two kids, it's very easy to grow that
much wealth.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, yeah, think about it.
All you have to do is invest inone thing the doubles.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, and I mean interest.
You would be just occurringjust so much money every year,
yeah, Be crazy.
Um, yeah, I literally had notthought about the fact that,
like older moms, will bereflected in media at some point
in time sociology.
There is that new Netflix.
(06:22):
I think it's a movie called olddads and it's like, isn't it
bill Burr?
And he's supposed to have likea kid in like kindergarten or
first grade or something.
I like bill Burr but it'ssupposed to like reflect the
fact that, like you, also havedads that are older.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
He's probably my second or third favorite Mckay
comedian right now.
Mmm, I Think he's a littlecross sometimes and a little
people think he's like kind ofhard to swallow, but for the
most part I think he's reallyfunny.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So that leads into what I've been listening to this
week.
Oh yeah, because you know wewere in the car.
We listen to some music, welisten to some radio and then we
listen to just like an hourhour and a half a stand-up from
Steve Rana ZC.
Okay who I had not heard beforeat all.
I had never listened to hiscomedy, but Spotify had
recommended it to me when Ilooked at comedy and I was like,
(07:12):
okay.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So I've never been on Spotify, but I did just get a
free trial Try it out, so I'vebeen listening to some
Electronic music.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, it drives, me crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And so I'm exploring the different subgenres of like
electronics.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Are there subgenres?
Yeah, which ones are you reallyfeeling right now?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I don't know, I'm just learning.
Just recently I like, forinstance, I've got this guy I
was listening to you called DaveAngel.
Mm-hmm and I got to his musicfrom Joey Beltram and I got to
his music from you like, it's arow bones and Frankie bones is,
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I guess, a, an older guy who'sbeen doing it for a while, and I
can't remember the name of thissubclass now that I think about
it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
But you're, you've just been delving into a lot of
like EDM.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, I guess there's tribal electronic music that I
Haven't tried listening to yet,so I'm gonna try that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Okay, cool.
So what I've been playing?
I used to play this game called2048.
That was like an app game whereyou match numbers to make
bigger numbers, and I'dcompletely forgotten about it.
And then at Thanksgiving,andrew Zandt was playing it and
I was like, oh my gosh, I forgotabout that game.
So I redownloaded that and I'vebeen playing that a lot.
It's kind of like meditative.
Okay, yeah you can like almostzone out and do it and it's like
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it's nice, it's a relaxing game.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I've been playing that online passive game torn.
It's like a crime.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, I was gonna ask if that was your like mafia
mobster game.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's like a mobster game, but I tried not to do bad
stuff in the game if I can andobviously you have to like fight
people or whatever but For meI'm just a spray painter Like
it's.
That's bad.
But not as bad it's like uhyeah, and I kind of look at it
like the better I get at spraypainting stuff, I'm like it's
kind of like art, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Within a game.
Yeah, graffiti art, okay.
So then what I've been reading?
I've been reading a little bitmore of Harry Potter and the
prisoner of Azkaban, but becauseof our trip, I've obviously
read a lot less than theprevious weeks.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, I've actually been reading a lot.
I finished up lone wolf and cub.
So, there's like 24 volumes ofthat.
I just went through like thelast 10 really quick and then I
teared out.
I cried at the end.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I was.
I actually didn't want to tellanyone that, but anyway, it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Andrew was just up until like 4 am Just sobbing
last night.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I was up pretty late and I like the ending.
The last line really got me.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I couldn't help myself.
I did tear, rolled down mycheek.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Well, I was listening to that they thought I was you
which is that Mary, kate andAshley podcast and they were
talking about, because they didlike a multiple part series
about their last movie, thatthey did their direct-to-home
movie and they were like that itgets to the end, like the very,
very end of the movie and likenow that you know that they knew
it was their last movie theywere doing.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah like they're like you like shed a tear at the
end, like because it like wrapsit up, I shed a tear because,
like, and it was a masterpiece,because it was like the last
line made the tear come.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I wasn't even sad or anything.
And then, like that last linecame and then I shed a tear and
I was like Wow, you know I lovewhen the last line is like a
punch to the gut.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, that hurt my heart.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, I was like.
That is really sad, but great,you know.
Yeah, so I then I picked up thegraphic novel called the
boogeyman.
It's a newer graphic novel andit is dark, but the art is
really cool.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
See, I'm gonna have to look it up, just the art.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I probably won't actually read it, but yeah, I've
been like reading some reallydark graphic novels as of late,
or just these two, but I Alsolike to read lighter stuff too,
so if anyone has anyrecommendations?
I?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Mean Laura Olympus, always a treat that's dark.
It's not dark what Olympus isnot dark the color scheme is
it's?
very bright and vibrant.
She's like hot pink.
Hades is like bright blue.
Okay, they're all very likeBright and vibrant, but also
like, I mean, he is king of theunderworld, yeah, so you get
like a little bit of darkness.
(11:41):
I guess it's fun.
I think it's poppy, okay.
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We are now ready to talk aboutthat road trip.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So we basically went up through Ashland no snow.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, there was no snow on a road trip, which is
kind of nice, because our carcan't really handle snow all
that well.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, we just have a small car, so if there's a lot
of snow, they're always likechains required and it's a pain
in the butt.
And then we tracked up toPortland.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Are you doing that?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's.
You're tracking upwards.
Okay, do you not like my soundeffects?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I mean it's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's just so.
We went up to Portland, westayed for the night and then we
went to the Columbia EmployeeStore, which was pretty cool.
I typically don't even think tobuy stuff from Columbia because
we live in California where bigjackets and sweaters and stuff
don't make a ton of sense.
But I got this really cool hotpink hoodie that the hood is
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like raincoat material.
So I'm like, ooh, so now if itdrizzles or starts to rain while
we're on a walk, I'm protectedfrom the rain.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I know, I feel like that's very California.
You know like, oh, you're justgoing to get a little bit of
rain.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
But it had a thick layer inside, like a heating
layer too, so it's meant forwhen it's colder out.
So it probably actually wouldbe perfect for like Seattle,
where you just like go out andyou get some rain.
At any given time it can rain.
So they also have the othercool brands.
They're like Piranha MountainHardware and Sorrel.
So then we trekked up northagain.
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That just drives Andrew crazy,so I keep doing it.
So we went up just north ofSeattle, we went to the zoo
lights.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I know those are so nice.
I was actually very impressedwith the zoo lights.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I know I was worried because they like started at our
baby's bedtime and I was like Idon't know how he's going to
handle it.
He did as well as he possiblycould.
Yeah, Like he was tired, but hewasn't like screaming his head
off or anything, and there wereparts of it that he really
enjoyed.
There was like this room thatwas like a little storage
container that you walked in andthere were lights all up the
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walls and the ceilings and youcould touch them.
And like the video of him, hejust has his mouth like wide
open and off.
I think that's just really cute.
But I was impressed with all oftheir lighting Me too and I did
not see a single actual animal.
I'm like I guess they werethere.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I know.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I don't know if it was actually that type of
entertainment.
Well, the Woodland Park Zoo hasanimals.
It was just nighttime, so theywere probably all like scrolled
away in their sleeping quarters.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, it wasn't really like animal time.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It was like a light show.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But it's like weird because you think you would like
walk by like the reptilesection or something and see
like tanks of snakes or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But I actually missed there was a spider section but
the kid was losing his mind so Imissed like a large chunk of
that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well, it wasn't that he was losing his mind.
He like was a little bit fussy,but he smelled so stinky and
we're like, okay, we got to gochange him.
So we went to go change him andhe wasn't even dirty and I was
like, come on, kid.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Well, I don't feel that bad because it's like, or I
feel bad because he's like upat nine o'clock at night, you
know.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Well, we finally got back to the hotel about nine
when he started losing.
It was probably like seven,seven thirty, which was, you
know, an hour hour and a halfpast his bedtime.
So I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And it was dark out and cold and cold.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, so that was a lot of fun.
The next day we hadThanksgiving.
What was your favoriteThanksgiving dish this year?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I really liked the sweet potatoes.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I don't really eat that much mashed potatoes, but
during the holidays I eat a lotof mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I love mashed potatoes.
The stuffing was also prettygreat, yeah, okay.
So then the next day we got upearly, we did a walk around
Green Lake Park in Seattle andthen we went out to the
Cortelana area, which, once wegot there, we basically just
passed out.
And then the next day we wentto a hockey game and it was like
my first hockey game ever and Ihave to say I don't think I'm a
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hockey person.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, I thought it was fun.
It's not like something I'dfollow.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, it's one of those things where you're like,
okay, we went once, that waslike a cool experience, like I
kind of get the game.
Now I just don't like cheeringpeople on for like punching each
other.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Maybe if you lived up there you'd feel differently
about it.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Like if, like it was like a local community thing and
you're like, yes, these are ourboys, this is our community.
But it was weird because, likemost of the team, it was like
the Spokane Chiefs, but most ofthem are from Canada, like all
over in Canada or Sweden, soit's not like they were really
local to the area either.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Well, it is a Canadian league right.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, that is true.
So we like visited with my moma couple of days, then we went
down to Walla Walla for thenight and then down to Bend.
Now we are finally back home.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Kind of a long trip, 11 days.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, and then someone stole my 1989 Taylor
Swift cardigan off our porch.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Just brooding about that.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I am brooding about it.
I'm like I thought we were inlike a really like in a
neighborhood where I trustedpeople, but the thing is it
could have been someone drivingby who was like checking
people's porches, knowing theywere going to be out of town for
Thanksgiving, but all of ourother packages were there.
So they like purposely took myTaylor Swift cardigan.
They probably saw Taylor Swiftstore and were like yes, Maybe,
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yeah, so that's our trip.
Now you can bring us down, down, down with some US policy.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I don't know why you got to set me up like that.
It doesn't have to be that bad.
I was just going to talk aboutthe public debt or the
government debt that we have.
I just read a couple of factsabout it and some opinions, and
a lot of people seem to thinkit's not a government debt issue
, it's a public debt issue andit has to do with reckless
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deficit spending and ballooningpublic debt.
So like inflation is not greatfor debt.
And then the narrative that thegovernment spends is public
sectors shouldn't have to makeresponsible budget cuts or
decisions, and they're like wedon't need to be responsible.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And they also say spending must continue
indefinitely.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So they're like not only are we not going to cut
these useless things that wehave going on, that we should
never set out, we're just goingto continue spending more and
more and more and getting moredebt.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
But I know Andrew was saying 15% of taxpayer money
goes just to pay the interest onthe national debt.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, so our debt is so staggering right now that we
have to spend $8 billion $808billion to maintain the total
federal debt.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Because that's how much we owe in interest each
year.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And that's 15% of the total federal spending.
And that's just to pay theinterest on the debt that the
trillions of dollars we owe.
Also, another thing to takenote of is Biden has been
increasing the debt by trillions.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And our taxes just keep going up and up and up too.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Right.
And inflation, yeah.
So it's kind of like this weirdplace and there's a lot of
people that are saying, well,our dollar runs the world type
of attitude.
And then there was a quote froman article I was reading and it
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says all empires believe theircurrency will be eternally
demanded until it's not sobasically, fiscal responsibility
is not being upheld.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Because people are basically like our dollar is
going to be great forever andright now our dollar is valued
in the world.
So it's kind of like this thingbut it won't be forever.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I mean, just look at the pound right, the pound isn't
valued the same way it was evena few years ago.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, and raising debt and then deficit
irresponsibility and thenincrease in interest rates can
lead to currency collapse.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, yeah, we are such on a brink of a massive
recession because of like.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And our debt's insurmountable right now.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Well, and didn't he just ask for $600 billion to
give for more weapons for Israeland Ukraine?
Why are we spending close to15% of our spending to send
weapons in, like something thatwe shouldn't be?
Why are we supplying weapons toIsrael?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, yeah, and then when we do stuff like that, when
you push the limits of thefiscal responsibility it can, it
leads to more taxes, lessgrowth within your own country
and inflation, future inflation.
So it's like when you give,it's nice to give, but not at
(24:58):
the detriment of your owncountry, you know like such a
bummer, because I like reallyliked Biden when he was running.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I was like, oh Biden, love Biden.
He's just like a cozy old man.
And now I'm like dude, likeeverything he does.
I've gotten to the point whereI'm just frustrated by every
single thing he does.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah.
So the fallacy is that you knowreducing deficit would lead to
global monetary meltdown becausewe wouldn't be giving to as
much money or, you know, payingas much out, which is a fallacy,
and the correction on thatfallacy would the world doesn't
run out of money if the UScorrects its imbalances.
(25:40):
Like they don't just run out ofmoney because the US is
correcting how much moneythey're spending.
You know what I mean?
Like we still are going to bespending a lot of money on
foreign aid or whatever.
We're just going to tighten ourbelts a little bit to try to
get our debt down, and I justdon't see like that really being
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focused on in our politics atall.
I don't see anyone talkingabout that.
Biden just did a, and the reasonthis is a current topic is
because he just did a 45 daylike cushion if the government
shuts down.
So he like put like 45 daysworth of money aside so that if
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they just they can't figure itout and they have to shut the
government down.
The thing I have to say aboutthe shutting the government down
is they've shut the governmentdown in the past recent 2021.
And our economy actually was inwent up 2.25%.
They're saying that the economycould get like people are
(26:46):
speculating that if they shutthe government down, we could go
down 0.5 or 0.05 or somethinglike that like a miniscule
amount.
But in the past we've shownthat our economy can continue to
grow even when the governmentshut down.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, because they're not spending as much, right?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
So when they make this big deal about the
government shutting down.
It doesn't even affect theeconomy, and this kind of leads
into another issue I have, whichis they're again attacking
privacy on the internet.
So Lindsey Graham and ElizabethWarren are working together on
(27:24):
a digital censorship bill rightyeah a censorship act, I think.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Which, like I, hate the idea of censorship in any
place.
Like internet, not internetlike schools, like why are we
censoring crap?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, and also they're trying to push a bill
where they would have a lot ofauthority over, like bandwidth
companies, and so they're tryingto control the bandwidth
because they are saying thatbandwidth companies are
discriminating on age, gender,wealth.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Okay, I don't think it's that at all.
I think it's like if you pay$15 for a plan, you're going to
get the amount of bandwidth youpay for.
If you're paying $500 a monthfor, a plan you're obviously
going to be getting morebandwidth.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
And that's not discriminating against people
that are poor or female or maleor old or whatever.
It is just the plan they chose.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Government meddling is what it is.
Yeah, and that's not how theAmerican markets ran.
We're supposed to be freemarket, right?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So, like.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
The government's not supposed to be meddling unless
there is, unless there istravesty happening, like you
know they're hurting people orpeople are being forced into
poverty Then the governmentshould step in and say that's
against the law.
But they shouldn't beinterfering with free market
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because the competition's there,right.
Like if somebody overchargesfor broadband or internet,
somebody else will come in andoffer less.
That's how fiber got started.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Well, that's why Starlink is.
Think about phone plans.
Right, you had AT&T Verizon.
All of those that kept likeraising the prices, raising the
prices, raising the prices.
I know people that werespending Government actually
stepped in.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That's what they're trying to administer with the
internet, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But what I was saying is like plans were getting up
to like.
I knew people that were payingtwo, three hundred bucks a month
for cell phone service, rightyeah.
But then companies like Visiblecame out and Mobile came out
and they're like oh, we'll giveyou the same service for 25
bucks a month.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, and that's cellular, though that's
different than I know, it'sdifferent than internet and
broadband.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So the landline, they were kind of doing as well what
I'm saying is that In freemarket, if things get too high,
other companies will come outand offer it for less.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Well, that's the idea .
Right yeah?
Is that you have a fair market.
If the government really wantedto make it more of a fair
market, they wouldn't give somany subsidies to chain
corporations like giganticbusinesses.
Yeah, I agree, Because I feellike Amazon Tesla even Toyota
are getting just they would makethem what's Biden's words?
(30:03):
Pay their fair share.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Mm-hmm, which currently, I feel like the
middle class, is the only peoplepaying their fair share, and
then I feel like they're payingmore than their fair share.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So that's kind of a crappy place to be.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So that's kind of a downer, but on a positive note.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Spotify RAPT is out.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Spotify RAPT is out okay.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So, for the average person, Spotify RAPT.
If you don't know, Spotify iswhere they tell you like your
top artists of the year, yourtop songs of the year.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So I finally caved and got Spotify.
He did, but after.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Spotify RAPT came out , so you don't get Spotify RAPT.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Really.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Well, because, okay.
So Spotify RAPT actually onlylooks at analytics from January
through October, so November andDecember aren't included, which
, when I was looking at ourpodcast like stats, I was like,
oh, this is so cool.
Like 16.6,000 people were intheir top 10 podcasts that they
listened to this year.
That's really fun.
(31:03):
But then I was sitting thereand then I realized that it only
covered through October and weonly added our podcast back on
Spotify at the end of August, sothat's only in a month and a
half 16.6,000 people.
Like go, you guys made like wemade that many people's top 10
just in that short period oftime and I was like dang.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yes, get us on the charts.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I mean, we're pretty much always on some charts
somewhere.
That's nice.
I've been with Apple.
I've been actually playingaround with our genre a lot
because I feel like we kind offit into multiple genres but you
have to pick like one maingenre.
So I'll be like are we newscommentary?
Are we daily news?
Are we entertainment news?
Are we society and culture?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I know all those things I kind of mess around
with it just a little bit.
So what's your last topic?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I mean, that was it.
Oh, spotify RAPT.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Nice.
Let's wrap this episode up,then, because we are out of time
.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
But do you want to guess who was at the top of my
Spotify RAPT?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
For my music.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Uh what.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You don't want to guess.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
No.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh gosh, every single day.
Lindsay says that name at leastthree times a day, but you know
what?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I looked at my last FM and had it been looking at my
analytics from Apple Music, mynumber one artist of the year
would have been Slumberkins.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
So um, that's, right.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
For you being Wren's number one.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, but it was on my account, so that's what it
would have popped up as, had Iused the same music service all
year.
I was like that feels aboutright.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And then in sync, I think would have been in his top
five too.
But yeah, there we are.
So now we are heading into thebest month of the year my
birthday month, and Christmas,okay and New Year's.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
That's very objective .
Speaker 1 (32:55):
It's a great month.
We're excited, so be sure tocheck in with us next week for
another episode of wine 30.
Hi everyone and welcome to another episode of
Wine 30.
We hope you all had a wonderfulThanksgiving week.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We did.
We saw family.
Ren had a blast.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Yeah, so that's something I will be talking
about on this episode.
Is our road trip, as well asSpotify, wrapped?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
All right and I'll be touching on the election and US
policy.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Woo hoo, yeah, so fun .
So what I'm drinking today is aLagar Day Brace.
It is a 2020 white wine fromSpain.
It is Palomino grapes,trexadura grapes and Toronto
grapes and it's kind of a strawyellow color with like tinge of
green, so it definitely lookslike you're out in like the
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wheat fields.
Nice Like.
When you look at this wine,they say it pairs well with
roast turkey with lemon orbutter, and that's pretty much
exactly what I would pair withthis.
Or like a fettuccine alfredowith chicken, like it's
definitely a chicken wine.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
It's a scaredy cat wine.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
The scaredy cat wine.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Chicken wine.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Chicken wine or turkey.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
If you were selling that to a table at a restaurant,
you wouldn't want to call it achicken wine.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
No.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Online.
It said that you could alsopair it with white fish, but I
feel like it's much better withpoultry than white fish.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Oh, poultry is good.
Good way to put it.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, like turkey chicken, like lighter white
meats.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Pair as well.
Poultry, that's nice.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah, this is a pretty nice wine.
It's crisp.
I was scared when I smelled itbecause I had that hint of
chardonnay in color and in smelland I was like, oh no, not
another wine that's likechardonnay.
But it doesn't taste like achardonnay at all, so that's
nice.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
That's good.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah, this would actually be a nice Thanksgiving
wine, actually, if you weregoing to do a white with
Thanksgiving dinner.
So exciting.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Something that I was let down about this year's
Thanksgiving is I didn't haveany leftovers, and that's one of
my biggest joys aboutThanksgiving is the next day you
have a turkey sandwich.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I know it's hard, because we were in Seattle area
for Thanksgiving and then wewere going to Coeur d'Alene area
the next day, so we didn't getto stop in and have lunch and
eat leftovers before we head out.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
It's weird that your parents didn't have any.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Well, they didn't do traditional Thanksgiving because
it was just them, and then mysister came over so they did
ribeye steaks and stuff insteadof traditional Thanksgiving.
So we did eat their artichokedip.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, I'd been really really good at home about
eating very clean, where I waslike, oh, I'm not really doing
breads or processed sugars orthings like that, and then we
went on this trip and it allwent out the window.
It was a bummer.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I didn't have to figure that one out.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
OK, so what did you watch this week?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, I watched a little bit of football.
We watched a game, a bit of agame, of the Vikings versus the
Bears.
So Chicago versus Minnesota.
I feel like I was kind ofrooting for Minnesota because I
got family there.
They did not win, but it was aclose game, really close game.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, I watched a movie last night.
I didn't watch much while wewere gone because we were
sharing hotel rooms or likerooms with the baby and you
can't have the TV on while he'ssleeping.
So last night, once we got home, I watched Otherhood, which was
a movie with Angela Bassett,Flissie Hoffman and Patricia
Arquette, and it was kind oflike what you would call a
(04:00):
mom-com.
Mom-com Because it was like acomedy about moms.
For sure I enjoyed it.
I actually like it when theyhave more middle-aged actresses
than the mom-coms, than a bunchof women that are like 22 or 23,
like, oh, we're cool moms.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
I know I feel like the older I get, the more I'm
like I think millennials arehaving kids later.
They are the most part, and alot of XR as well.
But they probably will startreflecting that trend in movies
too, because I know that moviesfor a while were reflecting
really, really young moms.
(04:37):
Juno came out, she was asurrogate and she was like 15 or
something, right.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yeah, she was supposed to be what like a 6, 5,
16?
.
Yeah, in high school Like asophomore yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
So it's kind of like that was probably more common in
the 70s.
My mom had kids.
I mean Juno didn't take placein the 70s, but no, but it's
kind of like that nostalgicthing for those people that grew
up during that time and hadkids.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, because the people who wrote it were
obviously a little bit older,right.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Right.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
So, yeah, that's something I hadn't really
thought about.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
So I'm thinking that it's going to reflect.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Where you're going to start seeing like oh, the moms
in movies who have toddlers arenow going to be in their 30s.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah, I read an article today.
They're talking aboutbillionaires and a lot of
billionaires are dying, butthey're passing on their wealth
to their kids, so there's morebillionaires being created,
because if you have two kids andyou split your billionaire
money, then now you have double,yeah, two billionaires, as long
(05:46):
as you had enough wealth tomake both of them billionaires.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
But the thing is that even if you split half a
billion dollars between two kids, it's very easy to grow that
much wealth.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, yeah, think about it.
All you have to do is invest inone thing the doubles.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, and I mean interest.
You would be just occurringjust so much money every year,
yeah, Be crazy.
Um, yeah, I literally had notthought about the fact that,
like older moms, will bereflected in media at some point
in time sociology.
There is that new Netflix.
(06:22):
I think it's a movie called olddads and it's like, isn't it
bill Burr?
And he's supposed to have likea kid in like kindergarten or
first grade or something.
I like bill Burr but it'ssupposed to like reflect the
fact that, like you, also havedads that are older.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
He's probably my second or third favorite Mckay
comedian right now.
Mmm, I Think he's a littlecross sometimes and a little
people think he's like kind ofhard to swallow, but for the
most part I think he's reallyfunny.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
So that leads into what I've been listening to this
week.
Oh yeah, because you know wewere in the car.
We listen to some music, welisten to some radio and then we
listen to just like an hourhour and a half a stand-up from
Steve Rana ZC.
Okay who I had not heard beforeat all.
I had never listened to hiscomedy, but Spotify had
recommended it to me when Ilooked at comedy and I was like,
(07:12):
okay.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
So I've never been on Spotify, but I did just get a
free trial Try it out, so I'vebeen listening to some
Electronic music.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah, it drives, me crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
And so I'm exploring the different subgenres of like
electronics.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Are there subgenres?
Yeah, which ones are you reallyfeeling right now?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I don't know, I'm just learning.
Just recently I like, forinstance, I've got this guy I
was listening to you called DaveAngel.
Mm-hmm and I got to his musicfrom Joey Beltram and I got to
his music from you like, it's arow bones and Frankie bones is,
(07:55):
I guess, a, an older guy who'sbeen doing it for a while, and I
can't remember the name of thissubclass now that I think about
it.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
But you're, you've just been delving into a lot of
like EDM.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yeah, I guess there's tribal electronic music that I
Haven't tried listening to yet,so I'm gonna try that.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Okay, cool.
So what I've been playing?
I used to play this game called2048.
That was like an app game whereyou match numbers to make
bigger numbers, and I'dcompletely forgotten about it.
And then at Thanksgiving,andrew Zandt was playing it and
I was like, oh my gosh, I forgotabout that game.
So I redownloaded that and I'vebeen playing that a lot.
It's kind of like meditative.
Okay, yeah you can like almostzone out and do it and it's like
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it's nice, it's a relaxing game.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I've been playing that online passive game torn.
It's like a crime.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, I was gonna ask if that was your like mafia
mobster game.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's like a mobster game, but I tried not to do bad
stuff in the game if I can andobviously you have to like fight
people or whatever but For meI'm just a spray painter Like
it's.
That's bad.
But not as bad it's like uhyeah, and I kind of look at it
like the better I get at spraypainting stuff, I'm like it's
kind of like art, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Within a game.
Yeah, graffiti art, okay.
So then what I've been reading?
I've been reading a little bitmore of Harry Potter and the
prisoner of Azkaban, but becauseof our trip, I've obviously
read a lot less than theprevious weeks.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Yeah, I've actually been reading a lot.
I finished up lone wolf and cub.
So, there's like 24 volumes ofthat.
I just went through like thelast 10 really quick and then I
teared out.
I cried at the end.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
I was.
I actually didn't want to tellanyone that, but anyway, it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Andrew was just up until like 4 am Just sobbing
last night.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I was up pretty late and I like the ending.
The last line really got me.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I couldn't help myself.
I did tear, rolled down mycheek.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Well, I was listening to that they thought I was you
which is that Mary, kate andAshley podcast and they were
talking about, because they didlike a multiple part series
about their last movie, thatthey did their direct-to-home
movie and they were like that itgets to the end, like the very,
very end of the movie and likenow that you know that they knew
it was their last movie theywere doing.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Yeah like they're like you like shed a tear at the
end, like because it like wrapsit up, I shed a tear because,
like, and it was a masterpiece,because it was like the last
line made the tear come.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
So I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
I wasn't even sad or anything.
And then, like that last linecame and then I shed a tear and
I was like Wow, you know I lovewhen the last line is like a
punch to the gut.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, that hurt my heart.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Yeah, I was like.
That is really sad, but great,you know.
Yeah, so I then I picked up thegraphic novel called the
boogeyman.
It's a newer graphic novel andit is dark, but the art is
really cool.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
See, I'm gonna have to look it up, just the art.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I probably won't actually read it, but yeah, I've
been like reading some reallydark graphic novels as of late,
or just these two, but I Alsolike to read lighter stuff too,
so if anyone has anyrecommendations?
I?
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Mean Laura Olympus, always a treat that's dark.
It's not dark what Olympus isnot dark the color scheme is
it's?
very bright and vibrant.
She's like hot pink.
Hades is like bright blue.
Okay, they're all very likeBright and vibrant, but also
like, I mean, he is king of theunderworld, yeah, so you get
like a little bit of darkness.
(11:41):
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I think it's poppy, okay.
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We are now ready to talk aboutthat road trip.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
So we basically went up through Ashland no snow.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, there was no snow on a road trip, which is
kind of nice, because our carcan't really handle snow all
that well.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Well, we just have a small car, so if there's a lot
of snow, they're always likechains required and it's a pain
in the butt.
And then we tracked up toPortland.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Are you doing that?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's.
You're tracking upwards.
Okay, do you not like my soundeffects?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
I mean it's fine.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
It's just so.
We went up to Portland, westayed for the night and then we
went to the Columbia EmployeeStore, which was pretty cool.
I typically don't even think tobuy stuff from Columbia because
we live in California where bigjackets and sweaters and stuff
don't make a ton of sense.
But I got this really cool hotpink hoodie that the hood is
(16:38):
like raincoat material.
So I'm like, ooh, so now if itdrizzles or starts to rain while
we're on a walk, I'm protectedfrom the rain.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I know, I feel like that's very California.
You know like, oh, you're justgoing to get a little bit of
rain.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
But it had a thick layer inside, like a heating
layer too, so it's meant forwhen it's colder out.
So it probably actually wouldbe perfect for like Seattle,
where you just like go out andyou get some rain.
At any given time it can rain.
So they also have the othercool brands.
They're like Piranha MountainHardware and Sorrel.
So then we trekked up northagain.
(17:13):
That just drives Andrew crazy,so I keep doing it.
So we went up just north ofSeattle, we went to the zoo
lights.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I know those are so nice.
I was actually very impressedwith the zoo lights.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I know I was worried because they like started at our
baby's bedtime and I was like Idon't know how he's going to
handle it.
He did as well as he possiblycould.
Yeah, Like he was tired, but hewasn't like screaming his head
off or anything, and there wereparts of it that he really
enjoyed.
There was like this room thatwas like a little storage
container that you walked in andthere were lights all up the
(17:47):
walls and the ceilings and youcould touch them.
And like the video of him, hejust has his mouth like wide
open and off.
I think that's just really cute.
But I was impressed with all oftheir lighting Me too and I did
not see a single actual animal.
I'm like I guess they werethere.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
I know.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I don't know if it was actually that type of
entertainment.
Well, the Woodland Park Zoo hasanimals.
It was just nighttime, so theywere probably all like scrolled
away in their sleeping quarters.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, it wasn't really like animal time.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
No.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It was like a light show.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
But it's like weird because you think you would like
walk by like the reptilesection or something and see
like tanks of snakes or whatever.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
But I actually missed there was a spider section but
the kid was losing his mind so Imissed like a large chunk of
that.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
Well, it wasn't that he was losing his mind.
He like was a little bit fussy,but he smelled so stinky and
we're like, okay, we got to gochange him.
So we went to go change him andhe wasn't even dirty and I was
like, come on, kid.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Well, I don't feel that bad because it's like, or I
feel bad because he's like upat nine o'clock at night, you
know.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Well, we finally got back to the hotel about nine
when he started losing.
It was probably like seven,seven thirty, which was, you
know, an hour hour and a halfpast his bedtime.
So I get it.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
And it was dark out and cold and cold.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, so that was a lot of fun.
The next day we hadThanksgiving.
What was your favoriteThanksgiving dish this year?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah, I really liked the sweet potatoes.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I don't really eat that much mashed potatoes, but
during the holidays I eat a lotof mashed potatoes.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
I love mashed potatoes.
The stuffing was also prettygreat, yeah, okay.
So then the next day we got upearly, we did a walk around
Green Lake Park in Seattle andthen we went out to the
Cortelana area, which, once wegot there, we basically just
passed out.
And then the next day we wentto a hockey game and it was like
my first hockey game ever and Ihave to say I don't think I'm a
(19:49):
hockey person.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah, I thought it was fun.
It's not like something I'dfollow.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah, it's one of those things where you're like,
okay, we went once, that waslike a cool experience, like I
kind of get the game.
Now I just don't like cheeringpeople on for like punching each
other.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
Maybe if you lived up there you'd feel differently
about it.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Like if, like it was like a local community thing and
you're like, yes, these are ourboys, this is our community.
But it was weird because, likemost of the team, it was like
the Spokane Chiefs, but most ofthem are from Canada, like all
over in Canada or Sweden, soit's not like they were really
local to the area either.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Well, it is a Canadian league right.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, yeah, that is true.
So we like visited with my moma couple of days, then we went
down to Walla Walla for thenight and then down to Bend.
Now we are finally back home.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
Kind of a long trip, 11 days.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, and then someone stole my 1989 Taylor
Swift cardigan off our porch.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Just brooding about that.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I am brooding about it.
I'm like I thought we were inlike a really like in a
neighborhood where I trustedpeople, but the thing is it
could have been someone drivingby who was like checking
people's porches, knowing theywere going to be out of town for
Thanksgiving, but all of ourother packages were there.
So they like purposely took myTaylor Swift cardigan.
They probably saw Taylor Swiftstore and were like yes, Maybe,
(21:13):
yeah, so that's our trip.
Now you can bring us down, down, down with some US policy.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
I don't know why you got to set me up like that.
It doesn't have to be that bad.
I was just going to talk aboutthe public debt or the
government debt that we have.
I just read a couple of factsabout it and some opinions, and
a lot of people seem to thinkit's not a government debt issue
, it's a public debt issue andit has to do with reckless
(21:44):
deficit spending and ballooningpublic debt.
So like inflation is not greatfor debt.
And then the narrative that thegovernment spends is public
sectors shouldn't have to makeresponsible budget cuts or
decisions, and they're like wedon't need to be responsible.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And they also say spending must continue
indefinitely.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
So they're like not only are we not going to cut
these useless things that wehave going on, that we should
never set out, we're just goingto continue spending more and
more and more and getting moredebt.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
But I know Andrew was saying 15% of taxpayer money
goes just to pay the interest onthe national debt.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Yeah, so our debt is so staggering right now that we
have to spend $8 billion $808billion to maintain the total
federal debt.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Because that's how much we owe in interest each
year.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
And that's 15% of the total federal spending.
And that's just to pay theinterest on the debt that the
trillions of dollars we owe.
Also, another thing to takenote of is Biden has been
increasing the debt by trillions.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
And our taxes just keep going up and up and up too.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Right.
And inflation, yeah.
So it's kind of like this weirdplace and there's a lot of
people that are saying, well,our dollar runs the world type
of attitude.
And then there was a quote froman article I was reading and it
(23:27):
says all empires believe theircurrency will be eternally
demanded until it's not sobasically, fiscal responsibility
is not being upheld.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Because people are basically like our dollar is
going to be great forever andright now our dollar is valued
in the world.
So it's kind of like this thingbut it won't be forever.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I mean, just look at the pound right, the pound isn't
valued the same way it was evena few years ago.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, and raising debt and then deficit
irresponsibility and thenincrease in interest rates can
lead to currency collapse.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
Well, yeah, we are such on a brink of a massive
recession because of like.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And our debt's insurmountable right now.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Well, and didn't he just ask for $600 billion to
give for more weapons for Israeland Ukraine?
Why are we spending close to15% of our spending to send
weapons in, like something thatwe shouldn't be?
Why are we supplying weapons toIsrael?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Well, yeah, and then when we do stuff like that, when
you push the limits of thefiscal responsibility it can, it
leads to more taxes, lessgrowth within your own country
and inflation, future inflation.
So it's like when you give,it's nice to give, but not at
(24:58):
the detriment of your owncountry, you know like such a
bummer, because I like reallyliked Biden when he was running.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I was like, oh Biden, love Biden.
He's just like a cozy old man.
And now I'm like dude, likeeverything he does.
I've gotten to the point whereI'm just frustrated by every
single thing he does.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah.
So the fallacy is that you knowreducing deficit would lead to
global monetary meltdown becausewe wouldn't be giving to as
much money or, you know, payingas much out, which is a fallacy,
and the correction on thatfallacy would the world doesn't
run out of money if the UScorrects its imbalances.
(25:40):
Like they don't just run out ofmoney because the US is
correcting how much moneythey're spending.
You know what I mean?
Like we still are going to bespending a lot of money on
foreign aid or whatever.
We're just going to tighten ourbelts a little bit to try to
get our debt down, and I justdon't see like that really being
(26:00):
focused on in our politics atall.
I don't see anyone talkingabout that.
Biden just did a, and the reasonthis is a current topic is
because he just did a 45 daylike cushion if the government
shuts down.
So he like put like 45 daysworth of money aside so that if
(26:22):
they just they can't figure itout and they have to shut the
government down.
The thing I have to say aboutthe shutting the government down
is they've shut the governmentdown in the past recent 2021.
And our economy actually was inwent up 2.25%.
They're saying that the economycould get like people are
(26:46):
speculating that if they shutthe government down, we could go
down 0.5 or 0.05 or somethinglike that like a miniscule
amount.
But in the past we've shownthat our economy can continue to
grow even when the governmentshut down.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, because they're not spending as much, right?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
So when they make this big deal about the
government shutting down.
It doesn't even affect theeconomy, and this kind of leads
into another issue I have, whichis they're again attacking
privacy on the internet.
So Lindsey Graham and ElizabethWarren are working together on
(27:24):
a digital censorship bill rightyeah a censorship act, I think.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Which, like I, hate the idea of censorship in any
place.
Like internet, not internetlike schools, like why are we
censoring crap?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, and also they're trying to push a bill
where they would have a lot ofauthority over, like bandwidth
companies, and so they're tryingto control the bandwidth
because they are saying thatbandwidth companies are
discriminating on age, gender,wealth.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Okay, I don't think it's that at all.
I think it's like if you pay$15 for a plan, you're going to
get the amount of bandwidth youpay for.
If you're paying $500 a monthfor, a plan you're obviously
going to be getting morebandwidth.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
And that's not discriminating against people
that are poor or female or maleor old or whatever.
It is just the plan they chose.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Government meddling is what it is.
Yeah, and that's not how theAmerican markets ran.
We're supposed to be freemarket, right?
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So, like.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
The government's not supposed to be meddling unless
there is, unless there istravesty happening, like you
know they're hurting people orpeople are being forced into
poverty Then the governmentshould step in and say that's
against the law.
But they shouldn't beinterfering with free market
(28:52):
because the competition's there,right.
Like if somebody overchargesfor broadband or internet,
somebody else will come in andoffer less.
That's how fiber got started.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Well, that's why Starlink is.
Think about phone plans.
Right, you had AT&T Verizon.
All of those that kept likeraising the prices, raising the
prices, raising the prices.
I know people that werespending Government actually
stepped in.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
That's what they're trying to administer with the
internet, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
But what I was saying is like plans were getting up
to like.
I knew people that were payingtwo, three hundred bucks a month
for cell phone service, rightyeah.
But then companies like Visiblecame out and Mobile came out
and they're like oh, we'll giveyou the same service for 25
bucks a month.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, and that's cellular, though that's
different than I know, it'sdifferent than internet and
broadband.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
So the landline, they were kind of doing as well what
I'm saying is that In freemarket, if things get too high,
other companies will come outand offer it for less.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Well, that's the idea .
Right yeah?
Is that you have a fair market.
If the government really wantedto make it more of a fair
market, they wouldn't give somany subsidies to chain
corporations like giganticbusinesses.
Yeah, I agree, Because I feellike Amazon Tesla even Toyota
are getting just they would makethem what's Biden's words?
(30:03):
Pay their fair share.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Mm-hmm, which currently, I feel like the
middle class, is the only peoplepaying their fair share, and
then I feel like they're payingmore than their fair share.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
So that's kind of a crappy place to be.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
So that's kind of a downer, but on a positive note.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Spotify RAPT is out.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Spotify RAPT is out okay.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So, for the average person, Spotify RAPT.
If you don't know, Spotify iswhere they tell you like your
top artists of the year, yourtop songs of the year.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So I finally caved and got Spotify.
He did, but after.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Spotify RAPT came out , so you don't get Spotify RAPT.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Really.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Well, because, okay.
So Spotify RAPT actually onlylooks at analytics from January
through October, so November andDecember aren't included, which
, when I was looking at ourpodcast like stats, I was like,
oh, this is so cool.
Like 16.6,000 people were intheir top 10 podcasts that they
listened to this year.
That's really fun.
(31:03):
But then I was sitting thereand then I realized that it only
covered through October and weonly added our podcast back on
Spotify at the end of August, sothat's only in a month and a
half 16.6,000 people.
Like go, you guys made like wemade that many people's top 10
just in that short period oftime and I was like dang.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yes, get us on the charts.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
I mean, we're pretty much always on some charts
somewhere.
That's nice.
I've been with Apple.
I've been actually playingaround with our genre a lot
because I feel like we kind offit into multiple genres but you
have to pick like one maingenre.
So I'll be like are we newscommentary?
Are we daily news?
Are we entertainment news?
Are we society and culture?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I know all those things I kind of mess around
with it just a little bit.
So what's your last topic?
Speaker 1 (31:53):
I mean, that was it.
Oh, spotify RAPT.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Nice.
Let's wrap this episode up,then, because we are out of time
.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
But do you want to guess who was at the top of my
Spotify RAPT?
Speaker 2 (32:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
For my music.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Uh what.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
You don't want to guess.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
No.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Oh gosh, every single day.
Lindsay says that name at leastthree times a day, but you know
what?
Speaker 1 (32:15):
I looked at my last FM and had it been looking at my
analytics from Apple Music, mynumber one artist of the year
would have been Slumberkins.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
So um, that's, right.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
For you being Wren's number one.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, but it was on my account, so that's what it
would have popped up as, had Iused the same music service all
year.
I was like that feels aboutright.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
And then in sync, I think would have been in his top
five too.
But yeah, there we are.
So now we are heading into thebest month of the year my
birthday month, and Christmas,okay and New Year's.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
That's very objective .
Speaker 1 (32:55):
It's a great month.
We're excited, so be sure tocheck in with us next week for
another episode of wine 30.
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