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Speaker 1 (00:01):
On The Bechdel Cast.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
The questions asked if movies have women and them, are
all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, or do they
have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zephim fast start changing it
with the Bechdel Cast.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Caitlin, it's a party.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
It is a party.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
We're celebrating they We're celebrating the passage of time.

Speaker 3 (00:24):
And how the more you know, the more you need
to know. Isn't that a thrilling wow?

Speaker 4 (00:30):
It has been eighty four years and we.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
Have coveredel cast.

Speaker 4 (00:36):
Yes, and in those eighty four years, we've covered five
hundred movies.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Yes, Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
My name is Caitlin Durante. And normally this is our
show where we examine a specific movie every episode and
analyze it through an intersectional feminist lens. This week, we
have two main things on the agenda. One is to
plug a little tour we have coming up and make

sure everyone knows about it so that you can come
to the shows. And we're also celebrating covering five hundred
movies over the course of doing this podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yes, So we're gonna do a little retrospective, have a
little bit of fun, and then we'll be back next
week with you're regularly scheduled programming. But first, Yeah, we
just went to remind everyone that if you live in
the UK are Dublin, we are coming for you, non
threateningly and with love. Yes, at the end of May.

So let's run through. Where are we going, Caitlin, do
tell me?

Speaker 4 (01:46):
Well, I will tell you. First, we are going to London.
We are doing two shows on May twenty second. The
first show we're covering Shrek because we should say, this
is the.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Shrek tur yes, and you don't need it broken down
for you figure it out.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
If you can't figure it out, don't come. Please come.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah, So the early show we're gonna be talking about Shrek.
The later show on that same evening we're talking about
Titanic again. That's May twenty second in London. Then we
are going to Oxford on May twenty fourth. This is
part of the Saint Audio Podcast Festival and we're covering Titanic.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
I ever heard of it? Yeah, if you've listened to
this show or if you exist genes is our yes
you have.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Then we are going up to Edinburgh on May twenty
sixth for a show on Shrek because Edinburgh's in Scotland,
Shrek is Scottish. It just makes sense.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
And again, if you live in Edinburgh and you need
this explain to you, don't come. No, please come, please come,
please come, do come.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
And then we are doing a show in Manchester on
May twenty eighth that is a Titanic show. And then
recently we have added a final show in Dublin on
May twenty ninth that's also a Titanic show. And what
we want to make clear is that have we done

about eight hundred episodes on Titanic already? We have, It's true,
but this is gonna be a whole new slate of stuff.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Yeah, it really is like mainly a celebration of the
show itself and all of like the goofy ness. We're
gonna be wearing ridiculous outfits. We are going to talk
about the movies themselves, but we also know you've heard
us talk about these movies over the years. We're going
to have a broad conversation, but we're also gonna like
play games, have fun, exclusive merch. Like it is like

a celebration of not just these movies which we love
to celebrate as if they are gods, but.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Also to celebrate the show and celebrate the community.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
It's going to be super, super fun, and we're pumped
to see everybody.

Speaker 4 (04:06):
I'm editing so many videos to screen at the shows.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Caitlin is going, yeah, and I'm drawing so many pornographic
images of us to sell at the show that are
like cartoons, So don't even be scared, and please purchase them.
It would be so great if you purchase the pornographic
images we're making.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
All that said, please come. We're really excited.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
And same thing with the Shrek shows. Yes, we've covered
all four Shrek movies, but.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
We can bring all of that information.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
To you in new and interesting ways.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Caitlin, I haven't told you this, but I'm hoping. I'm
aspiring and I may in fact hold you hostage. Whoa
to do a challenge? I call all four Shreks no
pee breaks before we depart.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Like watch a marathon, a shrek athon.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
A Shrek athon.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Yeah, well, yeah, I'm up to the challenge.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
I oh, I have no doubt.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
I have no doubt two thousand and eight that you
can do it, that I can do it, and that
in fact, we were born to do it, so we're
really excited.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Please come out.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yes, at the end of the day, we have covered
five hundred movies.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
Caitlin Durante, it.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Is can you believe it?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
It is shocking.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
It is shocked, And to be clear, I mean whatever,
I feel like we're always qualifying things and apologizing for
things that people are not asking us to do.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
And if that's not the fem experience.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
No, but we have covered five hundred movies between the
main feed and our Patreon ak Matreon, which we have
had since twenty seventeen.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
If you're like, oh, no, there's.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
No new episode of the Bechdel Cast this week, really,
then you can head over there. It's five bucks a
month for two new episodes and access to over one
hundred and fifty of these movies we're talking about. Yes,
but yeah, we recently hit five hundred movies covered, which
is wild because we we've covered some movies multiple times.
I mean like obviously Titanic we've covered multiple times, and

then there's a few episodes that we were strictly based.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
On our own knowledge. Well maybe that's a fun place.

Speaker 4 (06:13):

Speaker 1 (06:14):
A shaved of this podcast started in twenty sixteen.

Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yes, we were different people.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
Those eight whole years ago or eighty four years ago.
It's been depending on how you experienced time.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I think spiritually, honestly, like I've been seeing more and
more sort of thoughts and articles, et cetera about how
the passage of time in the last five years has
just like not quite been correct.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
We are in a weird time. We're a warp time
loop multiverse. Something is happening. It's an interstellar thing, it's
a Tenant thing. It's just a lot of like Christopher
Nolan movies and how time is experienced by those characters,
that is what is happening to us.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
See, I only saw a Tenant at I think I've
heard this experience from a lot of people that and
I kind of not to be like justice for Tenant
because who cares. But like I know some people who
recently saw when Tenant was like re released into Imax,
and they're like, oh, that movie was actually really good,
because I think many of us saw Tenant either on

our TVs or I saw it. I've heard this story
many times of like saw it at the drive in
in a desperate attempt to leave the home and feel
like you're having a communal experience.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
So the two movies I saw at the.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Drive in during lockdown and this is so bleak is
Tenant which impossible, impossible to understand from forty feet away
if you're in like over a radio signal.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Not good.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Even if you're closer, you're not able to understand it.
It is an unfollowable movie.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
It's confused when you're surrounded by it, much.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Less from far away, like and you have your dog
and you're like, ahhuh ah. And then I also saw
Promising Young Woman at a drive in, which is like,
however you feel about that movie?

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Not a drive in movie for sure, like real bomber
to see at the drive in.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Anyways, I have to rehabilitate my relationship with a drive in.
The point is this show has been on for a
long time, and the show is I mean, we've talked
about the origins of the show many times. We don't
need to recap that here, but it's changed a lot
over the years.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
And yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
I'm proud of our little show, Caitlin. I'll say, oh
my gosh, I'm so proud of it. I feel so
lucky and privileged, not only that this is my job,
because it's a job that I love doing so much.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
And it did not start as this is like you
know whatever, very much started as like when we have
time at an act.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Of financial loss sort of thing. So we're very lucky
that has turned into a job.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Truly, and I also just feel so lucky and honored
to be working so closely with you, Jamie Oka. I
feel so lucky.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
I may yeah, yeah, I like should we cry? No? No, okay, fine,
No I can't right now.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
It's because I honestly I could cry, but I just
ate popcorn and all the salt is in my mouth.
I feel like I couldn't even force it into my eyeballs.
If I was feeling emotional, which I am. Does that
make sense, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
I'm not really sure what's happening physiologically.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Which I just feel like you but you've got to
pick a hole to have your salt right now it's
in my mouth. I could do the like Liz Lemon
thing where I start crying out of my.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Mouth after she gets like off brands never start drooling,
which also has kind of been my current reality.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Anyways, No, kay, I love you so much. I like
I we have grown so close and like grown together
through making this show, and I just feel I feel lucky.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
It's somebody.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
I just feel lucky to be a friend of yours
at all. And also I just I don't know, I
feel like we're really lucky to have you. Like I
was saying this the other day, I was like, Caitlin
and I are like talking common law married, like we are, Yeah,
yes we're common law married podcast wise, and and also
friendship whiy, Like it's just.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
I don't know, I'm so grateful for you.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
It's beautiful. I love that we spend holidays together, we
go to Universal together.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
We have we have we have theme park passes to
use together.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
We get our souls stolen on the Mummy ride regularly,
we take pictures with Shrek regularly.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
We avoid Beetlejuice regularly. And I also, I mean, I
really do think that like this show. But also you
specifically have like opened me up to movies that I
would not normally see and end up really loving this
show in general. It has really broadened my horizons in
terms of I mean in terms of a lot of things,

but just in terms of seeing things and in terms
of like thinking about movies.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
It about who's making.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
Them, and about like what I like and appreciate in
movies in a way that I didn't when this show started.
I was like, very much for someone with a film degree,
a very casual film watcher prior to this show.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
You the other day were like, I'm gonna be in
Boston and there's a Lord of the Rings marathon that
I might go to of all three Lord of the
Rings movies, And I'm like, Jamie, what did you just
say to me?

Speaker 3 (11:47):
I know I'm different. I've changed.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 3 (11:50):
I've changed.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
And I also think said no pee breaks. I'm really
like addicted to the.

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Idea of pissing your pants.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
Infinite movies. No pea breaks.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah, I don't really know, but yeah, I there are
interests and like appreciations, and also like we've made friends
with our guests through making this show. It's just been
absolutely wonderful. And I think like one of the things
that I think was a cool kind of turning point

throughout this show was like I think it was between
like maybe late twenty eighteen into early Lockdown, where we
had covered a lot of movies that were, you know,
kind of generally blockbusters, or culturally formative in the broadest
sense during the time that we were growing up, and

then when we started to run out of those movies,
realized that, like, the show needs to evolve in all
of these ways. And not only have our guests obviously
been tremendously helpful in helping the show grow and sort
of broadening the kinds of movies we look at and
the movies we're championing and like who we are, Like,

you know, I think like early bepelcasts us is like
we're gonna cover Michael Bay movies because people have seen those,
and you know us now it's like, I think we're
more discerning and we're trying to and I just I
don't know. I think that that has so much to
do with our guests and what our guests bring us,
as well as what our listeners bring us and have

asked for as time goes on. And it's really wonderful,
it really is.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
And I loved seeing the show grow, and I certainly
have grown myself. I don't think I would be this.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Three inches taller than when we started. I'm six two.

Speaker 4 (13:52):
Whoa, I'm rag five inches shorter somehow, Oh my god,
I know I'm sick. No, I've certainly grown as a
feminist by doing this show. I don't think I would
be as fervent and militant to feminist as I am
now if it were not for this show and all

of the research that I've had to do along the way.
And I'm grateful to the show and to feedback from
our listeners and insights from our guests for kind of
informing and shaping my journey with feminism. So it's just
been such a wonderful experience.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
It's been really great.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
So if you are a new or long time lister,
we've covered five hundred movies, and we have sort of
a dual interest here. We are interested in over the years,
what have been your favorite episodes? What are episodes that
have stuck with you? Because you know, we've covered five
hundred movies, but there's still at least movies we haven't covered.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
Yeah, twenty more movies.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Exist, twenty two movies we haven't covered that have been released.
But yeah, I mean, i'd be super curious of like,
over the years, what are episodes that you still think about?
What are types of episodes, what are guests that have
stuck with you?

Speaker 3 (15:21):
And then moving forward.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
We have had gosh, I think over a half decade now,
we've had our request page where listeners can send us
requests that have I think has become kind of increasingly
important in the show as time goes on, because we
want to know what our listeners want to hear, and
then we'll generally, you know, with some exceptions. It's like

there's no hard rules with our show, never really has been,
but we will first show potential guests the movies that
you want to hear about, and we want to you know,
show a diverse range of directors. We want to show
more diversity in like the times movies have come out,
because we've covered every single movie that came out in

two thousand and.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Three at this point, yep. And yeah, we want to
know what you're what you're.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Interested in hearing us talk about moving forward. So this
has bafflingly become h endorsement of an old Google doc
that we have that will be linked in the description.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yes, which we rarely plug, but it is.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
I know, I feel like it's really like and if
you know, you know thing.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
It's true, right, But it is readily available on our
link tree, which is also where you can get the
tickets to that Shrek Tannic tour we were just talking about. Yeah,
but yeah, if you go to link tree slash spectal Cast,
you will see our listener request form. You will see
our letterboxed account, which we also.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Where we put our requests.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Yeah, I guess we haven't plugged it in a while,
and then we just end up getting a million dms
being like.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
When are you going to talk about poor things? And
it's like, oh my god.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Soon if not already, because we recorded the episode it's forthcoming.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Or and it was hard, So you're welcome.

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Yeah, yes, so yeah, we've got all kinds of goodies
over there on our link tree, so check that out.
But yeah, we are curious about what you'd like us
to hear that we haven't covered already. So yeah, fill
out that form and generally if we see a you know,

commonly recurring movie on the request form, then we'll add
it to our letterbox list of like frequent requests and
so that's kind of how we do it.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
And well and we'll find a guess that wants to
talk with us about it. Yeah, so you do have
you do have power.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
It's true, and you know how you can have even
more power is to join our Matreon and oh.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
We're pugging the Patreon for a second time.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Yeah, just let people know head over there.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah, we're we're switching our focus over there for on
and off for the next couple of months to focus
on women directors ever heard of them?

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Ever heard of them?

Speaker 1 (18:10):
But we're because you know, because of the arc of time. Uh,
you know, we have ended up covering quite a few
movies directed by men, regrettably, but also Shrek and Titanic.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
You know, it's.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Hard, true, So we were we're focusing on movies directed
by women over on the Matreon aka patreon, aka call
it what you want.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Just give us five dollars.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
And we're starting with a month of women directed comedies.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (18:40):
And I mean, finally, I just wanted to I feel
like we do this every so often, but like, we're
very very grateful to our listeners. Obviously the show wouldn't
exist with value. Every time someone's like says that to
a show, I listened to him, like, no, fucking dull, Yeah, Noah,
listened to your show.

Speaker 3 (18:59):
You'll be broke.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Oh it's true.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
Anyways, we are very very grateful to our listeners like
over the years, I feel like so much of what
has moved the show to change and grow has been
our listeners being I mean, I think, being very like,
kind and firm about what they want to hear. And

it's really cool. I feel lucky that we have the
community that we do.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
We have the best listeners, we really do.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
It's so every time we go on tour, I'm like,
oh my god, the nicest people in the world listen
to our show. And then I have imposter syntems like
we're pieces of shit.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
No, like Cayln, we fucking suck. Why are these nice
people here?

Speaker 4 (19:46):
No, we're nice. We're so nice.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
We're so We're so lucky to have such an intelligent
and kind and funny group of people listening to our show.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
It's really cool not to get parasocial in the roof.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
But the point is we've covered five Hedrick movies.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Yeah, and so we are.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
We are taking this week off and then returning to
your regular, rely scheduled programming. But we just wanted to
take a moment to say thank you and celebrate.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Because this show is the best show. Sorry if you
didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
Yeah, now you know. And yeah, share any fond memories
you have shared, any highlights. Remember when Alfred Molina was
a guest who could forget?

Speaker 1 (20:35):
I remember? And I really were like, we're gonna reminisce,
and I'm like, I don't remember anything except Alfred Molina.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
I know. Anytime someone's like, what's your favorite episode, I'm like,
I don't remember what I did yesterday, and I simply
can't be expected to remember anything from before that. So
we've had great times. I know it, I just don't
remember it really.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
And if that's not Tenant, and if that ain't Tenant, maybe.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Actually no, that's a different Christopher Nolan movie aka Memento.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
I don't want to watch it right now.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
You don't have to to all of our listeners, thank
you for being with us for so long or so
new or so short, or maybe you just came back.
We don't know, but yeah, we will be back next
week and if you'd like to hang with us in
the meantime, if again, if you're in the UK or Dublin,
please come to our tour soon and if you want
a new episode.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Head over to the Patreon and we will see you there.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yes, one last little plug because I am doing a
few extra shows on this little European excursion that will
be on I'm doing a show on my literal birthday
in Dublin on May seventeenth. It's a stand up show
and I'll be doing a long set and the rest

of the lineup are amazing local comedians from Dublin. So
come out and watch some hilarious stand up comedy from
yours truly, and you kind of have to do it
because it's my birthday, so.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
Or you're kind of being a bully, you're not being.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Which includes me. I'm sorry, I can't be there, but
it's okay, it's.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Good, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
It's Irish law to go see Caitlin's birthday show.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
It really is. The shows at Hysteria Comedy Club. The
tickets for that are also on our link tree. And
then I'm doing a few other stand up shows in
Paris and Berlin and maybe Copenhagen. I'm still trying to
figure that out. Those shows are on my website kaitlinderonte
dot com slash shows, but the real one that I

want you to come to is my birthday show, and
then we'll have a little birthday pint in Dublin afterward
we'll have a nice little celebration.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
And then as for me, I have a new weekly
show starting in May called sixteenth Minute on this very
network on Cool Zone Media on iHeartRadio. It's going to
be a weekly show where each and every week I
revisit and examine an Internet character of the day that
everyone remembers but no one ever thought to get to know.

And so that'll start at the beginning of May and
continue thereafter.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
I'm very excited.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (23:26):

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Happy five hundred bechdelheads. We did it.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Five hundred more, five hundred more.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
We love you, Bye bye bye.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
The Bechdel Cast is a production of iHeartMedia, hosted by
Caitlin Derante and Jamie Loftis, produced by Sophie Lichterman, edited
by Mola Board. Our theme song was composed by Mike
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