November 16, 2023 • 54 mins
Conspiracy Realists from across the world hip Ben, Matt and Noel to updates on the Australia mushroom poisoning case. A new example of desalination. Callers weigh in on Bigfoot. Over in Schuylkill, locals find themselves plagued by a continuing series of bizarre messages hidden in products sold at various stores. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
They call me Ben, and we're joined as always with
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your reactions without further ado. We're going to get into it.
We promise some heist earlier in the week. We might
get to those new promises. We're gonna We're gonna learn
how to pronounce schoolkill River. We're also going to talk
a little bit about bigfoot and classification codes before we
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do any of that. What do you think, gentlemen, should
we should we start with should we go to desalination?
Or should we talk immediately about the main thing people
have contacted us about over the past week and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Jeez, what is that? Guys?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That is an update from our contacts in Australia as
well as other points north. I mean no offense Australia,
but most other points or points north nor Yeah, so Matt,
maybe we throw to you. Brought us a story a
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while back on a strange news segment about an Australian
resident named Aaron Patterson who was involved in a very
suspicious and fatal dinner.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes. Yes, as of this past Thursday, well, I guess
it's Thursday, November two. She has been arrested and for
and be charged for murder homicide.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
This is the third update, or we had the original
and there was an update where there was a whole
thing about like what was it some products that like
was found in a in a dump or something like that,
and then like motives started to kind of circulate. This
is like, wow, this is a real update onak out
Yeah know about this.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
She was charged with murder and she is denying all wrongdoing,
at least at the time The Guardian and other outlets
we're writing about this last week as we record, it's
five counts of attempted murder in three murder charges.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Has not been convicted. Thank you to the multiple people
who reached out to us in various platforms, including our
email conspiracydiheartradio dot com, as well as Instagram messages. A
couple bits on x FKA Twitter. We're keeping an eye
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on this thing. And you know, I thought we were
very even handed when we said, look, we are not
expert micologists. We are not we're certainly not experts in homicide.
But I think all three of us, Matt, when you
first brought this to us, I think all three of
us agreed it didn't look five y five.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And no it didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And these charges that you know are against her right now,
they're not just for this one incident where you know,
family members came and died at her home after she
made them a meal. There are three attempted murder charges
that relate to three other incidents between twenty twenty one
and twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
We talked about the possible mo O too, if I
recall correctly.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Just dehydrating.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
The progress was found. Yeah, a food dehydrator was found.
That's when we got you know, I had to get
schooled on what a tip is. That's the garbage, that's
garbage dump, you know, because you tip it in or
whatever like from those the larger trucks, they tipped the
back into the tip. But yeah, dehydrating these particular mushrooms
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that would that were claimed to have come from some
sort of Asian market, which didn't make any sense on
any scale.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
And feenophobic to be honest, that is.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I didn't even think about that at the time, but
that did just occur to me, that's true.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, beware the Patterson Wellington boys.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yes, beware beware. Also now, I like how that sounds
like the beginning of a sea shanty.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Do you guys remember when we were out in Los
Angeles a little while back and we started doing street shanties.
I can't remember we were. We were outside some steak
restaurant or something.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Correct, and.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yes, just a bit. Well, how else are you gonna
do it? A street chancy?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, So the Wellington is like we're talking about like
a like a like a meat wrapped in pastry. That's
the rolled in mushrooms. Whether they call that, there's a
name for the the mushroom bit. I made one of
these for Christmas ones and they're delightful. But what a
great way to sneak in a deadly ingredient that you
would not immediately clock as having a particular flavor because
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there's so many other flavors in a dish like this mustard.
You know, lots of things to the skies, any ill.
You know, any ill tastes.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And it's tricky to cook. Also, you know, the idea
of poisoning people, it's I think a lot of times
people underestimate how efficient authorities can be about tracing some
kind of poison. You know, the days of the days
of the old noir detective tails stab yeah, stabbing someone
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with an ice pick or something, because you know, the
ice pick melts. Those days are long gone. Well.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
But I mean, even like we talked about recently, Ben,
I think you wrote us a story about a serial
killer in Asia who had been poisoning people serially, and
we had all these questions about how it wasn't discovered
sooner despite there being you know, obviously the best detectives
on the case. And were we answer those questions in
terms of it is not immediately clear that this is
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the cause of death, But then there are signs if
you know what you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I just posted in a chat. We don't have to
go over this story. But there was another recent story
on one of our favorite sources, read it slash r
slash offbeat about a mother and daughter that planned to
kill the dad this guy named Harold peanut L Allen Junior.
(06:53):
Oh right, they like.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Were texting with peanut L.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, yeah, but they were texting with each other about
how to murder they with different poisons and his float.
No doubt they did it. They killed him. And when
when the sheriffs count When the Jackson County Sheriff's Department
showed up to question the mother, Marsha Allen, I guess
she took her own life soon after that because she
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knew what would happen. But she gave her cell phone up,
so they looked through all the text messages and it's
this crazy tangled web of a story about how the
daughter then thought she was owed money, didn't get that money,
so she hired two guys that she knew to go.
I guess ransacked the mom's house to try and gette.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
For the movie. Dude, I mean jesus, this is wild.
This is like a Fargo season.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
The day Lion, the Daylone will come out first, if
my if my girlfriend is correct. So so the thing
here is that Matt, I'm glad you brought this up
because I haven't tracked that past the headline. One anti
freeze now you'll get caught. Two semi related, tangentially related.
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Our old pal bee keeper put together some you know,
we've been talking about whether or not we're going to
go to deaf Con at some point, and our old
pal beekeeper sent me a pretty tasty look curated list
of some def Con talks for us will send off air.
But I still think people just don't understand that your
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text messages, no matter how secure you feel they are,
are easily the first thing law enforcement is going to go.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
For and WhatsApp.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Oh yes, your WhatsApp and shout out, but shout out
to your TikTok now.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But they are encrypted though to a degree, And we
have had situations where like Apple wouldn't give up, you know,
the encryption key to a locked phone, So it does
require them to have access to your device. I mean
like there is end to end encryption on WhatsApp and
on on Apple you know messages.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I guess the point is if there's a homicide or
a serious crime involved, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Also, yeah, court famously discriminating, right.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Well, no, I mean, I'm sorry. I don't mean to
be petulant here, but there was a whole thing where
there was a serious murder and Apple refused to grant
a backdoor entry to someone's phone that would have helped
solve the case because it would have set some kind
of precedent. So I am interested in, like how these
texts surface because you literally can't get into my phone
if you don't have my number, and can they subpoena
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the records? But if they're in the and encryptied, how
do they do that? Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Conversations are a whole conversation for another For an episode,
I would pause it because the the shoegaze boys are
pretty up on their stuff and they're they're also the
source of a lot of those zero day exploits or
day day one exploits that get hidden from private industry,
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So you'd be surprised, you know what I mean, Maybe
you're right we should do an episode on that. Before
we do that, let's hang out with our fellow listeners
after that update. Thank you to so many people too
many to name who wrote to us immediately with the
update on the Patterson case In Australia. We have been
sharing a fascination with the role of water in the
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world for many years now, Matt. Most recently you were
discussing the accelerating, escalating situation there on the Gulf Coast
in Louisiana, specifically with saltwater versus fresh water and all
the import.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Which is okay now, which is New Orleans is good
to go there there, Jesus. Yeah, And they've been good
to go since mid October a little, I think the
eighteenth of October they gave the all clear, like, hey,
we mitigated situation and we've had sufficient rainfall and all
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So so it's just for next year now.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Well, yeah, and it's just for the people who live
closer to the Gulf right further I guess south than
New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And and this spurred a lot of conversation with our
fellow listeners, our fellow conspiracy realist Noll. There's one that
stood out to you, correct.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, it's from my favorite nickname I think in all
of stuff they don't want you to know, and Hobo Bobo,
honking on bobo. You guys know what that is? Honking
on bobo.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I do not.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I think it's an aerosmith like like greatest Hits, perhaps,
but I think it just means playing the harmonica honk
honking on Bobo. That could be wrong. Oh yeah, you
honking you know I get that part. Yeah, okay, I'm
not Bobo might be a reference to a particular bluesman,
you know, of notes.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Their fourteenth album.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, it was an album and I think they went
real woozy woozy on that one. But Hobo, Bobo was
worried about you, Matt. He was concerned. He wanted to
he I'm joke, He wasn't really worried about you. He
just wanted to give you a little grain of hope.
And I think he did that. And thank goodness to
the situation that led to your rabbit hole around the
rising saltwater levels in places where that shouldn't be happening.
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Glad that situation was more or less mitigated. But what
came up a lot and having conversations around these topics
was like, what's up with desalination? You know, how how
do we scale that? And we you know, we talked
about how it's it's ultimately a very expensive proposition. It
requires a lot of infrastructure, you know, I think one
of the things weren't they, Matt, in that New Orleans situation,
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like literally dumping fresh water into the water with like
big barges and stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I can't remember if they were bringing that fresh water
in for the populations that needed fresh water, or if
they were actually using it to try and make a gay.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It would maybe make more sense that they would give
it directly to the people, But I'm interested to know.
I would love an update on that one, Matt, and
how they mitigated it, because the last update we had
it was still signing pretty dire. But honking on Bobo
aka Hobo Bobo, Sorry, Hobo, I have this to say here,
Bobo bobo here to feed into Matt's recent apparent fascination
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with water, and he sends us a link to an
article from a publication called what is It Interesting engineering
dot Com. The headline is a wave powered desalination machine
filters forty nine thousand liters of water daily. Wow, this
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is like a pretty reasonably sized craft. It's not ain't
no barge. This is like more like a like a
like a skiff, you know, or a catamaran you know.
What's another fun name for a vessel? Schooner, a schooner. Admittedly,
I can't quite tell the scale from the image because
it's literally surrounded by water, but from the size of
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the waves and just the way it's framed, maybe we'll
get into some some specifics. But this is another one
of these things that does read like a press release
because it is. It is a press release essentially that
has been turned into an article. No shade on the writer, Palaya.
It's a great name. By the way, ameya plea if
I'm pronouncing that right. This is what happens. You know,
we did one recently, Matt that you brought about some
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kind of clean up thing or it was the Zoo
the thing the company that was like named after a
particular type of zebra.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Oh yeah, we're they're obliterating pfas.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's the one. Yeah, exactly. So this is, you know,
similar deal to that. It's a it's a it's an
exciting new technology coming out that this this website is
reporting on Onika Technologies, a Canada based startup, has unveiled
its environment friendly desalination technology that works by using power
from the waves at sea. This environmentally friendly approach could
help countries tend to the water needs of their population
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without worrying about it's climate impact. Out of the total
water available on the planet, just about three percent is
fresh water that can be used. The rest is salty
sea water unusable for drinking or industrial usage, and desalination
plants have helped put this water to some use. But
like we said, they go on to say, it's an
energy intensive process and none of it comes from renewable resources.
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So that's another problem. It's like you're sort of like
robbing Peter to pay Paul kind of I guess where
it's like sort of a zero sum game in terms
of like the balance of bad things you know that
you're putting into the world or taking from the world,
and that goes on. According to the International Desalination Association,
that's a mouthful. Desalination plants have doubled in the past
decade and the sector is expected to grow at nine percent.
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In such a scenario, an environment friendly solution would be
helpful in a world looking to move away from fossil fuels.
And again, this thing, this craft is powered by waves.
Let's see. Well, the apparently conventional desalination plants used thermal
or membrane type of technology or type of processing thermal.
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In that situation, it requires heat, intense heat that heats
the sea water and causes it to evaporate, leaving the
salt content behind, and then the evaporated water is cooled
and made available for use. Then there's the membrane approach,
where it's passed through what's called a semi permeable membrane
that then takes in the salt, and that is also
very energy intensive, but much better, but I think overall
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much more expensive. In the oneika kind of craft wave
runner approach, it basically uses this floating machine floating craft
that's anchored to the seabed and uses a membrane system
that is actually powered by the waves, and the machine
then also absorbs energy from the waves and converts it
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into mechanical energy which is used to draw in the
sea water. So it's like a kind of like a
filtration closed system, right, So a quarter of the water
is circulated in side the desalination system and purified water
is pumped using mechanical power to the shore. I think
that's enough to get us the idea here.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Well, it's incredible because this whole system works without electricity.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, it's wireless. Man, it's tethered only to the floor
for you know, to do what it's doing, but it's
not being fed any power by anything.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Ah Man. Wave technology like this is so cool to me.
Just the back and forth movement of waves that are
going to be occurring and then harnessing that to do
something like push salt water through a filtration system and
then use that same force to pump it to a
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usable outlet right where human beings can then make use
of it. That's freaking amazing to me.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Super cool. And Hobo Bobo had this to say, fantastic
news if scalable and actually used. To be clear, I
didn't read any other articles about this, because, like you said,
this is definitely one of these examples of like a
press release that's converted into a little short blurb. But
hopefully given the climate literally the climate change, we're gonna
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start hearing more about it, he says. From this one
it does seem promising. Hopefully you've already seen this. I hadn't.
I don't think we had, he says, But I'm listening
to old episodes of stuff to blow your mind. Red
Handed and Daniel J. Jorge explain the universe so I'm
not current on stuff that I want you with the
moment you are. Those are great choices, they are great shows.
And it sounds like he's going to catch up eventually,
(18:28):
so you can hear me call him a mean name
out of love. Out of love.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
This is incredible. Actually, it should be known that in
order for this thing to function, you've got to have
three foot waves. So guys, imagine a three foot wave, right,
not huge, but the kind that you could probably body
surf on. Pretty well, I would just say, those aren't
in my experience, they're.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Not everywhere, They're not constant, right, Yeah, what was the number? Ben?
Could you shop us with some cocktail math on this one?
Like it said it could do in the and based
on the headline, it said it could do forty nine
thousand liders a day. So, like, what does that translate to,
like in terms of like the population, you know, like
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in functional terms.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Well, thirteen thousand gallons? Right, So then imagine a gallon
of water, a single gallon of water, and then multiply
by thirteen thousand that's what you'd get.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Well, Ben, does this seem like scalable to you? Is
that enough to make a dent or are we just
kind of pissing in the wind here?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
The argument would be that at this point, pissing in
the wind is better than not pissing at all, regardless
of or pissing in your pants or pissing in your pants.
The average human being needs about little more than three
leaders of water per day to survive. I think it's
three point seven leaders for guys or male identifying dudes,
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two point point seven or so for female identifying people.
And this follows up with an episode we did years ago.
I had this long standing obsession for a while. You
guys will recall I was convinced that the next World
War resource would be potable water. Desalination technology is amazing,
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and sure, hobo bobo to the point, it may be
tempting to dismiss this kind of stuff as a press release,
but we have to understand that as research continues here,
this is going to be one of the mission critical
pieces of innovation for the human species to continue. So
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in terms of how this will scale, probably the best analog,
and I'm not a hydrologists, probably the best analog to
look at here would be the tremendous breakthroughs that have
been made in wavepower to your point matt wave powered
energy initiatives. Especially in the Northern European theater, there's a
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lot of great mobile hydro electric stuff happening. Also shout
out to something we may never get to. The Nation
of Turkey has mobile power plants that they are using
as extortionate diplomacy. Unrelated story for another day. Desalination awesome.
I hope more research continues in this field.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Remember its modular nol so I was gonna mention, Yeah,
you could combine these, but I guess if you spread
these out, you know, in large bodies of water and.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Have them going constantly, at the very least, you could
stockpile this stuff and save it up for like, you.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Know, when this really hits the van, there you go.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It's nothing but good if it works as advertised, I
would say so. In the modular aspect, well, I don't
fully understand what that means. I think I kind of do.
I mean their modular in that their discrete units, each
one them is independent.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But it looks like they're designed to have multiple set
up in an array, and then you can connect the
systems together into one like output super output.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
That makes sense. I see what you're saying, yeah, because
there's a couple images on the article where they look
quite different from one another, Like there's one that looks
you can definitely see the scale because you can see
a much smaller boats next to it, and it's even
smaller than those. It looks like more the size of
a buoy. And then you've got this image of the
top that looks like a much larger version. So maybe
there's like little kind of theater units that all kind
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of go. It's really cool. Thank you, Hobo Bobo. We're
going to take a quick break and come back with
some more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And we've returned, guys, we are jumping to the phone
lines to hear a couple messages regarding the old bigfoot
sighting on the railway. We mentioned a couple of.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Weeks back, that wiggly fella mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So our first message comes from old friend of ours
a frame.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Hey, guys, it's a frame again. And as I was
listening to you guys talking about the bigfoot that was
recorded on the Durango to Silver Tin narrow Gage railway
a couple of weeks ago, I saw that and I
thought of you guys, but also when I saw it,
I thought about how we are in mountains up here,
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and we love the concept to Bigfoot. It's a constantly
running thing up here, and if you drive up the
Pike's Peak Highway you'll see wooden frames of him in
the trees. So if you drive at dusk, we kind
of see him going around the corner. Won't even really
like quite processed whether or not it was real, and
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people like to put those in their yards. It's a
pretty common thing to do. So the thought of a
guy in a gaely suit walking around the train because
it's funny is very likely to me, and I do
think it's pretty funny, especially with how serious it was taken.
You can see the way he just saunters, sees the recording,
sits down, make sure he's being watched. It's perfect, nicely done,
(24:14):
beautiful prank. It's what you do. It's fun. I don't
know how many people actually do believe, but the joke
in wanting to is very very popular, and especially putting
the cutouts and roads where they can be seen for
a flash second, that's like a really popular thing. But
other than that, thanks to the show, I hope you
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guys have a great week.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So guys, there we go.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
We mentioned some of those bits. I think we were
sort of banding around like some of the possible scenarios.
But there is a performative quality to the movements of
this character.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Well yeah, and I guess I was unaware of how again,
at least according to Aprin, how popular a joke it
is that Bigfoot is just there, or not even a joke,
like a just a piece of lore, like to the
point where you would buy or create a cutout of
Bigfoot and put it in various places on your lawn
somewhere or in the trees on your property, just to
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be like, yep, there's Bigfoot, like the.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Uh, what is it like the frogman?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, kind of like that exactly. And right after listening
to that message from aFrame, we got another message from
someone I'm gonna call anonymous ASP and you know why
I'm calling you that, ASP, But it was a similar message.
So I'm gonna play that too, and then we can
just check quickly about this stuff.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Hey, guys, what's up.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
I'm not even gonna say my name because I use
this prank a lot. Just listening to your strange news
about the Bigfoot in Colorado. I'm from Colorado and I've
taken that train many times. There are places to drop
people off along that route and it'll pick them up
the next day or days or weeks later so.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
They can go camping. And it is a sting in
Colorado to dress as a bigfoot or a bear to
scare the out of tourists. It's a thing. So I
don't doubt that that was somebody just trying to play
a print, because that happens all the time in central
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and rural Colorado, just saying bye guys.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Thank you dude. That's why the local perspective is so helpful,
like across the board, you know. And I mean that
even wasn't the New York Times that reported on those
that with a bit of a wink and a nod
and all of the writing. It was just almost like
an opportunity to write about some bigfoot stuff. I don't
think anyone was really truly conjecturing this thing was real.
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But when you hear from just call that's super cool.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I think it was just nice to hear from people
who live right there, right and exactly I had. I
had a family member who used to live out that
way in Durango and would take that line. And actually
I have never actually been on, but I have some
personal experience, like right, secondhand personal experience. I guess of
stories on that particular line and just how remote it is,
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but also how people do just get off and get
out in the cold and just go for a while
on there on foot. Basically I guess the way anonymous
ASP is discussing there. All right, Well that's it. That's
the bigfoot stuff for today. We got one more quick thing, guys.
This is an email we received keeping it on the
ASP tip from someone calling themselves Isotope Viper. So here
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we go. Oh, and this message is a callback to
an episode from almost exactly a year ago titled how
federal classification works and why It's a problem. Here is
Isotope Viper's message, gents. It's a great opening line here, guys,
I work for the DoD. Oh do we need to
burn our computers?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Not gonna do it?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Okay, No, here we go. I work for the DoD.
We received we have to computer update today, giving us
a new system of email classification. Here are some of
our new quote related to categories. So before we continue on,
let's jump down to this screenshot slash picture that was
(28:18):
taken and sent to us of the related two categories
that are brand new. I just wanted to point some
of these out for everyone. So this is a list
of what looks like selectable related to categories for classifying
email communications. And in here I'll read the top one
(28:38):
because it's the name that was chosen by this person
contacting us, isotope viper. Do you guys have any like,
what do you think isotope viper could be?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Honestly, do you know?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I want to say, some sort of radioactive snake.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Oh maybe okay, some kind of strike with a dirty weapon.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Maybe there you go, there you go.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
What's the next one?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Out of the full list, I would say there are
counting isotope viper. There are six in total that have
a bit of a umami to them. The next one
going down, as you asked, Matt, is ivy.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Ghost ivy ghost. See Like, I want to believe there's
symbolism or something, but it may be that they're just
pulling names up, because this isn't like the NATO alphabet, right,
or the alphabet that you would use with Alpha, Bravo
and all that stuff. These are fun code names. I
guess ivy ghosts.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
I think that wraps around and the issue is that
it's there's no use in classifying a program if the
name of the program clearly indicates the nature of the
program exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
That's why it's mk Ultra instead of tripping cities or something.
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, it's true. But weirdly enough, there's like on this
list you also have things like NATO and Ato. Do
you think that has something to do with Nato? Probably?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Maybe it's NATO. The Japanese fermented beans which are soybeans,
which are terrible. They taste like diapers. Yeah, And I
say that as a person was not eating a diaper
to my knowledge, So the closer I got was eating
the fermented soybeans.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Nato.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I'm taking aim at it. If you listen to Daily
Zeitgeist right to Miles Gray and let him know I said.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
So, yeah, take that.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
But also just to that point, Ben JPN is on
this list, Like, is that Japan? No, maybe it's just
JPN because Koar is on here too, which I hear that,
and I hear Knights of Old Republic. I don't know
about anybody else. That's what I hear.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
What is how do we pronounce is it nibel wolf
like bible or is it nibble wolf?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I think it, Well, there's not two bees. Yeah, so
it's gotta be nibel wolf. But nibble wolf sounds. What
about what about nebo wolf?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Maybe they're pronouncing it a different way. Maybe there are
silent letters in there. Nible Yeah, maybe it's voof And
then of course NCRO or nichrome spike and lunar arrow.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
That goes back to the point about the notion of
classifying program in general. Right, if it is about shooting
the moon, maybe don't call it lunar arrow. It's like,
here's our secret operation. What's it called? Operation secret operation?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, Operation Nights of the Old Republic. All right, so
here we go. Let's go back to the email really quickly. Guys,
that's that list. Is Stope Viper says, I recognize several,
but there's some pretty interesting stuff in there. Also, Operational
Research Consultancy or con oor con is something I heard
(31:51):
about today which you may find interesting. Care to shed
any light on any of this? I suppose you can
call me isotope Viper after my favorite item on the list,
Stave Frosty Isotope Viper.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Ooh stay Frosty all right? Challenge accepted my friend Yeah,
or Con learned about it by watching you dad. If
you are if Isotope Viper is not our parents, but
but or Con map from what I can tell is
h Yeah, it's an interesting pickle. There's some onions to it,
(32:23):
and I.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Was, I don't understand it. Can I just say I
researched this for today's episode, and I don't understand what
it is outside of operate or originator controlled classification, Yes,
which which means I still don't understand it. In my head,
it means where this information is originating, coming from, starting
(32:47):
from and then being able to follow it down the
chain to wherever it leads, like whoever else gets this information?
But I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Right, that's my take too. It is controlled by the
people who created it, right, which doesn't always happen. And
you know, folks, a lot of times in any large
government you would be surprised by how much energy is
spent on what we would recognize as turf wars. Who
controls this? Right? Is it InCom? Is it DoD? Who
(33:19):
gets to make the calls on budget? That's always that's
always a funny conversation, and I still Viper. There are
a lot of things here that I think none of
us recognize. It is fun to your point, Matt, It
is fun to guess at them. In my favorite of worlds,
(33:41):
the ones that are two words put together Luneo, night mesa,
ivy ghosts, et cetera, and my favorite of worlds, those
are all painfully awkward acronyms, you know what I mean,
Like ivy ghosts. If we've freestyled on that one, that
would be like internal verification yonder, what's a good word
(34:04):
that starts with why?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yacht unclear?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Oh, internal, internal vestige, yacht garamond, whatever, You know what
I mean. We'll have to work on these and maybe
we can include them in a future in a future show.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I think we should. This is really cool. It's weird
to actually look at it like this. Thank you, IstoE, Viper,
Thank you a frame and anonymous asp for right into
us this week. We are gonna hear a quick word
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Speaker 1 (34:43):
And we have returned. Let's go to a person that
I would like to call right, said Fred, Because Fred
you said we could call you Fred. It didn't give
us a cool, obscure nickname, so we're going to We're
gonna call you right said Fred, or drop dead Fred,
(35:03):
Matt and Old. Do you guys have a preference.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It's hard to choose. I did get taken the task
by a listener on Instagram. I forget Please forgive me,
I I've forgotten their name. Who scolded me saying right,
said drop dead Fred did not in fact ruin the
life of the character that was his well, that he
was her imaginary best friend. He empowered her to take
(35:27):
charge of her life. I obviously was misremembering the movie.
So I would opt for right, said, because I know
what his deal is. He's just too sexy for all
the things.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Just call him savage.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Very well, So drop dead right said Fred aka Street
named Savage says, Hey, guys, love the show fairly new
listener one year, but it has become a daily joy
of mine. Listening to whatever things you have posted and
the classics. Thank you, Strange News is my favorite part
of the show. Since discovering your show, I'm always looking
for something to write to you about. Well, perhaps I
(36:01):
did stumble into something that I have found very interesting
in the classic conspiracy freemason rhetoric.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
On Reddit.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
About two years ago, I noticed someone posted a weird
coded note they had found inside of their sealed box
of pockey. Weird note, says our Palfred. They bought this
at a local grocery store in school Skullkill County, Pennsylvania.
I read it, thought it was a curious mystery. Someone
(36:30):
translated it and well that was that.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
But it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Thank you for the sound of human fun. More and
more people over the next couple of years kept getting
these notes, but who was doing it? Who might be
behind it? It is happening often enough that recently two
months ago, someone started a sub on the notes. More
and more people are getting them sub here editorial note
refers to subreddit, so you can go to Schoolkill Notes
(36:58):
the subreddit, and Fred said, I am not a moderator
of the sub I have not received one of the notes,
but it scratches that part of my brain that wants
to blow this into a Dan Brown novel. The only
news source I've found that has given it any notice
is the local county paper, Cole Region, Canary. And Fred,
you shared this with US residents keep finding bizarre printed
(37:22):
messages in grocery items. I would love to hear your
thoughts on this. I hope you guys find this interesting
and if not, at least I finally had a reason
to write in love the show. Appreciate all the hard
work you guys do. As you can say by the email,
this is my name. You can call me Fred. Thanks
and thank you Fred. Because this is interesting. It seems
(37:44):
to ride the line between Discordianism if we remember that
one and you know, a little bit of hacking, but
also some potentially dangerous propaganda. If you guys are okay
with it, I would like to put read one of
the messages that was found here.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Neil, let's do it all right.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
So this is from the Cold Region, Canary, published by
Canary Commenter, which I suspect is not their real name.
So but you know, apologies if that is your real
name and your parents are weird. So one story. One
note was found in a bit of over the counter medication.
(38:26):
This note is folded up and it reads the following.
There are a lot of abbreviations here. We're going to
give you the full audio pronunciation, but just know this
is riddled with strange cultish nomenclature and apostrophes.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Ben Just to be clear, this is found in a
sealed box of something.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
This one is found folded into a bottle package of
infant tail and all whoa, Okay, so this is not
the sealed pockey message.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
This is like those memes that are like careful there,
they're finding some esoteric thing in your kids halloween candy.
But it's like a picture of like a scene from
the Matrix or something like that. You know, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I'm just trying to imagine if it's if it's even
possible that it was inserted by somebody, or if it
had to like originate inside factory.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It's like resealed after entry. Yeah, that's the big question.
So here we go. And there are a lot of
misspellings as well. Lies Secret Societies SS, ties to terrorm
shuts and other crises not reported.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
But JFK.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Warren of SS Europe's arean elite all caps and their
SS fronts parentheses, Vatican Jesuits, Mason Lesser Royalty, leading SS
masquerading as other reals are the Illuminati Secret Rights Signed
CIS Unit SS Oprah Obama put Austin Gates, Dalai Lama Trope,
(39:56):
Ellipses sign one, it goes on or a while, uh,
and it's it's uh. It's kind of like the Toynbee
tiles or the messages from that soap company. Uh. It
doesn't seem to have a clear narrative other than if
(40:17):
you if you read this, which can at Coleregioncanary dot com.
What it seems to be is, in general, an argument
that a cabal of very powerful people in communities are
attempting some kind of false flag crisis to make people
(40:37):
more open or amenable to world government. That seems to
be the spoiler. There's a lot of strange stuff, kind
of word salided in these messages, similar to oh what
was that? What was the guy who thought time square
(40:58):
timecube guy?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it also seems like there's a
ton of purposeful removing of letters to try and fit
everything into this whatever this card stock is, wherever this
piece of paper size is. Like, the word confiscation is
(41:19):
in there, but it's written CEO n fis apostrophe n like,
but you can kind of tell, like if you just
glance at it, you can read gun confisction. But that
my head says confiscation.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
And I'm with you there because I was looking at
this to see whether there was a potential for a
code message of some sort.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
This was about to say, is a zodiac speaking here?
What do we think? This is? Well? Weird.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
There is a bit of internal consistency as far as
parts of words that are removed. So anything that ends
with an I ng the i N tends to be removed.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
There is is more of a tendency for vowels to
be removed rather than consonants. However, what we see is
this is disturbing people in the area and they are
not encountering real world activity connected to this, by which
we mean no one in the county is saying I
(42:22):
ran into someone who told me about these messages or
was taking action based on these messages. Now, according to
the author, if the author is in good faith here,
the people who are taking action are of course the
Let let me go back to that hit list again, Oprah,
(42:42):
Obama putin Austin Gates, Dali Lama, Trump, also the United
Nations and China, and then of course, you know your
side helping of anti Semitic stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Uh dude, Yeah, this is such a great like Reddit
rabbit hole. Yes, looking at some of the stuff you found,
and there's one message just on somebody's granite table here.
They took a picture of it. This one says that
it all goes back, it's all tied to Saturn slash
Lord of the Rings. And at the very end it says,
(43:16):
watch they Live and Dark City.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
To Dark City is on Criterion right now in a
collection of like nineties kind of neo nuir movies. And
I've never seen They Live. And I've been meaning to really.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Fight best fight scene. Sorry, John Wooey, you tried.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
You did it? Really?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah? Oh god, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It's got an incredible fight See it's got Piper.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, fifteen minutes of utter nonsense. And you know, if
you thought the characters in season three Have Lost were
bad at communication, watch that fight scene and they live
that on That was the epitome of not being able
to communicate face to face. And this this idea, like,
(44:01):
as you noted, Fred and as you noted Matt, the
subreddit here is amazing. This is probably one of the
best uses of the platform of Reddit because it is
people with eyes and ears on the ground, sharing theories,
sharing texts, My question is similar to the question we
had about Cicada. Was it three point thirty three three
(44:25):
oh one? Yeah, The question is is this is this
like a culture hack? Is this thing for the lulls?
Is this someone who works in the area who is
dealing with some inner demons of one sort or another?
And Fred, I hate to tell you, at this point
(44:46):
you said you wanted to hear our thoughts on this.
We're going to need some time. We're gonna have to
dig in. We might have to take a little bit
of a road trip, because you're absolutely right, there's not
a ton of news out here. The best source are
the ones you named, the subreddit in particular.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Dude, this is cool. Have you guys read much into
the Saturn theories, like the theories about Satan and Saturn
having a connection in this literal lord of the rings,
like Saturn.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Worship, Satan and Saturn are an anagram of each other.
Because it's not true, but there's to say it with
enough confidence that feels right.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, like it's evil to live backwards shut out.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I would just say there's some deep rabbit holes to
go down in the Saturn the concept that a lot
of people believe that some form of controllers on this planet,
this realm worship Saturn as a thing. I don't know,
it might be worth our time to at least delve
into it.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Saturnalia thing that I make that up. It's a festival,
it's it's like a debauched kind of yeah, Like it's
a lot of it does have some bacchanalian qualities to
it that you might associate with, like which is Sabbath
or you know that kind of Yeah. Again, a lot
of these are cliche sort of like dated references or
(46:05):
dated images. But I think it also is connected or
it's the Roman version of what ultimately became reappropriated as Christmas.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, that part of the calendar is a big time
for parties historically. And and Matt, I think are you
talking about what is broadley called the Atlantean Conspiracy something
like that.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I think that works into it.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Again, it's branching indeed.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Oh yeah, because if there's no real primary source, then
you're in the realm of folklore. That might sound like
a cheap shot, but we guarantee you that's above the belt.
Look into it and let us know your thoughts. Fred
dogs with a ball on this one. Or you know,
Prometheus with fire on this one. We are going to
(46:51):
dig in further. This will be a fun one. We
want to do more paranormal stuff, so this may come
up in a future evening. In the meantime, cut my
part short here. I think we promised our fellow conspiracy
realist some heist. Maybe we end with some fun heist,
(47:12):
just a real quick laundry list of three that popped
up recently. What do you guys think?
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, your nick totally. I mean, over the over the
past couple of years, we've had like spam heists, We've
had syrup maple syrup dimes. You know what, what do
we got? Ben? How can we how can we top those?
Is it even possible?
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Well, I'm so glad you asked. Recently, just in the
past couple of weeks, four men were accused of stealing
a gold toilet. It's worth six million dollars. They did
get caught. No word on whether or not they had
time to poop in it. It was stolen, uh ask right, right,
(47:54):
it's probably you know who knows how they got to it.
It was an eighteen carrot gold toilet from a place
called Blenheim Palace. They stole it in twenty nineteen. They
in September and they finally got arrested. They're all from
London and they were accused of conspiracy to transfer criminal property.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Somebody just had it in their flat.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Someone was just flexing. Yeah, you know, people would come
over to their apartment. They'd be hanging out playing Uno
or what have you, and the guy who was hosting
kept saying, anybody need to poop, guys, anybody got to
use the loop seriously, come in the WC. Yeah, to
the point where it became awkward for their guests and
(48:40):
they were like, hey man, you're kind of weird, Like
no one wants to go in your water closet because
you've made it such a thing. And he's like, are
you sure?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
It's really awesome? I can't tell you really why cool?
Speaker 1 (48:53):
But you should have pooped here.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
As a matter of fact, we don't have to hang
out just you guys. Called me next time you need
to oop. I got some stuff that will blow your mind.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
I'm not nearly as impressed as that as I would
be with one of those fancy Japanese toilets that like
do things to the butt, you know, a gold too. Yeah,
the future, Yes, yes, but the way I said, you
know that, I sound like sounded like Hannibal Lecter describing
buffalo bills. He does things to the skin.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
It's it's true, though, Japan is in the future. Thanks
for the beef fair, Paul. Yeah. Yeah, a toilet that
will sing to you. Some will say reassuring phrases. They'll
wash your butt, they'll dry your butt, they'll heat the seat. Yeah,
eighteen carrot gold toilet.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Not impressed. I'm don't care less.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I'm I love that that rhymed. I'm also terrified of
touching metal with my hands. Much yeah, much less.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
This one doesn't even do butt stuff.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
So it does one butt thing, you know. It does
the same as my freaking porcelain toilet does not impress.
It does the.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Same as a field you know what I mean, as
a field of grass. Anyway, So let's fast forward. There
is a ongoing heist in Ohio. Police have asked for
help trying to figure out who on Earth stole an
entire bridge. They took the whole thing into separate heist.
(50:22):
Yeah in Acrid.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Obviously the troll he is relocating.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, maybe it's like a statement troll troll community statement
about gentrification. This is on the Little Cuyahoga River in
Middlebury Run Park. It's a pedestrian bridge, or it was.
It's fifty eight feet long.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Made of planks, traditional bridge material. We're talking stone, yes, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
So the theft of the bridge began in phases. This
is like a street level otions eleven. Starting on November third,
you called it. The thieves cleared the brush around the bridge,
and then they took the deck boards, and then they
came back and took the rest of the bridge.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Remember that whole deal about London Bridge where it was
like a big thing where they sold it and they
moved it overseas like brick by brick or stone by stone.
That was sanctioned, you know, by the government, and it
took a long time. I have to say, this is
very impressive, and certainly it wasn't the size of London Bridge,
but a bridge of any size is no nothing to
sneeze at in terms of like moving it and what
(51:30):
are you gonna do with it? Put it somewhere else.
It's sort of custom made for where it already was.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
We got to learn more about the underground aftermarket Bridge.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Community yeah, how do you fence a bridge?
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Hey? Points? Okay, okay, But this is why I always say, guys,
we need more surveillance cameras in public parks that have
facial technology. They can identify everybody that might steal a bridge.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Control was mad all along.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
You know what, I don't want to gatekeep bridges here,
but maybe if we want to, if we want to,
if we want to focus on keeping people safe, uh,
in these great national parks of this great nation, then
why don't we have the federal government finally start keeping
(52:20):
track of the people who disappear anyway, anyway, time, anyway. Well,
I will yield time here. I know I squeezed a
lot into this last part of our listener mail segment.
We got to get going. Big shout out to Fred
Hobo Bobo a frame, anonymous ass, Isotope, Viper, everybody who
(52:40):
wrote in to.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Let us Viper's bad ass. That's a badass nickname.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
You agreed, everybody wrote in to let us know about
the Australian mushroom case. And the final word before you
contact us and join up, there was one last heist.
We're just going to give you Calvin Coolidge style two
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(53:07):
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No bull seamen there. Yeah, you're using it like like
a like a bull snip kind of say, okay, I
never mind.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
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We promise some heist earlier in the week. We might
get to those new promises. We're gonna We're gonna learn
how to pronounce schoolkill River. We're also going to talk
a little bit about bigfoot and classification codes before we
(01:13):
do any of that. What do you think, gentlemen, should
we should we start with should we go to desalination?
Or should we talk immediately about the main thing people
have contacted us about over the past week and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Jeez, what is that? Guys?
Speaker 1 (01:30):
That is an update from our contacts in Australia as
well as other points north. I mean no offense Australia,
but most other points or points north nor Yeah, so Matt,
maybe we throw to you. Brought us a story a
(01:50):
while back on a strange news segment about an Australian
resident named Aaron Patterson who was involved in a very
suspicious and fatal dinner.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yes. Yes, as of this past Thursday, well, I guess
it's Thursday, November two. She has been arrested and for
and be charged for murder homicide.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
This is the third update, or we had the original
and there was an update where there was a whole
thing about like what was it some products that like
was found in a in a dump or something like that,
and then like motives started to kind of circulate. This
is like, wow, this is a real update onak out
Yeah know about this.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
She was charged with murder and she is denying all wrongdoing,
at least at the time The Guardian and other outlets
we're writing about this last week as we record, it's
five counts of attempted murder in three murder charges.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Has not been convicted. Thank you to the multiple people
who reached out to us in various platforms, including our
email conspiracydiheartradio dot com, as well as Instagram messages. A
couple bits on x FKA Twitter. We're keeping an eye
(03:15):
on this thing. And you know, I thought we were
very even handed when we said, look, we are not
expert micologists. We are not we're certainly not experts in homicide.
But I think all three of us, Matt, when you
first brought this to us, I think all three of
us agreed it didn't look five y five.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
And no it didn't.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
And these charges that you know are against her right now,
they're not just for this one incident where you know,
family members came and died at her home after she
made them a meal. There are three attempted murder charges
that relate to three other incidents between twenty twenty one
and twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
We talked about the possible mo O too, if I
recall correctly.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Just dehydrating.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
The progress was found. Yeah, a food dehydrator was found.
That's when we got you know, I had to get
schooled on what a tip is. That's the garbage, that's
garbage dump, you know, because you tip it in or
whatever like from those the larger trucks, they tipped the
back into the tip. But yeah, dehydrating these particular mushrooms
(04:26):
that would that were claimed to have come from some
sort of Asian market, which didn't make any sense on
any scale.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
And feenophobic to be honest, that is.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
I didn't even think about that at the time, but
that did just occur to me, that's true.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, beware the Patterson Wellington boys.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Yes, beware beware. Also now, I like how that sounds
like the beginning of a sea shanty.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Do you guys remember when we were out in Los
Angeles a little while back and we started doing street shanties.
I can't remember we were. We were outside some steak
restaurant or something.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Correct, and.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yes, just a bit. Well, how else are you gonna
do it? A street chancy?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, So the Wellington is like we're talking about like
a like a like a meat wrapped in pastry. That's
the rolled in mushrooms. Whether they call that, there's a
name for the the mushroom bit. I made one of
these for Christmas ones and they're delightful. But what a
great way to sneak in a deadly ingredient that you
would not immediately clock as having a particular flavor because
(05:30):
there's so many other flavors in a dish like this mustard.
You know, lots of things to the skies, any ill.
You know, any ill tastes.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
And it's tricky to cook. Also, you know, the idea
of poisoning people, it's I think a lot of times
people underestimate how efficient authorities can be about tracing some
kind of poison. You know, the days of the days
of the old noir detective tails stab yeah, stabbing someone
(06:00):
with an ice pick or something, because you know, the
ice pick melts. Those days are long gone. Well.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
But I mean, even like we talked about recently, Ben,
I think you wrote us a story about a serial
killer in Asia who had been poisoning people serially, and
we had all these questions about how it wasn't discovered
sooner despite there being you know, obviously the best detectives
on the case. And were we answer those questions in
terms of it is not immediately clear that this is
(06:29):
the cause of death, But then there are signs if
you know what you're looking for.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I just posted in a chat. We don't have to
go over this story. But there was another recent story
on one of our favorite sources, read it slash r
slash offbeat about a mother and daughter that planned to
kill the dad this guy named Harold peanut L Allen Junior.
(06:53):
Oh right, they like.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Were texting with peanut L.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Yeah, yeah, but they were texting with each other about
how to murder they with different poisons and his float.
No doubt they did it. They killed him. And when
when the sheriffs count When the Jackson County Sheriff's Department
showed up to question the mother, Marsha Allen, I guess
she took her own life soon after that because she
(07:17):
knew what would happen. But she gave her cell phone up,
so they looked through all the text messages and it's
this crazy tangled web of a story about how the
daughter then thought she was owed money, didn't get that money,
so she hired two guys that she knew to go.
I guess ransacked the mom's house to try and gette.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
For the movie. Dude, I mean jesus, this is wild.
This is like a Fargo season.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
The day Lion, the Daylone will come out first, if
my if my girlfriend is correct. So so the thing
here is that Matt, I'm glad you brought this up
because I haven't tracked that past the headline. One anti
freeze now you'll get caught. Two semi related, tangentially related.
(08:04):
Our old pal bee keeper put together some you know,
we've been talking about whether or not we're going to
go to deaf Con at some point, and our old
pal beekeeper sent me a pretty tasty look curated list
of some def Con talks for us will send off air.
But I still think people just don't understand that your
(08:27):
text messages, no matter how secure you feel they are,
are easily the first thing law enforcement is going to go.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
For and WhatsApp.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Oh yes, your WhatsApp and shout out, but shout out
to your TikTok now.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
But they are encrypted though to a degree, And we
have had situations where like Apple wouldn't give up, you know,
the encryption key to a locked phone, So it does
require them to have access to your device. I mean
like there is end to end encryption on WhatsApp and
on on Apple you know messages.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I guess the point is if there's a homicide or
a serious crime involved, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Also, yeah, court famously discriminating, right.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Well, no, I mean, I'm sorry. I don't mean to
be petulant here, but there was a whole thing where
there was a serious murder and Apple refused to grant
a backdoor entry to someone's phone that would have helped
solve the case because it would have set some kind
of precedent. So I am interested in, like how these
texts surface because you literally can't get into my phone
if you don't have my number, and can they subpoena
(09:36):
the records? But if they're in the and encryptied, how
do they do that? Doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Conversations are a whole conversation for another For an episode,
I would pause it because the the shoegaze boys are
pretty up on their stuff and they're they're also the
source of a lot of those zero day exploits or
day day one exploits that get hidden from private industry,
(10:02):
So you'd be surprised, you know what I mean, Maybe
you're right we should do an episode on that. Before
we do that, let's hang out with our fellow listeners
after that update. Thank you to so many people too
many to name who wrote to us immediately with the
update on the Patterson case In Australia. We have been
sharing a fascination with the role of water in the
(10:28):
world for many years now, Matt. Most recently you were
discussing the accelerating, escalating situation there on the Gulf Coast
in Louisiana, specifically with saltwater versus fresh water and all
the import.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Which is okay now, which is New Orleans is good
to go there there, Jesus. Yeah, And they've been good
to go since mid October a little, I think the
eighteenth of October they gave the all clear, like, hey,
we mitigated situation and we've had sufficient rainfall and all
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
So so it's just for next year now.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Well, yeah, and it's just for the people who live
closer to the Gulf right further I guess south than
New Orleans.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And and this spurred a lot of conversation with our
fellow listeners, our fellow conspiracy realist Noll. There's one that
stood out to you, correct.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, it's from my favorite nickname I think in all
of stuff they don't want you to know, and Hobo Bobo,
honking on bobo. You guys know what that is? Honking
on bobo.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I do not.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I think it's an aerosmith like like greatest Hits, perhaps,
but I think it just means playing the harmonica honk
honking on Bobo. That could be wrong. Oh yeah, you
honking you know I get that part. Yeah, okay, I'm
not Bobo might be a reference to a particular bluesman,
you know, of notes.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Their fourteenth album.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, it was an album and I think they went
real woozy woozy on that one. But Hobo, Bobo was
worried about you, Matt. He was concerned. He wanted to
he I'm joke, He wasn't really worried about you. He
just wanted to give you a little grain of hope.
And I think he did that. And thank goodness to
the situation that led to your rabbit hole around the
rising saltwater levels in places where that shouldn't be happening.
(12:20):
Glad that situation was more or less mitigated. But what
came up a lot and having conversations around these topics
was like, what's up with desalination? You know, how how
do we scale that? And we you know, we talked
about how it's it's ultimately a very expensive proposition. It
requires a lot of infrastructure, you know, I think one
of the things weren't they, Matt, in that New Orleans situation,
(12:42):
like literally dumping fresh water into the water with like
big barges and stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I can't remember if they were bringing that fresh water
in for the populations that needed fresh water, or if
they were actually using it to try and make a gay.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
It would maybe make more sense that they would give
it directly to the people, But I'm interested to know.
I would love an update on that one, Matt, and
how they mitigated it, because the last update we had
it was still signing pretty dire. But honking on Bobo
aka Hobo Bobo, Sorry, Hobo, I have this to say here,
Bobo bobo here to feed into Matt's recent apparent fascination
(13:19):
with water, and he sends us a link to an
article from a publication called what is It Interesting engineering
dot Com. The headline is a wave powered desalination machine
filters forty nine thousand liters of water daily. Wow, this
(13:41):
is like a pretty reasonably sized craft. It's not ain't
no barge. This is like more like a like a
like a skiff, you know, or a catamaran you know.
What's another fun name for a vessel? Schooner, a schooner. Admittedly,
I can't quite tell the scale from the image because
it's literally surrounded by water, but from the size of
(14:02):
the waves and just the way it's framed, maybe we'll
get into some some specifics. But this is another one
of these things that does read like a press release
because it is. It is a press release essentially that
has been turned into an article. No shade on the writer, Palaya.
It's a great name. By the way, ameya plea if
I'm pronouncing that right. This is what happens. You know,
we did one recently, Matt that you brought about some
(14:25):
kind of clean up thing or it was the Zoo
the thing the company that was like named after a
particular type of zebra.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Oh yeah, we're they're obliterating pfas.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
That's the one. Yeah, exactly. So this is, you know,
similar deal to that. It's a it's a it's an
exciting new technology coming out that this this website is
reporting on Onika Technologies, a Canada based startup, has unveiled
its environment friendly desalination technology that works by using power
from the waves at sea. This environmentally friendly approach could
help countries tend to the water needs of their population
(14:59):
without worrying about it's climate impact. Out of the total
water available on the planet, just about three percent is
fresh water that can be used. The rest is salty
sea water unusable for drinking or industrial usage, and desalination
plants have helped put this water to some use. But
like we said, they go on to say, it's an
energy intensive process and none of it comes from renewable resources.
(15:23):
So that's another problem. It's like you're sort of like
robbing Peter to pay Paul kind of I guess where
it's like sort of a zero sum game in terms
of like the balance of bad things you know that
you're putting into the world or taking from the world,
and that goes on. According to the International Desalination Association,
that's a mouthful. Desalination plants have doubled in the past
decade and the sector is expected to grow at nine percent.
(15:44):
In such a scenario, an environment friendly solution would be
helpful in a world looking to move away from fossil fuels.
And again, this thing, this craft is powered by waves.
Let's see. Well, the apparently conventional desalination plants used thermal
or membrane type of technology or type of processing thermal.
(16:06):
In that situation, it requires heat, intense heat that heats
the sea water and causes it to evaporate, leaving the
salt content behind, and then the evaporated water is cooled
and made available for use. Then there's the membrane approach,
where it's passed through what's called a semi permeable membrane
that then takes in the salt, and that is also
very energy intensive, but much better, but I think overall
(16:30):
much more expensive. In the oneika kind of craft wave
runner approach, it basically uses this floating machine floating craft
that's anchored to the seabed and uses a membrane system
that is actually powered by the waves, and the machine
then also absorbs energy from the waves and converts it
(16:51):
into mechanical energy which is used to draw in the
sea water. So it's like a kind of like a
filtration closed system, right, So a quarter of the water
is circulated in side the desalination system and purified water
is pumped using mechanical power to the shore. I think
that's enough to get us the idea here.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Well, it's incredible because this whole system works without electricity.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
Yeah, it's wireless. Man, it's tethered only to the floor
for you know, to do what it's doing, but it's
not being fed any power by anything.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Ah Man. Wave technology like this is so cool to me.
Just the back and forth movement of waves that are
going to be occurring and then harnessing that to do
something like push salt water through a filtration system and
then use that same force to pump it to a
(17:41):
usable outlet right where human beings can then make use
of it. That's freaking amazing to me.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Super cool. And Hobo Bobo had this to say, fantastic
news if scalable and actually used. To be clear, I
didn't read any other articles about this, because, like you said,
this is definitely one of these examples of like a
press release that's converted into a little short blurb. But
hopefully given the climate literally the climate change, we're gonna
(18:08):
start hearing more about it, he says. From this one
it does seem promising. Hopefully you've already seen this. I hadn't.
I don't think we had, he says, But I'm listening
to old episodes of stuff to blow your mind. Red
Handed and Daniel J. Jorge explain the universe so I'm
not current on stuff that I want you with the
moment you are. Those are great choices, they are great shows.
And it sounds like he's going to catch up eventually,
(18:28):
so you can hear me call him a mean name
out of love. Out of love.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
This is incredible. Actually, it should be known that in
order for this thing to function, you've got to have
three foot waves. So guys, imagine a three foot wave, right,
not huge, but the kind that you could probably body
surf on. Pretty well, I would just say, those aren't
in my experience, they're.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Not everywhere, They're not constant, right, Yeah, what was the number? Ben?
Could you shop us with some cocktail math on this one?
Like it said it could do in the and based
on the headline, it said it could do forty nine
thousand liders a day. So, like, what does that translate to,
like in terms of like the population, you know, like
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in functional terms.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Well, thirteen thousand gallons? Right, So then imagine a gallon
of water, a single gallon of water, and then multiply
by thirteen thousand that's what you'd get.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Well, Ben, does this seem like scalable to you? Is
that enough to make a dent or are we just
kind of pissing in the wind here?
Speaker 1 (19:35):
The argument would be that at this point, pissing in
the wind is better than not pissing at all, regardless
of or pissing in your pants or pissing in your pants.
The average human being needs about little more than three
leaders of water per day to survive. I think it's
three point seven leaders for guys or male identifying dudes,
(19:59):
two point point seven or so for female identifying people.
And this follows up with an episode we did years ago.
I had this long standing obsession for a while. You
guys will recall I was convinced that the next World
War resource would be potable water. Desalination technology is amazing,
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and sure, hobo bobo to the point, it may be
tempting to dismiss this kind of stuff as a press release,
but we have to understand that as research continues here,
this is going to be one of the mission critical
pieces of innovation for the human species to continue. So
(20:45):
in terms of how this will scale, probably the best analog,
and I'm not a hydrologists, probably the best analog to
look at here would be the tremendous breakthroughs that have
been made in wavepower to your point matt wave powered
energy initiatives. Especially in the Northern European theater, there's a
(21:07):
lot of great mobile hydro electric stuff happening. Also shout
out to something we may never get to. The Nation
of Turkey has mobile power plants that they are using
as extortionate diplomacy. Unrelated story for another day. Desalination awesome.
I hope more research continues in this field.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Remember its modular nol so I was gonna mention, Yeah,
you could combine these, but I guess if you spread
these out, you know, in large bodies of water and.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Have them going constantly, at the very least, you could
stockpile this stuff and save it up for like, you.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Know, when this really hits the van, there you go.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
It's nothing but good if it works as advertised, I
would say so. In the modular aspect, well, I don't
fully understand what that means. I think I kind of do.
I mean their modular in that their discrete units, each
one them is independent.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But it looks like they're designed to have multiple set
up in an array, and then you can connect the
systems together into one like output super output.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
That makes sense. I see what you're saying, yeah, because
there's a couple images on the article where they look
quite different from one another, Like there's one that looks
you can definitely see the scale because you can see
a much smaller boats next to it, and it's even
smaller than those. It looks like more the size of
a buoy. And then you've got this image of the
top that looks like a much larger version. So maybe
there's like little kind of theater units that all kind
(22:34):
of go. It's really cool. Thank you, Hobo Bobo. We're
going to take a quick break and come back with
some more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
And we've returned, guys, we are jumping to the phone
lines to hear a couple messages regarding the old bigfoot
sighting on the railway. We mentioned a couple of.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Weeks back, that wiggly fella mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
So our first message comes from old friend of ours
a frame.
Speaker 5 (23:08):
Hey, guys, it's a frame again. And as I was
listening to you guys talking about the bigfoot that was
recorded on the Durango to Silver Tin narrow Gage railway
a couple of weeks ago, I saw that and I
thought of you guys, but also when I saw it,
I thought about how we are in mountains up here,
(23:29):
and we love the concept to Bigfoot. It's a constantly
running thing up here, and if you drive up the
Pike's Peak Highway you'll see wooden frames of him in
the trees. So if you drive at dusk, we kind
of see him going around the corner. Won't even really
like quite processed whether or not it was real, and
(23:50):
people like to put those in their yards. It's a
pretty common thing to do. So the thought of a
guy in a gaely suit walking around the train because
it's funny is very likely to me, and I do
think it's pretty funny, especially with how serious it was taken.
You can see the way he just saunters, sees the recording,
sits down, make sure he's being watched. It's perfect, nicely done,
(24:14):
beautiful prank. It's what you do. It's fun. I don't
know how many people actually do believe, but the joke
in wanting to is very very popular, and especially putting
the cutouts and roads where they can be seen for
a flash second, that's like a really popular thing. But
other than that, thanks to the show, I hope you
(24:35):
guys have a great week.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
So guys, there we go.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
We mentioned some of those bits. I think we were
sort of banding around like some of the possible scenarios.
But there is a performative quality to the movements of
this character.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Well yeah, and I guess I was unaware of how again,
at least according to Aprin, how popular a joke it
is that Bigfoot is just there, or not even a joke,
like a just a piece of lore, like to the
point where you would buy or create a cutout of
Bigfoot and put it in various places on your lawn
somewhere or in the trees on your property, just to
(25:11):
be like, yep, there's Bigfoot, like the.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Uh, what is it like the frogman?
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Yeah, kind of like that exactly. And right after listening
to that message from aFrame, we got another message from
someone I'm gonna call anonymous ASP and you know why
I'm calling you that, ASP, But it was a similar message.
So I'm gonna play that too, and then we can
just check quickly about this stuff.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
Hey, guys, what's up.
Speaker 7 (25:35):
I'm not even gonna say my name because I use
this prank a lot. Just listening to your strange news
about the Bigfoot in Colorado. I'm from Colorado and I've
taken that train many times. There are places to drop
people off along that route and it'll pick them up
the next day or days or weeks later so.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
They can go camping. And it is a sting in
Colorado to dress as a bigfoot or a bear to
scare the out of tourists. It's a thing. So I
don't doubt that that was somebody just trying to play
a print, because that happens all the time in central
(26:19):
and rural Colorado, just saying bye guys.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Thank you dude. That's why the local perspective is so helpful,
like across the board, you know. And I mean that
even wasn't the New York Times that reported on those
that with a bit of a wink and a nod
and all of the writing. It was just almost like
an opportunity to write about some bigfoot stuff. I don't
think anyone was really truly conjecturing this thing was real.
(26:45):
But when you hear from just call that's super cool.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
I think it was just nice to hear from people
who live right there, right and exactly I had. I
had a family member who used to live out that
way in Durango and would take that line. And actually
I have never actually been on, but I have some
personal experience, like right, secondhand personal experience. I guess of
stories on that particular line and just how remote it is,
(27:10):
but also how people do just get off and get
out in the cold and just go for a while
on there on foot. Basically I guess the way anonymous
ASP is discussing there. All right, Well that's it. That's
the bigfoot stuff for today. We got one more quick thing, guys.
This is an email we received keeping it on the
ASP tip from someone calling themselves Isotope Viper. So here
(27:34):
we go. Oh, and this message is a callback to
an episode from almost exactly a year ago titled how
federal classification works and why It's a problem. Here is
Isotope Viper's message, gents. It's a great opening line here, guys,
I work for the DoD. Oh do we need to
burn our computers?
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Not gonna do it?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Okay, No, here we go. I work for the DoD.
We received we have to computer update today, giving us
a new system of email classification. Here are some of
our new quote related to categories. So before we continue on,
let's jump down to this screenshot slash picture that was
(28:18):
taken and sent to us of the related two categories
that are brand new. I just wanted to point some
of these out for everyone. So this is a list
of what looks like selectable related to categories for classifying
email communications. And in here I'll read the top one
(28:38):
because it's the name that was chosen by this person
contacting us, isotope viper. Do you guys have any like,
what do you think isotope viper could be?
Speaker 1 (28:48):
Honestly, do you know?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
I want to say, some sort of radioactive snake.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Oh maybe okay, some kind of strike with a dirty weapon.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Maybe there you go, there you go.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
What's the next one?
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Out of the full list, I would say there are
counting isotope viper. There are six in total that have
a bit of a umami to them. The next one
going down, as you asked, Matt, is ivy.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Ghost ivy ghost. See Like, I want to believe there's
symbolism or something, but it may be that they're just
pulling names up, because this isn't like the NATO alphabet, right,
or the alphabet that you would use with Alpha, Bravo
and all that stuff. These are fun code names. I
guess ivy ghosts.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
I think that wraps around and the issue is that
it's there's no use in classifying a program if the
name of the program clearly indicates the nature of the
program exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
That's why it's mk Ultra instead of tripping cities or something.
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Yeah, it's true. But weirdly enough, there's like on this
list you also have things like NATO and Ato. Do
you think that has something to do with Nato? Probably?
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Maybe it's NATO. The Japanese fermented beans which are soybeans,
which are terrible. They taste like diapers. Yeah, And I
say that as a person was not eating a diaper
to my knowledge, So the closer I got was eating
the fermented soybeans.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Nato.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
I'm taking aim at it. If you listen to Daily
Zeitgeist right to Miles Gray and let him know I said.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
So, yeah, take that.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
But also just to that point, Ben JPN is on
this list, Like, is that Japan? No, maybe it's just
JPN because Koar is on here too, which I hear that,
and I hear Knights of Old Republic. I don't know
about anybody else. That's what I hear.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
What is how do we pronounce is it nibel wolf
like bible or is it nibble wolf?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
I think it, Well, there's not two bees. Yeah, so
it's gotta be nibel wolf. But nibble wolf sounds. What
about what about nebo wolf?
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Maybe they're pronouncing it a different way. Maybe there are
silent letters in there. Nible Yeah, maybe it's voof And
then of course NCRO or nichrome spike and lunar arrow.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
That goes back to the point about the notion of
classifying program in general. Right, if it is about shooting
the moon, maybe don't call it lunar arrow. It's like,
here's our secret operation. What's it called? Operation secret operation?
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, Operation Nights of the Old Republic. All right, so
here we go. Let's go back to the email really quickly. Guys,
that's that list. Is Stope Viper says, I recognize several,
but there's some pretty interesting stuff in there. Also, Operational
Research Consultancy or con oor con is something I heard
(31:51):
about today which you may find interesting. Care to shed
any light on any of this? I suppose you can
call me isotope Viper after my favorite item on the list,
Stave Frosty Isotope Viper.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Ooh stay Frosty all right? Challenge accepted my friend Yeah,
or Con learned about it by watching you dad. If
you are if Isotope Viper is not our parents, but
but or Con map from what I can tell is
h Yeah, it's an interesting pickle. There's some onions to it,
(32:23):
and I.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Was, I don't understand it. Can I just say I
researched this for today's episode, and I don't understand what
it is outside of operate or originator controlled classification, Yes,
which which means I still don't understand it. In my head,
it means where this information is originating, coming from, starting
(32:47):
from and then being able to follow it down the
chain to wherever it leads, like whoever else gets this information?
But I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Right, that's my take too. It is controlled by the
people who created it, right, which doesn't always happen. And
you know, folks, a lot of times in any large
government you would be surprised by how much energy is
spent on what we would recognize as turf wars. Who
controls this? Right? Is it InCom? Is it DoD? Who
(33:19):
gets to make the calls on budget? That's always that's
always a funny conversation, and I still Viper. There are
a lot of things here that I think none of
us recognize. It is fun to your point, Matt, It
is fun to guess at them. In my favorite of worlds,
(33:41):
the ones that are two words put together Luneo, night mesa,
ivy ghosts, et cetera, and my favorite of worlds, those
are all painfully awkward acronyms, you know what I mean,
Like ivy ghosts. If we've freestyled on that one, that
would be like internal verification yonder, what's a good word
(34:04):
that starts with why?
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yacht unclear?
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Oh, internal, internal vestige, yacht garamond, whatever, You know what
I mean. We'll have to work on these and maybe
we can include them in a future in a future show.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
I think we should. This is really cool. It's weird
to actually look at it like this. Thank you, IstoE, Viper,
Thank you a frame and anonymous asp for right into
us this week. We are gonna hear a quick word
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Speaker 1 (34:43):
And we have returned. Let's go to a person that
I would like to call right, said Fred, Because Fred
you said we could call you Fred. It didn't give
us a cool, obscure nickname, so we're going to We're
gonna call you right said Fred, or drop dead Fred,
(35:03):
Matt and Old. Do you guys have a preference.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
It's hard to choose. I did get taken the task
by a listener on Instagram. I forget Please forgive me,
I I've forgotten their name. Who scolded me saying right,
said drop dead Fred did not in fact ruin the
life of the character that was his well, that he
was her imaginary best friend. He empowered her to take
(35:27):
charge of her life. I obviously was misremembering the movie.
So I would opt for right, said, because I know
what his deal is. He's just too sexy for all
the things.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Just call him savage.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Very well, So drop dead right said Fred aka Street
named Savage says, Hey, guys, love the show fairly new
listener one year, but it has become a daily joy
of mine. Listening to whatever things you have posted and
the classics. Thank you, Strange News is my favorite part
of the show. Since discovering your show, I'm always looking
for something to write to you about. Well, perhaps I
(36:01):
did stumble into something that I have found very interesting
in the classic conspiracy freemason rhetoric.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
On Reddit.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
About two years ago, I noticed someone posted a weird
coded note they had found inside of their sealed box
of pockey. Weird note, says our Palfred. They bought this
at a local grocery store in school Skullkill County, Pennsylvania.
I read it, thought it was a curious mystery. Someone
(36:30):
translated it and well that was that.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
But it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Thank you for the sound of human fun. More and
more people over the next couple of years kept getting
these notes, but who was doing it? Who might be
behind it? It is happening often enough that recently two
months ago, someone started a sub on the notes. More
and more people are getting them sub here editorial note
refers to subreddit, so you can go to Schoolkill Notes
(36:58):
the subreddit, and Fred said, I am not a moderator
of the sub I have not received one of the notes,
but it scratches that part of my brain that wants
to blow this into a Dan Brown novel. The only
news source I've found that has given it any notice
is the local county paper, Cole Region, Canary. And Fred,
you shared this with US residents keep finding bizarre printed
(37:22):
messages in grocery items. I would love to hear your
thoughts on this. I hope you guys find this interesting
and if not, at least I finally had a reason
to write in love the show. Appreciate all the hard
work you guys do. As you can say by the email,
this is my name. You can call me Fred. Thanks
and thank you Fred. Because this is interesting. It seems
(37:44):
to ride the line between Discordianism if we remember that
one and you know, a little bit of hacking, but
also some potentially dangerous propaganda. If you guys are okay
with it, I would like to put read one of
the messages that was found here.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Neil, let's do it all right.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
So this is from the Cold Region, Canary, published by
Canary Commenter, which I suspect is not their real name.
So but you know, apologies if that is your real
name and your parents are weird. So one story. One
note was found in a bit of over the counter medication.
(38:26):
This note is folded up and it reads the following.
There are a lot of abbreviations here. We're going to
give you the full audio pronunciation, but just know this
is riddled with strange cultish nomenclature and apostrophes.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Ben Just to be clear, this is found in a
sealed box of something.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
This one is found folded into a bottle package of
infant tail and all whoa, Okay, so this is not
the sealed pockey message.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
This is like those memes that are like careful there,
they're finding some esoteric thing in your kids halloween candy.
But it's like a picture of like a scene from
the Matrix or something like that. You know, gotcha.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
I'm just trying to imagine if it's if it's even
possible that it was inserted by somebody, or if it
had to like originate inside factory.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
It's like resealed after entry. Yeah, that's the big question.
So here we go. And there are a lot of
misspellings as well. Lies Secret Societies SS, ties to terrorm
shuts and other crises not reported.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
But JFK.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Warren of SS Europe's arean elite all caps and their
SS fronts parentheses, Vatican Jesuits, Mason Lesser Royalty, leading SS
masquerading as other reals are the Illuminati Secret Rights Signed
CIS Unit SS Oprah Obama put Austin Gates, Dalai Lama Trope,
(39:56):
Ellipses sign one, it goes on or a while, uh,
and it's it's uh. It's kind of like the Toynbee
tiles or the messages from that soap company. Uh. It
doesn't seem to have a clear narrative other than if
(40:17):
you if you read this, which can at Coleregioncanary dot com.
What it seems to be is, in general, an argument
that a cabal of very powerful people in communities are
attempting some kind of false flag crisis to make people
(40:37):
more open or amenable to world government. That seems to
be the spoiler. There's a lot of strange stuff, kind
of word salided in these messages, similar to oh what
was that? What was the guy who thought time square
(40:58):
timecube guy?
Speaker 2 (40:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it also seems like there's a
ton of purposeful removing of letters to try and fit
everything into this whatever this card stock is, wherever this
piece of paper size is. Like, the word confiscation is
(41:19):
in there, but it's written CEO n fis apostrophe n like,
but you can kind of tell, like if you just
glance at it, you can read gun confisction. But that
my head says confiscation.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
And I'm with you there because I was looking at
this to see whether there was a potential for a
code message of some sort.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
This was about to say, is a zodiac speaking here?
What do we think? This is? Well? Weird.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
There is a bit of internal consistency as far as
parts of words that are removed. So anything that ends
with an I ng the i N tends to be removed.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
There is is more of a tendency for vowels to
be removed rather than consonants. However, what we see is
this is disturbing people in the area and they are
not encountering real world activity connected to this, by which
we mean no one in the county is saying I
(42:22):
ran into someone who told me about these messages or
was taking action based on these messages. Now, according to
the author, if the author is in good faith here,
the people who are taking action are of course the
Let let me go back to that hit list again, Oprah,
(42:42):
Obama putin Austin Gates, Dali Lama, Trump, also the United
Nations and China, and then of course, you know your
side helping of anti Semitic stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
Uh dude, Yeah, this is such a great like Reddit
rabbit hole. Yes, looking at some of the stuff you found,
and there's one message just on somebody's granite table here.
They took a picture of it. This one says that
it all goes back, it's all tied to Saturn slash
Lord of the Rings. And at the very end it says,
(43:16):
watch they Live and Dark City.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
To Dark City is on Criterion right now in a
collection of like nineties kind of neo nuir movies. And
I've never seen They Live. And I've been meaning to really.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
Fight best fight scene. Sorry, John Wooey, you tried.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
You did it? Really?
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah? Oh god, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:36):
It's got an incredible fight See it's got Piper.
Speaker 1 (43:40):
Yeah, fifteen minutes of utter nonsense. And you know, if
you thought the characters in season three Have Lost were
bad at communication, watch that fight scene and they live
that on That was the epitome of not being able
to communicate face to face. And this this idea, like,
(44:01):
as you noted, Fred and as you noted Matt, the
subreddit here is amazing. This is probably one of the
best uses of the platform of Reddit because it is
people with eyes and ears on the ground, sharing theories,
sharing texts, My question is similar to the question we
had about Cicada. Was it three point thirty three three
(44:25):
oh one? Yeah, The question is is this is this
like a culture hack? Is this thing for the lulls?
Is this someone who works in the area who is
dealing with some inner demons of one sort or another?
And Fred, I hate to tell you, at this point
(44:46):
you said you wanted to hear our thoughts on this.
We're going to need some time. We're gonna have to
dig in. We might have to take a little bit
of a road trip, because you're absolutely right, there's not
a ton of news out here. The best source are
the ones you named, the subreddit in particular.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
Dude, this is cool. Have you guys read much into
the Saturn theories, like the theories about Satan and Saturn
having a connection in this literal lord of the rings,
like Saturn.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Worship, Satan and Saturn are an anagram of each other.
Because it's not true, but there's to say it with
enough confidence that feels right.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, like it's evil to live backwards shut out.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
I would just say there's some deep rabbit holes to
go down in the Saturn the concept that a lot
of people believe that some form of controllers on this planet,
this realm worship Saturn as a thing. I don't know,
it might be worth our time to at least delve
into it.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Saturnalia thing that I make that up. It's a festival,
it's it's like a debauched kind of yeah, Like it's
a lot of it does have some bacchanalian qualities to
it that you might associate with, like which is Sabbath
or you know that kind of Yeah. Again, a lot
of these are cliche sort of like dated references or
(46:05):
dated images. But I think it also is connected or
it's the Roman version of what ultimately became reappropriated as Christmas.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, that part of the calendar is a big time
for parties historically. And and Matt, I think are you
talking about what is broadley called the Atlantean Conspiracy something
like that.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
I think that works into it.
Speaker 5 (46:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Again, it's branching indeed.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Oh yeah, because if there's no real primary source, then
you're in the realm of folklore. That might sound like
a cheap shot, but we guarantee you that's above the belt.
Look into it and let us know your thoughts. Fred
dogs with a ball on this one. Or you know,
Prometheus with fire on this one. We are going to
(46:51):
dig in further. This will be a fun one. We
want to do more paranormal stuff, so this may come
up in a future evening. In the meantime, cut my
part short here. I think we promised our fellow conspiracy
realist some heist. Maybe we end with some fun heist,
(47:12):
just a real quick laundry list of three that popped
up recently. What do you guys think?
Speaker 3 (47:17):
Yeah, your nick totally. I mean, over the over the
past couple of years, we've had like spam heists, We've
had syrup maple syrup dimes. You know what, what do
we got? Ben? How can we how can we top those?
Is it even possible?
Speaker 1 (47:31):
Well, I'm so glad you asked. Recently, just in the
past couple of weeks, four men were accused of stealing
a gold toilet. It's worth six million dollars. They did
get caught. No word on whether or not they had
time to poop in it. It was stolen, uh ask right, right,
(47:54):
it's probably you know who knows how they got to it.
It was an eighteen carrot gold toilet from a place
called Blenheim Palace. They stole it in twenty nineteen. They
in September and they finally got arrested. They're all from
London and they were accused of conspiracy to transfer criminal property.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Somebody just had it in their flat.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Someone was just flexing. Yeah, you know, people would come
over to their apartment. They'd be hanging out playing Uno
or what have you, and the guy who was hosting
kept saying, anybody need to poop, guys, anybody got to
use the loop seriously, come in the WC. Yeah, to
the point where it became awkward for their guests and
(48:40):
they were like, hey man, you're kind of weird, Like
no one wants to go in your water closet because
you've made it such a thing. And he's like, are
you sure?
Speaker 3 (48:49):
It's really awesome? I can't tell you really why cool?
Speaker 1 (48:53):
But you should have pooped here.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (48:56):
As a matter of fact, we don't have to hang
out just you guys. Called me next time you need
to oop. I got some stuff that will blow your mind.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
I'm not nearly as impressed as that as I would
be with one of those fancy Japanese toilets that like
do things to the butt, you know, a gold too. Yeah,
the future, Yes, yes, but the way I said, you
know that, I sound like sounded like Hannibal Lecter describing
buffalo bills. He does things to the skin.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
It's it's true, though, Japan is in the future. Thanks
for the beef fair, Paul. Yeah. Yeah, a toilet that
will sing to you. Some will say reassuring phrases. They'll
wash your butt, they'll dry your butt, they'll heat the seat. Yeah,
eighteen carrot gold toilet.
Speaker 3 (49:39):
Not impressed. I'm don't care less.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
I'm I love that that rhymed. I'm also terrified of
touching metal with my hands. Much yeah, much less.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
This one doesn't even do butt stuff.
Speaker 3 (49:52):
So it does one butt thing, you know. It does
the same as my freaking porcelain toilet does not impress.
It does the.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Same as a field you know what I mean, as
a field of grass. Anyway, So let's fast forward. There
is a ongoing heist in Ohio. Police have asked for
help trying to figure out who on Earth stole an
entire bridge. They took the whole thing into separate heist.
(50:22):
Yeah in Acrid.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Obviously the troll he is relocating.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
Yeah, maybe it's like a statement troll troll community statement
about gentrification. This is on the Little Cuyahoga River in
Middlebury Run Park. It's a pedestrian bridge, or it was.
It's fifty eight feet long.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
Made of planks, traditional bridge material. We're talking stone, yes, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
So the theft of the bridge began in phases. This
is like a street level otions eleven. Starting on November third,
you called it. The thieves cleared the brush around the bridge,
and then they took the deck boards, and then they
came back and took the rest of the bridge.
Speaker 3 (51:08):
Remember that whole deal about London Bridge where it was
like a big thing where they sold it and they
moved it overseas like brick by brick or stone by stone.
That was sanctioned, you know, by the government, and it
took a long time. I have to say, this is
very impressive, and certainly it wasn't the size of London Bridge,
but a bridge of any size is no nothing to
sneeze at in terms of like moving it and what
(51:30):
are you gonna do with it? Put it somewhere else.
It's sort of custom made for where it already was.
Speaker 1 (51:36):
We got to learn more about the underground aftermarket Bridge.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Community yeah, how do you fence a bridge?
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Hey? Points? Okay, okay, But this is why I always say, guys,
we need more surveillance cameras in public parks that have
facial technology. They can identify everybody that might steal a bridge.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Control was mad all along.
Speaker 1 (51:59):
You know what, I don't want to gatekeep bridges here,
but maybe if we want to, if we want to,
if we want to focus on keeping people safe, uh,
in these great national parks of this great nation, then
why don't we have the federal government finally start keeping
(52:20):
track of the people who disappear anyway, anyway, time, anyway. Well,
I will yield time here. I know I squeezed a
lot into this last part of our listener mail segment.
We got to get going. Big shout out to Fred
Hobo Bobo a frame, anonymous ass, Isotope, Viper, everybody who
(52:40):
wrote in to.
Speaker 3 (52:41):
Let us Viper's bad ass. That's a badass nickname.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
You agreed, everybody wrote in to let us know about
the Australian mushroom case. And the final word before you
contact us and join up, there was one last heist.
We're just going to give you Calvin Coolidge style two
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(53:07):
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Speaker 3 (53:07):
No bull seamen there. Yeah, you're using it like like
a like a bull snip kind of say, okay, I
never mind.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
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Speaker 3 (53:12):
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