January 18, 2024 • 48 mins
A Humble Farmer writes in with a stunning story of a still-unexplained UFO encounter. Zack asks for more information on a blood donation scandal. TyDjinn suggests several topics for future episodes, including the disappearance of Harold Holt and breathless claims of aliens at a mall in Miami. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of iHeart Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Name is Nolan.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer, all mission controlled decand most importantly, you are here.
And that makes this the stuff they don't want you
to know. It's Thursday, as the Human Calendar goes these days, folks,
which means it's one of our favorite times of the week,
the time when we get to hear directly from you,
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our fellow conspiracy realists. We're going to get some great names,
some great monikers today. Very excited about that.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Uh, Ben, really good. Did I ever mention that people
sometimes call me the human calendar? You have never that's
a verse good at telling people exactly what what data
is that you No, No, I'm bad at that. It's
it's not true.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So we're going to hear a bunch of uh. We're
going to hear some great topic suggestions. As you know,
we love, we love when we get new leads from
our fellow listeners, We're going to talk about something incredibly important, uh,
involving blood that has not been I think been yet
the subject of an episode before we do any of that.
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I know this is a little bit silly because there's
so much stuff going on. But guys, remember we were
talking about Rebel Moon.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Oh yeah, that award a Humble Farmer documentary about the
about them.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Every ten minutes. It's for them, for the audience to know,
and apparently whomever wrote that script, it's important to know
that one of those guys is a humble Farmer. And
I want to give a very special shout out to
one of our fellow conspiracy realists who said, I'll go
with that one.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
You know, I like that I'm only learning about this
film secondhand, and I'm going to keep it that way
just to see what in mental image it conjures. But
in my mind, the Humble Farmer is the is the
protagonist of the whole story. But that's apparently not even true.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I figured it was like a come up kind of
story that he starts as a humble farmer and then
he ends up saving the galaxy.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's about crops because again, so it's interstellar Basel Moon.
In Rebel Moon, someone probably read the first half of
Save the Cat or something, which is a bible of screenwriting,
and then said, okay, as long as every character has
a fear, a fear at aspiration, and one defining demographical
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characteristic their demographic characteristic, then we are good to go.
Take that Shakespeare. This our first email today does come
from a humble farmer, and it goes this way. This
is just a story one to share. I think it
is so very well written. As you know, folks, we
read every email we get. Here's how it goes, or
(03:12):
what's that old joke? I want to hear it? Here
it goes. I know that one. Okay, that might have
just been one of my weird tennessee young guts.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That's from an LL cool Jason.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It is now you're welcome LL so here it goes.
Greetings and salutations stuff they don't want you to know. Team.
I want to apologize in advance for the length of
this email, and kudos goes to whomever finishes it in
its entirety. Well, kudos to all of us from you.
Thank you so much. When we do read every email
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we get. I thought you guys like the intro. I
would like to start out by sharing my not so
short nicknames for the group you are all loving leading
on in my head as Matt the Twitter list. Frederick applause.
Noel only smokes pot in states where it's legal.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Brown, that's funny, it's very true.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Ben definitely not trying to sneak into the DPRK wink Bolin.
All right, I'll let it slide. Paul, can we grub
hub some Applebee's decands? And Alexis the famous Alexis Jackson
Jackson applause all around? Can we get an applause to perfect?
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Just no, says our conspiracy realist. If you are a
super producer reading this who wasn't included on the list,
I probably have a nickname for you too. That's just
eluding me at the moment, So watch out, Max Williams
and Seth and Seth Nicholas Johnson. Yes, and so we
get a bit of background from our conspiracy realist here,
(04:53):
who also has, by the way, granted us permission to
paraphrase some of this. So go going through some beautiful pros,
we get to the first of two amazing subjects, Love
the way right here. This is the story let's get
to my ufo uap or Uao experience. It was the
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old year of twenty fourteen. Some comrades and I had
gathered at a friend's house in the woods for little fire,
some of mister Adams's finest alee in Washington's Stinkiest Herb editorializing,
We'll leave you to guess what that means, folks, continuing,
you should understand this was not a rager, just a
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friendly gathering of ten or so people out in the
woods of Vermont, twenty five miles away from the nearest
city and fifty miles from the airport. At one point
I snuck away from the fire to sit on the
porch and star gaze. Away from the light of the fire.
While looking up at the stars, I came across an
orange light. It was moving like a typical satellite light,
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but was maybe two times bigger and had a sunset
orange glow to it. I rationalized this in my head
as maybe being at a different orbit than usual, and
the light reflecting through the atmosphere weirdly but not out
of the ordinary. I continued to scan the skies while
keeping an eye on this orange light. Eventually I noticed
(06:22):
often the distance, but not that far away from the
orange light. Another light, but this time it was the
normal white star like satellite that I'm used to. Now
I want to pause here because I think this is
an excellent retelling. This is peak storytelling, and I want
to pass the mic so we can kind of round
robin this so it's not just like one person talking
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the whole time. Does anybody want to pick up?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
As I continued to monitor these two lights, there were
two things that became abundantly clear. The first is that
the white light was moving much faster than the orange light,
and the second thing was that these two objects were
moving at a four already five degree angle of each
other and appeared to be on a path to collide.
It was at that point I went and gathered the
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group by the fire to show them what I had discovered.
We all watched in amazement as the two orbs got
closer and closer until colliding. When the objects met, both
lights disappeared. We continued to scan the area for a
few moments, when eventually one white light emerged in the
same area, but this time it was traveling at a
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ninety degree angle from their previous trajectory and continued traveling
until it fell off the horizon.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Everyone in the group was stunned and confused by what
we just witnessed, except for one of us. While we
were all discussing aliens and what we possibly could have seen,
one person chimed in with, Guys, you're all crazy. It's
not aliens, probably just a military training exercise we know
nothing about. I guess there had to be one rational
person with around it in The group scoured the web
(08:00):
over the next few days, but couldn't find anything about
training exercises, satellite crashes, or even just other reports of
the two lights. I know this may not be the
craziest experience to some, but to most of our group,
it was the weirdest thing we've ever seen in the sky.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Paul, can we get just like whatever is closest to
the X Files or Twilight Zone theme? That will not
get a sued perfect So we've got to go to
We've got to go to the very end of this letter.
After another fantastic description of scientology by the way and
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remote viewing hidden caves stargates write to us about that,
Our pal says, I am not a fan of people
choosing their own nickname to me. A nickname is given
by friends. As I consider all of you my friends,
I would be privileged if you would come up with
your nickname for me. But given the spirit of the
not so great movie I just watched Ellipses, it was
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too dark for me, like all of Snyder's recent movies.
But for now, you can call me Humble Farmer. Guys,
we have our own Humble Farmer. Now, yeah, I don't
have to watch Rebel Moon Part two. We've got Humble
Farmer at home.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Well, we'll have to marinate on a maybe I don't know, No,
we should do it now, we won't get to it.
Can we have an alternat nickname that we decide on,
maybe like light light Bringer, light fearer, light seeker, I
don't know, the Primethean, that's good.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
The scientology. Yeah, hey, folks, maybe you can write in
and suggest some nicknames.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Elron, mother, Hubbard.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That's good. I like that one too. We also wanted
to share this one because we get a lot of
folks who write in and say, hey, I don't have
a suggestion for or a new topic, or I'm not
necessarily reacting to a thing that you said before. Right,
(10:06):
We're but I have an experience. I need to share
something that I cannot explain, And with that in mind,
we want you to please send us your stories of
these seemingly inexplicable things. The the idea of unidentified objects
or phenomena in the sky is much more ubiquitous than
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it may appear.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I got it. L Ron humble.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Farmer's humble farter, The fumble farmer would work. If this
wasn't such an excellently written email.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
We should also be handled. We should also point out
that our old friend Brock let us know that he
comes from a long line of humble humble farmer. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Shout out rock, Yeah, and shout out to the shout
out to our other conspiracy realists. I think I replied
today who warned us about per Simmons. Apparently you have
to be very careful when you eat per Simmons, did
you guys? Is that us right?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
What's the deal?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, there's that right?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, Yeah, that's somewhere back in the old memory banks.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So this is uh, this is from our pal who
we're going to call uh Coca Cola, Thank you, Georgia.
Just to not compromise stuff. Uh, the thing is apparently
if you eat per simmons when they're unripe on an
empty stomach, they can form bezo wars in your stomach.
(11:45):
The a bez of war is like a bunch of
gunk trapped in stomach. It's partially undigested material. It's also
very useful in some ritual magic back in the day.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Is it sort of like, what's that stuff that that
whales secrete that's so valuable? Amberg and human equivalent? Are
these pezive words? Can they be harvested and then sold
on the black market?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I'm curious. You know, you can sell a lot of
stuff on the black market. We've got some stories about
that on the way there. But with this in mind,
this is a big thank you to humble farmer. We
just want to find more reasons to say humble farmer. Uh.
This is also a call to action, as we would
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say in the business. We want to read more of
your UFO UAP paranormal stories or things you just can explain.
If you drive often, if you drive for a living,
then what's the strangest stuff you've seen on the road.
If you are out there in the ocean, what's the
strangest stuff you've seen on or beneath the waves. These
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stories are important. They always make our evening. We love
to read them. We do not pretend to be the
experts in terms of evaluating or analyzing this stuff. But
if you would like to send us photographs or footage
or audio, we are more than happy to dig in
and give you our take.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Consider this a call to arms, a call to use
your arms, or your mouth or your mind man eventually
maybe to write us about these, these these and any
other questions you might have.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Yeah, call to arms, a call to add to the
conversation one A three three std WYTK conspiracy at iHeartRadio
dot com. We'll keep this one brief pause for a
word from our sponsors. Go see if there are any
UFOs outside, and we'll be back with more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And we're back. I just took a look outside, guys,
only seeing gray out there.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Just gray me too days. I blame it dollar blindness.
But you know, the.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Clouds, I don't know. I can't tell. I can't tell.
There might be a gene jacket up there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Shout out, Jean jacket in the sky. I got you
that one was talking.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
About the note, yes, sir, Yes, sir. It's honestly my
favorite depiction, though could be. Okay, uh, here we go,
We're going to jump to the phone lines. We got
a message from Zach.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Well, my name is Zach from Arkansas. I've got something
that I think they don't want us to know. Back
in two thousand and five, a director named Kelly Dudah
du Da made a film called Factor eight. It was
about plasma and blood transfusions being taken from the Arkansas
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prison system and being sold internationally. Apparently it's illegal to
sell them of prison collected blood in the United States,
but apparently a gray area internationally. Anyways, remembered that the
Clintons were behind all this because he was a governor
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at this time when this was going on, and of
course the governor is has some control over the prison systems.
But anyways, back in two thousand and five, Kelly Dudeah
put out this movie called Factor eight. It is unobtainable.
You cannot I cannot find it anywhere on the internet.
You can find a trailer for it, which gives quite
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a bit of information but still leaves you wanting to
watch the entire movie. The movie one film was shown
at film festivals, won some awards. I believe, to my knowledge,
Kelly good All Tudah is still around and lives in
Arkansas still. But there are tons of conspiracy and imagination
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just to let go crazy with the the bad stuff
that went on with this. Lots of people done with pain,
blood anyways, interesting stuff, and since they don't want us
to know it, well there we.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Go, guys. Zach's putting us on to a movie and
an entire topic. I think that may even deserve more
time that we've got today. But let's get let's knock
out what we can. Let's give everybody as much info
as we can. First thing I would say is the
movie that Zach is referring to is titled Factor the
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Number eight colon the Arkansas Prison blood Scandal. You can
find an IMDb page for it. You can find a
couple other pieces written about it online. But as Zach found,
I could not find a place to either purchase this
video or even download it in some other way to
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actually view the entire thing.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I'm with you, Matt, I played the game a bit too,
because we talked about this off air. There's not even
a good r maybe path to it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
There you go, Yes, exactly our Factor eight. Well, we
couldn't find it, at least to my knowledge, I couldn't
find it. Did, however, find a few other documentaries that
are touching on this scandal because it was and is
such a big deal. If you search for in cold
Blood Infected Blood scandal documentary, you can find it on
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a YouTube channel titled Factor eight by the way, which
is a bit confusing for everybody, I think, but this
is an hour and a half long feature documentary. I
have not personally watched that one, so I do not
know what that one is like. You can also find
longer videos on YouTube from places like Real Stories. There's
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like an hour long documentary on this whole scandal. There's
all kinds. Basically, there are places for you to watch
things about this if that is how you want to
explore it. If you want to read about the topic
and what occurred, you will also find a ton of resources.
The one that was I focused on a couple of
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the British reportings on it, because it did a lot
of this stuff took place in the UK, also took
place in Canada, in parts of Asia as well, and
in different countries there. But it is primarily a UK
Canada situation, so I'm kind of trusting a bit of
that to go off the initial like what occurred, and
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I guess them using their official healthcare terminology right with
the different organizations that were reporting, And it also has
to do with American pharmaceutical companies. So I was a
bit nervous about checking out US reporting just because I
thought there might be I can't believe, but you know
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what I mean, I don't know if there's just a
cozy relationship there sometimes, So you know, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
That name really rang a bell with me. It's a
bit of an unusual name. And I did some digging
in the old memory banks and remembered that this guy
actually pitched this as a podcast several years ago and
nothing came of it. And it's such a crazy and
interesting story. I don't quite know what happened. He seems
to have ghosted a little bit unusual because it's such
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a fascinating story. There had to have been a reason
that we didn't do it. I kind of seemed to
remember that the guy kind of dropped off the map
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I know nothing about that, guys, but I maybe let's
jump into the reporting from BBC just to like have
an understanding based off of what Zach is telling us.
What does a BBC say about this? They're calling it
the Blood Inquiry, the Contaminated Blood Inquiry. In fact, you
can search for what is the Contaminated Blood Inquiry and
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you'll find an article written by Nick Triggle tri gg La.
That's very wonderful British name. Oh yeah, so I'm going
to read a bit directly from this article. But ultimately
what's happening in the nineteen seventies and eighties, the United
Kingdom is struggling to keep up with this stuff. That
is it's they call it Factor eight blood caught clotting treatment.
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It is for it is to treat people who have hemophilia,
so blood disorder of one sort or another. In this case,
it's the blood is unable to clot properly, so you
can get treated with this stuff. In this this treatment
is a blood transfusion where you are actually getting a
substance let's call it, that's based on blood from a
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donor that then goes into your body and allows your
body person with hemophilia to clot properly. Okay, so UK
can't keep up with the demand, so they start importing
stuff from the United States. Now here's the issue. In
the US, A lot of the blood supplies that were
going to US pharmaceutical companies were being donated, and in
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this case a lot of those donors were coming from
prison systems and several of them, not all of them, obviously,
but several of those prisoners ended up having contaminated blood
with either HIV or hepatitis C, and somehow or another,
those contaminated samples of blood, those donations made it through
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the system at the pharmaceutical company, made it through the system.
Then that went over to the UK and Canada and
was injected into people via transfusion who did not have
hepatitis C or HIV. Sure be killed until that moment
when they received treatment for the thing they needed. It
was like life saving treatment. Which is just a whole horrifying,
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just a series of events.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
The big problem is how did how did those infected
people get to donate blood? Where was the testing? Where
was the like the protection?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right was their consent? What was the order of operations? Dude?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
They won't let people that have tattoos donate blood, Like there.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Were people who visited the UK during mad cow disease.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Right, I was saying, like, you know, there was a
communication systematic breakdown at some stage of this this event.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well, if we're talking seventies and eighties now, remember that's
a good point. We've only known about HIV for a
certain amount of time where we were really starting to
understand it in the mid nineteen eighties, So at that
time when these donations are going out, maybe there wasn't
an understanding right of whether or not or how bad
this would be, what it would be. And also the
hepatitis the thing we were humans like, science was learning
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about that stuff still, and there was a monetary incentive
to donate blood. If you were a prisoner, you would
get paid, right when we're talking about consent, Like what
in my mind, at least with this story, it wasn't
the prisoners being forced to donate. It was more like, yeah,
donate blood, I'm going to get some money. That's the
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way it seems. And this is something that went on
for quite a while before it was detected, because again,
when you get that transfusion, you often weren't aware that
you've been infected with anything for a long time, right,
It wasn't until people who receive treatments began to get
very sick and or die that everyone kind of raised
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the flag and said, hey, there's a problem here, we
need to investigate. So there is a huge There was
a huge inquiry not long ago, I think twenty nineteen,
there was a large public inquiry in the United Kingdom,
you know, just to gather information. And it's something that
has it continues to happen right now. Wow, I believe
there's still it's still ongoing. So we need to do
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a deep dive I think into this, especially the I
guess the processes that went into the donation, the donations
from the Arkansas prison system in particular.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Let's do an episode on the blood trade or blood
donation trade in general. I think right like this, this
is a real thing, quite possibly a real conspiracy.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
The conspiratorial aspect, to your point, would be when people
knew about it, or when institutions knew about it, versus
when they stopped giving tainted blood to two people, two
innocent people. And there's gosh, there's such hypocrisy in blood donation.
It wasn't too long ago that someone's sexual orientation would
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dictate whether or not they could donate blood. We mentioned
the mad cow controversy, and you mentioned tattoos as well. No,
the this twenty nineteen in quary you're talking about matt
Is it following up on the earlier UK inquiry, because yeah,
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a couple.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, it's been ongoing basically since since that time, and things,
I guess precautions have been put into place. Blood products
of any sort began to be screened for all types
of things, like any donated blood that's going to go
into any product begins getting screened in nineteen ninety one.
Then by the late nineteen nineties, especially for this treatment
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is factor eight treatment. There's a synthetic option, so you
didn't actually need human blood donation to make it right,
which is all good stuff for people suffering from hemophilia
that need this type of treatment. But it doesn't stop.
It doesn't change that several thousand people got infected over
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the course of decades.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Why is there never news about a blood surplus. It's
always like in the US, there was just a new
thing released this week, maybe even yesterday, as we record
about emergency lack of blood for people who need it,
Like it's just weird. It's always a shortage. It's never
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a situation where a country says we have so much blood.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That would be troubling though, right, It would be a.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Weird headline, now that I say it out loud, you know,
like Romania advertises free blood, more like Transylvania.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Am I right?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
We heard the number one holder of blood of what supplies.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
We're kind of known.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
For our blood, having a fire sale of blood. Blood, blood, blood,
all the blood must go.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
This is a real problem though, right, evidenced by the
the timeline of investigations and the levels of government into
which these investigations have risen.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Oh yeah, absolutely so. If you want to learn more,
you can also search the Contaminated Blood Scandal Hemophilia Society.
That's h A E M O P h I L
I A society search for that. There's a great write
up there. Again, this is stuff you can find everywhere
as well, El Juzira The Guardian if you want to
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learn more about it on your own, But if not,
we're going to hopefully come back with our findings in
a full episode shortly. So for now, thank you, Zach.
We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And we're back with one more piece of listener mail
mail from you. Yesu, This one comes to us from
tie Gin. This is a great nickname. You can give
yourself a nickname.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's nice spelled like the seasoning.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Though no it's Gin. That's the silence D but just
so you can visualize it. But yeah, humble farmer, we
see you. He's a humble farmer. Hu the boy is he?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
This one is a suggestion for a handful of topics
to look into, and I think it's going to be
fun to chat about the three of these right quick,
So let's jump in. Hi, guys, you can call me
tie Jin. Longtime listener, first time writer. First of all,
you guys have mentioned or talked about immortality and cloning
not too long ago. I was wondering if you had
ever read cy teen by C. J. Cherry. There's a
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seemingly silent h at the end of Cherry, but that's
how I'm going to say it. If not, I highly
recommend it. It explores cloning and human engineering on a global scale.
It is a very interesting read and makes you consider
the boons and downfalls of such sciences. I'm going to
go through all these and then we'll hit them one
at a time. Secondly, and on a completely different topic,
have you ever covered the disappearance of Harold Holt. He
(28:55):
was a Prime Minister of Australia who had disappeared while
in office in nineteen sixty seven. I haven't done much
research on this, but I'm very curious as to the
possible circumstances of his disappearance. Lastly, on New Year's Day
in Miami at the Bayside Marketplace, apparently there was a
sighting of a ten foot tall alien that caused a
large panic. I'm going to leave it at that so
(29:16):
that we can get to the details of that. In
our conversation. Tai Jen also included some very helpful links
and signed off. So thanks Tijen, Ben you made an
expression as though you were familiar with Cyten by CJ. Cherry.
I read a bit about it on the Internet without
having actually read it, but it sounds like a really
(29:37):
cool piece of prescient sci fi.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh yeah, yeah. Well has always like to point out
the good sci fi is always prescient and fiction only
for a certain amount of time. I just really appreciated that.
Shout out, Tijen and quit pro quo clarice as they say,
shout out to your awesome name. I like your point
about choosing nickname as well, NOL. And this is that
(30:03):
these are three great topics. These are three great things
to explore. I wonder we've talked a little bit about
Harold Holt. These are also great. No, what's your initial
reaction when you read this first topic? Oh?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Just I mean, like I said, I'm not familiar with
the book, but I'm a huge fan of science fiction
that gets the future right. And it does seem like
this citing series or is it a series? Or is
it just a single book? Does you know? Like I said,
I read some synopsies online. It sounds pretty complex, as
oftentimes some of these types of novels are. But have
(30:39):
you read Citeen Ben by C. J.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Cherry?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I read. I want to if I'm remembering this correctly.
I want to say it's just the one book. I
don't think it's a series. But I do remember it
because it was when it was this golden age in
used bookstores where you can get any quote unquote genre
fiction in paperback form for like less than a dollar
(31:06):
if it was a used book. So I went through
a lot of sci fi paperbacks at that time. But
I do think it is. I do think it is
just the one book. I believe. I picked it up
because it won a Hugo Award.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, look look at looking it up now, it does
appear to be just the one book. And Ben, I'm
with you on the mining thrift stories for you know,
fantasy and sci fi novels. I actually stumbled upon a
book called The Wizard's Mole by none other than friend
of the show and UH and owner of the complaints
email box, Jonathan Strickland's father, Brad Strickland. Yeah, and I
(31:44):
haven't read that. Well, it's funny speaking of series versus
one offs. I texted Jonathan when I was at the bookstore,
send him a picture of it for lulls, and he responded,
don't get it. It's the eighth book in a fifteen
book series. You won't have any idea what's going on.
Not The Case with Cyteen by CJ. Cherry, which came
out in nineteen eighty eight, involves a planet that has
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become toxic for humans to live on and the necessity
to create kind of capsule communities, capsule colonies like the
biodome kind of situations within the city, and it of
course involves politics, like a lot of the best science
fiction does, and when it's done well, it's not as
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snoozy as one might think. I think Star Trek is
a great example of doing politics in a way that
is actually very interesting and educational when it comes to
thinking about the politics of Earth today. But yeah, very
much so. This involves a lot of human cloning and
the idea of these womb tanks incubated incubators called womb tanks,
(32:51):
which I think is a great nomenclature. But I don't
want to give anything away. I actually want to read this.
I may do it as an audiobook on an upcoming trip,
but yeah, let's move on. Thanks for the recommendation. To
the second topic, it was about the Prime Minister of Australia,
Harold Holt. I didn't remember this, but Ben you said
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you remember either not necessarily doing a full episode, but
it may have come up in other research. This kind
of disappeared suspiciously, or at the very least suddenly during
a swim a swimming expedition, and he was known for
his love of the swim. He was a big swimmer,
strong swimmer.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
As they say, yes, yes, one of those folks who
would have gotten their cups and said, you know, I
wish i'd been bowl on adulphin shout out to shout
out to folks like trees And as for alien and
fellow ben down under our Australian listeners, you're you're aware
of this, and Matt check me here. I think maybe
(33:49):
it was an Australian listener who tipped us with Harold
Holt way back in the day. For some reason, I'm
associating it with our mysterious Disappearances phase a Llah you know,
dag Hammer, Scold and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, ah, yeah, yeah, I'm searching through our meta right now, guys,
to try and because it sounds so familiar to me.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I didn't find a full episode on it, and it's flicked through,
I think maybe it's like a cavalcade of where did
these people go?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Totally well, you know, because of his his you know,
notoriety obviously as a prominent politician, I believe he was
pretty well well liked and his reputations being such a
strong swimmer. This is what of course caused speculation to
take place, you know, around the nature of his disappearance.
(34:41):
And I think it was ultimately ruled like death by
a misadventure, one of those kind of things. But there
is a not to make light of the loss of
a human life. But there was something that I read
in the just a cursory glance through the wiki about
this guy that there was a like a national like
creation center in Melbourne that was named after him, and
(35:04):
an indoor pool and a lot of a lot of
Aussi's apparently find that to be a little bit ironic,
don't you think, But that's sort of the point. You know,
he was known for his love of the water, so
name a pool center after him.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
You know what's funny here, Tijan and Noel and Matt
and everybody tuning in, is that this very evening as
we record, not too long ago, someone released a story
called The Enduring Enigma, Harold Holt's disappearance and the swirl
of conspiracy theories. The most famous theory, which I think
(35:41):
it's quoted often. I can't remember if we mentioned this one,
is that this guy who entered politics at a very
young age. I think he was in his late twenties.
He's like twenty seven years old when he enters politics.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
The idea is that the most popular fringe speculation is
that the entire time he was an OP, he was
an agent of the Chinese government at that when he
was swimming, he wasn't on a recreational swim. He was
instead physically swimming out to meet a submarine from China.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
How presumably containing his handlers.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It doesn't make sense if you ever had to meet
a submarine China Australia.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I'm bad at geography.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
It has to surface right to do anything.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
You can't go they pick him up.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
They has to surf, which means, unless things are absolutely fubar,
you are on a small boat on the way to
the submarine. That's how those work.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's a dinghy sitch, you know. But but the the
story I heard is that he got pulled out with
a rip current. Basically he was just swimming, you know,
as a human swims and water and got rid to
see and that was it.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
I mean, it's the same thing with Jeff Buckley, the gorgeous,
wonderful singer. I say gorgeous, not now referring to his looks,
but he was also a good looking man. But he died.
It was tragically swept away by a strong river current,
you know, and you know, and he was a guy
who was known to swim all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So it was also Glen Glenn Miller, one of the
most famous musicians at the time of his disappearance. Uh,
the reality is that the ocean is brutal and is
enormous can be left, he lost and the like, I
don't know, there was there was a huge investigation. And
(37:43):
you made a beautiful point earlier, which is that whenever
a prominent public figure dies or disappears, whatever the circumstances,
a certain contingent of the public will have an alternative
explanation her theory. It doesn't For instance, it doesn't matter
like if who's someone who's super famous. If Neil de
(38:07):
grass Tyson today, God forbid, slipped and fell on camera
and like died in that dark lottery of accidental death
or death by misadventure as you put it, then regardless
of how much proof there was around the circumstances of
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that demise, there would inevitably be a group of people
who are like, here's what really happened, you know what
I mean? You got to look at the diet cokes
in the green room and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It's true. He was going to let it slip that
the Earth is actually flat.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
That's why they got him big, big round, get them
big round. I mean. The Herald Hole story, though, is
still really troubling because it hasn't like they've never found
the body, right, habeas corpus ever occurred? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
But you know what else? They never found the bodies off?
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
What's that the shadow extraterrestriels that were chilling in Miami?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
No, they never whence those shadows?
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Like what's making the shadows?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Maybe we break down that for the context, because I
know we again we talked about earlier this week. We're
just hanging out. Uh, but what's the what's the scoop?
How can we do that in like a headline version?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Well?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Shoot, I don't even know all the details, guys. I've
gotten most of the information from Instagram reels that I
could not I could not find any confirmation about the facts.
And then the stuff you can find to confirm is like, oh, yeah,
there were some teens at the mall and they had
an altercation, so fifty cop cars showed up.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, but it was apparently fifty teens. Sorry not to
spoil it, but yeah, tell me no, well, no ten
foot tall alien at the Miami Galleria what, Yeah, it's
a mold. I know they could have used the press.
But you know, there's a video that made you know,
remember like that those people in the backyard. Wasn't that
in Florida? And there was exposedly an alien, like a
(40:11):
glimpse of an alien.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
But there's people in a back But there are a
lot of those videos, there are.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
And I saw the video for this one, and it's
overhead shot with all the cop activity, which involves flashing
blue lights, y'all, which is something that's often heralded that
are associated with the appearance of extraterrestrials, and there is
the the detail I can only assume is what people
are talking about, is this blurry form behind one of
the flashing blue lights that apparently is nothing more than
(40:38):
three police officers walking in a line together. But when
you look at it with the angle of the elevated shot,
the overhead shot, it's harder to make out what's the
word I'm looking for kind of orientation, So the side
by side of them almost appears to be stacked because
you're seeing it blurred, So it does look like a
you know, the scale of it's all all wow out
(41:00):
so you can't quite tell what you're looking at, but
it does appear to be a large atall form face.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Out of ours. Yeah, paradolia, right, that's probably right. Yeah,
that's from a January eighth, twenty twenty four post on
x formerly known as Twitter. There there's something I saw
right now. Actually, forgive me, guys for googling and searching
while we're while we're on the air, but it looks
(41:26):
like just earlier today, holy spokes. Yeah, at four five
pm today, someone came out and said, the Miami Police
have refuted the allegations that there was an alien invasion.
So good on you, miamipd.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
The quote specifically, I believe hang on, nothing is being
with help from the public. No aliens, UFOs or ets.
No airports were closed, no power out it is I
love it that they led with no aliens, you haves
and not the like more practical the response of the
(42:05):
airports and power outages.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
But of course they're gonna say that, why do you
need fifty cop cars. I don't care how many teens
are fighting, there aren't fifty squad cars immediately available unless
you call like you literally do a calling all cars
for all of Miami.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Right, And also let me point out that if it's
fifty teens and then it's fifty cops, that parent to
student ratio is way higher than what you would see
in Miami public schools.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, Miami goes hard, dude, Miami gets lit.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I don't you know. I love Miami. Got a lot
of contacts in Miami. We're listening to the show right
now and can continually invite it. But I just feel
like I'm fro Do when I go there. Everybody's so
cool and so beautiful, and then I'm like, you know what,
I'm like Frodo in the Land of the Elves when
I go to Miami.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
You know, I thought Frodo was pretty cute. Thanks, man,
Elijah Wood type fellow, you're a bit of an Elijah
Would esque figure.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Ben.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
You can hold your own against the elf any day
of the week. Now, I've never never been to Miami,
but it does seem like the kind of place that
Aliens would rock, you know, they'd be like that place
seems wild. Let's check that out.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Sure, why not do what we want? It'll be under
the ocean and you know pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
So we always just think of the movie Spring Breakers,
which is a Florida man kind of situation, and the
character that James Franco plays somewhat problematically borrowing maybe not problematically,
well neither Twitter f raft in and of himself may
be problematic, but borrowing Riff Raff's whole game the rapper,
and his name of course in the film is Alien,
which I always thought was kind of funny and ironic.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Now we do have to we do have to point
out something that I think you're getting toward there, Matt,
which is the teams, like the kids in this situation
are real. It's projected that there was roughly fifty kids.
We were talking about this again earlier and they were,
I think, what was it like shooting fireworks at other
(44:04):
people at the mall. They were doing the thing where
you go into a small brick and mortar store with
a big group of people and you sort of count
on the idea that their maximum staff amount is going
to be three to four folks, and then you just
if you go in there with therefore like fifteen to
twenty folks on your side, then you can just grab
(44:26):
whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, I've seen that too. I think it's just we're
in this place now where everything gets muddied so quickly
because there are so many loud voices on social media
that get I guess, more attention paid to them than
even the written article from the journalist who got paid
a salary to write that and to investigate it and
(44:50):
make phone calls and find out what's going on. So
it in my mind, the alien stuff is so much
more prominent and interesting that I it's almost as though
my eyes look to that because that's cooler than ohs,
there are some younger people fighting.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
You know, yeah, and not just investigative research, investigative journalism.
It's not just phone calls. It's also digging through, actually
reading through all sorts of things that are perhaps by
design not page turners, not fun to read. And like
the I think you're right. It reminds me of what
(45:27):
we were talking about earlier this week when Davos we
don't always agree with Davos, folks, when Davos pointed out
that AI misinformation is a genuine short term threat, and
this this sort of hall of mirrors that are facing
each other, reflecting nothing. It creates a feedback loop and
(45:48):
an echo chamber. What are you what are you going
to say? You're gonna like if you're the person who
is trying to get attention in the dopamine casino, are
you going to go with a headline it says cops
cracked down on children launching fireworks? Or you're going to
go with a headline that says aliens of Miami and
then just cover your ass with a question mark at
(46:10):
the end. Yeah, I yield my time. Sorry, I feel
you on that now.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
No, you said it all, Ben, you said it all,
but man, huge thanks to tij In for the excellent topics.
It sounds to me like we're going to do a
deep dive episode on the blood transfusion scandal over there
in Arkansas and looking forward to that one.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
And with that we have much more ahead in coming evenings, folks,
think so much, do Zach. Thanks to Humble Farmer, Thanks
to ties In, Thanks to everyone who chose to spend
some time the only real currency of this world with us.
Fellow conspiracy realist, if you would like to join the show,
we would love to have you over on the air
(46:56):
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Speaker 3 (47:01):
That's right. You can find it to the handle Conspiracy Stuff,
where we exist on several places on the internet. Those
are Facebook, x and also YouTube. We are Conspiracy Stuff show,
however on Instagram and TikTok, and I'm just gonna second
what Matt said on the last episode. Check out the Instagram,
(47:22):
check out the YouTube. Write a comment. We've got some
fun videos. We put a lot of thought and time
into and we're very proud of them. And there Some
of them are goofy, some of them are informative. It's
kind of runs the gamut, but worth checking out for sure.
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Name is Nolan.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer, all mission controlled decand most importantly, you are here.
And that makes this the stuff they don't want you
to know. It's Thursday, as the Human Calendar goes these days, folks,
which means it's one of our favorite times of the week,
the time when we get to hear directly from you,
(00:51):
our fellow conspiracy realists. We're going to get some great names,
some great monikers today. Very excited about that.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Uh, Ben, really good. Did I ever mention that people
sometimes call me the human calendar? You have never that's
a verse good at telling people exactly what what data
is that you No, No, I'm bad at that. It's
it's not true.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
So we're going to hear a bunch of uh. We're
going to hear some great topic suggestions. As you know,
we love, we love when we get new leads from
our fellow listeners, We're going to talk about something incredibly important, uh,
involving blood that has not been I think been yet
the subject of an episode before we do any of that.
(01:35):
I know this is a little bit silly because there's
so much stuff going on. But guys, remember we were
talking about Rebel Moon.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Oh yeah, that award a Humble Farmer documentary about the
about them.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Every ten minutes. It's for them, for the audience to know,
and apparently whomever wrote that script, it's important to know
that one of those guys is a humble Farmer. And
I want to give a very special shout out to
one of our fellow conspiracy realists who said, I'll go
with that one.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
You know, I like that I'm only learning about this
film secondhand, and I'm going to keep it that way
just to see what in mental image it conjures. But
in my mind, the Humble Farmer is the is the
protagonist of the whole story. But that's apparently not even true.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
No.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
I figured it was like a come up kind of
story that he starts as a humble farmer and then
he ends up saving the galaxy.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
It's about crops because again, so it's interstellar Basel Moon.
In Rebel Moon, someone probably read the first half of
Save the Cat or something, which is a bible of screenwriting,
and then said, okay, as long as every character has
a fear, a fear at aspiration, and one defining demographical
(02:50):
characteristic their demographic characteristic, then we are good to go.
Take that Shakespeare. This our first email today does come
from a humble farmer, and it goes this way. This
is just a story one to share. I think it
is so very well written. As you know, folks, we
read every email we get. Here's how it goes, or
(03:12):
what's that old joke? I want to hear it? Here
it goes. I know that one. Okay, that might have
just been one of my weird tennessee young guts.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That's from an LL cool Jason.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It is now you're welcome LL so here it goes.
Greetings and salutations stuff they don't want you to know. Team.
I want to apologize in advance for the length of
this email, and kudos goes to whomever finishes it in
its entirety. Well, kudos to all of us from you.
Thank you so much. When we do read every email
(03:46):
we get. I thought you guys like the intro. I
would like to start out by sharing my not so
short nicknames for the group you are all loving leading
on in my head as Matt the Twitter list. Frederick applause.
Noel only smokes pot in states where it's legal.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Brown, that's funny, it's very true.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Ben definitely not trying to sneak into the DPRK wink Bolin.
All right, I'll let it slide. Paul, can we grub
hub some Applebee's decands? And Alexis the famous Alexis Jackson
Jackson applause all around? Can we get an applause to perfect?
(04:30):
Just no, says our conspiracy realist. If you are a
super producer reading this who wasn't included on the list,
I probably have a nickname for you too. That's just
eluding me at the moment, So watch out, Max Williams
and Seth and Seth Nicholas Johnson. Yes, and so we
get a bit of background from our conspiracy realist here,
(04:53):
who also has, by the way, granted us permission to
paraphrase some of this. So go going through some beautiful pros,
we get to the first of two amazing subjects, Love
the way right here. This is the story let's get
to my ufo uap or Uao experience. It was the
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old year of twenty fourteen. Some comrades and I had
gathered at a friend's house in the woods for little fire,
some of mister Adams's finest alee in Washington's Stinkiest Herb editorializing,
We'll leave you to guess what that means, folks, continuing,
you should understand this was not a rager, just a
(05:38):
friendly gathering of ten or so people out in the
woods of Vermont, twenty five miles away from the nearest
city and fifty miles from the airport. At one point
I snuck away from the fire to sit on the
porch and star gaze. Away from the light of the fire.
While looking up at the stars, I came across an
orange light. It was moving like a typical satellite light,
(06:00):
but was maybe two times bigger and had a sunset
orange glow to it. I rationalized this in my head
as maybe being at a different orbit than usual, and
the light reflecting through the atmosphere weirdly but not out
of the ordinary. I continued to scan the skies while
keeping an eye on this orange light. Eventually I noticed
(06:22):
often the distance, but not that far away from the
orange light. Another light, but this time it was the
normal white star like satellite that I'm used to. Now
I want to pause here because I think this is
an excellent retelling. This is peak storytelling, and I want
to pass the mic so we can kind of round
robin this so it's not just like one person talking
(06:44):
the whole time. Does anybody want to pick up?
Speaker 2 (06:46):
As I continued to monitor these two lights, there were
two things that became abundantly clear. The first is that
the white light was moving much faster than the orange light,
and the second thing was that these two objects were
moving at a four already five degree angle of each
other and appeared to be on a path to collide.
It was at that point I went and gathered the
(07:07):
group by the fire to show them what I had discovered.
We all watched in amazement as the two orbs got
closer and closer until colliding. When the objects met, both
lights disappeared. We continued to scan the area for a
few moments, when eventually one white light emerged in the
same area, but this time it was traveling at a
(07:30):
ninety degree angle from their previous trajectory and continued traveling
until it fell off the horizon.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Everyone in the group was stunned and confused by what
we just witnessed, except for one of us. While we
were all discussing aliens and what we possibly could have seen,
one person chimed in with, Guys, you're all crazy. It's
not aliens, probably just a military training exercise we know
nothing about. I guess there had to be one rational
person with around it in The group scoured the web
(08:00):
over the next few days, but couldn't find anything about
training exercises, satellite crashes, or even just other reports of
the two lights. I know this may not be the
craziest experience to some, but to most of our group,
it was the weirdest thing we've ever seen in the sky.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Paul, can we get just like whatever is closest to
the X Files or Twilight Zone theme? That will not
get a sued perfect So we've got to go to
We've got to go to the very end of this letter.
After another fantastic description of scientology by the way and
(08:38):
remote viewing hidden caves stargates write to us about that,
Our pal says, I am not a fan of people
choosing their own nickname to me. A nickname is given
by friends. As I consider all of you my friends,
I would be privileged if you would come up with
your nickname for me. But given the spirit of the
not so great movie I just watched Ellipses, it was
(09:02):
too dark for me, like all of Snyder's recent movies.
But for now, you can call me Humble Farmer. Guys,
we have our own Humble Farmer. Now, yeah, I don't
have to watch Rebel Moon Part two. We've got Humble
Farmer at home.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Well, we'll have to marinate on a maybe I don't know, No,
we should do it now, we won't get to it.
Can we have an alternat nickname that we decide on,
maybe like light light Bringer, light fearer, light seeker, I
don't know, the Primethean, that's good.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
The scientology. Yeah, hey, folks, maybe you can write in
and suggest some nicknames.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Elron, mother, Hubbard.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That's good. I like that one too. We also wanted
to share this one because we get a lot of
folks who write in and say, hey, I don't have
a suggestion for or a new topic, or I'm not
necessarily reacting to a thing that you said before. Right,
(10:06):
We're but I have an experience. I need to share
something that I cannot explain, And with that in mind,
we want you to please send us your stories of
these seemingly inexplicable things. The the idea of unidentified objects
or phenomena in the sky is much more ubiquitous than
(10:31):
it may appear.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I got it. L Ron humble.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Farmer's humble farter, The fumble farmer would work. If this
wasn't such an excellently written email.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
We should also be handled. We should also point out
that our old friend Brock let us know that he
comes from a long line of humble humble farmer. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Shout out rock, Yeah, and shout out to the shout
out to our other conspiracy realists. I think I replied
today who warned us about per Simmons. Apparently you have
to be very careful when you eat per Simmons, did
you guys? Is that us right?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Isn't that true?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (11:17):
What's the deal?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, there's that right?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah, Yeah, that's somewhere back in the old memory banks.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
So this is uh, this is from our pal who
we're going to call uh Coca Cola, Thank you, Georgia.
Just to not compromise stuff. Uh, the thing is apparently
if you eat per simmons when they're unripe on an
empty stomach, they can form bezo wars in your stomach.
(11:45):
The a bez of war is like a bunch of
gunk trapped in stomach. It's partially undigested material. It's also
very useful in some ritual magic back in the day.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Is it sort of like, what's that stuff that that
whales secrete that's so valuable? Amberg and human equivalent? Are
these pezive words? Can they be harvested and then sold
on the black market?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I'm curious. You know, you can sell a lot of
stuff on the black market. We've got some stories about
that on the way there. But with this in mind,
this is a big thank you to humble farmer. We
just want to find more reasons to say humble farmer. Uh.
This is also a call to action, as we would
(12:36):
say in the business. We want to read more of
your UFO UAP paranormal stories or things you just can explain.
If you drive often, if you drive for a living,
then what's the strangest stuff you've seen on the road.
If you are out there in the ocean, what's the
strangest stuff you've seen on or beneath the waves. These
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if you would like to send us photographs or footage
or audio, we are more than happy to dig in
and give you our take.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Consider this a call to arms, a call to use
your arms, or your mouth or your mind man eventually
maybe to write us about these, these these and any
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Speaker 2 (13:52):
And we're back. I just took a look outside, guys,
only seeing gray out there.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Just gray me too days. I blame it dollar blindness.
But you know, the.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Clouds, I don't know. I can't tell. I can't tell.
There might be a gene jacket up there somewhere.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Shout out, Jean jacket in the sky. I got you
that one was talking.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
About the note, yes, sir, Yes, sir. It's honestly my
favorite depiction, though could be. Okay, uh, here we go,
We're going to jump to the phone lines. We got
a message from Zach.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Well, my name is Zach from Arkansas. I've got something
that I think they don't want us to know. Back
in two thousand and five, a director named Kelly Dudah
du Da made a film called Factor eight. It was
about plasma and blood transfusions being taken from the Arkansas
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prison system and being sold internationally. Apparently it's illegal to
sell them of prison collected blood in the United States,
but apparently a gray area internationally. Anyways, remembered that the
Clintons were behind all this because he was a governor
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at this time when this was going on, and of
course the governor is has some control over the prison systems.
But anyways, back in two thousand and five, Kelly Dudeah
put out this movie called Factor eight. It is unobtainable.
You cannot I cannot find it anywhere on the internet.
You can find a trailer for it, which gives quite
(15:38):
a bit of information but still leaves you wanting to
watch the entire movie. The movie one film was shown
at film festivals, won some awards. I believe, to my knowledge,
Kelly good All Tudah is still around and lives in
Arkansas still. But there are tons of conspiracy and imagination
(16:04):
just to let go crazy with the the bad stuff
that went on with this. Lots of people done with pain,
blood anyways, interesting stuff, and since they don't want us
to know it, well there we.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Go, guys. Zach's putting us on to a movie and
an entire topic. I think that may even deserve more
time that we've got today. But let's get let's knock
out what we can. Let's give everybody as much info
as we can. First thing I would say is the
movie that Zach is referring to is titled Factor the
(16:40):
Number eight colon the Arkansas Prison blood Scandal. You can
find an IMDb page for it. You can find a
couple other pieces written about it online. But as Zach found,
I could not find a place to either purchase this
video or even download it in some other way to
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actually view the entire thing.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
I'm with you, Matt, I played the game a bit too,
because we talked about this off air. There's not even
a good r maybe path to it.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
There you go, Yes, exactly our Factor eight. Well, we
couldn't find it, at least to my knowledge, I couldn't
find it. Did, however, find a few other documentaries that
are touching on this scandal because it was and is
such a big deal. If you search for in cold
Blood Infected Blood scandal documentary, you can find it on
(17:36):
a YouTube channel titled Factor eight by the way, which
is a bit confusing for everybody, I think, but this
is an hour and a half long feature documentary. I
have not personally watched that one, so I do not
know what that one is like. You can also find
longer videos on YouTube from places like Real Stories. There's
(17:59):
like an hour long documentary on this whole scandal. There's
all kinds. Basically, there are places for you to watch
things about this if that is how you want to
explore it. If you want to read about the topic
and what occurred, you will also find a ton of resources.
The one that was I focused on a couple of
(18:21):
the British reportings on it, because it did a lot
of this stuff took place in the UK, also took
place in Canada, in parts of Asia as well, and
in different countries there. But it is primarily a UK
Canada situation, so I'm kind of trusting a bit of
that to go off the initial like what occurred, and
(18:42):
I guess them using their official healthcare terminology right with
the different organizations that were reporting, And it also has
to do with American pharmaceutical companies. So I was a
bit nervous about checking out US reporting just because I
thought there might be I can't believe, but you know
(19:05):
what I mean, I don't know if there's just a
cozy relationship there sometimes, So you know, it's it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
That name really rang a bell with me. It's a
bit of an unusual name. And I did some digging
in the old memory banks and remembered that this guy
actually pitched this as a podcast several years ago and
nothing came of it. And it's such a crazy and
interesting story. I don't quite know what happened. He seems
to have ghosted a little bit unusual because it's such
(19:35):
a fascinating story. There had to have been a reason
that we didn't do it. I kind of seemed to
remember that the guy kind of dropped off the map
a little bit.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I know nothing about that, guys, but I maybe let's
jump into the reporting from BBC just to like have
an understanding based off of what Zach is telling us.
What does a BBC say about this? They're calling it
the Blood Inquiry, the Contaminated Blood Inquiry. In fact, you
can search for what is the Contaminated Blood Inquiry and
(20:07):
you'll find an article written by Nick Triggle tri gg La.
That's very wonderful British name. Oh yeah, so I'm going
to read a bit directly from this article. But ultimately
what's happening in the nineteen seventies and eighties, the United
Kingdom is struggling to keep up with this stuff. That
is it's they call it Factor eight blood caught clotting treatment.
(20:31):
It is for it is to treat people who have hemophilia,
so blood disorder of one sort or another. In this case,
it's the blood is unable to clot properly, so you
can get treated with this stuff. In this this treatment
is a blood transfusion where you are actually getting a
substance let's call it, that's based on blood from a
(20:52):
donor that then goes into your body and allows your
body person with hemophilia to clot properly. Okay, so UK
can't keep up with the demand, so they start importing
stuff from the United States. Now here's the issue. In
the US, A lot of the blood supplies that were
going to US pharmaceutical companies were being donated, and in
(21:17):
this case a lot of those donors were coming from
prison systems and several of them, not all of them, obviously,
but several of those prisoners ended up having contaminated blood
with either HIV or hepatitis C, and somehow or another,
those contaminated samples of blood, those donations made it through
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the system at the pharmaceutical company, made it through the system.
Then that went over to the UK and Canada and
was injected into people via transfusion who did not have
hepatitis C or HIV. Sure be killed until that moment
when they received treatment for the thing they needed. It
was like life saving treatment. Which is just a whole horrifying,
(22:01):
just a series of events.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Right.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
The big problem is how did how did those infected
people get to donate blood? Where was the testing? Where
was the like the protection?
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right was their consent? What was the order of operations? Dude?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
They won't let people that have tattoos donate blood, Like there.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Were people who visited the UK during mad cow disease.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Right, I was saying, like, you know, there was a
communication systematic breakdown at some stage of this this event.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Well, if we're talking seventies and eighties now, remember that's
a good point. We've only known about HIV for a
certain amount of time where we were really starting to
understand it in the mid nineteen eighties, So at that
time when these donations are going out, maybe there wasn't
an understanding right of whether or not or how bad
this would be, what it would be. And also the
hepatitis the thing we were humans like, science was learning
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about that stuff still, and there was a monetary incentive
to donate blood. If you were a prisoner, you would
get paid, right when we're talking about consent, Like what
in my mind, at least with this story, it wasn't
the prisoners being forced to donate. It was more like, yeah,
donate blood, I'm going to get some money. That's the
(23:18):
way it seems. And this is something that went on
for quite a while before it was detected, because again,
when you get that transfusion, you often weren't aware that
you've been infected with anything for a long time, right,
It wasn't until people who receive treatments began to get
very sick and or die that everyone kind of raised
(23:41):
the flag and said, hey, there's a problem here, we
need to investigate. So there is a huge There was
a huge inquiry not long ago, I think twenty nineteen,
there was a large public inquiry in the United Kingdom,
you know, just to gather information. And it's something that
has it continues to happen right now. Wow, I believe
there's still it's still ongoing. So we need to do
(24:03):
a deep dive I think into this, especially the I
guess the processes that went into the donation, the donations
from the Arkansas prison system in particular.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Let's do an episode on the blood trade or blood
donation trade in general. I think right like this, this
is a real thing, quite possibly a real conspiracy.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
The conspiratorial aspect, to your point, would be when people
knew about it, or when institutions knew about it, versus
when they stopped giving tainted blood to two people, two
innocent people. And there's gosh, there's such hypocrisy in blood donation.
It wasn't too long ago that someone's sexual orientation would
(24:51):
dictate whether or not they could donate blood. We mentioned
the mad cow controversy, and you mentioned tattoos as well. No,
the this twenty nineteen in quary you're talking about matt
Is it following up on the earlier UK inquiry, because yeah,
(25:11):
a couple.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, it's been ongoing basically since since that time, and things,
I guess precautions have been put into place. Blood products
of any sort began to be screened for all types
of things, like any donated blood that's going to go
into any product begins getting screened in nineteen ninety one.
Then by the late nineteen nineties, especially for this treatment
(25:35):
is factor eight treatment. There's a synthetic option, so you
didn't actually need human blood donation to make it right,
which is all good stuff for people suffering from hemophilia
that need this type of treatment. But it doesn't stop.
It doesn't change that several thousand people got infected over
(25:55):
the course of decades.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Why is there never news about a blood surplus. It's
always like in the US, there was just a new
thing released this week, maybe even yesterday, as we record
about emergency lack of blood for people who need it,
Like it's just weird. It's always a shortage. It's never
(26:19):
a situation where a country says we have so much blood.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
That would be troubling though, right, It would be a.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Weird headline, now that I say it out loud, you know,
like Romania advertises free blood, more like Transylvania.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Am I right?
Speaker 2 (26:35):
We heard the number one holder of blood of what supplies.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
We're kind of known.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
For our blood, having a fire sale of blood. Blood, blood, blood,
all the blood must go.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
This is a real problem though, right, evidenced by the
the timeline of investigations and the levels of government into
which these investigations have risen.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Oh yeah, absolutely so. If you want to learn more,
you can also search the Contaminated Blood Scandal Hemophilia Society.
That's h A E M O P h I L
I A society search for that. There's a great write
up there. Again, this is stuff you can find everywhere
as well, El Juzira The Guardian if you want to
(27:23):
learn more about it on your own, But if not,
we're going to hopefully come back with our findings in
a full episode shortly. So for now, thank you, Zach.
We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
And we're back with one more piece of listener mail
mail from you. Yesu, This one comes to us from
tie Gin. This is a great nickname. You can give
yourself a nickname.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
It's nice spelled like the seasoning.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Though no it's Gin. That's the silence D but just
so you can visualize it. But yeah, humble farmer, we
see you. He's a humble farmer. Hu the boy is he?
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (28:08):
This one is a suggestion for a handful of topics
to look into, and I think it's going to be
fun to chat about the three of these right quick,
So let's jump in. Hi, guys, you can call me
tie Jin. Longtime listener, first time writer. First of all,
you guys have mentioned or talked about immortality and cloning
not too long ago. I was wondering if you had
ever read cy teen by C. J. Cherry. There's a
(28:33):
seemingly silent h at the end of Cherry, but that's
how I'm going to say it. If not, I highly
recommend it. It explores cloning and human engineering on a global scale.
It is a very interesting read and makes you consider
the boons and downfalls of such sciences. I'm going to
go through all these and then we'll hit them one
at a time. Secondly, and on a completely different topic,
have you ever covered the disappearance of Harold Holt. He
(28:55):
was a Prime Minister of Australia who had disappeared while
in office in nineteen sixty seven. I haven't done much
research on this, but I'm very curious as to the
possible circumstances of his disappearance. Lastly, on New Year's Day
in Miami at the Bayside Marketplace, apparently there was a
sighting of a ten foot tall alien that caused a
large panic. I'm going to leave it at that so
(29:16):
that we can get to the details of that. In
our conversation. Tai Jen also included some very helpful links
and signed off. So thanks Tijen, Ben you made an
expression as though you were familiar with Cyten by CJ. Cherry.
I read a bit about it on the Internet without
having actually read it, but it sounds like a really
(29:37):
cool piece of prescient sci fi.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh yeah, yeah. Well has always like to point out
the good sci fi is always prescient and fiction only
for a certain amount of time. I just really appreciated that.
Shout out, Tijen and quit pro quo clarice as they say,
shout out to your awesome name. I like your point
about choosing nickname as well, NOL. And this is that
(30:03):
these are three great topics. These are three great things
to explore. I wonder we've talked a little bit about
Harold Holt. These are also great. No, what's your initial
reaction when you read this first topic? Oh?
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Just I mean, like I said, I'm not familiar with
the book, but I'm a huge fan of science fiction
that gets the future right. And it does seem like
this citing series or is it a series? Or is
it just a single book? Does you know? Like I said,
I read some synopsies online. It sounds pretty complex, as
oftentimes some of these types of novels are. But have
(30:39):
you read Citeen Ben by C. J.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
Cherry?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
I read. I want to if I'm remembering this correctly.
I want to say it's just the one book. I
don't think it's a series. But I do remember it
because it was when it was this golden age in
used bookstores where you can get any quote unquote genre
fiction in paperback form for like less than a dollar
(31:06):
if it was a used book. So I went through
a lot of sci fi paperbacks at that time. But
I do think it is. I do think it is
just the one book. I believe. I picked it up
because it won a Hugo Award.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, look look at looking it up now, it does
appear to be just the one book. And Ben, I'm
with you on the mining thrift stories for you know,
fantasy and sci fi novels. I actually stumbled upon a
book called The Wizard's Mole by none other than friend
of the show and UH and owner of the complaints
email box, Jonathan Strickland's father, Brad Strickland. Yeah, and I
(31:44):
haven't read that. Well, it's funny speaking of series versus
one offs. I texted Jonathan when I was at the bookstore,
send him a picture of it for lulls, and he responded,
don't get it. It's the eighth book in a fifteen
book series. You won't have any idea what's going on.
Not The Case with Cyteen by CJ. Cherry, which came
out in nineteen eighty eight, involves a planet that has
(32:08):
become toxic for humans to live on and the necessity
to create kind of capsule communities, capsule colonies like the
biodome kind of situations within the city, and it of
course involves politics, like a lot of the best science
fiction does, and when it's done well, it's not as
(32:30):
snoozy as one might think. I think Star Trek is
a great example of doing politics in a way that
is actually very interesting and educational when it comes to
thinking about the politics of Earth today. But yeah, very
much so. This involves a lot of human cloning and
the idea of these womb tanks incubated incubators called womb tanks,
(32:51):
which I think is a great nomenclature. But I don't
want to give anything away. I actually want to read this.
I may do it as an audiobook on an upcoming trip,
but yeah, let's move on. Thanks for the recommendation. To
the second topic, it was about the Prime Minister of Australia,
Harold Holt. I didn't remember this, but Ben you said
(33:11):
you remember either not necessarily doing a full episode, but
it may have come up in other research. This kind
of disappeared suspiciously, or at the very least suddenly during
a swim a swimming expedition, and he was known for
his love of the swim. He was a big swimmer,
strong swimmer.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
As they say, yes, yes, one of those folks who
would have gotten their cups and said, you know, I
wish i'd been bowl on adulphin shout out to shout
out to folks like trees And as for alien and
fellow ben down under our Australian listeners, you're you're aware
of this, and Matt check me here. I think maybe
(33:49):
it was an Australian listener who tipped us with Harold
Holt way back in the day. For some reason, I'm
associating it with our mysterious Disappearances phase a Llah you know,
dag Hammer, Scold and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Yeah, ah, yeah, yeah, I'm searching through our meta right now, guys,
to try and because it sounds so familiar to me.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I didn't find a full episode on it, and it's flicked through,
I think maybe it's like a cavalcade of where did
these people go?
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Totally well, you know, because of his his you know,
notoriety obviously as a prominent politician, I believe he was
pretty well well liked and his reputations being such a
strong swimmer. This is what of course caused speculation to
take place, you know, around the nature of his disappearance.
(34:41):
And I think it was ultimately ruled like death by
a misadventure, one of those kind of things. But there
is a not to make light of the loss of
a human life. But there was something that I read
in the just a cursory glance through the wiki about
this guy that there was a like a national like
creation center in Melbourne that was named after him, and
(35:04):
an indoor pool and a lot of a lot of
Aussi's apparently find that to be a little bit ironic,
don't you think, But that's sort of the point. You know,
he was known for his love of the water, so
name a pool center after him.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
You know what's funny here, Tijan and Noel and Matt
and everybody tuning in, is that this very evening as
we record, not too long ago, someone released a story
called The Enduring Enigma, Harold Holt's disappearance and the swirl
of conspiracy theories. The most famous theory, which I think
(35:41):
it's quoted often. I can't remember if we mentioned this one,
is that this guy who entered politics at a very
young age. I think he was in his late twenties.
He's like twenty seven years old when he enters politics.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
The idea is that the most popular fringe speculation is
that the entire time he was an OP, he was
an agent of the Chinese government at that when he
was swimming, he wasn't on a recreational swim. He was
instead physically swimming out to meet a submarine from China.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
How presumably containing his handlers.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It doesn't make sense if you ever had to meet
a submarine China Australia.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
I'm bad at geography.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
It has to surface right to do anything.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
You can't go they pick him up.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
They has to surf, which means, unless things are absolutely fubar,
you are on a small boat on the way to
the submarine. That's how those work.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
It's a dinghy sitch, you know. But but the the
story I heard is that he got pulled out with
a rip current. Basically he was just swimming, you know,
as a human swims and water and got rid to
see and that was it.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
I mean, it's the same thing with Jeff Buckley, the gorgeous,
wonderful singer. I say gorgeous, not now referring to his looks,
but he was also a good looking man. But he died.
It was tragically swept away by a strong river current,
you know, and you know, and he was a guy
who was known to swim all the time.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
So it was also Glen Glenn Miller, one of the
most famous musicians at the time of his disappearance. Uh,
the reality is that the ocean is brutal and is
enormous can be left, he lost and the like, I
don't know, there was there was a huge investigation. And
(37:43):
you made a beautiful point earlier, which is that whenever
a prominent public figure dies or disappears, whatever the circumstances,
a certain contingent of the public will have an alternative
explanation her theory. It doesn't For instance, it doesn't matter
like if who's someone who's super famous. If Neil de
(38:07):
grass Tyson today, God forbid, slipped and fell on camera
and like died in that dark lottery of accidental death
or death by misadventure as you put it, then regardless
of how much proof there was around the circumstances of
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that demise, there would inevitably be a group of people
who are like, here's what really happened, you know what
I mean? You got to look at the diet cokes
in the green room and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
It's true. He was going to let it slip that
the Earth is actually flat.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
That's why they got him big, big round, get them
big round. I mean. The Herald Hole story, though, is
still really troubling because it hasn't like they've never found
the body, right, habeas corpus ever occurred? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:04):
But you know what else? They never found the bodies off?
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
What's that the shadow extraterrestriels that were chilling in Miami?
Speaker 1 (39:12):
No, they never whence those shadows?
Speaker 4 (39:15):
Right?
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Like what's making the shadows?
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (39:18):
Maybe we break down that for the context, because I
know we again we talked about earlier this week. We're
just hanging out. Uh, but what's the what's the scoop?
How can we do that in like a headline version?
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Well?
Speaker 2 (39:29):
Shoot, I don't even know all the details, guys. I've
gotten most of the information from Instagram reels that I
could not I could not find any confirmation about the facts.
And then the stuff you can find to confirm is like, oh, yeah,
there were some teens at the mall and they had
an altercation, so fifty cop cars showed up.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Yeah, but it was apparently fifty teens. Sorry not to
spoil it, but yeah, tell me no, well, no ten
foot tall alien at the Miami Galleria what, Yeah, it's
a mold. I know they could have used the press.
But you know, there's a video that made you know,
remember like that those people in the backyard. Wasn't that
in Florida? And there was exposedly an alien, like a
(40:11):
glimpse of an alien.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
But there's people in a back But there are a
lot of those videos, there are.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
And I saw the video for this one, and it's
overhead shot with all the cop activity, which involves flashing
blue lights, y'all, which is something that's often heralded that
are associated with the appearance of extraterrestrials, and there is
the the detail I can only assume is what people
are talking about, is this blurry form behind one of
the flashing blue lights that apparently is nothing more than
(40:38):
three police officers walking in a line together. But when
you look at it with the angle of the elevated shot,
the overhead shot, it's harder to make out what's the
word I'm looking for kind of orientation, So the side
by side of them almost appears to be stacked because
you're seeing it blurred, So it does look like a
you know, the scale of it's all all wow out
(41:00):
so you can't quite tell what you're looking at, but
it does appear to be a large atall form face.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Out of ours. Yeah, paradolia, right, that's probably right. Yeah,
that's from a January eighth, twenty twenty four post on
x formerly known as Twitter. There there's something I saw
right now. Actually, forgive me, guys for googling and searching
while we're while we're on the air, but it looks
(41:26):
like just earlier today, holy spokes. Yeah, at four five
pm today, someone came out and said, the Miami Police
have refuted the allegations that there was an alien invasion.
So good on you, miamipd.
Speaker 3 (41:44):
The quote specifically, I believe hang on, nothing is being
with help from the public. No aliens, UFOs or ets.
No airports were closed, no power out it is I
love it that they led with no aliens, you haves
and not the like more practical the response of the
(42:05):
airports and power outages.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
But of course they're gonna say that, why do you
need fifty cop cars. I don't care how many teens
are fighting, there aren't fifty squad cars immediately available unless
you call like you literally do a calling all cars
for all of Miami.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Right, And also let me point out that if it's
fifty teens and then it's fifty cops, that parent to
student ratio is way higher than what you would see
in Miami public schools.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah, Miami goes hard, dude, Miami gets lit.
Speaker 1 (42:38):
I don't you know. I love Miami. Got a lot
of contacts in Miami. We're listening to the show right
now and can continually invite it. But I just feel
like I'm fro Do when I go there. Everybody's so
cool and so beautiful, and then I'm like, you know what,
I'm like Frodo in the Land of the Elves when
I go to Miami.
Speaker 3 (42:56):
You know, I thought Frodo was pretty cute. Thanks, man,
Elijah Wood type fellow, you're a bit of an Elijah
Would esque figure.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Ben.
Speaker 3 (43:04):
You can hold your own against the elf any day
of the week. Now, I've never never been to Miami,
but it does seem like the kind of place that
Aliens would rock, you know, they'd be like that place
seems wild. Let's check that out.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
Sure, why not do what we want? It'll be under
the ocean and you know pretty soon.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
So we always just think of the movie Spring Breakers,
which is a Florida man kind of situation, and the
character that James Franco plays somewhat problematically borrowing maybe not problematically,
well neither Twitter f raft in and of himself may
be problematic, but borrowing Riff Raff's whole game the rapper,
and his name of course in the film is Alien,
which I always thought was kind of funny and ironic.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Now we do have to we do have to point
out something that I think you're getting toward there, Matt,
which is the teams, like the kids in this situation
are real. It's projected that there was roughly fifty kids.
We were talking about this again earlier and they were,
I think, what was it like shooting fireworks at other
(44:04):
people at the mall. They were doing the thing where
you go into a small brick and mortar store with
a big group of people and you sort of count
on the idea that their maximum staff amount is going
to be three to four folks, and then you just
if you go in there with therefore like fifteen to
twenty folks on your side, then you can just grab
(44:26):
whatever you want.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, I've seen that too. I think it's just we're
in this place now where everything gets muddied so quickly
because there are so many loud voices on social media
that get I guess, more attention paid to them than
even the written article from the journalist who got paid
a salary to write that and to investigate it and
(44:50):
make phone calls and find out what's going on. So
it in my mind, the alien stuff is so much
more prominent and interesting that I it's almost as though
my eyes look to that because that's cooler than ohs,
there are some younger people fighting.
Speaker 1 (45:07):
You know, yeah, and not just investigative research, investigative journalism.
It's not just phone calls. It's also digging through, actually
reading through all sorts of things that are perhaps by
design not page turners, not fun to read. And like
the I think you're right. It reminds me of what
(45:27):
we were talking about earlier this week when Davos we
don't always agree with Davos, folks, when Davos pointed out
that AI misinformation is a genuine short term threat, and
this this sort of hall of mirrors that are facing
each other, reflecting nothing. It creates a feedback loop and
(45:48):
an echo chamber. What are you what are you going
to say? You're gonna like if you're the person who
is trying to get attention in the dopamine casino, are
you going to go with a headline it says cops
cracked down on children launching fireworks? Or you're going to
go with a headline that says aliens of Miami and
then just cover your ass with a question mark at
(46:10):
the end. Yeah, I yield my time. Sorry, I feel
you on that now.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
No, you said it all, Ben, you said it all,
but man, huge thanks to tij In for the excellent topics.
It sounds to me like we're going to do a
deep dive episode on the blood transfusion scandal over there
in Arkansas and looking forward to that one.
Speaker 1 (46:34):
And with that we have much more ahead in coming evenings, folks,
think so much, do Zach. Thanks to Humble Farmer, Thanks
to ties In, Thanks to everyone who chose to spend
some time the only real currency of this world with us.
Fellow conspiracy realist, if you would like to join the show,
we would love to have you over on the air
(46:56):
in one form or another. We have so many ways
to be in contact with you.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
That's right. You can find it to the handle Conspiracy Stuff,
where we exist on several places on the internet. Those
are Facebook, x and also YouTube. We are Conspiracy Stuff show,
however on Instagram and TikTok, and I'm just gonna second
what Matt said on the last episode. Check out the Instagram,
(47:22):
check out the YouTube. Write a comment. We've got some
fun videos. We put a lot of thought and time
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kind of runs the gamut, but worth checking out for sure.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
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