March 25, 2024 • 34 mins
On the podcast anniversary of Samantha joining the show with our mini-series on trauma, we take a look back out how it came about and how it impacted us.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stefan
never told you a production of iHeartRadio. And today we
thought we would do a look back on when Samantha
and I first got our start, our anniversary, our podiversary
(00:28):
as you.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Really pod podcast of oursary podcast and it's more difficult, Okay, perfect.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That sounds about that's our evolution. No, but yeah, March
twenty seconds was depending on when your listening, well it was,
it happened in the past. Oh my gosh. It was
the anniversary of our endeavor together as our coach are
together on this podcast. We launched in twenty nineteen, and
(00:58):
I just thought we would take a look look back
at that and see how things have changed, how we
feel about it. A brief content warning because when we
both started, we came out the gates strong with the
mini series on Trauma. It was a thirteen episode mini series.
I don't think we're gonna go too in depth into anything,
but you never know. It will be talked about at
(01:21):
least yes, but yeah, I know we've told this story before,
but very briefly after Bridget left there was a period
where I was just having guest co host all the time,
and we were looking for a new host. We had
like of spreadsheets of people we were asking, and I
(01:43):
believe that it just so happened. I came to a
cheese night, a cheese and wine night at your place,
and it just sort of came up, like maybe because
I was you were doing your thing where you were
asking me questions and I was like, oh, I've had
this drama in my life. It just sort of came up,
like where do we go to talk about that?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yes, and I know if you want to explain. I
know you've talked about it before, but you've told the
listeners before. But you were good friends are good friends
with previous host Caroline? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, so I definitely. Again, this is one of those
things when you go to a college around the same
year you realize you have a lot more in common
and then like people crossover and it becomes a small
world essentially, because I actually knew Kristin as well previously,
because her older sister and I are very close and
we met at Uga University of Georgia, so we kind
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of met through that avenue and that was kind of like, oh,
she's a secondary friend of mine essentially because sister of
my good friend who she's gonna come and we're gonna
go see lay this this year. I'm really excited because
we love those we love that musical anyway, Anna, and
are so excited. But and on the other end, I
met Caroline. I'm through friend of a friend who I
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had known for a while that because of Uga, like
we actually had same friend group in Athens, which is
where Uga is. And then we came to Atlanta and
we all started hanging out because again, you know, you
leave college and how do you make friends. You have
to reconnect. And I met Caroline, and from I think
our first interaction, which was was like this was when
(03:23):
I was actually sociable and cute and I'm like, oh,
let's be friends whatever whatnot. And I realized that she
was working with Kristen and so I was like, oh
my god, you know, small world, let's be friends. And
from then on, I met you through her, which the
first time we met was at her she had just
finished her book unladylike at the time, and she had
(03:44):
literally kind of just holed away and I had not
seen her, and she decided to have a giant celebration
two because she was actually finished and I met you
and Sarah and I met y'all at the same time,
and then we started hanging out slowly. I'm trying to
remember how you ended up getting invited to my cheese night, Like,
I'm sure I invited you, but I can't remember the beforehand.
(04:05):
What's that beforehand?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, okay, first of all, I remember meeting you because
you did the thing that I complained about with people
with dogs, where you were like I have to go
because yes, And it was like right outside, I was like,
you haven't bit here that long.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yes, I was making a quick escape because my like
introvert self was creeping and like overtaking that I need friends.
But at that age, I think what was I I
was like, right, thirty five? How long ago was this?
It was five six years ago?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Who'd been like, yeah, twenty seventeen, maybe.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Twenty seventeen, So I was thirty seven, so I was
getting late thirties at this point, and I was like, yeah,
I'm done. I will be here for a second. There's
a lot of people I don't know, and there was
tons of people that I did not know very well,
and I'm like, I am liking this lesson less so
I will stay here to celebrate with you for a
good hour and a half, because you also came in lait, miss,
so don't even start with me. You and Sarah came
(05:11):
in late because y'all are late people and I'm an
on time person. So after a couple hours, like, I'm
gone bye. I got a dog's take care of and
I think i'd already my friend's already know I'll find
an excuse, and I love my dog, so let's go.
So I left and I didn't interact with you very
long at that point. I remember Caroline had pointed you
(05:31):
out and said, you really should. I wish you would
have been able to hang out to get to know them.
They had gotten there late, and I believe y'all come
from a different location of having a good time.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, the way it happened for me, this is absolutely true,
and it's gonna sound like a lie. I was walking
home from our office, and yes, our coworker friend Sarah,
she just passed by me on the street and stopped
and yelled get in the car, and I did. But
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I had no idea what was happening. So I did
not come from any good times. I was coming from
work and I didn't even know we were going to
this until Sarah explained it.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
That's hilarious. That's about right, because I didn't know that part.
Like all these things happen, I'm trying to still remember
in between that and the Cheese Night, because it was
definitely like, I know, y'all came to the brewery and
we got to really like you were very quick to
be like, hey, we're the We're the Sad Dad Club essentially.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And we were all hanging out.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, we were all hanging out at the brewery on
Father's Day. I was working and you two came in
and then that like led to other things including y'all
getting a brewery tour, having Savor come to that as well,
so so many things, but I don't remember from where
how we got to that to being at the Cheese
Night where like making you bear your soul to me
(07:02):
essentially because I get to know people.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean making me is pretty stung. But you
definitely were like if you would like and I was like,
I guess I would. I think what it was a
it was a bunch of things happened where we would
run into each other. I think the Savor video thing,
I'd forgotten about that where the other podcast on Savor
(07:26):
we did a kind of video at the brewery Samantha
worked out at the time, And we also had a
couple of other events where we were both there in
some of your friends that I didn't really know at
the time. Didn't we get you were there when we
went to Southern Comfort, right, yes?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And I forgot you were there because Dominique, a good
friend of mine, also was there and she had actually
had pictures of you, and I was like, I forgot,
I had forgotten all of this. And it was a
good time. We had a great time. I remember there
was another night where it wasn't such a good time
because it was chaos. It was chaos. So we had
a couple of nights, yes, we did. So. Southern Comfort
is an Atlanta establishment that has now gone unfortunately that
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essentially is a truck stop that turns into a hipster
karaoke night on Wednesdays, So I mean on Wednesdays on
Sundays oddly enough, and we when I was actually cool
and hung out outside of my house, we would actually go.
But yeah, it's been we had so many hangouts. Like
everything is blurred, Everything is blurred, and then it came
(08:29):
to that night of me having because I loved having
cheese nights at my apartment, having a bunch of people
over and just having a good night, and you stayed
later than everyone. Callen was there too at one point,
and then she left.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah yeah, uh.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And then you and I just sat and talked about
what was happening, you being a part of the podcast,
what that looked like, because I actually was it. Oh yeah,
I guess I had met you previously in between all this,
when you had started with Bridget Yeah yeah, and Caroline yes,
in Atlanta, and I forgot all of this, but like
(09:04):
it was previously before, way before, I guess, a year before,
two years before, so we must have been hanging out
for a good minute after the fact. And then we
just started talking about what you'd experienced, the job that
I have, what I've experienced, and then we talked about,
you know, the me too movement, and I think I
had already been reading on Twitter where people were getting
(09:25):
annoyed by the word trigger trigger warning, and I was
like that, so, like, I get people not liking catchphrases
essentially or things that are overused, but this is actually
necessary and I think should have been something from the jump,
because we talked about like TV ratings and music readings
(09:48):
and how that came about eventually, but like having that
conversation of what that looks like and trying to talk about,
let's talk about something that's really important to you and
to me as well, is the fact that this is
something that I can walk with you in your trauma
process and we can do this as being a transparent
(10:11):
duo in a way that I can be your support
as a social work friend, so I know this route
as well as talk about my own stuff and then
just explore what that looks like on a deeper meaning.
And that was essentially it. I think at this point
is when I was like, and also, I'm crying every
day from my work. Let me see if I can
find something less traumatic.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And so we met up at a local restaurant and
we came up with an outline of episodes we wanted
to do. It quickly ballooned into more than that, but
we decided, Okay, we're going to do this mini series
on trauma, and and we were very looking back at it,
(11:11):
I do think we were very good at being like, Okay,
this is going to be really difficult for us, and
so we had things in there that we don't do
anymore but were important for that mini series of like
checking in what are you doing to take care of yourself?
They were very intensive episodes in terms of the interviews
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we did and then the way we would make the outline.
We would get a transcript and then we would search
for quotes, and so I know you did, but I
was looking back over the outlines and they were pretty intensive, right.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I remember thinking like as I was going through the outline,
seeing all the different subjects that we had and the
conversations that we had with different people, which I'm like, man,
we had some really great guests. Yeah, and then I'm like,
we have to replay these because these were so good, Like,
these were so good, I think we should be replayed
every two years. But I've been through. I was like yeah.
And that was when Andrew was our producer at the time.
(12:11):
Poor dude. I'm like, are you okay? Are you hearing
our stories? Are you traumatized for us? Okay? Great with us,
rather but like going through those transcripts and bring it
to us and be like, Okay, here it is. This
is what it looks like. W how do you want
to do this? And being really like open to everything,
we asked like everything we went needed to do with
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the bonus episodes because it is a lot of work
and it was extra for him with those interviews pasting
back and forth because we were like, we want this here,
we want this here, which now our interviews are a
little different because we just do it directly and go
along with it. Right those trauma episodes, we definitely had
such a plan that we wanted to make sure that
everything was highlighted and nothing was watered down. So we
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took all those things that we thought were really significant
into those conversations. But then we would try to come
back with some of those interviews again. Like my favorite
still is that bonus episode did with Renee and Rebecca,
and we spliced the two interviews so you could hear
the personal experience with the research and data. I think
it's still one of our best episodes and we barely
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talked in it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And I used that a lot in our book. Yeah,
I referred back to it so that that episode sticks
up to me too.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, And I think that's something that I think it
was so important because not only was Rebecca willing to
share her experience which many women, many victims rather and
survivors have had, but also having Renee who had done
all the work and research about the backlog of rape
kits and coming in being like, yeah, this is verified.
(13:46):
This is absolutely what is happening in the system, and
not much has changed over five years. Nothing has really changed,
And I think that was something that was important to us.
Our transparency with the therapy session, which actually I feel
like that was a catalyst to what I'm like, we
need to do this to do because we wanted to
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normalize trauma therapy. We wanted to open and not that
you don't need therapy for everything, you should have therapy
for everything, but having a conversation because one of the
first things you had told me was that you had
done therapy once it was so traumatic that you could
not do it again. Like you're like, I'd have to
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be in a good place. I do think I need it,
but these are the things that I can't do, and
me sitting here going like, oh my god, let's talk
about this because this is You're not the only one,
and this is what this looks like, and we need
to have that depth of conversation of why it's important
to have a good therapist, and we made sure to
have that as part of our episode, as well as
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the fact that I did the research on finding doctor
Coleman and her specialty as well as her availability. And
I think she did an amazing I really really did
like her. When I stopped doing therapy, I wanted to
come back to her, but she was overbooked. I was like,
of course she is. She just she's just good and
she works a lot with trauma and survivors, and I
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thought that was so important. And also she works with
the queer community as well as a lot of marginalized communities.
And it was not all these things that were like, yeah,
this is the requirement, let's let's have this on top
of the fact that therapy has kind of has changed,
like that was the beginning of telehealth. Yeah, honestly, like
at the forefront of it, I think better help was coming,
(15:35):
but it wasn't accessible to everyone. And not that we're
not that's not an ad, that's not a sponsor. We
know there's a lot of problems with it. You need
to be very very careful of who you pick and
choose for your therapy, and you need to be able
to shop around, like that's a worldwide truth when it
comes to therapists in general, and you have to find
someone who was specialized for you. But all of that
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to say is that that's one of the things that
we wanted to talk about, how to find a good
thing therapist, what it looks like to have good therapy,
and the fact that sometimes you just get stuck, and
not all of it's going to be emotional. Some of
it is emotional. I think both of ours were emotional
for two different reasons, but we wanted to also be
the example and what that therapy session may look like.
(16:19):
And doctor Coleman was a trooper. I swear like she
was like, let's go, and she she was making sure
that we were okay throughout the process as well, and
I love that. But I think that honestly was the
beginning of like, Okay, you've been through this trauma thing,
this was your response, and this is where we are,
and this is how we're talking about it as a society.
Let's break this down a little bit. I don't think
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it was like from my job, my introduction to podcasts.
I felt comfortable in that it was at least in
my field right. I don't think I could have come
in talking about religious trauma, because that's a whole different conversation,
you know, like coming in and having that kind of
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break down and having a moment to be like, Okay, yes,
this is something I know. This is something that I've seen.
And I can talk to you about grooming as a
professional because I've seen it. I can tell you what
it looks like. I've experienced that you've experienced it. But
let's talk about the professional level. Let's talk about c
SEC or the commercially sexually explorted children and what that
looks like. And we need to have this better view
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of trafficking because this and I hate the word romanticizing,
but it is kind of a romanticizing of what sex
trafficking looks like today and the fact that we need
like no, no, no, no, no, we need to have a
true breakdown of what this looks like because it's an
intersectional issue that people don't want to see. People just
see victims. Oh no, help the victims. And it's all
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poor white children, poor white women who just got kidnapped.
And that's like sometimes that happens, sure, but that's the
majority of the case. And this is an intersectional issue,
which oftentimes is like dropped by the justice system because
they of that one type and do not believe any
other types exist, which is a problem. So all these
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things were like, these are so important, let's just build
on it. So I got so excited because these are
things that I have dealt with but didn't have a
platform to talk about or talk through. So I feel
like that was a good introduction, a heavy introduction, but
good for me, especially as I was like stepping away
from actual practice into like this medium, which was and
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I think I joked about this before because Caroline a
long time ago, and I sat on her patio. I
was crying it on her patio because I was distraught
because a I was making thirty two thousand, No, at
that point, there was maybe twenty nine thousand a year
living in Atlanta and not knowing how to move on
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from all the debt that I had trying to do
social work, as well as the fact that I could
not imagine anything else because I had that guilt that
I had to help everyone, help the children, help the marginalized.
I have to help them, and that meant sacrificing my
mental health, my physical health. So all of that and
(19:14):
sitting there and she kind of was like, you want
to do podcasting? And I was like, no, oh my god,
I could never. Like I actually said that to her
jump cut to cut too, like literally five years later,
I'm like, yeah, I think I do. Actually, I'll just
take yours s takes. I'm just kidding, but like having
this conversation because I could not imagine what that looked like,
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being an advocate without sacrificing my physical and mental well being,
and then coming to that, to being introduced into a platform,
to this platform and being able to talk about and
correct misinformation, hopefully correct some disinformation, and then also bring
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awareness to this with you, like with you having me
having all the facts and the research behind it.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, looking back at it, it's we did. We did
a great job of finding people to talk to. We
had amazing interviews, cutting those interviews together across this thirteen
episode mini series, but also being we gave those facts,
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but we also gave kind of the the emotional part
of it are our own personal part of it. And
one of the reasons why it stands out to me
is that if you're asking, well, why don't you do
that anymore? Is because it took forever, like we started
working on it months before it came out, and when
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you have a show that publishes as much as we do,
that can be impossible. Are very very difficult to do
because at the time we didn't know Samantha was going
to stay on.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So oh, apparently I did because I was pushing real hard.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You did. You kept joking about it, and you know,
I that's not to say I love what we do now,
It's just like the realities of our workload is different.
It's different.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Literally when from two episodes a week to five to
six as well as your one episode would saver two
two yep, everything double tripled since then.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, yeah, and I think, you know, we there are
ways we could maybe do it again in the future.
I'm just it would be difficult. It would be really difficult.
But when I think about this, it also really did
change my life. I mean, not only did I get you, yeah,
but I did. That was kind of my first therapy,
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like actual sticking with therapy for for a long time.
And then there are just so many things things that
I think about that I still think about that I
learned from that from that mini series. There are people
I still think about people that we interviewed that I
still just stuck with me obviously because when I did
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the rape Kit chapter, I referenced it because that was
so that was such a powerful episode to me. And
then we talked about like hiking. I still think about
that interview we did. They're still around, we should be
back in. We should read Jessica. I think she's in
Florida now though, well you know the podcast it back.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Would we still have to play that game with Renee,
I know Suffragetto. Yeah, yes, maybe we'll do a long
running series on something less dramatic and just be games
and we just play them.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I would love that. I would love that. Somehow we
would make it dramatic. I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm really good at that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
We are well anyway. Also, I just want to shout
out before I forget, because we don't say it enough.
But when Christina came on much at later, Christina, you
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have been amazing and valuable. We love you. Every person
we've worked with has been so great and listening. I
remember after I did my therapy thing, Andrew came in
and like sat with me for a minute, like so
very kind. People were lucky to do because these topics
can be really difficult. And I will say one of
the things when I think back now is that I,
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first of all, didn't know I was a sexual yet
when we did this, I think I was starting to
think maybe, but I didn't know that. So that has
really changed. And some of the stuff I talk about
in those like personally have my understanding of them have
shifted because of that. Another thing I will say is that,
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and I know I said this in the Trauma Mini series,
but I some things I like, I'm afraid people had
come from a small town, they would know who I
was talking about, right, And I was kind of living
under this hope no one will find it and no
one will listen to it if they do, which I
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think is sort of showing how I never use social
media but like everyone else does, which is, you know, fine.
But it was when my mom read the book. Actually,
the thing that scared me more than her reading the
book was she would listen to this mini series. So
I think what I talk about in here is I
hate to compare traumas in my life, but I think
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when I talk about and here scarred me way worse.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, And she would.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Be more upset by that, and so after she was like, oh,
I should go listen to your podcast, and I was like,
please don't, please, don't, please don't. So I think that
is one of the things that I'm glad that we
did it. There's nothing I regret, but some nights I
lay awake thinking about it. Right.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I remember having that conversation with you about who's going
to listen and both of us having a moment of like,
oh my god, what if have parents listen? But between
the two of us, your parents are more likely to
listen than mine, your mother specifically, And it was also
before your father's death. I remember thinking that it was
around your father's death, but it wasn't hadn't happened yet,
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so you still had a lot of that trauma lingering
over you as well, and the relationships with some of
your family members were rocky even then. I'm like, I
know it's still constant, but like you've gotten leaps and
bounds into where you were then versus and especially with
like you be able to talk to them, to where
(26:04):
you are today. And again, like part of that was
your sexuality and trying to figure all that out, which
I was learning with you. I was like, oh, I
thought I knew. Apparently I didn't because you I think
you said it to me actually on one day the
couch thing, and I was like, oh, geese nine. I
was like, this is what it is, right, and you
were like, you didn't want to tell me I was wrong.
But after we started, I was like, oh, I was hong, okay, cool, cool.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You're like wow.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And then growing through that because I think you were
trying to figure all of that out, like, and that's
something we talk about in here about coping and good
coping and coming to being the survivor what that looks like,
but trying to decipher what was trauma, what is something
that it's just you, like that's part of your identity,
and you were really having a kind of a come
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to I guess I'm trying to figure out because it
wasn't like dramatic, but understanding that just because there's trauma
related to that doesn't mean it negates that identity. Like
all these things were swirling. I remember with you trying
to get to that point, and like part of that
is also discovering still a lot of that and also
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about the fluidity of it all, which is awesome because
like spectrums are better, you know, in conversations when we
talk about all of that, and then finding identity is
also a gloring thing. It's like it was a whole process,
and I'm glad I got to stick around because I
wouldn't have been able to see that because even though
we were talking, you were still hinting at it in
(27:33):
the Trauma series. It didn't come out till much later
and all like, oh, I'm learning, I've learned a lot,
still learning a lot. I love that and finding that
journey in itself because we did we got to examine
a lot about ourselves, but also being able to be
clinical about it a little bit. Having that data was
(27:54):
a good separation and also like a validation in what
we were trying to feel here out.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I believe one of the people we interviewed called it mesearch.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, yeah, they did, You're right, which is great, which
is a great reference to what we did. And I'm
proud of what we did. I think I'll look at
that series is more of like, yeah, that that defined
us as a show.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I'm proud of it too. And the thing we
joke about it a lot on here, but it's absolutely true.
There's a running joke the podcasters prayers, please don't judge
me for my first fifty episode, which you know sounds
like a lot, But you came in never doing this before,
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and this was what we tackled, and you did a
great job. And I, like, I thought I was worried
I would look back and be proud but still be
like oh, But instead I was like, you know, yeah,
we were still nervous kind of. I don't think you
could really hear it, but I could tell just based
on for me how anxious I was like, because you
(29:05):
never know how someone's going to react to something like
that and what messages you're going to get. And by
the way, you listeners are amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Right, That was the other part of this. It was
like I came in not knowing how to do this,
and I think immediately I was like, I need a
vocal coach and I need to acting coach. Who are
and I still haven't like obvious, But the amount of
people who are criticizing me was so overwhelming, but the
amount of people who were backing me was just conquered
(29:32):
all of that, Like the people who are longtime listeners
who were supporting me then and signing in so excited
you're on, so glad you got to stay. We loved
your portion like that outdid the criticism for the most part.
Like of course I'm still always like the self esteem issues.
But having the listeners, you listeners really backing what we
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were doing and seeing where we were coming from and
understanding and empathizing with what we were trying to show
in a time that felt really really rocky, and it
was Trump era. I mean, it was a rough time
and we were all broken, and we wanted to talk
about something that the reason why things like his presidency,
(30:17):
his actions and his supporters' actions were so traumatic, and
why things like the trauma series, trigger warnings therapy were
so important, and so having people who understood that, Yes,
we lost, we lost some, that's how it happens, but
we gained so much more and the people who had
always stood by us to the people who discovered us
(30:39):
like it was it was. It felt like a victory
and it was so uplifting that it kept us going
and it makes us make keeps us going to have
conversations and honest conversations like this and not feel afraid.
We talked about in cells. Oh my god, I know
a few times.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I know. Yeah, yeah, podcasting can feel really lonely sometimes
just because it's you and me Samantha coming from our
homes over computer and you put it out there and
you're like, I don't know, People like is it good?
If is it worth anything? And I can hear you
(31:19):
saying like you should put some value in your own work,
and I do, but it's nice to have someone else
be like, yes, that's had some value to me, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I mean, but to be honest, when it comes to podcasting,
we're not doing this for us.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, no, exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It can't be that way. If it's that way, of course,
we are selfishly picking things that are of interest to
us or things that that affects us as marginalized people's
and then talking about it because we want to talk
about it because we think it's important bringing people who
have things that they need to say, have things that
they need to share.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Absolutely, But the podcast is like there's ownership by the listeners,
and it should be that way that we want you
to tell us if something is wrong, or if something
is a misinformation, or if something is something that you
feel like you can't find and you need us to
look deeper into it, or if you love it and
you want us talk about it so we can highlight it.
(32:20):
We love that. Like that's the fact of the matter
is it is lonely and sometimes I forget what we
do because I'm like, oh, yeah, this is my job.
But to have the listeners, you our family, essentially the
Smanty family come back with. But these are the things
that are also important to us. That is the bigger picture,
(32:40):
and we have to be a part of that bigger picture.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Absolutely. And yeah, just thank you yeah to everyone who
supported us on that that mini series on Samantha's coming on.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I mean that was a true to us. I'm like,
if you can stick this out, then we're good.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, well, thank you. I'm so glad Samantha this worked.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I know, I'm very grateful. Happy podcast aversary.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Happy podcast diversary to you. We didn't get each other gifts, alas,
there's still.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Time special time. Yeah, technically we have one more day
because today is the twenty first of March.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
As we record. Yes. Well, also I'm not too picky.
If it's close enough, whatever, well, it will work it out.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Technically, you still have a Christmas present for me, right then,
just say that's the anniversary problem.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
No no, no, no, no no no, I would never.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yes, I think we probably will do a playlist of
that Trauma mini series soon. I think that'd be a
good idea, yes, to bring it back. But in the meantime,
Truly listeners, thank you so much. Whether you're Newish Oldish listener,
as a new when you found the podcast, older you've
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been around for a while with the podcast. Either way,
we appreciate you so much. We're happy to have you
and you mean you mean the world to us. So
thank you. If you would like to contact us about anything,
you can our emails stephaniea mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.
You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast,
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book you can get wherever you get your books. Thanks
to always too, our super producer Christina, our executive producer Maya,
and our Concurtor Joey.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Thank you, we love you, We.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Love you so much, and thanks to you for listening
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Hey, this is Anny and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stefan
never told you a production of iHeartRadio. And today we
thought we would do a look back on when Samantha
and I first got our start, our anniversary, our podiversary
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as you.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Really pod podcast of oursary podcast and it's more difficult, Okay, perfect.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
That sounds about that's our evolution. No, but yeah, March
twenty seconds was depending on when your listening, well it was,
it happened in the past. Oh my gosh. It was
the anniversary of our endeavor together as our coach are
together on this podcast. We launched in twenty nineteen, and
(00:58):
I just thought we would take a look look back
at that and see how things have changed, how we
feel about it. A brief content warning because when we
both started, we came out the gates strong with the
mini series on Trauma. It was a thirteen episode mini series.
I don't think we're gonna go too in depth into anything,
but you never know. It will be talked about at
(01:21):
least yes, but yeah, I know we've told this story before,
but very briefly after Bridget left there was a period
where I was just having guest co host all the time,
and we were looking for a new host. We had
like of spreadsheets of people we were asking, and I
(01:43):
believe that it just so happened. I came to a
cheese night, a cheese and wine night at your place,
and it just sort of came up, like maybe because
I was you were doing your thing where you were
asking me questions and I was like, oh, I've had
this drama in my life. It just sort of came up,
like where do we go to talk about that?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yes, and I know if you want to explain. I
know you've talked about it before, but you've told the
listeners before. But you were good friends are good friends
with previous host Caroline? Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Yeah, so I definitely. Again, this is one of those
things when you go to a college around the same
year you realize you have a lot more in common
and then like people crossover and it becomes a small
world essentially, because I actually knew Kristin as well previously,
because her older sister and I are very close and
we met at Uga University of Georgia, so we kind
(02:39):
of met through that avenue and that was kind of like, oh,
she's a secondary friend of mine essentially because sister of
my good friend who she's gonna come and we're gonna
go see lay this this year. I'm really excited because
we love those we love that musical anyway, Anna, and
are so excited. But and on the other end, I
met Caroline. I'm through friend of a friend who I
(03:02):
had known for a while that because of Uga, like
we actually had same friend group in Athens, which is
where Uga is. And then we came to Atlanta and
we all started hanging out because again, you know, you
leave college and how do you make friends. You have
to reconnect. And I met Caroline, and from I think
our first interaction, which was was like this was when
(03:23):
I was actually sociable and cute and I'm like, oh,
let's be friends whatever whatnot. And I realized that she
was working with Kristen and so I was like, oh
my god, you know, small world, let's be friends. And
from then on, I met you through her, which the
first time we met was at her she had just
finished her book unladylike at the time, and she had
(03:44):
literally kind of just holed away and I had not
seen her, and she decided to have a giant celebration
two because she was actually finished and I met you
and Sarah and I met y'all at the same time,
and then we started hanging out slowly. I'm trying to
remember how you ended up getting invited to my cheese night, Like,
I'm sure I invited you, but I can't remember the beforehand.
(04:05):
What's that beforehand?
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Well, okay, first of all, I remember meeting you because
you did the thing that I complained about with people
with dogs, where you were like I have to go
because yes, And it was like right outside, I was like,
you haven't bit here that long.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yes, I was making a quick escape because my like
introvert self was creeping and like overtaking that I need friends.
But at that age, I think what was I I
was like, right, thirty five? How long ago was this?
It was five six years ago?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Who'd been like, yeah, twenty seventeen, maybe.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Twenty seventeen, So I was thirty seven, so I was
getting late thirties at this point, and I was like, yeah,
I'm done. I will be here for a second. There's
a lot of people I don't know, and there was
tons of people that I did not know very well,
and I'm like, I am liking this lesson less so
I will stay here to celebrate with you for a
good hour and a half, because you also came in lait, miss,
so don't even start with me. You and Sarah came
(05:11):
in late because y'all are late people and I'm an
on time person. So after a couple hours, like, I'm
gone bye. I got a dog's take care of and
I think i'd already my friend's already know I'll find
an excuse, and I love my dog, so let's go.
So I left and I didn't interact with you very
long at that point. I remember Caroline had pointed you
(05:31):
out and said, you really should. I wish you would
have been able to hang out to get to know them.
They had gotten there late, and I believe y'all come
from a different location of having a good time.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well, the way it happened for me, this is absolutely true,
and it's gonna sound like a lie. I was walking
home from our office, and yes, our coworker friend Sarah,
she just passed by me on the street and stopped
and yelled get in the car, and I did. But
(06:06):
I had no idea what was happening. So I did
not come from any good times. I was coming from
work and I didn't even know we were going to
this until Sarah explained it.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
That's hilarious. That's about right, because I didn't know that part.
Like all these things happen, I'm trying to still remember
in between that and the Cheese Night, because it was
definitely like, I know, y'all came to the brewery and
we got to really like you were very quick to
be like, hey, we're the We're the Sad Dad Club essentially.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And we were all hanging out.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, we were all hanging out at the brewery on
Father's Day. I was working and you two came in
and then that like led to other things including y'all
getting a brewery tour, having Savor come to that as well,
so so many things, but I don't remember from where
how we got to that to being at the Cheese
Night where like making you bear your soul to me
(07:02):
essentially because I get to know people.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, I mean making me is pretty stung. But you
definitely were like if you would like and I was like,
I guess I would. I think what it was a
it was a bunch of things happened where we would
run into each other. I think the Savor video thing,
I'd forgotten about that where the other podcast on Savor
(07:26):
we did a kind of video at the brewery Samantha
worked out at the time, And we also had a
couple of other events where we were both there in
some of your friends that I didn't really know at
the time. Didn't we get you were there when we
went to Southern Comfort, right, yes?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And I forgot you were there because Dominique, a good
friend of mine, also was there and she had actually
had pictures of you, and I was like, I forgot,
I had forgotten all of this. And it was a
good time. We had a great time. I remember there
was another night where it wasn't such a good time
because it was chaos. It was chaos. So we had
a couple of nights, yes, we did. So. Southern Comfort
is an Atlanta establishment that has now gone unfortunately that
(08:09):
essentially is a truck stop that turns into a hipster
karaoke night on Wednesdays, So I mean on Wednesdays on
Sundays oddly enough, and we when I was actually cool
and hung out outside of my house, we would actually go.
But yeah, it's been we had so many hangouts. Like
everything is blurred, Everything is blurred, and then it came
(08:29):
to that night of me having because I loved having
cheese nights at my apartment, having a bunch of people
over and just having a good night, and you stayed
later than everyone. Callen was there too at one point,
and then she left.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah yeah, uh.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
And then you and I just sat and talked about
what was happening, you being a part of the podcast,
what that looked like, because I actually was it. Oh yeah,
I guess I had met you previously in between all this,
when you had started with Bridget Yeah yeah, and Caroline yes,
in Atlanta, and I forgot all of this, but like
(09:04):
it was previously before, way before, I guess, a year before,
two years before, so we must have been hanging out
for a good minute after the fact. And then we
just started talking about what you'd experienced, the job that
I have, what I've experienced, and then we talked about,
you know, the me too movement, and I think I
had already been reading on Twitter where people were getting
(09:25):
annoyed by the word trigger trigger warning, and I was
like that, so, like, I get people not liking catchphrases
essentially or things that are overused, but this is actually
necessary and I think should have been something from the jump,
because we talked about like TV ratings and music readings
(09:48):
and how that came about eventually, but like having that
conversation of what that looks like and trying to talk about,
let's talk about something that's really important to you and
to me as well, is the fact that this is
something that I can walk with you in your trauma
process and we can do this as being a transparent
(10:11):
duo in a way that I can be your support
as a social work friend, so I know this route
as well as talk about my own stuff and then
just explore what that looks like on a deeper meaning.
And that was essentially it. I think at this point
is when I was like, and also, I'm crying every
day from my work. Let me see if I can
find something less traumatic.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
And so we met up at a local restaurant and
we came up with an outline of episodes we wanted
to do. It quickly ballooned into more than that, but
we decided, Okay, we're going to do this mini series
on trauma, and and we were very looking back at it,
(11:11):
I do think we were very good at being like, Okay,
this is going to be really difficult for us, and
so we had things in there that we don't do
anymore but were important for that mini series of like
checking in what are you doing to take care of yourself?
They were very intensive episodes in terms of the interviews
(11:34):
we did and then the way we would make the outline.
We would get a transcript and then we would search
for quotes, and so I know you did, but I
was looking back over the outlines and they were pretty intensive, right.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I remember thinking like as I was going through the outline,
seeing all the different subjects that we had and the
conversations that we had with different people, which I'm like, man,
we had some really great guests. Yeah, and then I'm like,
we have to replay these because these were so good, Like,
these were so good, I think we should be replayed
every two years. But I've been through. I was like yeah.
And that was when Andrew was our producer at the time.
(12:11):
Poor dude. I'm like, are you okay? Are you hearing
our stories? Are you traumatized for us? Okay? Great with us,
rather but like going through those transcripts and bring it
to us and be like, Okay, here it is. This
is what it looks like. W how do you want
to do this? And being really like open to everything,
we asked like everything we went needed to do with
(12:31):
the bonus episodes because it is a lot of work
and it was extra for him with those interviews pasting
back and forth because we were like, we want this here,
we want this here, which now our interviews are a
little different because we just do it directly and go
along with it. Right those trauma episodes, we definitely had
such a plan that we wanted to make sure that
everything was highlighted and nothing was watered down. So we
(12:55):
took all those things that we thought were really significant
into those conversations. But then we would try to come
back with some of those interviews again. Like my favorite
still is that bonus episode did with Renee and Rebecca,
and we spliced the two interviews so you could hear
the personal experience with the research and data. I think
it's still one of our best episodes and we barely
(13:16):
talked in it.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
And I used that a lot in our book. Yeah,
I referred back to it so that that episode sticks
up to me too.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, And I think that's something that I think it
was so important because not only was Rebecca willing to
share her experience which many women, many victims rather and
survivors have had, but also having Renee who had done
all the work and research about the backlog of rape
kits and coming in being like, yeah, this is verified.
(13:46):
This is absolutely what is happening in the system, and
not much has changed over five years. Nothing has really changed,
And I think that was something that was important to us.
Our transparency with the therapy session, which actually I feel
like that was a catalyst to what I'm like, we
need to do this to do because we wanted to
(14:07):
normalize trauma therapy. We wanted to open and not that
you don't need therapy for everything, you should have therapy
for everything, but having a conversation because one of the
first things you had told me was that you had
done therapy once it was so traumatic that you could
not do it again. Like you're like, I'd have to
(14:28):
be in a good place. I do think I need it,
but these are the things that I can't do, and
me sitting here going like, oh my god, let's talk
about this because this is You're not the only one,
and this is what this looks like, and we need
to have that depth of conversation of why it's important
to have a good therapist, and we made sure to
have that as part of our episode, as well as
(14:51):
the fact that I did the research on finding doctor
Coleman and her specialty as well as her availability. And
I think she did an amazing I really really did
like her. When I stopped doing therapy, I wanted to
come back to her, but she was overbooked. I was like,
of course she is. She just she's just good and
she works a lot with trauma and survivors, and I
(15:14):
thought that was so important. And also she works with
the queer community as well as a lot of marginalized communities.
And it was not all these things that were like, yeah,
this is the requirement, let's let's have this on top
of the fact that therapy has kind of has changed,
like that was the beginning of telehealth. Yeah, honestly, like
at the forefront of it, I think better help was coming,
(15:35):
but it wasn't accessible to everyone. And not that we're
not that's not an ad, that's not a sponsor. We
know there's a lot of problems with it. You need
to be very very careful of who you pick and
choose for your therapy, and you need to be able
to shop around, like that's a worldwide truth when it
comes to therapists in general, and you have to find
someone who was specialized for you. But all of that
(15:56):
to say is that that's one of the things that
we wanted to talk about, how to find a good
thing therapist, what it looks like to have good therapy,
and the fact that sometimes you just get stuck, and
not all of it's going to be emotional. Some of
it is emotional. I think both of ours were emotional
for two different reasons, but we wanted to also be
the example and what that therapy session may look like.
(16:19):
And doctor Coleman was a trooper. I swear like she
was like, let's go, and she she was making sure
that we were okay throughout the process as well, and
I love that. But I think that honestly was the
beginning of like, Okay, you've been through this trauma thing,
this was your response, and this is where we are,
and this is how we're talking about it as a society.
Let's break this down a little bit. I don't think
(16:40):
it was like from my job, my introduction to podcasts.
I felt comfortable in that it was at least in
my field right. I don't think I could have come
in talking about religious trauma, because that's a whole different conversation,
you know, like coming in and having that kind of
(17:00):
break down and having a moment to be like, Okay, yes,
this is something I know. This is something that I've seen.
And I can talk to you about grooming as a
professional because I've seen it. I can tell you what
it looks like. I've experienced that you've experienced it. But
let's talk about the professional level. Let's talk about c
SEC or the commercially sexually explorted children and what that
looks like. And we need to have this better view
(17:22):
of trafficking because this and I hate the word romanticizing,
but it is kind of a romanticizing of what sex
trafficking looks like today and the fact that we need
like no, no, no, no, no, we need to have a
true breakdown of what this looks like because it's an
intersectional issue that people don't want to see. People just
see victims. Oh no, help the victims. And it's all
(17:44):
poor white children, poor white women who just got kidnapped.
And that's like sometimes that happens, sure, but that's the
majority of the case. And this is an intersectional issue,
which oftentimes is like dropped by the justice system because
they of that one type and do not believe any
other types exist, which is a problem. So all these
(18:06):
things were like, these are so important, let's just build
on it. So I got so excited because these are
things that I have dealt with but didn't have a
platform to talk about or talk through. So I feel
like that was a good introduction, a heavy introduction, but
good for me, especially as I was like stepping away
from actual practice into like this medium, which was and
(18:32):
I think I joked about this before because Caroline a
long time ago, and I sat on her patio. I
was crying it on her patio because I was distraught
because a I was making thirty two thousand, No, at
that point, there was maybe twenty nine thousand a year
living in Atlanta and not knowing how to move on
(18:53):
from all the debt that I had trying to do
social work, as well as the fact that I could
not imagine anything else because I had that guilt that
I had to help everyone, help the children, help the marginalized.
I have to help them, and that meant sacrificing my
mental health, my physical health. So all of that and
(19:14):
sitting there and she kind of was like, you want
to do podcasting? And I was like, no, oh my god,
I could never. Like I actually said that to her
jump cut to cut too, like literally five years later,
I'm like, yeah, I think I do. Actually, I'll just
take yours s takes. I'm just kidding, but like having
this conversation because I could not imagine what that looked like,
(19:35):
being an advocate without sacrificing my physical and mental well being,
and then coming to that, to being introduced into a platform,
to this platform and being able to talk about and
correct misinformation, hopefully correct some disinformation, and then also bring
(19:56):
awareness to this with you, like with you having me
having all the facts and the research behind it.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Yeah, looking back at it, it's we did. We did
a great job of finding people to talk to. We
had amazing interviews, cutting those interviews together across this thirteen
episode mini series, but also being we gave those facts,
(20:25):
but we also gave kind of the the emotional part
of it are our own personal part of it. And
one of the reasons why it stands out to me
is that if you're asking, well, why don't you do
that anymore? Is because it took forever, like we started
working on it months before it came out, and when
(20:47):
you have a show that publishes as much as we do,
that can be impossible. Are very very difficult to do
because at the time we didn't know Samantha was going
to stay on.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
So oh, apparently I did because I was pushing real hard.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
You did. You kept joking about it, and you know,
I that's not to say I love what we do now,
It's just like the realities of our workload is different.
It's different.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Literally when from two episodes a week to five to
six as well as your one episode would saver two
two yep, everything double tripled since then.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Yeah, yeah, and I think, you know, we there are
ways we could maybe do it again in the future.
I'm just it would be difficult. It would be really difficult.
But when I think about this, it also really did
change my life. I mean, not only did I get you, yeah,
but I did. That was kind of my first therapy,
(21:53):
like actual sticking with therapy for for a long time.
And then there are just so many things things that
I think about that I still think about that I
learned from that from that mini series. There are people
I still think about people that we interviewed that I
still just stuck with me obviously because when I did
(22:16):
the rape Kit chapter, I referenced it because that was
so that was such a powerful episode to me. And
then we talked about like hiking. I still think about
that interview we did. They're still around, we should be
back in. We should read Jessica. I think she's in
Florida now though, well you know the podcast it back.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Would we still have to play that game with Renee,
I know Suffragetto. Yeah, yes, maybe we'll do a long
running series on something less dramatic and just be games
and we just play them.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
I would love that. I would love that. Somehow we
would make it dramatic. I don't know how.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm really good at that.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
We are well anyway. Also, I just want to shout
out before I forget, because we don't say it enough.
But when Christina came on much at later, Christina, you
(23:26):
have been amazing and valuable. We love you. Every person
we've worked with has been so great and listening. I
remember after I did my therapy thing, Andrew came in
and like sat with me for a minute, like so
very kind. People were lucky to do because these topics
can be really difficult. And I will say one of
the things when I think back now is that I,
(23:52):
first of all, didn't know I was a sexual yet
when we did this, I think I was starting to
think maybe, but I didn't know that. So that has
really changed. And some of the stuff I talk about
in those like personally have my understanding of them have
shifted because of that. Another thing I will say is that,
(24:16):
and I know I said this in the Trauma Mini series,
but I some things I like, I'm afraid people had
come from a small town, they would know who I
was talking about, right, And I was kind of living
under this hope no one will find it and no
one will listen to it if they do, which I
(24:37):
think is sort of showing how I never use social
media but like everyone else does, which is, you know, fine.
But it was when my mom read the book. Actually,
the thing that scared me more than her reading the
book was she would listen to this mini series. So
I think what I talk about in here is I
hate to compare traumas in my life, but I think
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when I talk about and here scarred me way worse.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Yeah, And she would.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Be more upset by that, and so after she was like, oh,
I should go listen to your podcast, and I was like,
please don't, please, don't, please don't. So I think that
is one of the things that I'm glad that we
did it. There's nothing I regret, but some nights I
lay awake thinking about it. Right.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I remember having that conversation with you about who's going
to listen and both of us having a moment of like,
oh my god, what if have parents listen? But between
the two of us, your parents are more likely to
listen than mine, your mother specifically, And it was also
before your father's death. I remember thinking that it was
around your father's death, but it wasn't hadn't happened yet,
(25:42):
so you still had a lot of that trauma lingering
over you as well, and the relationships with some of
your family members were rocky even then. I'm like, I
know it's still constant, but like you've gotten leaps and
bounds into where you were then versus and especially with
like you be able to talk to them, to where
(26:04):
you are today. And again, like part of that was
your sexuality and trying to figure all that out, which
I was learning with you. I was like, oh, I
thought I knew. Apparently I didn't because you I think
you said it to me actually on one day the
couch thing, and I was like, oh, geese nine. I
was like, this is what it is, right, and you
were like, you didn't want to tell me I was wrong.
But after we started, I was like, oh, I was hong, okay, cool, cool.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
You're like wow.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
And then growing through that because I think you were
trying to figure all of that out, like, and that's
something we talk about in here about coping and good
coping and coming to being the survivor what that looks like,
but trying to decipher what was trauma, what is something
that it's just you, like that's part of your identity,
and you were really having a kind of a come
(26:51):
to I guess I'm trying to figure out because it
wasn't like dramatic, but understanding that just because there's trauma
related to that doesn't mean it negates that identity. Like
all these things were swirling. I remember with you trying
to get to that point, and like part of that
is also discovering still a lot of that and also
(27:13):
about the fluidity of it all, which is awesome because
like spectrums are better, you know, in conversations when we
talk about all of that, and then finding identity is
also a gloring thing. It's like it was a whole process,
and I'm glad I got to stick around because I
wouldn't have been able to see that because even though
we were talking, you were still hinting at it in
(27:33):
the Trauma series. It didn't come out till much later
and all like, oh, I'm learning, I've learned a lot,
still learning a lot. I love that and finding that
journey in itself because we did we got to examine
a lot about ourselves, but also being able to be
clinical about it a little bit. Having that data was
(27:54):
a good separation and also like a validation in what
we were trying to feel here out.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I believe one of the people we interviewed called it mesearch.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, yeah, they did, You're right, which is great, which
is a great reference to what we did. And I'm
proud of what we did. I think I'll look at
that series is more of like, yeah, that that defined
us as a show.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, I'm proud of it too. And the thing we
joke about it a lot on here, but it's absolutely true.
There's a running joke the podcasters prayers, please don't judge
me for my first fifty episode, which you know sounds
like a lot, But you came in never doing this before,
(28:41):
and this was what we tackled, and you did a
great job. And I, like, I thought I was worried
I would look back and be proud but still be
like oh, But instead I was like, you know, yeah,
we were still nervous kind of. I don't think you
could really hear it, but I could tell just based
on for me how anxious I was like, because you
(29:05):
never know how someone's going to react to something like
that and what messages you're going to get. And by
the way, you listeners are amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Right, That was the other part of this. It was
like I came in not knowing how to do this,
and I think immediately I was like, I need a
vocal coach and I need to acting coach. Who are
and I still haven't like obvious, But the amount of
people who are criticizing me was so overwhelming, but the
amount of people who were backing me was just conquered
(29:32):
all of that, Like the people who are longtime listeners
who were supporting me then and signing in so excited
you're on, so glad you got to stay. We loved
your portion like that outdid the criticism for the most part.
Like of course I'm still always like the self esteem issues.
But having the listeners, you listeners really backing what we
(29:55):
were doing and seeing where we were coming from and
understanding and empathizing with what we were trying to show
in a time that felt really really rocky, and it
was Trump era. I mean, it was a rough time
and we were all broken, and we wanted to talk
about something that the reason why things like his presidency,
(30:17):
his actions and his supporters' actions were so traumatic, and
why things like the trauma series, trigger warnings therapy were
so important, and so having people who understood that, Yes,
we lost, we lost some, that's how it happens, but
we gained so much more and the people who had
always stood by us to the people who discovered us
(30:39):
like it was it was. It felt like a victory
and it was so uplifting that it kept us going
and it makes us make keeps us going to have
conversations and honest conversations like this and not feel afraid.
We talked about in cells. Oh my god, I know
a few times.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I know. Yeah, yeah, podcasting can feel really lonely sometimes
just because it's you and me Samantha coming from our
homes over computer and you put it out there and
you're like, I don't know, People like is it good?
If is it worth anything? And I can hear you
(31:19):
saying like you should put some value in your own work,
and I do, but it's nice to have someone else
be like, yes, that's had some value to me, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I mean, but to be honest, when it comes to podcasting,
we're not doing this for us.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, no, exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
It can't be that way. If it's that way, of course,
we are selfishly picking things that are of interest to
us or things that that affects us as marginalized people's
and then talking about it because we want to talk
about it because we think it's important bringing people who
have things that they need to say, have things that
they need to share.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Like that.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Absolutely, But the podcast is like there's ownership by the listeners,
and it should be that way that we want you
to tell us if something is wrong, or if something
is a misinformation, or if something is something that you
feel like you can't find and you need us to
look deeper into it, or if you love it and
you want us talk about it so we can highlight it.
(32:20):
We love that. Like that's the fact of the matter
is it is lonely and sometimes I forget what we
do because I'm like, oh, yeah, this is my job.
But to have the listeners, you our family, essentially the
Smanty family come back with. But these are the things
that are also important to us. That is the bigger picture,
(32:40):
and we have to be a part of that bigger picture.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Absolutely. And yeah, just thank you yeah to everyone who
supported us on that that mini series on Samantha's coming on.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I mean that was a true to us. I'm like,
if you can stick this out, then we're good.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Yeah, well, thank you. I'm so glad Samantha this worked.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I know, I'm very grateful. Happy podcast aversary.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Happy podcast diversary to you. We didn't get each other gifts, alas,
there's still.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Time special time. Yeah, technically we have one more day
because today is the twenty first of March.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
As we record. Yes. Well, also I'm not too picky.
If it's close enough, whatever, well, it will work it out.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Technically, you still have a Christmas present for me, right then,
just say that's the anniversary problem.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
No no, no, no, no no no, I would never.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
I'm okay with it.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
Yes, I think we probably will do a playlist of
that Trauma mini series soon. I think that'd be a
good idea, yes, to bring it back. But in the meantime,
Truly listeners, thank you so much. Whether you're Newish Oldish listener,
as a new when you found the podcast, older you've
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been around for a while with the podcast. Either way,
we appreciate you so much. We're happy to have you
and you mean you mean the world to us. So
thank you. If you would like to contact us about anything,
you can our emails stephaniea mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.
You can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast,
or on Instagram and TikTok at stuff I've Never told you.
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We have a tea public store, and we have a
book you can get wherever you get your books. Thanks
to always too, our super producer Christina, our executive producer Maya,
and our Concurtor Joey.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Thank you, we love you, We.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Love you so much, and thanks to you for listening
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