September 2, 2024 • 54 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of Iheartrading.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Nolah.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't
want you to know. Oh, folks, we're still catching up
with some jet lag. At least one of us was
(00:49):
running late to tonight's recording. But we return with some
fresh baked Strange News and yeah, and Matt wanted to
do a quick behind the scenes check in here. Earlier,
we were talking about meth in watermelon, and I had
(01:10):
mentioned that we said it on a recording of Strange News,
when in fact we had not. It was this episode
that we were going to mention it on.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh yeah, those melons, Man, weird fruit has been going
around and we talked about it a whole bunch in
an episode that just came out, So check that out
if you haven't listened to it yet. But these fake melons.
Do you want to do you want to give a
quick update on what they are been.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, they're definitely not watermelons. They are, in fact meth amphetamine.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Wait a minute, are you saying watermelons is methamphetamine? Are
these interchangeable?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
No way, these.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Things are not interchangeable, which is why law enforcement is
a little bit myfed Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah, they're myfed.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Are these are the ones that look like weird watermelon
and shaped Christmas presents?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Is that yah? Okay goo Google, Yes, it's painted paper
made to look like a watermelon, but it's just got
methan there, m h And.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I guess that's our cold open.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And we've returned and today we are traveling to a
place called Idaho Springs, Colorado.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
What that doesn't make any sense?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, that's why I won't allow it. Remember Miamisburg, there
was in some other far flung.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Share they shout out, Well, this is Long Island.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
City is also not like in Long Island. Sorry, carry on.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh nuts. Well, Idaho Springs, Colorado is roughly thirty two
miles due west of Denver, Colorado, and we're going there
to explore a very recent and fast moving homicide case.
But before we get to the story, let's role play
for just a second. Guys. I'm curious to know what
y'all would do in this situation that I'm about to describe,
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and then I'll tell you what I would do too,
and we'll just talk about maybe what all of us
should do in this kind of situation. So just imagine
that you guys didn't hear from me all day right
then I just didn't show up for a recording session,
and then still for twenty four hours after that time,
you didn't hear from me. I wasn't communicating on any
(03:21):
of the channels we usually talk on, and you just
couldn't get a hold of me. What would you do?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I would call a family member, a sibling, anyone that
I had the information, the closest person to you.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
That is what I would immediately do.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I would probably do the same while moving to your
last known physical location.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
That's a really good point there. That's one of the
things that I think I would do, seriously, where I
would go to where I thought the person was, if
it was one of you guys, where I thought you
were a last right, that's without having any kind of
technological like ability to see somebody like if we because
we're well as of right now, we're not sharing our
locations with each other. I know a lot of people
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do that with like close.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Friends, come on, family, I do it with my kid.
I think it's important for Yeah, yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
That part I get. But it's like we don't have
air tags.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just learning a lot
about that, especially at least from what I've heard, women
will share their location with like a trusted close friend
if they're ever going out right and it's just boom,
that's the way you can find me, if you got
to find.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Me, Matt, Can I ask what point would you escalate
it to moving toward the location? Like, I don't think
you would do that just having not heard from somebody
for a couple of hours, just wondering.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
A couple of hours. Probably not. We have actually a
mutual friend who happens to work at iHeart that has
this tendency. This person isn't here immediately, but this person
will go in communicado for like forty eight hours. We're talking,
texting and calling, and it's just because this person is like, no,
I'm not dealing with that until it's time for whatever
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the next thing is that I need to deal with,
and it it has in the past been a thing
where I'm I have driven to a very far away
place to make sure that person is alive.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I know exactly who you're talking I think I need too.
But isn't it funny, though, how that expectation of immediate
response has become a thing.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I think it really does. It's not the way humans
should work. When you have the red receipts on stuff?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Oh god, what psychotics leave those off?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
First of all, yeah, thank you, I our friends I
don't like actually see it.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Stop?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Why do you respond that you hate me?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I go from why are you responding to you hate me?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
In two steps.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So here we are. You've gone missing. You're not just
twenty minutes late to a recording like Ben Bullen the
jet lag. You are forty eight hours gone.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Just missing essentially, at least electronically. So let's say it's
two full days where you haven't heard from me, and
you do decide I'm going to go to his last
known location. You come to my house and when you
when you roll up, you realize, oh, the door appears
to be kicked in you step in drops dude, I
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mean everything in the house appears to have been gone through, tossed,
like drawers are empty.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
There.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's a ransacking, yes, exactly, terrifying. And then you notice, wait,
Meadows now here, Matt's dog isn't even at the house.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Matt would never put Meadow in jeopardy. That is not
mondo red flag.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, what's the move?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Then?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Just call the cops woof?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I mean like hypothetically, or.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, get a portfile. That's a big deal. That's evidence
of mouthfeasance.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You know, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Have to at that point. Sadly, the role players would
have to immediately contact authorities or a third party, because
if you stumble across that scene and you are the
first on the scene, oh boy, and you don't document it,
you are also becoming the number one suspect and you
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become spirits.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
That's a really good point. That's a really good point. Well,
what happens if you do that very thing and a
sheriff's deputy comes out to check out the situation, But
since there's no sign of me, the severity of the
situation isn't really felt at the sheriff's office. The whole
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missing person's thing kind of goes into effect. But what
if it takes two full days for anyone to organize
any kind of search for again me in this case,
but just your missing friend. You can't get the police
or the sheriffs to act for two more full days.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
That's rough because that also, I'm glad you're bringing this up.
This reminds me of the common myth in copaganda shows,
the idea that one must wait twenty four hours to
report a missing person totally not true, by the way, folks.
In fact, that twenty four hour time window is the
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best chance, it's the best series of hours you will
have to find a missing human individual.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Oh they say that on cop shows too, though on
kidnapping situations they always say that's the most crucial window
of time. So sort of contradict themselves a little bit.
But Matt, I mean, given the scene, surely that'd be
enough to get folks acting.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
It seems like it, right, And as we get into
the fine details of the story, I think you will
see why. It appears to be a no brainer that
something very bad happened at this house that we're going
to talk about to this person we're talking about before
we get into it quick. Note, this story takes place
in time exactly well, let's say approximately one week before.
(08:50):
We record this episode on Wednesday, August twenty eighth, so
there are may be a few updates by the time
you hear it. If there are major updates, we'll try
and include them in some kind of a dendum at
the end of the story if we need to. But
here we go. This thing we're describing here happened to
a man named Paul Peevey and his friend Bruce Boynton.
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Bruce hadn't heard from Paul in two days, and this
was on Monday, August nineteenth, all the way till August
twenty first of this year, so he was starting to
get really worried. Bruce went to Paul's house to check
on him, and he found Paul's house to be ransacked.
He believed immediately that Paul had been the victim of
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some kind of foul play. This is a quote that
Bruce gave to CBS Denver. He said it was obvious
he found the house ransacked, and in the case of
Paul Peeve, I remember I mentioned my dog being gone.
How that was weird. Paul Pevy runs a dog breeding
company called Elite European Doberman's and he had ten puppies,
(09:58):
ten Doberman puppies staying at his place. They were with him,
they were part of his company, part of you know,
what he does for a living, but they're also under
his care. Ten puppies were missing from the home as
well as Paul. Paul was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Now, quick question, Matt, question, our fellow conspiracy realist will
be asking as well. Are the puppies microchip?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
They are so? And then that's gonna lead us down
the tracks there towards the end of like how do
we actually find out what happened or who maybe ransacked
the house and took the puppies and are those the
same people? And then also what happened to Paul Well
on August twenty first, that's a Wednesday, when Bruce went
to Paul's house found at ransacked. He called the police.
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A deputy was sent to the property the next day,
on August twenty second, to check it out, and he
saw the same things that Bruce saw in Paul's house.
And then, guys, it took two days to organize some
kind of party or to actually have a group of
officers out there to search in any way for Paul.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
That's a long delay.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And once that search began, it took three or four
minutes before they discovered Paul's body on his own property
where the deputy had been, where his friend had been
looking around.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Wow, like buried under like some of the stuff that
had been ransacked.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Like, No, he was partially buried on the property somewhere.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yes, like the definition of shallow grave. Someone just threw
some stuff over a corpse.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I say, bold, that's not it's like a compliment that
is just cold and pretty desperate.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, so it does appear to be a homicide pretty
much for sure. Those puppies. Oh and we should mention
here Paul Peve is fifty seven years old, or was
fifty seven years old at the time of this passing,
and he's been doing this for quite a while that
you can go to the website for Elite Europeandoberman's dot
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com and check out you know, the dogs and the
business and kind of who this person was and where
they're where it all was taking place, and you see
pictures of Paul winning awards for the animals that he
was bringing into the world and selling, but giving to
other people for you know, to have a beautiful animal.
It's just I don't know, it's kind of a sweet thing.
I know there are issues with breeding of all various animals.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But clearly is it running a puppy mill. No. And
I appreciate you bringing up the age there, Matt, because
that may have played a part in law enforcements obvious
delay in investigating this, because, let's be honest, you know,
if it was if it was a nine year old child,
if it was maybe a person who had other people
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living with them, perhaps the investigators would have been a
little bit more pro act. I feel like that's a
fair point to bring up. This is a fifty seven
year old man who appears to at least from what
I understand, appears to have lived on his own.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's what I'm seeing too, So I guess maybe they
thought something else could be going on. I just maybe
I still just don't understand no matter what, Like if
there's a missing person, you've got a friend that's super concerned,
and then the house looks like that, right, I don't know,
I don't care how old that person is. If you're
a deputy, you immediately sound an alarm, be like, yo,
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something's wrong, guys.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
One hundred percent kind of speaks to the somewhat I
don't know, times frustrating nature of law enforcement, where like,
it's also really difficult to report a stalker because until
they've done something, you know, actionable quote unquote, that's they
haven't actually broken the law, but you're sort of seeing
this behavior and fearing for your life. And while they
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maybe haven't done anything yet doesn't mean they're not going to,
but you're helpless to do anything about it until they've
hurt you. It's just, I don't know, just another example
of things that sometimes maybe the threshold for a police
intervening is a little high.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I'm sorry, innocent civilian, you cannot report the crime that
is about to happen. You can only report a crime
after it has occurred. Hope it's not fatal. Call us back.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
But also, please do not pre crime us. Everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Thank you, Yeah, please style to for pre crime.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So let's get back to the microchips thing you mentioned, Ben,
that's really important. You can go to the Clear Creek
County Sheriff's Offices Facebook page, seriously, and you can see
a post there that was made by whoever the admin
is there, and they are talking about this case. They're
noting that there was another Colorado Springs Doberman Puppies like
(14:53):
Craigslist ad that went out and just noting to everybody
who's paying attention to it, that is a separate business
and has nothing to do with these Doberman puppies, at
least from what they can tell. The people who made
that ad and who run that business were cooperative with
the investigation. Doesn't appear to be related the micro chipped puppies. Again,
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they're thinking around ten of them may have already been sold,
or a few of them have already been sold through
the website that was run there Elite European Doberman's that's
Paul's business, so they may have been sold in this
weird little time window that happened just before he went
in Communicado and missing. So they're asking everybody who purchased
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one of these Doberman's to reach out and talk to
them so they can at least get eyes on and
hear from individuals who purchased a puppy. The other puppies
that are missing hopefully can be eventually tracked down when
whoever is responsible for this gets desperate to either sell
one or put it through a system somewhere, and somebody
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takes it in for the first time to a vet
maybe something like that. But for now, at least as
of today, Wednesday, August twenty eighth, it appears that the
trail is a bit cold, at least from the forward
facing Facebook page of the Clear Creek County Sheriff's office.
One more thing to add here, guys, the Clear Creek
County Sheriff has officially publicly apologized for the amount of
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time it took to search for Paul, like as a
missing person. You can check out nine News. That's at
least where I found it. They have a YouTube page
and they have a video titled Clear Creek County Sheriff
apologizes after community finds missing Idaho Springs man dead and
that's talking about Paul, and you can read it or
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you can hear. You can actually watch and hear the
apology if you wish there, guys, I don't really have
anything else on this one besides let's keep looking out
for information about this, and let's also think about I
don't know, are there ways that we can in I'm
sure that one of us would know if something was wrong,
other than just having to be in communicato with somebody
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for x amount of time before one of us gets
up and actually looks.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Maybe there's a way that's not intrusive but also keep
us more safe.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Perhaps this is inspiration for an episode. That's part of
the reason we do Strange News as a weekly segment.
One thing that would be very helpful is the establishment
of check in times. Honestly, if you have someone in
your life who may be elderly or maybe on or
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off various grids, it's also helpful as very easy opsect
in a world of spoof phone calls and weird text
It's also very helpful to have some sort of code
phrase and very easy to deploy.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Apparently Adam Sandler calls Rob Schneider every single week without fail.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Good to have a friend like Adam Sandler in your life.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
If you have a regular phone call, I think we
talked about that before, or some kind of regular meeting thing. Again,
like I use these recordings as an example because it's
one of the most regular occurring things that I have
in my life.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
In all of our lives, I think probably.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So yeah, something like that is good. But Ben, I like,
I like your point of a code word. That's interesting.
So if you ever did get in touch with one
of your friends and something was wrong, you could use
that word and then no one on the line would
know about you.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Two.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Me and my kid have a code emoji that anytime
they're out of sleepover or some social thing and they
get overwhelmed or they don't want to be there but
they don't want to say they want to leave, they
text me this emoji, and I know I need to
make it my fault, so I like tell them that
they're in trouble because they didn't do something and that
they're getting picked up because they have to come home.
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It's different but similar, but it is a very specific
emoji that no one else to use. And this it
also applied to any sort of obviously unsafe situation.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Well that's it for this segment, guys. We'll be right
back with more strange news. This just in we've got
some news. We are recording this on Saturday, August thirty first.
As of Friday, August thirtieth, the AP News has announced,
along with a lot of other news outlets, that a
man has been arrested in connection with the death of
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Paul Peevie that we've just been discussing. They've arrested a
man named Sergio Ferrer. Apparently this guy, Sergio was arrested
on August twenty fourth, just a few hours after the
body of Paul Peevey was discovered, and he was arrested
on a completely unrelated charge having to do with an
arrest warrant because he failed to appear in court Nebraska
(19:48):
on a weapons charge. So this guy is sitting there
in prison, and then the Sheriff's office, working with a
bunch of other law enforcement agencies, found enough evidence to
charge this man with first degree felony murder and aggravated
robbery in connection with the death of Paul Peevey. Now
keep in mind, while this man is under arrest and
he is charged with these crimes, he is innocent until
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he has proven guilty via evidence and a court or
you know all that stuff. Oh last thing, the puppies
haven't been found yet. Gosh, that's crushing news. I know
it was for me. Sorry to report that, but if
you hear anything about the puppies, if you see anything,
definitely let somebody know. We can't give up looking for
these puppies after an hour. We haven't put up posters
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or anything. We've just been sitting around on our porches
like goons and waiting. We all got to think these
are all of our pets. We got a responsibility if
these dogs are lost, and they are, we don't look
for an hour and call it quits. We get our
asses out there and we find these fucking dogs. Yes,
that was a reference specifically for Adam Sandler in case
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heverhears this, but it's also serious. Let's find these. So
there's your update. We'll keep looking for more and let
us know if you find anything after hearing this, We'll
be right back with more strange news.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
And we're back with another piece of strange news. This
is kind of a two prong story. It involves two
organizations that we talk about relatively frequently. One maybe we've
talked about a bit more frequently and not for particularly
good reasons, NASA and Boeing. You may have heard the
news that's astronauts, Butch Williams and Sunny Williams are getting
(21:38):
a little more than they bargained for in terms of
their time and space. They were intended to visit the
International Space Station for a ten day mission testing out.
It's my understanding some of the potential vulnerabilities of this
Boeing spacecraft called the star Liner, Well, it turns out
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there were, indeed some pretty significant vulnerabilities. Are at the
very least issues technical issues because the thrusters of the
star Liner failed, and now because of reasons that we'll
get into, many of which are obvious, the logistics of
it all. What was once a ten day mission is
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now potentially going to be months and months, I believe
upwards of eight months. They're going to be quote unquote
stuck in space. Not quite the same as being lost
in space.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
We know where they are.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
But yeah, this pretty abysmal performance by another Boeing product
seems to be at fault here. Did you follow this
story and have you heard much about this star Liner project.
It's my understanding that it's had problems since its inception,
like for many years, some.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Of which was software related. Now obviously this is quite
hardware related.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, we've been talking with a couple of conspiracy realist
about this on email. In particular, we want to start
with a shout out to the astronauts themselves. Barry Wilmore
and Sanita Williams. These astronauts fortunately are veterans in that
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literal rarefied air. This is not their first rodeo by
any means. In fact, Sanita Williams in particular holds several
records for things like marathons in space. These folks, if
you had to pick two experts to survive in space,
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you'd be hard pressed to find two better people than
these individuals. So luckily they're doing a bang up job.
But also we see that this has been called an
embarrassment by Boeing. Oh absolutely, the folks at NASA are
the folks at NASA are making the right call there.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
One hundred percent in a streak of you know, continuous embarrassments,
you know that resulted in the CEO stepping down. And
I mean, it's just been an absolute abysmal year for Boeing.
And this certainly doesn't add any you know, positive spin
to the string of Boeing debacles. And it also isn't
a particularly great look for NASA, who, since suspending their
(24:24):
space Shuttle program back in twenty eleven, have been trying
to get it back off the ground. For lack of
a better term, that isn't quite so plenty. Another additional
embarrassment is that the private sector is actually having to
step in in order to let's I don't know, I
think the word rescue is maybe a little hyperbolic here,
(24:45):
but SpaceX is sending their Dragon spacecraft to shuttle the stuck.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Astronauts back home.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And just to be clear, the astronauts Barry Butch Wilmore
and Sanita Sunny Williams have been on the ISS since
June for that eight day mission, which obviously.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Already well past that window of time.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
And guys, I just have to say, we just had
a little bit of a talk off mic just to
kind of help clarify some things. Is it really as
dumb and as simple as they're needing to wait this
many months because SpaceX doesn't have a flight scheduled until then,
And Ben, you pointed out to me it is in
fact every bit as dumb and as simple as that.
(25:30):
And you, guys, I believe the troubled Starliner is going
to be I guess, for lack of a better term,
space toad back to Earth by Boeing to be examined
to see what the hell went wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Well, that is a pretty expensive flight to go get
two passengers, don't you think sending a rocket up no
matter who made it, no matter how advanced the tech is.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I do sometimes forget how ludicrously expensive these flights are
and how they have to take into account every bit
of weight, you know, of every bit of the payload
of whatever they're bringing or bringing back, and it is
absolutely mission critical that that is adhered to, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
For safety reasons, for safety and financial reasons.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So while we maybe don't have an exact number of
what that flight is going to cost, in the past,
we've looked at the budgets for these kind of flights
and they are often in the millions, right, I mean
just in terms of like one of these flights, So
it's it's nothing to sneeze at. So the fact that
they're having to wait that long, because we know SpaceX
has had some issues in the past as well, and
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I'm sure they're planning for a big launch, a big show,
and they want to make sure everything you know, goes
off as planned without a hitch, and so they're not
going to rush this. And apparently to your point, Ben,
the astronauts are not like outwardly angry about it, and
I believe it's going to involve some sort of record.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, absolutely, we do know. I appreciate you pointing out
the fact that no outer space human engineered enterprise has
gotten things one hundred percent correct. It's just impossible at
this point. It is also very expensive, and with great
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respect to the professionals involved on ground and in space.
When you guys are talking about the cost of these launches,
I kept having that line from the Heath Ledger Joker
playing in my head. It's not about money, it's about
sending a message.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Sure, so that's appropriate here, I think, sure, I don't
know if it's appropriate, but well, it's wildly it's appropriately inappropriate,
and I think it's a I think it totally lands jeez,
can't not make funds because words, you know, mean different things.
But I think this is a really interesting story and
the fact, I do think maybe the most interesting part
of this is that it hasn't been reported so much
(27:55):
as another Boeing up. It's it's much more about these
astronauts are stuck in space and the sort of hyperbolic,
you know, notion of astronauts being stuck in space. So
I don't know if Boeing pr is working overtime and
a little bit in the spin zone. But I have
not seen Boeing front and center much in this store,
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at least in the reporting that I've seen, and I
do have to wonder if that's a product of any
clever media, you know, manipulation.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
We talked about this a little bit before. It is
a fully separate segment of the company bull that, right,
which would have to be different entities.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, still it's the name it It's not doing so
hot overall.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
But the major problem with Boeing the airline company is
that they outsource all of those different parts, right, that
then get manufactured and far flowing parts of the world,
which are then brought together in a factory somewhere where
actual facts. Boeing employees generally put together those pieces, and
they're finding that the pieces don't fit so.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Good, right, And I mean, I'm a perfect example of
how easy it is to throw the baby out with
the bathwater.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
When you hear stories about.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Boeing at large having all of these technical problems, and
you hear about a Boeing spacecraft having technical problems, and
you immediately put it together that yes, one thing is
related to another. So while that may not be the case.
It certainly isn't the best pr opportunity here for Boeing.
Obviously no one was hurt, but surely it's going to
be incredibly expensive to tow this thing or to get
(29:31):
this thing back to Earth. As mentioned previously in terms
of how these kind of missions can just balloon manned
or unmanned. And there's a really great article in the
Conversation about the kind of history of this project and
apparently it's been.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
A bit troubled for about a decade.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So yeah, it's the Boeing partnership with NASA went back
to the very beginning of the space program, you know,
back from Marin or ten and the early Shuttle program.
But this particular project has been in the works for
about ten years and has faced multiple issues getting functional.
And to your point, Ben, these kind of setbacks are
(30:11):
part and parcel of you know, exploring the outer reaches
of space.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
So yeah, unfortunately, you can't make a you can't make
an automobile without risking the possibility of car accidents. Yes,
that's one way to put it.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Futurism points out something really interesting, and that is that
when they're sending it back as you said, Ben unmanned right,
They're sending the entire capsule and the whole thing back Sunliner.
The star Liner. As it re enters, it is going
to separate from the thrusters, the propulsion systems of the
crew to cabin and the propulsion system. The propulsion system
(30:50):
is what got all those gas leaks, and that is
the reason that they couldn't send the astronauts back on
the system. But as it separates, guess what it crashes
into the burns up mostly as it's going through the atmosphere,
so nobody can do any forensics on the thing. So
nobody can know exactly what went wrong so they can
fix it for the next time.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
That's a sticky situation.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
They also don't know for sure that things will go wrong.
There are some fascinating quotes that may or may not
reassure you, fellow groundwalkers. Let's go to There was a
conversation like a press club conversation with Steve Stitch, the
(31:32):
Commercial Crew program manager of NASA, and this is how
Stitch described or portrayed NASA and Boeing's relationship called it
quote just a little disagreement in terms of the level
of risk. It depends on how you evaluate risk. We
(31:55):
did it a little differently with our crew than Boeing
did so Primarily, what they're doing is keeping these astronauts
safe while avoiding the possibility of something going horribly wrong. Right,
there are so many redundancies baked in. There's a lot
of news saying Boeing is, you know, air quotes humiliated
(32:19):
or embarrassed. But everybody's making the right call.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I would agree, and again, like the astronauts in question
are not at the very least outwardly griping to the press.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
You know about this so.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Seems like something of a non issue, but it is interesting,
and I think part of the interesting thing about it
that I mentioned earlier is the way it's being reported on.
It just kind of really puts in the focus the
kind of hyperbolic nature of these types of headlines is
the notion that astronauts are stuck in space and that
(32:54):
it's ruining everything, you know. I just think that's it
does encourage one to read past the headlines. I would
say a little bit, as we always try to do
here on strange news, on stuff they don't want you
to know.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I do like this idea your taking though nol. You
should write an article entirely blaming the astronauts. You know,
I love this idea. Privileged but whole astronauts waste space. Yeah,
it give me just speaking sound like fire festival somehow.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
That is what the is is is. Basically, it's just
a floating space bound fire festival.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Let's go, Let's do a full anti astronaut show.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, I'm sure we can get the busses to pay
for Well, that's all for now. Let's take a quick
break here, work more sponsors, and then come back with
one more piece of strange news.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And we have returned, folks, not just with you and
thank you as always for joining us, but to space.
Something interesting happened quite recently. The nation of China has
produced enormous quantities of water using lunar soil. We're talking
(34:15):
about moon juice is how I'd like to refer to
it as a piece of technical nomenclature. If sustainable, reproducible,
this will solve one of the big problems with the
idea of life on the moon, with creating a population
(34:36):
of literal lunatics. We've known for some time that the
Moon does harbor the possibility of potable water. We talked
about it in recent evenings, the idea of life on
the moon in subterranean little Heidi holes. Right, returning back
(34:59):
to the trogoldic trends of earlier humans, I don't know.
First off, since we role played in the beginning this evening,
i'd like to role play here again. If you guys
were offered a job as water miners on the moon,
(35:19):
how much would you have to be paid per year?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
That's tough, I mean, because you'd have to be gone
a long time.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
It would have to be really, really worthwhile for your family. Yeah,
I would argue you might.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
They might target people who were in dire straits who
really needed it bad.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I'll tell you what, Smarter people than me are going
to do that calculation, and it's going to benefit the
smarter people.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I'll tell you that upfront.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, if I was qualified to do it, and I
had some science background and I didn't have a family,
three hundred and twenty four thousand dollars a.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Year seems legit, but probably honestly.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Right, I don't know. That seems like a lot to me, okay.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
But also, I mean, given given the circumstances, you outlined.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
You're a supervisor though for that salary, right, you're leading
the freaking expedition.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
And then you're a digger. He's a moonline boy.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Are they paying for your housing?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
You know, Robert, heinline is to be believed, one would,
one would, one would.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Hope, right, so they're they're also, in that case, hopefully
paying for your food at this point. Or maybe you
wash up there and it's indentured servitude.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Firefest all over again.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
You got a piece of white bread and some withered
lettuce for your one meal a day.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
You say, gosh, I'm thirsty, and they say, well, get
to the mind, get to the toilet.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Isn't for you, This is for the rich people on
Earth in their biodomes.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Oh that's you know, that reminds me the concept of
resource extraction. There. You might be surprised, folks, to learn
that countries creating the best coffee in the world, the
people who actually live in those countries, for the most part,
are drinking espresso, you know, instinct coffee, because who on
(37:19):
Earth could afford this crazy expensive resource. And perhaps that
that's what we'll get to here. After three years of
in depth research and repeated reproducible processes. The Chinese government
has confirmed there's a brand new method of using lunar soil,
(37:43):
moon dust, moon dirt to produce large amounts of water.
This is a game changer. You can read about it widely.
One of the best sources here in the West is Reuters.
China is aiming to set up what they call a
basic station on the Moon by twenty thirty five. And
(38:05):
I love that they're calling it a basic station.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Do we get the deluxe station?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Right? That's the idea. When do you get moon plus?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
You got a pasture for that? I guess.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Okay, let's get into the science. How do you turn
lunar soil into freaking water?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I mean, is it a matter of extracting like trace
amounts of moisture from huge volumes of soil.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's kind of like the magic of belief.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Now, well, okay, according to what I'm looking at ben well,
at least according to Reuter's, China's state broadcaster CCTV says
that it's because there's a large amount of hydrogen that
exists in the soil. Like I guess, naturally recurring hydrogen
in lunar.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Soils sciencing it up.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Okay, so if you heat it very very high, you
can probably add some oxygen to the mix somehow and
get water I'm assuming.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah. What they found was you could take one unit
of lunar soil and produce a pretty impressive output of
potable water. So one like one British ton of soil
can make minimum fifty kilograms of water, which maths out
(39:26):
to the daily drinking water consumption of a crew of
fifty people if they're not too thirsty.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
But like, one of the big problems we always run
into back here on Earth and things that lead to
potential water wars is that like we can't make more
water like or it's two energy prohibitive, you know, cost
prohibitive to desalinate like ocean water or whatever. So what
is so unique about this hydrogen that we can't reproduce
(39:58):
that here on Earth?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
It's or a question of the problem that they're solving
here or what they're solving for is not the same
problems we're solving for on Earth. The problem on Earth
is totable safe water. How best to create that without
also destroying the environment? Right, that's desalination technology is huge.
(40:25):
But to your point, it is relatively impractical on Earth
because there are other methods of ensuring clean water for
the humans on the planet. They're just the boring stuff
no one wants to do, like number one, conserve water
or number two be a little nicer to the environment.
(40:45):
People don't want to hear that. The problem that China
is attempting to solve for on the Moon is to
get past the great issue of supply chains. Water is
please beat me here, doc, water is being cartoonishly heavy.
If you have ever been hiking, if you have ever
(41:06):
been in a situation where you have to carry around
liquid water, you know it is super inconvenient. It's like
realizing how many books you own when you have to
move from one house to the next.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
So the problem that you're solving for is more like
for creating water for people already in space in a
practical way rather than having a transport it. So at scale,
my question being, this would not be efficient on Earth.
It could be done, but it just doesn't make any sense,
and it wouldn't be like some grand scale solution to.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Our water shortage problem.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Right, Yeah, that's that's well put. It doesn't It doesn't
solve the same problems that we have on Earth. If
you are thinking through a long term occupation of the
moon and you're allowing for all the human things, right,
you want to solve stuff like radiation exposure by putting
(42:00):
people underground, right beneath a healthy shield of rock, And
then you want to solve for the water. The next
thing is the food, right, how do you how do
you get how do you get past that part? And
then after that, I'm sure we'll get to sanitation issues.
Where do people poop? What happens to their poop? Have
you thought about the spell.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
And how do you reconstitute it to get some moisture,
because you know, you imagine this is like having technology
that is a soil to water microwave machine kind of
thing that you put this you put a ton of
soil in it, and you get one hundred bottles of
water that are like what they they say, seventeen point
(42:43):
six ounces or five hundred millimeters. So I mean, that's great.
It's a magic machine that'll do that for the folks
that are already up there. And you only got to
send that machine one time out to the lunar surface, right,
which is great, But in theory, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
The solar energy on the moon is going to be
(43:04):
so nice to have though.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Nice, nice set up foreshadowing. I love it. Also, if
you need to support your local lunatics, right then what
you'll do, I would argue, what you would do in
the era of capitalism, is sell very expensive moon water.
You know what I mean. You make it for peanuts
(43:26):
up there, and then you charge like, what's the what
is the fair price for a small bottle of moonwater
for the type of folks you buy cyber trucks? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, exactly, I'd say about the price of a bar
of astronaut ice cream.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
That's what I paid for it.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Now. It's definitely worth more than that. Asher and ice
cream is pretty busting though.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, agreed. I think we were all keeping that front
of mind anytime we have a conversation about the moon. Matt,
do you have some news about moonwater? No?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I thought, Hey, a great name for moonwater would be
Luna or Lunar or some I was trying to come
up with a bottle of water from the moon name.
But they've already it's all taken.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
It's done. Check out our Luna TikTok.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Also till Neslie gets to the moon, then I'll Betsy'll
be off.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
There's one called Aqua Luna moonwater, and it's just like
alkaline water or something that looks super high in and expensive.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Soon that'll be considered false advertising.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
We are getting into moonwater. That's what I'm persuaded by. Lake.
I am convinced by the arguments here code named Doc.
You have to be on board with us technically on
this one. We also, if you like our long suffering
super producer, are not persuaded by our initial pitch for moonwater,
(44:53):
we have another thing we can sell you via our
good friends at reflect Orbitals. Have you ever been walking
around at night, you guys, and thought it's inconvenient to
me that the passage of the Earth and the Sun
doesn't obey my schedule all the time. And Matt's not
(45:16):
solemnly here a couple of boffins at a place called
reflect Orbitals want to build space mirrors to reflect sunlight
onto solar panels at night. According to their official website,
this is that that's their primary goal, right. They want
(45:36):
to solve for the problem of solar energy. However, the
reason they're in the news is because if everything works out,
when the infrastructure they're proposing, you can pay for them
to send sunlight to you, no matter what time of
day it is, no matter where you are on this
(45:56):
wide wide world.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Can you, Ben, Can you confirm to me? I could
not figure out if this was real or not. It
seems so not real to me. I saw a viral
video of some sort where a dude has an app
and the like clicks on the app and then they
look up in the sky and a giant light looked
that looks like sunlight beans down on them and it's
(46:18):
in the middle of the night, and you're like what
And it.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Sounds like it's a cryptocurrency scam, like we're gonna send
you some sunlight through your app.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Like that's like the name of a cryptotoken something.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Worse token for it.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
What is the deal though?
Speaker 4 (46:33):
Man? Is that?
Speaker 3 (46:34):
What's Matt? What Matt's described? I haven't seen this and
this is news to me.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, this is fascinating And I love the points you
guys are bringing up because first things first, that fancy video,
in my opinion, it's just that it's a fancy video.
It's intriguing, it's fun to watch, it is aspirational. How
(46:57):
about that?
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (46:59):
And and part of the I'm describing it as such
is due to multiple iterations of research by journalist, particularly
Stan Schroeder over at Mashable, who note that when the
CEO of this startup, Ben Noak, introduced this video to
the world, he posted it on x and he in
(47:24):
the video, which is inspirational, you see him using, as
Matt described, an app to pinpoint a location, and then
when he hits that, when he drops a pin right
to go back to our earlier conversation, when he shares
his location with the app, it appears that an actual
(47:47):
physical beam of light hits him where he's standing with
astonishing fidelity. Big if true. Cool cool cool. But in
the near future, this, this level of I think specificity
(48:08):
is still not something humans possess. You can't call a
spotlight to you via via the communication of light through
mirrors on that scale. Yet, however, you can do something like.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
It, well yeah, I mean on their website reflect orbital
dot com. You can reserve a spot like you can
say where you want sunlight to be. The duration is
four minutes, the diameter is five kilometers, It's huge, and
then delivery begins they say Q four twenty five. All
(48:45):
you have to put in there is your name, your
phone number, an email, the organization and why do you
want to spot a sunshine at night? Pal?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
That's that's you got to answer that question, right, yeah,
along with your social Security number list and no example.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
I'm sorry, I just don't understand. What's the point of this?
What is this is a gimmick? I don't I don't
understand at all.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Imagine. Imagine you're trying to like get a quick charge
on some solar panels or something. Right, you do a
spot of sunlight for I guess just a couple of
four minutes.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
You rent it for, Like is it you pay by
the minute?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Like? Yeah, I don't, okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Well imagine also, maybe an earlier version of this, you're
attempting to siege a stronghold of vampires, right of not
straw to you need you need to ideally hit them
during the day when they're weak, Right, But sometimes you
get in situations and if you can get enough sunlight there,
(49:50):
even for I would say four minutes is generous. If
you get enough sunlight there, then you have a fighting chance.
You just have to make sure you get the app.
You know, you get the email sign up in advance
braving a new world. So the thing that mystifies me
about this, the reason I'm bringing it up here is
(50:13):
vampire jokes aside, it's the it's showing us similar technology
to cloud seating, to weather modification. Right, the idea of
the idea of cloud seating is genuine. It is legitimate. However,
it is pretty unspecific. Right. It led to disastrous things
(50:37):
not too long ago. And maybe this sunlight app will
be a boon to solve for the problems of solar
energy generation. Maybe people will use it as a flex
But that's where I'd like to end on this question.
Do you guys think there will be in as you
(50:59):
said Matt later in twenty twenty five, do you think
there will be people who pay to have the sun
at night?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah? I might do this. I would do this if
I don't know how much it costs. This seems like
a lot of fun, like just to prank your friends
or something.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
It feels like an elden Ring spell I did think
of you.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Oh, or to propose or something. All of a sudden,
a light comes on in the sky and like whatever,
I don't know, I could think of a million reasons
to have like a four minute spotlight on you randomly
in the dark.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
So moon juice is trash, but four minutes of out
of season sunlight is pert hell.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
I mean Yeahea, Luna Juice and sunshine on demand and
this sounds this does sound like Brave New World or
something along those lines.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
And Oasis is getting back together, probably based entirely on
this news, entirely on the moon juice research and reflect orbital.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
You know, Liam loves his moon juice.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
He's always talking about it. His Twitter is crazy. We've
been speaking a little bit about this Oasis reunion off air.
It is very much not conspiratorial, but it's definitely strange news.
And with that we're gonna call it an evening. We
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(52:18):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Nolah.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
our super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,
you are here. That makes this the stuff they don't
want you to know. Oh, folks, we're still catching up
with some jet lag. At least one of us was
(00:49):
running late to tonight's recording. But we return with some
fresh baked Strange News and yeah, and Matt wanted to
do a quick behind the scenes check in here. Earlier,
we were talking about meth in watermelon, and I had
(01:10):
mentioned that we said it on a recording of Strange News,
when in fact we had not. It was this episode
that we were going to mention it on.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Oh yeah, those melons, Man, weird fruit has been going
around and we talked about it a whole bunch in
an episode that just came out, So check that out
if you haven't listened to it yet. But these fake melons.
Do you want to do you want to give a
quick update on what they are been.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Well, they're definitely not watermelons. They are, in fact meth amphetamine.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Wait a minute, are you saying watermelons is methamphetamine? Are
these interchangeable?
Speaker 4 (01:48):
No way, these.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Things are not interchangeable, which is why law enforcement is
a little bit myfed Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yeah, they're myfed.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Are these are the ones that look like weird watermelon
and shaped Christmas presents?
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Is that yah? Okay goo Google, Yes, it's painted paper
made to look like a watermelon, but it's just got
methan there, m h And.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I guess that's our cold open.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's it.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And we've returned and today we are traveling to a
place called Idaho Springs, Colorado.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
What that doesn't make any sense?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, that's why I won't allow it. Remember Miamisburg, there
was in some other far flung.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Share they shout out, Well, this is Long Island.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
City is also not like in Long Island. Sorry, carry on.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Oh nuts. Well, Idaho Springs, Colorado is roughly thirty two
miles due west of Denver, Colorado, and we're going there
to explore a very recent and fast moving homicide case.
But before we get to the story, let's role play
for just a second. Guys. I'm curious to know what
y'all would do in this situation that I'm about to describe,
(03:00):
and then I'll tell you what I would do too,
and we'll just talk about maybe what all of us
should do in this kind of situation. So just imagine
that you guys didn't hear from me all day right
then I just didn't show up for a recording session,
and then still for twenty four hours after that time,
you didn't hear from me. I wasn't communicating on any
(03:21):
of the channels we usually talk on, and you just
couldn't get a hold of me. What would you do?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I would call a family member, a sibling, anyone that
I had the information, the closest person to you.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
That is what I would immediately do.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
I would probably do the same while moving to your
last known physical location.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
That's a really good point there. That's one of the
things that I think I would do, seriously, where I
would go to where I thought the person was, if
it was one of you guys, where I thought you
were a last right, that's without having any kind of
technological like ability to see somebody like if we because
we're well as of right now, we're not sharing our
locations with each other. I know a lot of people
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do that with like close.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Friends, come on, family, I do it with my kid.
I think it's important for Yeah, yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
That part I get. But it's like we don't have
air tags.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just learning a lot
about that, especially at least from what I've heard, women
will share their location with like a trusted close friend
if they're ever going out right and it's just boom,
that's the way you can find me, if you got
to find.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Me, Matt, Can I ask what point would you escalate
it to moving toward the location? Like, I don't think
you would do that just having not heard from somebody
for a couple of hours, just wondering.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
A couple of hours. Probably not. We have actually a
mutual friend who happens to work at iHeart that has
this tendency. This person isn't here immediately, but this person
will go in communicado for like forty eight hours. We're talking,
texting and calling, and it's just because this person is like, no,
I'm not dealing with that until it's time for whatever
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the next thing is that I need to deal with,
and it it has in the past been a thing
where I'm I have driven to a very far away
place to make sure that person is alive.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I know exactly who you're talking I think I need too.
But isn't it funny, though, how that expectation of immediate
response has become a thing.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I think it really does. It's not the way humans
should work. When you have the red receipts on stuff?
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Oh god, what psychotics leave those off?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
First of all, yeah, thank you, I our friends I
don't like actually see it.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Stop?
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Why do you respond that you hate me?
Speaker 3 (05:34):
I go from why are you responding to you hate me?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
In two steps.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So here we are. You've gone missing. You're not just
twenty minutes late to a recording like Ben Bullen the
jet lag. You are forty eight hours gone.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Just missing essentially, at least electronically. So let's say it's
two full days where you haven't heard from me, and
you do decide I'm going to go to his last
known location. You come to my house and when you
when you roll up, you realize, oh, the door appears
to be kicked in you step in drops dude, I
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mean everything in the house appears to have been gone through, tossed,
like drawers are empty.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
There.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's a ransacking, yes, exactly, terrifying. And then you notice, wait,
Meadows now here, Matt's dog isn't even at the house.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Matt would never put Meadow in jeopardy. That is not
mondo red flag.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, what's the move?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Then?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Just call the cops woof?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I mean like hypothetically, or.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Yeah, get a portfile. That's a big deal. That's evidence
of mouthfeasance.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
You know, Yeah, you.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Have to at that point. Sadly, the role players would
have to immediately contact authorities or a third party, because
if you stumble across that scene and you are the
first on the scene, oh boy, and you don't document it,
you are also becoming the number one suspect and you
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become spirits.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
That's a really good point. That's a really good point. Well,
what happens if you do that very thing and a
sheriff's deputy comes out to check out the situation, But
since there's no sign of me, the severity of the
situation isn't really felt at the sheriff's office. The whole
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missing person's thing kind of goes into effect. But what
if it takes two full days for anyone to organize
any kind of search for again me in this case,
but just your missing friend. You can't get the police
or the sheriffs to act for two more full days.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
That's rough because that also, I'm glad you're bringing this up.
This reminds me of the common myth in copaganda shows,
the idea that one must wait twenty four hours to
report a missing person totally not true, by the way, folks.
In fact, that twenty four hour time window is the
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best chance, it's the best series of hours you will
have to find a missing human individual.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Oh they say that on cop shows too, though on
kidnapping situations they always say that's the most crucial window
of time. So sort of contradict themselves a little bit.
But Matt, I mean, given the scene, surely that'd be
enough to get folks acting.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
It seems like it, right, And as we get into
the fine details of the story, I think you will
see why. It appears to be a no brainer that
something very bad happened at this house that we're going
to talk about to this person we're talking about before
we get into it quick. Note, this story takes place
in time exactly well, let's say approximately one week before.
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We record this episode on Wednesday, August twenty eighth, so
there are may be a few updates by the time
you hear it. If there are major updates, we'll try
and include them in some kind of a dendum at
the end of the story if we need to. But
here we go. This thing we're describing here happened to
a man named Paul Peevey and his friend Bruce Boynton.
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Bruce hadn't heard from Paul in two days, and this
was on Monday, August nineteenth, all the way till August
twenty first of this year, so he was starting to
get really worried. Bruce went to Paul's house to check
on him, and he found Paul's house to be ransacked.
He believed immediately that Paul had been the victim of
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some kind of foul play. This is a quote that
Bruce gave to CBS Denver. He said it was obvious
he found the house ransacked, and in the case of
Paul Peeve, I remember I mentioned my dog being gone.
How that was weird. Paul Pevy runs a dog breeding
company called Elite European Doberman's and he had ten puppies,
(09:58):
ten Doberman puppies staying at his place. They were with him,
they were part of his company, part of you know,
what he does for a living, but they're also under
his care. Ten puppies were missing from the home as
well as Paul. Paul was nowhere to be found.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Now, quick question, Matt, question, our fellow conspiracy realist will
be asking as well. Are the puppies microchip?
Speaker 2 (10:22):
They are so? And then that's gonna lead us down
the tracks there towards the end of like how do
we actually find out what happened or who maybe ransacked
the house and took the puppies and are those the
same people? And then also what happened to Paul Well
on August twenty first, that's a Wednesday, when Bruce went
to Paul's house found at ransacked. He called the police.
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A deputy was sent to the property the next day,
on August twenty second, to check it out, and he
saw the same things that Bruce saw in Paul's house.
And then, guys, it took two days to organize some
kind of party or to actually have a group of
officers out there to search in any way for Paul.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
That's a long delay.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
And once that search began, it took three or four
minutes before they discovered Paul's body on his own property
where the deputy had been, where his friend had been
looking around.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Wow, like buried under like some of the stuff that
had been ransacked.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Like, No, he was partially buried on the property somewhere.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yes, like the definition of shallow grave. Someone just threw
some stuff over a corpse.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I say, bold, that's not it's like a compliment that
is just cold and pretty desperate.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yeah, so it does appear to be a homicide pretty
much for sure. Those puppies. Oh and we should mention
here Paul Peve is fifty seven years old, or was
fifty seven years old at the time of this passing,
and he's been doing this for quite a while that
you can go to the website for Elite Europeandoberman's dot
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com and check out you know, the dogs and the
business and kind of who this person was and where
they're where it all was taking place, and you see
pictures of Paul winning awards for the animals that he
was bringing into the world and selling, but giving to
other people for you know, to have a beautiful animal.
It's just I don't know, it's kind of a sweet thing.
I know there are issues with breeding of all various animals.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
But clearly is it running a puppy mill. No. And
I appreciate you bringing up the age there, Matt, because
that may have played a part in law enforcements obvious
delay in investigating this, because, let's be honest, you know,
if it was if it was a nine year old child,
if it was maybe a person who had other people
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living with them, perhaps the investigators would have been a
little bit more pro act. I feel like that's a
fair point to bring up. This is a fifty seven
year old man who appears to at least from what
I understand, appears to have lived on his own.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
That's what I'm seeing too, So I guess maybe they
thought something else could be going on. I just maybe
I still just don't understand no matter what, Like if
there's a missing person, you've got a friend that's super concerned,
and then the house looks like that, right, I don't know,
I don't care how old that person is. If you're
a deputy, you immediately sound an alarm, be like, yo,
(13:31):
something's wrong, guys.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
One hundred percent kind of speaks to the somewhat I
don't know, times frustrating nature of law enforcement, where like,
it's also really difficult to report a stalker because until
they've done something, you know, actionable quote unquote, that's they
haven't actually broken the law, but you're sort of seeing
this behavior and fearing for your life. And while they
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maybe haven't done anything yet doesn't mean they're not going to,
but you're helpless to do anything about it until they've
hurt you. It's just, I don't know, just another example
of things that sometimes maybe the threshold for a police
intervening is a little high.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I'm sorry, innocent civilian, you cannot report the crime that
is about to happen. You can only report a crime
after it has occurred. Hope it's not fatal. Call us back.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
But also, please do not pre crime us. Everybody.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Thank you, Yeah, please style to for pre crime.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
So let's get back to the microchips thing you mentioned, Ben,
that's really important. You can go to the Clear Creek
County Sheriff's Offices Facebook page, seriously, and you can see
a post there that was made by whoever the admin
is there, and they are talking about this case. They're
noting that there was another Colorado Springs Doberman Puppies like
(14:53):
Craigslist ad that went out and just noting to everybody
who's paying attention to it, that is a separate business
and has nothing to do with these Doberman puppies, at
least from what they can tell. The people who made
that ad and who run that business were cooperative with
the investigation. Doesn't appear to be related the micro chipped puppies. Again,
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they're thinking around ten of them may have already been sold,
or a few of them have already been sold through
the website that was run there Elite European Doberman's that's
Paul's business, so they may have been sold in this
weird little time window that happened just before he went
in Communicado and missing. So they're asking everybody who purchased
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one of these Doberman's to reach out and talk to
them so they can at least get eyes on and
hear from individuals who purchased a puppy. The other puppies
that are missing hopefully can be eventually tracked down when
whoever is responsible for this gets desperate to either sell
one or put it through a system somewhere, and somebody
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takes it in for the first time to a vet
maybe something like that. But for now, at least as
of today, Wednesday, August twenty eighth, it appears that the
trail is a bit cold, at least from the forward
facing Facebook page of the Clear Creek County Sheriff's office.
One more thing to add here, guys, the Clear Creek
County Sheriff has officially publicly apologized for the amount of
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time it took to search for Paul, like as a
missing person. You can check out nine News. That's at
least where I found it. They have a YouTube page
and they have a video titled Clear Creek County Sheriff
apologizes after community finds missing Idaho Springs man dead and
that's talking about Paul, and you can read it or
(16:44):
you can hear. You can actually watch and hear the
apology if you wish there, guys, I don't really have
anything else on this one besides let's keep looking out
for information about this, and let's also think about I
don't know, are there ways that we can in I'm
sure that one of us would know if something was wrong,
other than just having to be in communicato with somebody
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for x amount of time before one of us gets
up and actually looks.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Maybe there's a way that's not intrusive but also keep
us more safe.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Perhaps this is inspiration for an episode. That's part of
the reason we do Strange News as a weekly segment.
One thing that would be very helpful is the establishment
of check in times. Honestly, if you have someone in
your life who may be elderly or maybe on or
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off various grids, it's also helpful as very easy opsect
in a world of spoof phone calls and weird text
It's also very helpful to have some sort of code
phrase and very easy to deploy.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Apparently Adam Sandler calls Rob Schneider every single week without fail.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Good to have a friend like Adam Sandler in your life.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
If you have a regular phone call, I think we
talked about that before, or some kind of regular meeting thing. Again,
like I use these recordings as an example because it's
one of the most regular occurring things that I have
in my life.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
In all of our lives, I think probably.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So yeah, something like that is good. But Ben, I like,
I like your point of a code word. That's interesting.
So if you ever did get in touch with one
of your friends and something was wrong, you could use
that word and then no one on the line would
know about you.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
Two.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
Me and my kid have a code emoji that anytime
they're out of sleepover or some social thing and they
get overwhelmed or they don't want to be there but
they don't want to say they want to leave, they
text me this emoji, and I know I need to
make it my fault, so I like tell them that
they're in trouble because they didn't do something and that
they're getting picked up because they have to come home.
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It's different but similar, but it is a very specific
emoji that no one else to use. And this it
also applied to any sort of obviously unsafe situation.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Well that's it for this segment, guys. We'll be right
back with more strange news. This just in we've got
some news. We are recording this on Saturday, August thirty first.
As of Friday, August thirtieth, the AP News has announced,
along with a lot of other news outlets, that a
man has been arrested in connection with the death of
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Paul Peevie that we've just been discussing. They've arrested a
man named Sergio Ferrer. Apparently this guy, Sergio was arrested
on August twenty fourth, just a few hours after the
body of Paul Peevey was discovered, and he was arrested
on a completely unrelated charge having to do with an
arrest warrant because he failed to appear in court Nebraska
(19:48):
on a weapons charge. So this guy is sitting there
in prison, and then the Sheriff's office, working with a
bunch of other law enforcement agencies, found enough evidence to
charge this man with first degree felony murder and aggravated
robbery in connection with the death of Paul Peevey. Now
keep in mind, while this man is under arrest and
he is charged with these crimes, he is innocent until
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he has proven guilty via evidence and a court or
you know all that stuff. Oh last thing, the puppies
haven't been found yet. Gosh, that's crushing news. I know
it was for me. Sorry to report that, but if
you hear anything about the puppies, if you see anything,
definitely let somebody know. We can't give up looking for
these puppies after an hour. We haven't put up posters
(20:34):
or anything. We've just been sitting around on our porches
like goons and waiting. We all got to think these
are all of our pets. We got a responsibility if
these dogs are lost, and they are, we don't look
for an hour and call it quits. We get our
asses out there and we find these fucking dogs. Yes,
that was a reference specifically for Adam Sandler in case
(20:56):
heverhears this, but it's also serious. Let's find these. So
there's your update. We'll keep looking for more and let
us know if you find anything after hearing this, We'll
be right back with more strange news.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
And we're back with another piece of strange news. This
is kind of a two prong story. It involves two
organizations that we talk about relatively frequently. One maybe we've
talked about a bit more frequently and not for particularly
good reasons, NASA and Boeing. You may have heard the
news that's astronauts, Butch Williams and Sunny Williams are getting
(21:38):
a little more than they bargained for in terms of
their time and space. They were intended to visit the
International Space Station for a ten day mission testing out.
It's my understanding some of the potential vulnerabilities of this
Boeing spacecraft called the star Liner, Well, it turns out
(21:59):
there were, indeed some pretty significant vulnerabilities. Are at the
very least issues technical issues because the thrusters of the
star Liner failed, and now because of reasons that we'll
get into, many of which are obvious, the logistics of
it all. What was once a ten day mission is
(22:20):
now potentially going to be months and months, I believe
upwards of eight months. They're going to be quote unquote
stuck in space. Not quite the same as being lost
in space.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
We know where they are.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
But yeah, this pretty abysmal performance by another Boeing product
seems to be at fault here. Did you follow this
story and have you heard much about this star Liner project.
It's my understanding that it's had problems since its inception,
like for many years, some.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Of which was software related. Now obviously this is quite
hardware related.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, we've been talking with a couple of conspiracy realist
about this on email. In particular, we want to start
with a shout out to the astronauts themselves. Barry Wilmore
and Sanita Williams. These astronauts fortunately are veterans in that
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literal rarefied air. This is not their first rodeo by
any means. In fact, Sanita Williams in particular holds several
records for things like marathons in space. These folks, if
you had to pick two experts to survive in space,
(23:40):
you'd be hard pressed to find two better people than
these individuals. So luckily they're doing a bang up job.
But also we see that this has been called an
embarrassment by Boeing. Oh absolutely, the folks at NASA are
the folks at NASA are making the right call there.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
One hundred percent in a streak of you know, continuous embarrassments,
you know that resulted in the CEO stepping down. And
I mean, it's just been an absolute abysmal year for Boeing.
And this certainly doesn't add any you know, positive spin
to the string of Boeing debacles. And it also isn't
a particularly great look for NASA, who, since suspending their
(24:24):
space Shuttle program back in twenty eleven, have been trying
to get it back off the ground. For lack of
a better term, that isn't quite so plenty. Another additional
embarrassment is that the private sector is actually having to
step in in order to let's I don't know, I
think the word rescue is maybe a little hyperbolic here,
(24:45):
but SpaceX is sending their Dragon spacecraft to shuttle the stuck.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
Astronauts back home.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
And just to be clear, the astronauts Barry Butch Wilmore
and Sanita Sunny Williams have been on the ISS since
June for that eight day mission, which obviously.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Already well past that window of time.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
And guys, I just have to say, we just had
a little bit of a talk off mic just to
kind of help clarify some things. Is it really as
dumb and as simple as they're needing to wait this
many months because SpaceX doesn't have a flight scheduled until then,
And Ben, you pointed out to me it is in
fact every bit as dumb and as simple as that.
(25:30):
And you, guys, I believe the troubled Starliner is going
to be I guess, for lack of a better term,
space toad back to Earth by Boeing to be examined
to see what the hell went wrong.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Well, that is a pretty expensive flight to go get
two passengers, don't you think sending a rocket up no
matter who made it, no matter how advanced the tech is.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
I do sometimes forget how ludicrously expensive these flights are
and how they have to take into account every bit
of weight, you know, of every bit of the payload
of whatever they're bringing or bringing back, and it is
absolutely mission critical that that is adhered to, you know.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
For safety reasons, for safety and financial reasons.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
So while we maybe don't have an exact number of
what that flight is going to cost, in the past,
we've looked at the budgets for these kind of flights
and they are often in the millions, right, I mean
just in terms of like one of these flights, So
it's it's nothing to sneeze at. So the fact that
they're having to wait that long, because we know SpaceX
has had some issues in the past as well, and
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I'm sure they're planning for a big launch, a big show,
and they want to make sure everything you know, goes
off as planned without a hitch, and so they're not
going to rush this. And apparently to your point, Ben,
the astronauts are not like outwardly angry about it, and
I believe it's going to involve some sort of record.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, absolutely, we do know. I appreciate you pointing out
the fact that no outer space human engineered enterprise has
gotten things one hundred percent correct. It's just impossible at
this point. It is also very expensive, and with great
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respect to the professionals involved on ground and in space.
When you guys are talking about the cost of these launches,
I kept having that line from the Heath Ledger Joker
playing in my head. It's not about money, it's about
sending a message.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Sure, so that's appropriate here, I think, sure, I don't
know if it's appropriate, but well, it's wildly it's appropriately inappropriate,
and I think it's a I think it totally lands jeez,
can't not make funds because words, you know, mean different things.
But I think this is a really interesting story and
the fact, I do think maybe the most interesting part
of this is that it hasn't been reported so much
(27:55):
as another Boeing up. It's it's much more about these
astronauts are stuck in space and the sort of hyperbolic,
you know, notion of astronauts being stuck in space. So
I don't know if Boeing pr is working overtime and
a little bit in the spin zone. But I have
not seen Boeing front and center much in this store,
(28:15):
at least in the reporting that I've seen, and I
do have to wonder if that's a product of any
clever media, you know, manipulation.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
We talked about this a little bit before. It is
a fully separate segment of the company bull that, right,
which would have to be different entities.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Yeah, still it's the name it It's not doing so
hot overall.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
But the major problem with Boeing the airline company is
that they outsource all of those different parts, right, that
then get manufactured and far flowing parts of the world,
which are then brought together in a factory somewhere where
actual facts. Boeing employees generally put together those pieces, and
they're finding that the pieces don't fit so.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Good, right, And I mean, I'm a perfect example of
how easy it is to throw the baby out with
the bathwater.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
When you hear stories about.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Boeing at large having all of these technical problems, and
you hear about a Boeing spacecraft having technical problems, and
you immediately put it together that yes, one thing is
related to another. So while that may not be the case.
It certainly isn't the best pr opportunity here for Boeing.
Obviously no one was hurt, but surely it's going to
be incredibly expensive to tow this thing or to get
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this thing back to Earth. As mentioned previously in terms
of how these kind of missions can just balloon manned
or unmanned. And there's a really great article in the
Conversation about the kind of history of this project and
apparently it's been.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
A bit troubled for about a decade.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So yeah, it's the Boeing partnership with NASA went back
to the very beginning of the space program, you know,
back from Marin or ten and the early Shuttle program.
But this particular project has been in the works for
about ten years and has faced multiple issues getting functional.
And to your point, Ben, these kind of setbacks are
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part and parcel of you know, exploring the outer reaches
of space.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
So yeah, unfortunately, you can't make a you can't make
an automobile without risking the possibility of car accidents. Yes,
that's one way to put it.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Futurism points out something really interesting, and that is that
when they're sending it back as you said, Ben unmanned right,
They're sending the entire capsule and the whole thing back Sunliner.
The star Liner. As it re enters, it is going
to separate from the thrusters, the propulsion systems of the
crew to cabin and the propulsion system. The propulsion system
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is what got all those gas leaks, and that is
the reason that they couldn't send the astronauts back on
the system. But as it separates, guess what it crashes
into the burns up mostly as it's going through the atmosphere,
so nobody can do any forensics on the thing. So
nobody can know exactly what went wrong so they can
fix it for the next time.
Speaker 4 (31:10):
That's a sticky situation.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
They also don't know for sure that things will go wrong.
There are some fascinating quotes that may or may not
reassure you, fellow groundwalkers. Let's go to There was a
conversation like a press club conversation with Steve Stitch, the
(31:32):
Commercial Crew program manager of NASA, and this is how
Stitch described or portrayed NASA and Boeing's relationship called it
quote just a little disagreement in terms of the level
of risk. It depends on how you evaluate risk. We
(31:55):
did it a little differently with our crew than Boeing
did so Primarily, what they're doing is keeping these astronauts
safe while avoiding the possibility of something going horribly wrong. Right,
there are so many redundancies baked in. There's a lot
of news saying Boeing is, you know, air quotes humiliated
(32:19):
or embarrassed. But everybody's making the right call.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
I would agree, and again, like the astronauts in question
are not at the very least outwardly griping to the press.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
You know about this so.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Seems like something of a non issue, but it is interesting,
and I think part of the interesting thing about it
that I mentioned earlier is the way it's being reported on.
It just kind of really puts in the focus the
kind of hyperbolic nature of these types of headlines is
the notion that astronauts are stuck in space and that
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it's ruining everything, you know. I just think that's it
does encourage one to read past the headlines. I would
say a little bit, as we always try to do
here on strange news, on stuff they don't want you
to know.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
I do like this idea your taking though nol. You
should write an article entirely blaming the astronauts. You know,
I love this idea. Privileged but whole astronauts waste space. Yeah,
it give me just speaking sound like fire festival somehow.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
That is what the is is is. Basically, it's just
a floating space bound fire festival.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Let's go, Let's do a full anti astronaut show.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
Yeah, I'm sure we can get the busses to pay
for Well, that's all for now. Let's take a quick
break here, work more sponsors, and then come back with
one more piece of strange news.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
And we have returned, folks, not just with you and
thank you as always for joining us, but to space.
Something interesting happened quite recently. The nation of China has
produced enormous quantities of water using lunar soil. We're talking
(34:15):
about moon juice is how I'd like to refer to
it as a piece of technical nomenclature. If sustainable, reproducible,
this will solve one of the big problems with the
idea of life on the moon, with creating a population
(34:36):
of literal lunatics. We've known for some time that the
Moon does harbor the possibility of potable water. We talked
about it in recent evenings, the idea of life on
the moon in subterranean little Heidi holes. Right, returning back
(34:59):
to the trogoldic trends of earlier humans, I don't know.
First off, since we role played in the beginning this evening,
i'd like to role play here again. If you guys
were offered a job as water miners on the moon,
(35:19):
how much would you have to be paid per year?
Speaker 3 (35:21):
That's tough, I mean, because you'd have to be gone
a long time.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
It would have to be really, really worthwhile for your family. Yeah,
I would argue you might.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
They might target people who were in dire straits who
really needed it bad.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
I'll tell you what, Smarter people than me are going
to do that calculation, and it's going to benefit the
smarter people.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I'll tell you that upfront.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, if I was qualified to do it, and I
had some science background and I didn't have a family,
three hundred and twenty four thousand dollars a.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
Year seems legit, but probably honestly.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Right, I don't know. That seems like a lot to me, okay.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
But also, I mean, given given the circumstances, you outlined.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
You're a supervisor though for that salary, right, you're leading
the freaking expedition.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
And then you're a digger. He's a moonline boy.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Right.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Are they paying for your housing?
Speaker 3 (36:22):
You know, Robert, heinline is to be believed, one would,
one would, one would.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Hope, right, so they're they're also, in that case, hopefully
paying for your food at this point. Or maybe you
wash up there and it's indentured servitude.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
Firefest all over again.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
You got a piece of white bread and some withered
lettuce for your one meal a day.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
You say, gosh, I'm thirsty, and they say, well, get
to the mind, get to the toilet.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Isn't for you, This is for the rich people on
Earth in their biodomes.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Oh that's you know, that reminds me the concept of
resource extraction. There. You might be surprised, folks, to learn
that countries creating the best coffee in the world, the
people who actually live in those countries, for the most part,
are drinking espresso, you know, instinct coffee, because who on
(37:19):
Earth could afford this crazy expensive resource. And perhaps that
that's what we'll get to here. After three years of
in depth research and repeated reproducible processes. The Chinese government
has confirmed there's a brand new method of using lunar soil,
(37:43):
moon dust, moon dirt to produce large amounts of water.
This is a game changer. You can read about it widely.
One of the best sources here in the West is Reuters.
China is aiming to set up what they call a
basic station on the Moon by twenty thirty five. And
(38:05):
I love that they're calling it a basic station.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Do we get the deluxe station?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Right? That's the idea. When do you get moon plus?
Speaker 4 (38:12):
You got a pasture for that? I guess.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Okay, let's get into the science. How do you turn
lunar soil into freaking water?
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I mean, is it a matter of extracting like trace
amounts of moisture from huge volumes of soil.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
It's kind of like the magic of belief.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Now, well, okay, according to what I'm looking at ben well,
at least according to Reuter's, China's state broadcaster CCTV says
that it's because there's a large amount of hydrogen that
exists in the soil. Like I guess, naturally recurring hydrogen
in lunar.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Soils sciencing it up.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Okay, so if you heat it very very high, you
can probably add some oxygen to the mix somehow and
get water I'm assuming.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah. What they found was you could take one unit
of lunar soil and produce a pretty impressive output of
potable water. So one like one British ton of soil
can make minimum fifty kilograms of water, which maths out
(39:26):
to the daily drinking water consumption of a crew of
fifty people if they're not too thirsty.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
But like, one of the big problems we always run
into back here on Earth and things that lead to
potential water wars is that like we can't make more
water like or it's two energy prohibitive, you know, cost
prohibitive to desalinate like ocean water or whatever. So what
is so unique about this hydrogen that we can't reproduce
(39:58):
that here on Earth?
Speaker 1 (39:59):
It's or a question of the problem that they're solving
here or what they're solving for is not the same
problems we're solving for on Earth. The problem on Earth
is totable safe water. How best to create that without
also destroying the environment? Right, that's desalination technology is huge.
(40:25):
But to your point, it is relatively impractical on Earth
because there are other methods of ensuring clean water for
the humans on the planet. They're just the boring stuff
no one wants to do, like number one, conserve water
or number two be a little nicer to the environment.
(40:45):
People don't want to hear that. The problem that China
is attempting to solve for on the Moon is to
get past the great issue of supply chains. Water is
please beat me here, doc, water is being cartoonishly heavy.
If you have ever been hiking, if you have ever
(41:06):
been in a situation where you have to carry around
liquid water, you know it is super inconvenient. It's like
realizing how many books you own when you have to
move from one house to the next.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
So the problem that you're solving for is more like
for creating water for people already in space in a
practical way rather than having a transport it. So at scale,
my question being, this would not be efficient on Earth.
It could be done, but it just doesn't make any sense,
and it wouldn't be like some grand scale solution to.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Our water shortage problem.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
Right, Yeah, that's that's well put. It doesn't It doesn't
solve the same problems that we have on Earth. If
you are thinking through a long term occupation of the
moon and you're allowing for all the human things, right,
you want to solve stuff like radiation exposure by putting
(42:00):
people underground, right beneath a healthy shield of rock, And
then you want to solve for the water. The next
thing is the food, right, how do you how do
you get how do you get past that part? And
then after that, I'm sure we'll get to sanitation issues.
Where do people poop? What happens to their poop? Have
you thought about the spell.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
And how do you reconstitute it to get some moisture,
because you know, you imagine this is like having technology
that is a soil to water microwave machine kind of
thing that you put this you put a ton of
soil in it, and you get one hundred bottles of
water that are like what they they say, seventeen point
(42:43):
six ounces or five hundred millimeters. So I mean, that's great.
It's a magic machine that'll do that for the folks
that are already up there. And you only got to
send that machine one time out to the lunar surface, right,
which is great, But in theory, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
The solar energy on the moon is going to be
(43:04):
so nice to have though.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Nice, nice set up foreshadowing. I love it. Also, if
you need to support your local lunatics, right then what
you'll do, I would argue, what you would do in
the era of capitalism, is sell very expensive moon water.
You know what I mean. You make it for peanuts
(43:26):
up there, and then you charge like, what's the what
is the fair price for a small bottle of moonwater
for the type of folks you buy cyber trucks? You
know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Yeah, exactly, I'd say about the price of a bar
of astronaut ice cream.
Speaker 4 (43:44):
That's what I paid for it.
Speaker 3 (43:45):
Now. It's definitely worth more than that. Asher and ice
cream is pretty busting though.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Yeah, agreed. I think we were all keeping that front
of mind anytime we have a conversation about the moon. Matt,
do you have some news about moonwater? No?
Speaker 2 (43:59):
I thought, Hey, a great name for moonwater would be
Luna or Lunar or some I was trying to come
up with a bottle of water from the moon name.
But they've already it's all taken.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
It's done. Check out our Luna TikTok.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
Also till Neslie gets to the moon, then I'll Betsy'll
be off.
Speaker 2 (44:19):
There's one called Aqua Luna moonwater, and it's just like
alkaline water or something that looks super high in and expensive.
Speaker 3 (44:27):
Soon that'll be considered false advertising.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
We are getting into moonwater. That's what I'm persuaded by. Lake.
I am convinced by the arguments here code named Doc.
You have to be on board with us technically on
this one. We also, if you like our long suffering
super producer, are not persuaded by our initial pitch for moonwater,
(44:53):
we have another thing we can sell you via our
good friends at reflect Orbitals. Have you ever been walking
around at night, you guys, and thought it's inconvenient to
me that the passage of the Earth and the Sun
doesn't obey my schedule all the time. And Matt's not
(45:16):
solemnly here a couple of boffins at a place called
reflect Orbitals want to build space mirrors to reflect sunlight
onto solar panels at night. According to their official website,
this is that that's their primary goal, right. They want
(45:36):
to solve for the problem of solar energy. However, the
reason they're in the news is because if everything works out,
when the infrastructure they're proposing, you can pay for them
to send sunlight to you, no matter what time of
day it is, no matter where you are on this
(45:56):
wide wide world.
Speaker 2 (45:58):
Can you, Ben, Can you confirm to me? I could
not figure out if this was real or not. It
seems so not real to me. I saw a viral
video of some sort where a dude has an app
and the like clicks on the app and then they
look up in the sky and a giant light looked
that looks like sunlight beans down on them and it's
(46:18):
in the middle of the night, and you're like what
And it.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
Sounds like it's a cryptocurrency scam, like we're gonna send
you some sunlight through your app.
Speaker 4 (46:26):
Like that's like the name of a cryptotoken something.
Speaker 1 (46:30):
Worse token for it.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
What is the deal though?
Speaker 4 (46:33):
Man? Is that?
Speaker 3 (46:34):
What's Matt? What Matt's described? I haven't seen this and
this is news to me.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Yeah, this is fascinating And I love the points you
guys are bringing up because first things first, that fancy video,
in my opinion, it's just that it's a fancy video.
It's intriguing, it's fun to watch, it is aspirational. How
(46:57):
about that?
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (46:59):
And and part of the I'm describing it as such
is due to multiple iterations of research by journalist, particularly
Stan Schroeder over at Mashable, who note that when the
CEO of this startup, Ben Noak, introduced this video to
the world, he posted it on x and he in
(47:24):
the video, which is inspirational, you see him using, as
Matt described, an app to pinpoint a location, and then
when he hits that, when he drops a pin right
to go back to our earlier conversation, when he shares
his location with the app, it appears that an actual
(47:47):
physical beam of light hits him where he's standing with
astonishing fidelity. Big if true. Cool cool cool. But in
the near future, this, this level of I think specificity
(48:08):
is still not something humans possess. You can't call a
spotlight to you via via the communication of light through
mirrors on that scale. Yet, however, you can do something like.
Speaker 2 (48:23):
It, well yeah, I mean on their website reflect orbital
dot com. You can reserve a spot like you can
say where you want sunlight to be. The duration is
four minutes, the diameter is five kilometers, It's huge, and
then delivery begins they say Q four twenty five. All
(48:45):
you have to put in there is your name, your
phone number, an email, the organization and why do you
want to spot a sunshine at night? Pal?
Speaker 1 (48:52):
That's that's you got to answer that question, right, yeah,
along with your social Security number list and no example.
Speaker 3 (49:01):
I'm sorry, I just don't understand. What's the point of this?
What is this is a gimmick? I don't I don't
understand at all.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Imagine. Imagine you're trying to like get a quick charge
on some solar panels or something. Right, you do a
spot of sunlight for I guess just a couple of
four minutes.
Speaker 3 (49:22):
You rent it for, Like is it you pay by
the minute?
Speaker 4 (49:25):
Like? Yeah, I don't, okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Well imagine also, maybe an earlier version of this, you're
attempting to siege a stronghold of vampires, right of not
straw to you need you need to ideally hit them
during the day when they're weak, Right, But sometimes you
get in situations and if you can get enough sunlight there,
(49:50):
even for I would say four minutes is generous. If
you get enough sunlight there, then you have a fighting chance.
You just have to make sure you get the app.
You know, you get the email sign up in advance
braving a new world. So the thing that mystifies me
about this, the reason I'm bringing it up here is
(50:13):
vampire jokes aside, it's the it's showing us similar technology
to cloud seating, to weather modification. Right, the idea of
the idea of cloud seating is genuine. It is legitimate. However,
it is pretty unspecific. Right. It led to disastrous things
(50:37):
not too long ago. And maybe this sunlight app will
be a boon to solve for the problems of solar
energy generation. Maybe people will use it as a flex
But that's where I'd like to end on this question.
Do you guys think there will be in as you
(50:59):
said Matt later in twenty twenty five, do you think
there will be people who pay to have the sun
at night?
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Yeah? I might do this. I would do this if
I don't know how much it costs. This seems like
a lot of fun, like just to prank your friends
or something.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
It feels like an elden Ring spell I did think
of you.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
Oh, or to propose or something. All of a sudden,
a light comes on in the sky and like whatever,
I don't know, I could think of a million reasons
to have like a four minute spotlight on you randomly
in the dark.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
So moon juice is trash, but four minutes of out
of season sunlight is pert hell.
Speaker 3 (51:36):
I mean Yeahea, Luna Juice and sunshine on demand and
this sounds this does sound like Brave New World or
something along those lines.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
And Oasis is getting back together, probably based entirely on
this news, entirely on the moon juice research and reflect orbital.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
You know, Liam loves his moon juice.
Speaker 1 (51:56):
He's always talking about it. His Twitter is crazy. We've
been speaking a little bit about this Oasis reunion off air.
It is very much not conspiratorial, but it's definitely strange news.
And with that we're gonna call it an evening. We
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(52:18):
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