Inside Portland, Netflops? 7.21.20

In episode 676, Jack and Miles are joined by Ridiculous History and Stuff They Don't Want You To Know's Ben Bowlin to discuss The Old Guard and Fatal Affair on Netflix, and more! Plus Robert Evans joins to talk about the protests and arrests going on currently in Portland, Oregon.

FOOTNOTES:

1. Behold the falcon sex hat, a species-saving hump helmet
2. PDX Protest Bail Fund
3. 50 Nights of Unrest in Portland
4. What You Need To Know About The Battle of Portland
5. This Makeshift Kitchen Provided Free Food Outside Portland’s Justice Center. Now, Police Have Locked Them Out.
6. Why You Can’t Trust Netflix’s New 10 Most-Watched Movies List
7. The Old Guard is one of Netflix's most popular movies 
8. ‘The Old Guard’ Unseated By A Truly Surprising Movie On Netflix’s Top 10 List
9. An Unexpected Netflix Movie Has Quietly Been Dominating Despite Terrible Reviews
10. WATCH: Benny Sings - Passionfruit

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello the Internet, and welcome to season one, forty three,
Episode two of DIR Days. Like Guys, the production of
My Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we take
a deep dive into America's share consciousness and say, officially,
off the top, fuck the Cooke Brothers, Fuck Fox News,
fuck Rush Limbah, fuck Bux Sexton. He uh rowling rolland

(00:26):
rolling rowling, what bowling? Bowling? Bowling? And on today's guest,
a little sneak peek. That's what we call it tease
in the biz, little and bowl in action Tuesdays. That's
a good a k uh. It's Tuesday, July twenty. My

(00:51):
name is Jack O'Brien a k a baha bah bah
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files are out and shining. Bro not to turn my

(01:12):
mic on up plate, I'm not recording ship ah. That
is courtesy of Christie. I'm a Gucci man and I'm
thrilled to be joined as always by my co host,
Mr Miles what it is? Cove, what's U? What's can
the player get? Test? Risults your brain like it ain't
even hurt. Don't cry, Just get some dessert. Just get

(01:36):
your number and they'll call. And make sure to steer
clear of the mill. Stay at home, just play with
your dolls going crazy, stare and there at four whiles. Okay,
shout out to Trillville, shut out to uh at Anna
Claire Hodge. I believe that's this above all, to thine
own self, trill I believe it is your I g
handle if I recall correctly, and then if I go

(01:59):
even further back. We were at podcast movement. UH. The
homeboy who was like selling like microphone accessories, was like,
hey a friend ando sit game? Can I get a
video U? And it all comes together, so shout out
to you, shout out and miles. We are filled to
be joined once again by the Man, the Myth, a
legend in the game, the host of Ridiculous History, uh many,

(02:24):
a podcast on our network. He is Mr Ben Smoking
Bowling O. Yes, bol Ban Bolins. What's up? Man? Oh man?
You you know? Uh? Third time around? Feels good to
be back. Uh as a site for sore eyes, I

(02:45):
feel like, hey, thank you. I feel like a lot
of us can agree. Peek behind the scenes. Uh, we
might not always be a period on each other's shows,
but as Myles and Jack point out before we rolled today,
we pretty much see each other there every Tuesday. Yeah,
duly Thursday, that's right time dilation. Ben is the face

(03:09):
of the executive producers meeting in the podcast division. Uh,
he's always like for some reason. Uh, he's just pinned
to the top left. He has that realistic steaked out
real estate out and uh yeah, it's great to we.
We we get to just kind of see see his

(03:31):
spit takes every time there's a new announcement. It's great.
I said, I'm sorry, Jack, all right, it was in
my contract. It seemed like a good idea at the time.
I fu up. Okay, I know, I know at one
time when they announced a new show and you fell
backwards out of your seat, those amazing physical comedy Ben.

(03:52):
We're going to get to know you a little bit
better in a moment, but first we like to tell
our listeners a couple of the things we're taught talking about. First,
we're gonna be talking to Robert Evans in Act two,
of the show about you know, what he's witnessed on
the streets of Portland these past You know, he's been
out there most nights of the uh fifty six consecutive

(04:16):
nights of uprising on the streets of Portland where the
president has just sent federal troops to kind of enforce
his will and uh yeah, basically sort of using Portland
as a test kitchen for a civil war. Um. So
we're gonna talk about Robert who has been witnessing that firsthand.

(04:40):
We're gonna talk about the Netflix shows that we promised
we would watch and review for you guys. Uh, they
I watched Old Guard, The Old Guard with Charlie's there
on uh and uh when that was I picked that
when that was number one on Netflix. And then Miles, Uh,

(05:02):
you picked The Fatal Affair. Oh my god, yeah, baby,
which has been borrow one ever since you picked it,
So I have to assume that it's number one. That's
the zeit guys. Bump, Yeah, weekend, see what happens. You
know what I mean? You just mentioned that two stars
who were massive in the nineties are on a Netflix thing,
and then it does the work for it itself. Um.

(05:26):
But yeah, so fatal It's not fatal attraction. That's a
different movie, right, it's a fatal affair, I think, um,
but that's uh so we'll talk about that, and also
just generally the overall Netflix stats. I just want to
point out Miles stormed out when you said fatal attraction. Yeah,

(05:50):
that it wasn't fatal because I thought it was fatal
attraction and watched that, and then when I said it
was fatal affair, he stormed off to watch it. He
has watched it on super fast motion. Now he's took
him five seconds, but he's uh, he's matrix braining that ship.

(06:11):
Just direct upload um. All of that plenty more. But first, Ben,
we like to ask our guests, what is something from
your search history that is revealing about who you are? Oh? Man, uh,
I'm gonna be honest. I thought about whether I should
give you guys some smoking mirrors, uh and something amusing

(06:32):
these in our troubled times. But really this is a
sad story. I got, uh, I got really into the
idea of falconry, and I was like, that's a real thing,
you know. Me and me and my uh me and
one of my close friends were like, let's dream about
what we'll do if there's a world without a lockdown
and you know, a world to come back to. And

(06:54):
we were like, fucking falcons, bro, we're gonna be falcon
people now. Uh so my search history is pretty deep
in uh falconry. It's a thing you can do. Uh.
Turns out it's a little bit complicated. Yeah, a little
bit more more complicated than we thought it would be.
When we more than having a falcon on a glove
right right, you can't even use a glove at home.

(07:16):
You gotta get it like a special glove. We took
a pitch back at Cracked from a falcon or h
somebody who's who falcons for a living, uh, and they
were talking about it's actually really fascinating, like they use
it for hunting. They use the falcon like so anytime
somebody makes the argument that like second uh second Amendment,

(07:38):
like I need to have my gun for hunting, Uh,
you could be using a falcon, sir, which is way cooler,
way more badass. Just breed a bunch of full falcons
or if you like, I don't know what the term is,
like a fleet of owls because you know, like that
one murder mystery or like they thought maybe the owl
got the woman at the base of her skull and

(07:59):
ship you have these like al assassin's and ship, yeah, staircase, yeah, exactly,
be a real who done it? Here's why I'm not
going to be a falconer. And sorry, Ben, I have
to have to retire after that. After that Who Done It?
For Miles show has peaked um. But yeah, the stats

(08:24):
I don't have them in front of me, but the
stats on uh, you know, the number of school mass
falcon ngs are are much lower than a gun violence.
So those are just facts, Jack, And that's why I
love about this show. That's right. I saw a guy
like a falconer. I know, I think l a f
C the MLS team, Like there's like a falcon or
a hawk or someone who's like part of the team.

(08:45):
And I saw the guy who's the handler like walking
through like the concourse and like this like bar and
the like while he's talking the falcons like the wildest
ship like on the table next to him. And it
was funny because the falconer didn't even flinch and the
woman he was speaking to is like neck almost broke
when she's like, oh, I think and he was just

(09:07):
bulldozing through it. I was like, okay, the falcon's edge. Yeah,
I gotta tell you, guys, I gotta confess just real quick.
Here's why I'm never going to be a falconer. I
got in over my head. I gotten too deep. I
didn't order anything yet. I'm not responsible for raising a falcon,
thank god. Uh. It turns out that there's a a

(09:28):
way that people falconers had to save some falcon species,
and they basically they invented a very specific type of
hat and they would have the falcon bang the hat
while someone was wearing it to help the species reproduce.
And I was like, this is not this is not

(09:49):
what I signed up for. I'm just having sex with
the hat, like sex like the hat. Okay, yeah, let me.
I don't wait that like weird, like the hood that
keeps them like blind until it's time to attack. No,
it's a hat that the falconer is wearing. It's like

(10:11):
the falconer helmet, the equivalent of a football helmet for
falconers is a hat that the falcon fox. Yeahine falconer
some real headbanding stuff. Wow literally wow? Okay, So yeah,
well I guess you know, to each their own. Um,

(10:33):
that's I wish I didn't know that, but well i'm
now that we're there, I mean, what do you do? Like,
you can just leave it in the hawk knows what
time it is already. You're like, is that the hat? Okay?
Thank you? Come back in five seconds, Like, I don't.
How does it work like it? I think? Is that right? Yeah?
We have to wear the hat and it fucks the
hat head on your head. You could. You can see

(10:56):
videos and the people wearing the hat like make falcon
noises like the equivalent of falcon dirty talk, you know,
and oh yeah, I got missions literal uh skull fucking
oh wow. Okay, yeah. So I'm just saying I I
am not going to judge them. Far be it for
me to someone's yum all respective falconers. It's just anybody skill.

(11:21):
Anybody who says yum, well that is happening needs to
be put in prison, just getting there getting their hat
fucked by a falcon and they utter the words yum.
Well you're being too simplistic. I'm saying, um because I
know that hawk is going to catch so many yummy
mice later. Okay, cool? Cool? Also um Oh, it seems

(11:45):
like debasing, you know what I mean, Like at that
point are you are you actually in control of the falcon?
But on what I mean, the videos and the falcons
are all very pretty ricky about it, like they're really
just like putting in like very smooth. Uh. They put
on a little R and B and just like give
give some dramatic Uh. Now, I'm just joking. I'm not

(12:08):
watching the video. I never will. I don't know too.
It looks like the hat and then this one looks
like a croc. They turned into a bucket hat. It's
like I think a training hat or something. Anyway, this
will be a whole other episode. Will do no I mean, sorry, guys, Sorry,
That's why I got out of it. You can't do
a search history that deserves to be its own, like

(12:32):
part of part series. What is? What is something you
think is underrated? Okay? Honestly, I think the damaging, your
delatorious effects, the callousness of people on social media. And
I never thought I would be a hardcore advocating for
something like this. I'm not a mental health expert or something.

(12:54):
I know probably talked about it on Daily Seitgeist. But
the Kanye West presidential bid. For example, Like the guy's
actually filing paperwork. You can see it. He's filed for
Oklahoma and stuff, and people are you know, I think
we easily forget that's uh, even's celebrities or whatever, real people.

(13:14):
I think it's like, we have to remember we don't
know these people, and it's it's very close to shooting
on someone with mental illness. I get it, roast people.
I'm all a roast everybody at some point, but I
think that we're not giving due deference to the fact
that these are real people at the other end of

(13:35):
the hands. So that's me making up for the falcon
fucking hat. Yeah, I mean, well, now that's we have
to I mean it's clear he is uh in a
state of distress like he that that clip of him
in South Carolina whatever that rally or stumps whatever you
want to call that was really um unsettling, like it was.

(13:56):
It was kind of upsetting to see because he was
sort of all over the place and you could tell
based on the way he was talking, was almost as
if everyone was telling him to not go and he
was like, no, I know what's best for me. Don't
tell me what to do. Because he's like, if Kim
divorces me for doing this, I don't care. And it's
like that almost sounds like she may have said, please
don't do this, or you're putting our marriage at risk,

(14:17):
and he still went out and did it. And that's
the other sort of toxic scited. The equation is like
on one hand, people look at and they're like, wow,
it's the TV because I've been you know, sort of
inoculated with this idea, this message that like to be
a celebrity means like the perfect existence where everything is
manicured and like you know, stresses of the world don't
reach you. But then we lose our ability to just

(14:38):
look at him and say this man is in he's
like in pain. And it could also be that there
are many people around him who are not really taking
that seriously and just want to keep this thing going,
like of being around him and saying like enabling him,
and there's a lot of talk to that he's seriously
like there, he's going to seriously put a lot of
his businesses in jeopardy too with this um the whole

(15:02):
campaign and everything with it. Oh yeah, what is something
you think is overrated? Ben going to the office ever again.
Hell yeah, I don't ever wanna you know what I mean,
I snuck into Uh, I snuck into the Atlanta office,
and I'll be honest, I snuck in there just because
I knew there were still some snacks in the break room.

(15:24):
The Atlanta office break room is nothing on the l
a break room that's just no. But but I don't know.
You guys have that really nice refrigerator. I remember going
in there and like, the snacks always tastes better in
somebody else's office, that is. Yeah, you get immediately tired
of it the second time. The snacks are always tastier
on the other side. Yeah, yeah, that's why. That's why

(15:45):
Jack's recording with the refrigerator in arms reach. I think
sacks calories a minute doing this podcast. So I got
a fuel baby. Yeah. Man, you're gonna waste a weight
like that. That's that's the thing. Uh. You know, I
think a lot of people, first off, you're very very
fortunate if you're able to uh, if you're able to

(16:06):
work from home, and increasingly if you're able to work
at all. But I think we're we're looking around the world,
even in places that were responsible with handling the pandemic.
We're seeing a bunch of people go, hey, I I
kind of like not having to spend two and a
half hours a day driving somewhere to have, you know,

(16:26):
a meeting with some fucking Paul or whatever. Apology to
all the palls in the audience is Paul? The mail
equivalent of Karen is that, I don't know. That's a
lot of a lot of people are trying to figure
it out. It's hard. It's hard to do. I saw
on Reddit some people are trying to get Joel started.
I was like, Joel, Joel, Yeah, because Karen has to
be like a name that almost is like ubiquitous with

(16:49):
some like Karen works because you feel like you know
a bunch of moms named Karen, Like which Karen? And
it's like that, what's the dad equivalent? I have to
ask them for you guys, because I was thinking about
this and I was like, you know, I got my
third shot coming on t d Z. They're gonna kill
me if I talk about case DAZ again, even though
they're awesome. I was like, I want to hear from

(17:10):
you guys when a vaccine comes out in those in
those dreamt of days, when people are going out into
the world, are going into work on a regular basis.
Do you I mean, where do you guys fall on that.
Do you see a bunch of people going to the
office or do you think it's a permanent change. I
don't know. It's a mixture. And honestly, I feel like

(17:31):
with comedy shows, I miss being in a room with somebody.
There is something like when you perform, like this show
is like Jack and I've been doing it for so long.
I don't feel the distance because I'm hearing him the
same way, like sensory, like my sensory type way. It's
the experience is the same. On other things that are
like very very like performative comedy stuff I've been on,

(17:53):
I'm like, like, the timing is just a little off
because you're not there. You can't feel the person's energy,
you can't feeling someone's about to talk. So in those
I do, but in the broader perspective I do. It
does have me rethinking the idea of what it means
to commute and what is the nature of being able
to work from home and the additive qualities because I've
definitely been able to be better with my time working

(18:15):
from home, so it's I don't know, Jack. Yeah, I
haven't even really like started to think about it because
it's so far off. I just think I think a
podcast studio is like the worst possible place to actually
be in because we're talking. We're speaking into mics that

(18:36):
presumably other people have used, although we might change change
that to being a policy. I don't know. It's it's complicated,
but I'm you know, I I do like being in
the same room with people. I do. I do believe
in like ideas germinating and stuff. But I'm definitely I've
always been open to people fully working from home, like
on our team, and I will continue to be that way,

(18:59):
and I'm sure people will take us up on it
more more often going forward, for sure. But if there's
a vaccine, though, then I'll feel but I don't know,
because then it's the sequel comes out, because like this
is the healthscape we're in. Like I could feel like
we'd only get like five months of like man alright,
COVID is managed like there's concerts, there's sports, and then

(19:21):
the next things happening, whether that's what the climate or
who knows, But I don't know, Like as a human.
I just feel very unsettled in general, like with everything. Um.
And finally, Ben, what is a myth with something people
think it's true you know to be false? Okay, this
is going to be relevant to our conversation today, So

(19:43):
the U There are documented cases of federal agents abducting
people in Portland, Oregon, right, and we know that. The
White House says that, oh, you know, not only are
we down with this horrific practice, but we want to
essentially franchising, We want to expect ended to other cities.
One of the myths is that that is a thing

(20:05):
happening in the future. Uh. The San Diego Tribune Tribune
has documented a similar practice in San Diego in on
June six, UH, the city Council President Georgette Gomez called
for an investigation into this. Undercover sdp D officers arrested
some folks, threw them in on mark vans, and then

(20:27):
drove off. So it's the future is now in the
worst possible way. I know it's not a one to
one comparison. Uh. And I know there are a lot
more funny myths out there, Like Einstein was actually good
at math, that's true, He's he shot the bed on
an entrance exam, but then the rest of it he

(20:47):
he performed the way that you would imagine. Yeah, yeah,
he got that part right. So so anyway, I just
I know, it's a lot to keep track of because
we have so many things going on and as you said,
Myles is hell escape. But um yeah this something like
this is already happening in other cities coming to a
town near you. That's why we've been saying, like at

(21:09):
what you know, it's clear that the government and a
lot of legislators aren't like they actually don't act like
the Constitution is like a binding agreement like in this country,
because like it's like, oh, you're not a first fourth
six but I don't know, don't worry about any these
amendments or that you're not protected. World will snatch you
up in a van and we'll actually take you somewhere

(21:30):
and then not even give you a record of your detainment. Uh.
That's truly like there is no there is no document
that has any kind of significance or that's that anyone
is giving any kind of reverence to at this point
because the lot like that behaviors of the federal government
don't reflect that in any way. And I think, you know,
again to your point to we can argue that there's

(21:51):
this has been happening for decades really, but now we're
like looking at it, we're like, oh, we're at that
stage where someone who has a uniform on won't even
say who they are, and it's like I'm gonna grab
you by your shoulder and you're just you come with
me now. Uh. That's it's like sort of that unabashed now.
And I think that's what's frightening because at what point

(22:14):
are there going to be people who are armed, like citizens,
who have people approaching them who are not identifying themselves
and what happens then? And that's I think the kind
of escalation that you know, the government sort of is
looking for or in some reason because they need to
justify this really really outlandish over use of force because

(22:35):
it's not it's clearly not having the effect. That the
president did was like I'm gonna clean up Eland, just
wait and see, and everyone like, dude, please get the
funk out. Also, this is so freaky. This is like
you're already doing, you know, like American fascism. So that's
not a bad Trump voice though, I gotta give it
to you. That wasn't um. All right, guys, let's take
a quick break and when we come back, we're gonna

(22:57):
talk to Robert Evans, rub Evans from Portland. And we're
back and we're thrilled to be joined in our fourth
seat right now by the host of a show called

(23:20):
Behind the Bastards. Uh, the host of a show called
It Can Happen Here. Maybe it should have been called
it is Happening here if you're listening to it right now. Uh.
He's the host of an ongoing show called Worst Year
Ever Again. Like it's getting weird. How many things you
were right about? You just get a podcast that says,

(23:40):
WHOA Miles grew back all his hair? How that? Yeah?
I I have green lit the Miles Grew Back his
Hair podcast. Uh, and also won the lottery, So now yeah, yeah,
And I just want to be big if you could,
if I could become big, like yeah, like they're like
the Big starring exactly exactly. You know, you know Tom Hanks,

(24:06):
I just wish I was Tom Hanks. That would have
been better if the kid I wish he was Tom Hanks. Uh.
I want Robert, can you add can you add a
part where it's like Ben Bollan showers regularly and it's
going to take you with you. My abilities have limitations. Oh,

(24:27):
I was just thinking with big right, Josh Baskin Carol Baskin,
thing about that let's keep moving. I mean there's that
scene where he creepily goes back to his elementary school
or middle school and just like watches the girl who
he got big to date, but he's like a thirty
five year old man and she's still like thirteen. He

(24:51):
just looks at her walking down the street and it's like, uh,
you know, simpler, simpler times, but for that machine to
turn my life upside out. Yeah. Anyways, his name is
Robert Evans. He has also been on the front lines
in Portland as all hell has broken loose and Trump
has started using that city as his fascism testing ground. Yeah.

(25:17):
That part's actually been great, um lately. Yeah, it's like
you're the test kitchen for whatever white supremacist fascism the
Trump administration wants to try out. Yeah you there, Yeah,
like yeah, they tried that there and it's not working great.
So like Robert, you know things, I think people have

(25:41):
known that for the last you know, over fifty five
days or so. Uh, it hasn't stopped in Portland. Although
the media is typically only focused on times it's violent,
there has been not much coverage of many of the
peaceful protests that have continued in this country because you know,
it's not gonna get eyeballs. But with Portland's I think
many people were know anyone who follows you can tell

(26:02):
that the situation was not improving. And then around the
fourteenth of July as when we started seeing these reports
of just federal goons hopping out of unmarked you know,
car unmarked vans and disappearing people. So what, um, I
guess to put it professionally, what the fuck is going on? Man?
I mean, yeah, there's been an uprising against the police.

(26:22):
So the national focus has been on the Feds because
the Feds, number one, are pretty visually spectacular. They have
a funkload immunitions and they just toss them out like
goddamn candy, um And they dress exactly like soldiers and
they do violence in the way that soldiers do and
it's pretty spectacular to watch. Um. So that has captured people,

(26:42):
and that and like the snatch vans, have captured attention
but like the vast majority of the violence done during
this uprising has been by the Portland Police Bureau, and
that's still what most people in Portland are most pissed about,
and that's why this has gone on so long. Like
before the President started making Portland the centerpiece of his
reelection campaign, the size of the demonstrations had dwindled to

(27:04):
like a good night would be three hundred people, but
they were three hundred like hardened activists who were at all,
who had all completely lost their fear of police, and
we're like willing to give up their lives standing up
against them in a riot line and like fucking getting
shot at for hours, and we're just doing that every
single night. Like it was fucking relentless, and it was

(27:27):
like the press corps a lot of us up until
these last the last three or four days have been
great because now there's all this attention and the big
crowds have come back, and like the police are on
the back foot, but like we were all starting to
fucking break down, just as kind of the movement itself was,
because it seemed like this whole thing was dying. Yeah,
I noticed you were interviewed by this small time out
of town newspaper, the New York Times. Yeah, so they're

(27:52):
they're they're pretty interested in, uh in the whole thing.
You've been there for, like you said in that interview,
like probably thirties something of something man, Yeah, yeah, most
of them. I was there on the very first night.
I've I've I've seen most of it. What what sort
of this interplay between the narrative that the right is
using to say, Okay, because it seems like if you're

(28:14):
if you're tuning into Fox, their line is, look at
these left wing Democrat mayors and governors let their towns
get ripped up by anarchists. How do you think all
of this, all of these visual elements, the you know,
sort of escalation with federal officers coming in, how that
all plays into this sort of narrative that the White
House wants. Well, you know, here's the thing I do

(28:35):
want to push back against. Now. You know, the big
demonstration last night was fueled a lot by Donald Trump.
But um, as a rule, the reason that's got this
far is not because people hated Donald Trump. It's not
because people hated the Feds. It is because people in
Portland recognize that their police bureau is particularly violent and problematic.
Fifty eight percent of use of force cases by the

(28:57):
Portland Police is against the mentally handicapped. Right. They had
very recently an officer named Krueger in two thousand ten
he was caught basically like, he was caught building and
maintaining shrines to dead Nazis, um, And he got in
trouble for it, and the police union sued and got
him an apology and he retired eventually with a full pension.
A guy named Krueger. Yeah, shocking the Portland Police union.

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When a Kwanis Hayes was killed by the Portland Police
bureau like blamed his mom for his death. Um, and
obviously like argued to let that Nazi cop get you know,
an apology. Um. The so the previous two chiefs ago,
Daniel Outlaw, who's now the Philly police chief went in
two thousand and eighteen, Portland police shot a man in
the back of the head with a grenade and nearly

(29:44):
killed him. Um. She went on a far right podcast
and laughed about how this was an example of like
Antifa getting the fight that they wanted. And on another instant,
so like, you know, she left and then we had
chief Rush for a while about six months, and she
left after all this started because of how badly the
initial police response to the demonstrations is. We got a
new guy, Chief Lavell, who's a black man and who

(30:04):
like when they made him the new police chief, everybody
was talking about how good it is that now this
you know, we've got this black man who's really tied
into the black community and he's going to be a
good police chief. Immediately, a local journalist finds a story
from when he was a school resource officer a few
years earlier and a girl talked back to him and
he choked her and he got suited for choking a

(30:24):
fourteen year old. So it's like, yeah, Portland Police good bureau.
So again, like the Portland police have earned a huge
amount of hatred by repeatedly assaulting people and showing like
a dis day. I've watched them drag people on their
backs over asphalt into clouds of tear gas like they
don't give a fuck they are they are a bad

(30:45):
police bureau. Um, can you talk about riot ribs? Uh?
Oh fuck yeah, I can talk about right that story
because I feel like that's the kind of side of
the protests and uh, community action that isn't getting covered.
This old man Lorenzo showed up on July four and
started cooking a shipload of ribs for people. Um and

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like one of my friends, Donovan Farley, who's a local
journal or who's a journalist here, doesn't running for Rolling
Stone a vice and stuff. Like when the police came out,
So the July four everybody laid siege to the federal
courthouse with illegal fireworks. So like people were just firing
thousands and thousands of dollars worth of like commercial grade
fireworks into the side of a courthouse while federal agents

(31:30):
inside shot out at them and dumped tear gas like
it was fucking burning pitch down the sides of the castle.
It was quite a night. Um. And so eventually all
these Feds and cops like charge out and start trying
to clear the parks and stuff, and like the crowd
fought with them for hours. But like Donovan and a
couple of other people who were just like clustered around

(31:50):
this guy Lorenzo like protected him with their bodies and
we're like, you're not gonna funk up the ribs, And
the cops basically looked at like this old black man
cooking ribs, and we're probably not gonna be great for
us if we just beat the ship out of the
guy tonight. Like probably we should probably focus on beating
the ship out of these teenagers. It's not like he's
a fourteen year old child. Yeah, he's not like he's
a fourteen year old child. Um. And yeah, Lorenzo the

(32:12):
whole time was just being like, I got enough pork
on here, piggies, I don't need you out here too,
And it's like it's very funny. Um. So Lorenzo becomes
something of like a fucking monument to the community, and
Riot Ribs get started, and Lorenzo, actually he's an older guy.
He hasn't been out as often. But like Riot Ribbs
has become its own like self reinforcing organization. So there's

(32:33):
a bunch of different cooks. There's a mix of like
folks who are just like motivated to the cause, a
lot of houseless people. Um. And so it's become both
like a twenty four hour basically kitchen where you can
eat your fill um. But also they have like clothing
donations set up. They have like you know, food and
water that's outside of the Ribs. Um they have like
they do like resume writing and like you know, trying

(32:53):
to help people get like showers and clothing to like
get work and stuff. Um. So it's become like this
community mutual aid organization too, and the police fucking hate it.
They arrest the riot Ribs guys most nights. Um they've
done ship like slash their tires, steal their food and
throw it away a bunch of times. And we have
another there's a guy who has a van that's become

(33:15):
called the BLM Snack Fan And it's just like a
van covered in graffiti full of snacks that will drive
around with the protesters while they're fighting the cops. And
on July four, he wasn't breaking the law, but the
cops just slashed his tires while he was driving. It
was this like it was this wild thing. I'm just like,
are you guys just cutting is You're not even trying
to arrest him, You just fucking cut his tires? Like

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what the hell is going on? They hate people with snacks. Robert,
you reported on the Ukraine kind of civil war, the
uprising in the streets of kiv Uh. What can you
talk about? Just like how this well, first of all,
just explained like what happened there briefly, and then talk

(33:58):
about like what you're seeing now in the United States. Um,
you know, in Portland it has when this all started,
there was this because everybody was very um enthusiastic when
they started in Portland, but there was not a lot
of like deep knowledge about how to There's a lot
of knowledge about like how to coordinator march had to
block off streets, how to like keep a crowd of
people kind of safe in the streets as they prepare

(34:20):
to confront the police. Folks weren't very good at confronting
the police initially. That took a lot of time. Like
I've been watching even we've been watching this fucking crowd
get better at it and like going from like getting
tear gas once and everybody scatters through the streets to
like holding up and fighting in groups of multiple hundreds,
sometimes over a thousand for hours, um, which is where

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we are now at this point. It is a like
it is a hardened crowd of street fighters. And yeah,
there's definitely you know what you haven't seen the situation
they had in the Idon, which is where people actually
occupied semi permanently you know, a massive chunk of this
of the central city and refused to leave, and we're

(35:03):
willing to like die and deploy physical, hardcore physical violence
against the police. We still have not seen that. We
have seen protesters throw stuff and shoot fireworks at police
and federal agents. We have not yet seen in an order.
We've and we've seen a few dear rests. You know,
there have been some like you know, fights with sticks
and stuff, but very little of that comparatively, like, there

(35:25):
has not been yet the kind of thing that will
happen at some point of this continues where a police
or federal riot lion charges with beat sticks and they're
met by a crowd who starts swinging sticks back at
them and trying to like knock them down and tack like.
That has not we haven't had that moment yet. And
to be clear, the part that has happened is the
cops just tackling the ship out of people and being

(35:49):
hit with sticks, yeah, all the time leading them in
the face. Yeah, Yeah, it's bad. There was what, uh
seemed to be a like an actual human giant who
was being confronted by a bunch of cops and just
got that they were hitting him, and it's a fifty
three year old local activist and navy veteran. He was

(36:12):
actually a Naval Academy veteran who like stood up while
these federal agents beat him with sticks and just like
didn't move and didn't move what they mazed him, and
like they actually fucked him up really bad. His arms
broken in a few places. He's getting pins put in
his hand, like they messed him up bad. He just
didn't want to be seen flinching from them, Um, because
he's a tough son of a bit. Yeah, it's all over.

(36:38):
You meet these people like that who just have been
doing this, who are just like like one of our
local reporters who has done like some of the most
you know, standing in the streets and being horribly tear
gassed and shot at. Is this young woman, Lindsay, who
is a fucking kindergarten teacher who just started coming out
like seeing all police brutalent. He was like, well, I
guess I should come out and film this every night

(36:59):
in between like teaching small children. Um, yeah, it's it's
pretty amazing, like what's been happening in the streets of
Portland's Okay, So I think with any of these protests
that we've seen that are going up against police violence
and like just the systemic oppression that is being aided
by the federal government as well. What is sort of
the end goal for the protesters in Portland to begin

(37:20):
seeing some kind of shift like that begins to feel
substantive to the point where it's not just gestures or
empty you know, nonsense. So what's been achieved already is
that about twenty four million dollars have been cut out
of the Portland Police Bureau budget UM and the a
couple of programs have been into. The Gang Task Force,
which is probably the most violent chunk of the Portland
Police has been shut down. The school resource officers are

(37:43):
being removed from Portland's schools UM. So there have been
some changes like that that have been made. Um I
would say most of the crowd, that is, the regular crowd,
are complete abolitionists, right, even the ones who weren't at
the start of this. They don't want there to be
a Portland Police Bureau. They want to they want to
get rid of them and do something else, and they
want the Feds out. Everybody wants the Feds out. Um

(38:03):
I would say of the folks who are kind of
have been coming out less and have been coming more
since like the Trump stuff started. There's a lot of
kind of reform the police, but kind of broad understanding,
like you know, the cuts need to be more like
fifty million dollars. Uh, it needs to be possible to
sue police officers directly, like some of these people need
to go to fucking jail. There need to be investigations
in the use of force, and there's a growing consensus

(38:24):
that like all charges against protesters need to be dropped. Um. Yeah,
I would say, like those are the kind of things
everyone agrees on, and like then there's kind of some
sticking points between the people who want to reform the
police and the people who are like, we don't want
to have police anymore. Again, everyone who's been out here
for most of the fifty days, they're all kind of
on the let's not have any fucking cops in the

(38:45):
city anymore, let's replace them with something, Let's figure something
else out, because this like fuck these people, Um is
the attitude I would say I see the most. And
also like I don't know, I would prefer they not
exist anymore. I've seen them shoot enough people who in
the body and beat enough people in the face that like, yeah,
we don't need those I don't I don't think those

(39:06):
are necessary in my community, Like I don't like them here.
So Robert, I think one thing is probably on a
lot of the on the mind of a lot of
people listening to this episode is going to be uh
you know, they're they're saying, I'm not in Portland, I
support this. I want to in some way help or assist,

(39:27):
you know, even if I live in pot Keepsie or
in I don't know, Jakarta or something. Just pulling names
out of a hat. What could people do people based
outside of Portland's to somehow support others during this uprising.
You know there's the yeah, the PDX Protest Bail Fund is,
you know, putting in money to help people get out

(39:47):
of jail. Um. You know, there's a couple of different
um organizations that are attempting to like help folks who
have been you know, um uh uh affected. You know,
like like who have charges against them, who are coming
out of jail and stuff. Everybody's gonna have PTSD, I'm sure,
like or a lot of people are going to be

(40:09):
suffering from PTSD. After this PTSD, Like, yeah, everybody, like
everybody who's really been out here has PTSD, and like
it's pretty well known. And again, part of what's part
of what's bringing people out every night is kind of
this understanding that like, oh my god, if we stop,
when this finally ends, is when we're all gonna fucking

(40:31):
have this ship hit us like a mountain because that's
how PTSD works. Um, and that's not gonna be easy. UM,
So people are kind of dreading that. I think you
can also end my money to Portland's riot ribs. Right, yes,
you can absolutely been the money to Portland Riot ribs.

(40:52):
They rule. Um. And then just so like we kind
of talked about what you guys goals are on the
on the side of the people. UM. From Trump's perspective,
you know, it seems like you know, he it. Yesterday
afternoon it was announced that he was defying the mayor's

(41:14):
order to get the feds out and actually just ordered
a hundred and seventy five federal troops in Chicago. Um.
Like it, it seems to me like he's trying to
start a civil war before he gets voted out of office.
And like, I don't like just they knowing what we

(41:35):
know of his like the way he thinks, like there's
literally no reason he wouldn't try to do that because
he wants death, he wants carnage, and he wants power,
and those are all things that he could accumulate if
if this escalates. Like how how are you thinking about that?

(41:57):
As somebody who has some expert teas and kind of
writing about and reporting from civil wars around around the world,
I'm certainly concerned about, you know, the the potential for
fatal violence, right, that was the thing when people first
started really fucking with the Feds, before there were big
crowds again, it was like, based on the wording of

(42:19):
the executive order he put out to protect the statues,
they could just be shooting people every time people get fucking,
you know, into a statue or a federal park to
mess with it. Like they have that right according to
the and the eos are probably illegal, but like you know,
up to that point, like they don't have to, you know,
they they they're they get to do kind of what
they want to. So they have made a choice essentially

(42:40):
not to start shooting at people, right, not to fire
live rounds yet, but they're out there with them fours
every night, Like they have the weapons and they bring
them out when they are shooting at protesters with the
non lethals, and the way that they use the non
lethals is the way they would be using live rounds, right,
because they're not trained in how to use non lethals
the way police do, which is why they hurt people
so much. Um So, it is this kind of dicey

(43:05):
situation where, you know, the City of Portland has continued
to call the president's bluff in and I think everyone
is hoping that like if if this key like, he
won't have the fucking guts to start shooting people because
of how badly this has gone for him so far.
And it is at this point, like there's this kind
of level of I think understanding in Portland that like

(43:29):
if if, like the the only way for us to
be safe is to keep this up, right, Yeah, I
really worry about Yeah, any any assumption that is on
the side of like, you know, him not doing the
most desperate and violent thing, yea. Um So stay safe
out there. I know and said that to you a

(43:49):
number of times, but seriously, seriously, yeah, you know, it's
the thing that it is. Yeah, it's in this Yeah. Yeah,
thanks for coming on, man, I appreciate it, and I
know yeah uh yeah, hopefully you have some resources lined
up for once once this all settles down, because I know,

(44:13):
just experiencing and witnessing and then reliving it for assholes
like us can't be can't be good for you. So
I hope you're you know, taking care of yourself. Yeah,
we're all doing our best here. You know, we've got
a pretty good crew um who goes out, so that
helps you know you're not alone. Yeah. Yeah, I did

(44:37):
want to say I'm a little disappointed that the woman
is getting all the press for yeah. Yeah, and you
were three ft tour right am, I right, and doing
the exact same thing, but nobody took that picture and
put it on the Yeah, you know, all of the
all of my nudity has been edited out of the
national story. And you know, everyone who's tired of knows

(44:58):
that my nudity has been a major part of this movement.
I'm surprised that wasn't on any of the dhs like
Justification Scrolls or like Robert Evans violent nudity. Yeah, they're scared,
they're scared of the rampantness of my nudity, the magnetic South.
All right, man, take care, stay safe, great talking, Thank

(45:20):
you later. A guys, we're gonna take a quick break
and we'll be back to talk Netflix. And we're back
and Miles and I uh watched the top two Netflix

(45:43):
movies of the past week. Uh, and as our writer
Jam McNab pointed out, they do kind of represent this duality. Um.
We talked at the end of last week about how
Netflix put out their list of the top ten movies, uh,
top ten original Netflix original movies so far like in

(46:03):
their history, and it was all these like kind of
slick action movies like Extraction with Chris Hemsworth and uh,
Spencer Confidential, uh, which I think it is post Malone
and it's about a crime solving dog. I think, Uh
that's what J. M. Rhode kind of agreed that name

(46:24):
is terrible, but it's Mark Walbert. So it's like these
kind of things that seem like, oh, that's a type
of movie that used to come out in the theaters
like three years ago, and now it's just moved on
to Netflix. And so they actually recently came out with
a press release saying the old Guard, which also fits
into that category. Charlie's there on Big Star and it's

(46:45):
a big, slick action movie with like, uh successful director.
They were like, that's been stream seventy two million times.
That's on pace to be one of our biggest movies,
if not our biggest movie. Um. But they did not
mention the movie be that supplanted it Fatal Affair, and
I think that you know, they're they're not talking about

(47:06):
the fact that three and sixty five Days has been
their most popular movie because it's just you know, cheap, tawdry,
uh TV, it's a skinnamax. Man, Yeah, it's Skinner's Three
sixty five Days was skinn imax, and Fatal Affair I've
heard described as like a more of a lifetime movie. Yeah,

(47:26):
so why don't we start off with Fatal Affair? Miles?
What what I mean? Look, I go into it. Nia
Long Love Her oh Man, Higher Learning one of my
favorite films. Uh, Like, I was like, this is great
it for me, it fits everything. I'm like two stars
that I've have, you know, have loved over the years. Uh,
they're back, they're a little older, you know, what the hell,

(47:48):
we're all a little bit older. So let's let's let's
just sit down and watch this like grimy, musty film,
and it's essentially like about like you know, it's like
one of those like love on requited things turns into
stalker sort of situations, and it's I was I watched
the trailer before we were talking about watching it, and
when I watched films like oh, it's the trailer is

(48:10):
actually the whole film, Like you don't miss anything if
you watch the trailer. So it's like Nia Long. She's
a high powered attorney with the perfect everything, husband, new
home daughter in college until one day this man comes
back into her life who she went to college with,
and at first it seems like it was a coincidence
that they're working together, and then they go to a
bar and things get a little bit hot and they
almost have sex, and she's like, you know what, I

(48:32):
have the perfect everything, and as much as I like
you and enjoy your company and your passion, and how
much comparatively you may be better than my current husband,
I cannot go through with this. Cut to now Omar
Epps becoming a stalker with hacker skills, and it's like
it plays out like how all these things do where
it's like suddenly, like he shows up as someone as

(48:52):
someone's guests to a dinner party and she's like, it's
like he won't get away, and he's playing golf with
my husband. You know. It's like very very formulaic how
the Stalker then just sort of seeps into the life
and the trailer basically yeah, and then the yeah, this
is all the trailer and then YadA, YadA YadA. Eventually
people's lives are on the line, and then he has

(49:13):
to die because he's the bad guy. Like it's very
you know what it is when you sign up. So
I was fine with that, and you know what, it
is so bad, But that's okay because you know, when
you watch the trailer, it does not look good. If
you're watching it, it's because you got to spare ninety
minutes and you you foc with knee along and omar apps,
like I don't have anything to do, let's check it out.
And plus we're on an airplane now. Everything is an

(49:33):
airplane film, so the bar is very low. I was like, okay.
The thing though, is that the sex scenes do not
compare to three sixty five Days or didn't he sorry
the European title, the Polish title. There is it like
one with nudity, Like does it have no No, it's
a lot of like and I'm not saying you need nudity,
but like it felt like, you know, they're getting a check,

(49:55):
like they don't, you know, just get some close up
to you, like taking off your underwear and like that's enough.
And I was reading a review of it. That's actually
really true how they're pointing out. I think it is
in the route that this director or cinematographer loves insert shots.
So like anytime something happens, there's like an interaction. Maybe
omar EPs is like touching Nia Long's back, like oh,

(50:17):
let's go over here. Insert close up of hand on
small of back. Insert close up hand on hand, Insert
close up hand turning off lamp. Insert close up. There
are so many inserts that you're like, okay, everything has
so much meaning, but it doesn't. And the whole thing
that the thing that actually made this hard somewhat hard
for me to watch it wasn't the bad writing or

(50:38):
cinematography or directing or lighting. It was the fact that
omar Eps's character sort of felt like a person that
exists in real life. Where it's like, yeah, it's like
this dude who's like won't let go, and it starts
like meddling in their life and it's like really intense
and it Normally like these films have a little bit

(50:59):
more of like I don't know, it's like whimsy, but
there's something a little more fantastic about it. This just
felt like a dateline episode, you know, where I'm like, yeah, yeah,
that that tracks. This guy's a hacker, yep, and then
he figured it out and then he manipulated your homegirl
to get Yeah, really you hate to see it. So
it became like less of a film and I was like,
this ship is like, this feels like real life. And

(51:21):
not to say like I think with a lot of
those lifetime films there's always an element of like you'd
walk out and being like could you imagine if that
happened this, I'm like, oh my god, that's probably happening
somewhere right now. That could happen. Like there's nothing too yeah,
there's nothing too far off. I mean, yes, there's some
ridiculous stuff, but as a premise, I'm like, it wasn't

(51:44):
enough to make me like be like, oh, this is
just one of those bad movies. I was like, reality
does not have insert shots, and that is what we
look for in our entertainment, is it would it be
like if I could just like get real close up
for a split second on at hand. And yeah, it
was a hard thing to think of. Like you know,
some some performers age well, like men and women. But

(52:08):
Omar Epps I'm putting in that category of not aging
well like he. I think he had his he had
his time when he was young. I mean he's always
just like kind of he seemed cool. So like as
a fifty something, Like it's like a cool person doesn't
age in two necessarily, Like a cool person, Well you're

(52:28):
you're a dad. Now you're going golfing with it? Well,
like I would say, like a dress, Elba, you know
what I mean, Like he's bringing he brings the silver
fox evolution to like I've I've I've seen it. But Elba,
from the start, you were like this. The thing that's
cool about this dude is he like has that gravity
about him that like you know, he's like I don't know,

(52:49):
like you would get you would hire him to be
the CEO of your company. Whereas Omar Epps just always
seemed cool, yeah, in the A dress level, but also
you know, I don't know about you guys, but as
an uncool person, those dudes give me a ship ton
of hope. I'm like, you know what, if I make
it six sixties, I'm gonna shine man. I I think

(53:15):
also with the insert shots, yeah, you know, I think
we can safely define a good film by the following.
It's a good film if you see the people's hands
close up more than you see their faces. You know,
that's how the industry works. The last thing I'll add
is like Omar EV's like you're saying he's such a
like a cool guy or like nice guy. There are

(53:35):
moments where like he didn't even he didn't come off
as believably a guy who had murdered his ex wife
who looks like Nia Long and you should be afraid
of him. Like I was like, oh, what's up, Omar
Epps And he's like, there's like one moment where Niah
Long is trying to like, you know, create boundaries for
his stocking, and he's like, her name is Ellie in
the thing, and he's like, who do you think you're

(53:57):
talking to? Deborah, which is his like dead ex wife,
but he does it in this way where he's like
he can't even I think he's like he's never actually
been that angry in his life. Yeah. Yeah, so even
when he has to play like this like maniacal guy
who murdered his ex wife and his stalking this woman,
it was just sort of like, I'm just sorry, Omar.
I don't know if that's in your wheelhouse man. Yeah,

(54:20):
but man, he was uh yeah, the strength of Willie
Mays Hayes. You know, you gotta watch it seriously, all right,
old guard, he was William Mays His Did they in
the second one recast it or did they just say
he was like his cousin because it was with Wesley

(54:41):
Snipes in the first one. He's Willie Mays Hayes in
the first one, and then in the second one, yeah,
he's also Willie Mays Heyes, So they just didn't really
say they were just like, yeah, they just did the
uh what do you mean now? Same? Are you sure? Yeah?

(55:03):
But I mean Snipes is could have probably pulled that
roll off, right Snipes, Yeah, because we know we've seen
Snipes he's I mean not that he's like the best,
the greatest, actor, but being a little off is definitely
in his wheelhouse. Being cool, like you know, Omar Epps
is like in the wood, you know, and like loving basketball.

(55:23):
Like there's just things where I watch out of respect
for the body of work, you know what I mean. Well,
I I'm waiting for the Blade reboot. Anything that doesn't
take Snipes away from the Blade reboot I'm on board with.
But anything that distracts him, I'm a million percent against it.
Who is the lead and the Blade reboot? Uh? I

(55:50):
don't you know? I wish it was Wesley Snipes Jack
to the point where I refused to google it because
you know, we all need a dream to hold onto.
But I don't know. I I don't think it's Leslie
Snipes though, unfortunately, do you know anything about it? I
just know there is a reboot Itchelity that's gonna be dope. Uh.

(56:16):
Academy Award winner, That's the other thing. Does mirchel ality
be like, hey man, look, I kind of I know
I told you all yes to this kind of win
the Academy Award. I mean, like, you know, when I
was down here, I could do those Blade reboot type roles.
But I'm kind of up here now. So if it's
not about like, uh, you know, maybe a a vampire
hunter who's also a driver for a problematic jazz musician,

(56:39):
uh driving through the sixties South, maybe we could do
something well. Speaking of love and basketball, because The Old
Guard was directed by the same director as Loving Basketball,
so the Old Guard is um It's basically the idea
is that there's uh like four immortal people or five

(57:00):
immortal warriors on the planet. It's a dope concept. Is
basically like one of those like modern like Peter Berg
action movies like warr movies mixed with Highlander, so like
the Back in the Day battle scenes. Like it's a
solid like Taken sequel level action movie where it's like

(57:23):
it was fun to watch, Yeah, Taken sequel, not original takeing.
It's not like a classic. It's just like, I just
like the way I'm gonna watch it, just off the
strength of that description. She does something really cool. It's
so good you don't even want to describe it. You
just want to tease that is cooled. So they like

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do cool things with the action premise of these people
can't be killed. They know it. Unfortunately, everybody who they're
fighting against also knows it, and yet it's like, you
know how in a kung fu movie the bad guys
keep coming at the hero one at a time and
you just have to ignore that. Now, imagine if that

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happened in slow motion, because every time, like these bad
guys who the one thing they know about them is
that they can't be killed, they keep killing them and
then turning around and being like, well, that did it,
or or being like killing them and then leaving the room. Um,
And it's just you really have to suspend uh disbelief

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and also like have to wonder why they're not just
beheading them because like we don't know, like they they
literally like can just heal, but they don't. It's not
like you can be behad. You can like put yourself
back together or not. It would take a long time
to put yourself back together, or if you were blown up,
like I don't know what how how that would work.

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And they hope you don't ask that question during the movie, um,
because no one else did. Um. But they there's also
some really corny ship where they like at one point
they're like, all right, let's go San Paolo in this
final raid. Uh San Paolo thirty four what happened in

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San Polo in nineteen thirty four, and Charlie is throns
like eighteen thirty four, you'll see because like she would
specify nineteen thirty four, it's just one of thirty four
know nothing before that, zero four three four it it

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like it really. The thing that is a bummer is
if you gave this movie like more thought and a
little bit more budget, um, it could have been so dope,
like the the way that they treat like So it
turns out like she's been doing this since like basically
way before the Crusades. Yeah, since um, and she's been

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like she has this like she's kind of woven this
web through history where she's saving people like two generations
before they're offspring, like cure polio or diabetes or like
all these different things. So it's like this cool idea
where she's like an instrument for God and like all
these people are. But like the they have like these

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historic battle scenes that are like Xeno Warrior Princess level,
Like they just look like people wearing hats and wigs,
like riding around me in Kansas, it's just so bad.
Fly off when they're riding a horse, you're like the
Week flew Off. Um. Yeah, it's I don't know, it's

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pretty It's a dope premise, and I could see them
like now that it's been a big success, like really
devoting some time to to it, um and like making
it if it gets better and better, like the Fast
and Furious franchise, like it could go in some really
cool directions. Even though Charlie's thrown is a little bit
of a I don't know, she's like just kind of

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serious and boring, Like I wish she had like you
could have gone right, she's the old head, but like
you could have gone in the direction of like she
like all of her historic experience like just makes her
this like genius because she knows everything Like I would
have preferred like a Tony Stark like level, like I
just like am on fire with all the knowledge of

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history that I've lived through. But instead she just seems
like bummed out by it. It's like, yeah, it's she's
just like ship. There's also like the central question of
the movie is like wait, why why don't you just
let them like study your d n A and then
we can like make everybody like like cure all these diseases. Yeah,

(01:01:57):
if you know, if you have this knowledge, like why
just sit on it? And their answer is because the
the pharma company that like what they're the main bad
guy bad guys is a pharma company. Yeah, it's called
Smith Klein called Merrick, which is basically just like guy

(01:02:20):
is Mr Merrick. He's like a young, funny looking guy
played Yeah. Yeah, basically he's supposed to be screlly and
uh he's just like impossibly evil and he's just like
I will torture them as much as I want. Who
says I can't dump toxic waste in the ocean? Okay,

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So like with the premise like this where people are
fucking invincible, usually like with Superman whoever, we know that
people have a weakness, you know, like everybody, even if
you're invincible, you have a weakness because otherwise we're just
watching God's fun it up. And while that can be fun, uh,
it doesn't always create enough conflict. So what they do

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they have a weakness? I know, you're like, why don't
they cut their heads off? Is that the thing like
decapitation or what's not even Yeah, the their weakness would
be that like they can like they die for momentarily
and then they're able to like heal like Wolverine like
the bullets, like they spit the bullets. Yeah, that that

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sort of thing. And also eventually their time is through
and Charlie is thrown who is the oldest of the
of the Old Guard. By the way, this seems like
it should be the title for like a movie starring
Clint Eastwood and Tommy Lee Jones as like old cowboys
who like called space cowboys actually, but she eventually like

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stopped healing, so like that is something that can happen. Oh,
so it's like the Star and Mario, like it wears
off at a certain point, and then you're after thousand
years and they have not there's no rhymer reason. So
it's not really a weakness as much as it's just
like an eventuality, right, because you think they'd be like, well,
the one thing that will knock them out of their

(01:04:08):
immortal immortality is this, because then you usually that's what
those films are building towards. So at a certain point,
it's like if these people already killing them and not
doing anything about it and not even knowing what to do,
then I'm like, yeah, I guess it would become a
little like you just get irritated. You're like, well, they
don't even die, they don't even have to do. There's
a million weaknesses because like you could bury them alive

(01:04:29):
and they'd just be underground four thousands of years in
the worst situation, have superhuman strength, like you could put
superhuman strength at all, Like they come back pour them
into the foundation of a building. Yeah, that's shot space,
that's what the fuck. Then, So they're irritating. They've been

(01:04:50):
kind of like going along like in secret and that
they've just been discovered. That's sort of the inciting incident
is that the CIA discovers existence or one of the
guys from the CIA um but one of the people
has been underwater in an Iron Maiden for like five years,

(01:05:12):
just drowning repeatedly. So they do kind of address that
as like this could really suck, Like this could be
very bad. All right, this person is just like the
O A over and over and over again. Yeah, yeah,
just over and over and overwning and over. Yeah. Yeah,
there will be a sequel, right, I think Charlie's their
own was talking about it. Yeah. So it ends with this,

(01:05:33):
uh yeah, it ends with a pretty cool like oh
ship that Basically, it's the well I won't I won't
spoil it for people, Like they're clearly trying to make
a cinematic universe, and it could be a cool cinematic
universe if they give the screenwriter, like find a new screenwriter,

(01:05:53):
or give them more than like ten minutes to be like, okay,
just something with Charlie Charlie staring, yeah yeah, or build
build the world a little bit because there's no offense.
You know, I'm glad people are working in any creative aspect,
but uh, some of what you describe sounds a little
bit like a four thirty PM on a Friday meeting,
you know. Yeah, Like there's definitely some of that. So

(01:06:14):
it's like, hey, do does he ever dismember them or
cut their heads? That's like how where was the nerd
the resident nerd geek person to hold it down for
all geek them and nerd um to be like how
the fund do they die? How can then somebody should
just be like, oh, then I could just put them
in concrete. There's a script right there? Boom done. Huh.
I feel like too much of pitching in Hollywood. This

(01:06:36):
is the theory I'm coming up with on the spot.
But I feel like too much of being a screenwriter,
a successful screenwriter is being good in a room, Like
you have to be able to be charismatic and pitch stuff,
but that doesn't mean you're going to be good at
in fact, it like think about how many yeah, think
about how many people who are like brilliant nerds who

(01:07:00):
would make like a script like this really sing, but
like like can't be in a room with other people
without you know, uh, swiling himselves. I think about it
all the time. Man, any time you see an interview
with uh, like tremendously talented writers and respect and stuff.
I'm not going to name names because I do love

(01:07:22):
these people in their work, but it's so often i'll
watch an interview on video or watch them, you know,
interacting contemporaneously and uh and uh then I have to
think or extemporaneously rather and then I have that moment
where I go, oh shit, that's why you write it down, bro,
just now got it off. But also like think about

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like Quentin Tarantino, like in a room for fifteen minutes,
He's gonna blow you away because he's just like, you know,
just like speaking a million miles minute and like just
hitting you with all the ideas. But there's probably like
ninety Quentin Tarantinos, who first of all aren't white men,
so that was all cut blocked from the business for

(01:08:10):
most of history. But also like are awkward and like,
you know, ship then when it's time to pitch as
opposed to just like yo, like I just emailed you
a great idea, why do I need to come in
and sit in front of you like the jock from
high school who from the studio, the royal court, you know,
of artists, that's where it's like I I'm the gatekeeper.

(01:08:32):
Now bring me your wares so I may cast my
gaze upon your putrid offerings and say we'll get back
to you, you know, like it's I think there's that
there is a feeling of like the court, you know,
like where you're like and then you will pitch to me.
And even though I'm only in this job because I
came from the marketing department and had some good like
marketing ideas for the launch of a film, I found

(01:08:54):
myself in the development position and now I'm like, m
this feels good, but I don't I don't know the
first thing, I mean, what do we do here, So
sounds like it'll do well. Charlie's there, and I like
that it's got enough plot to it so real. It's
like it's like the finished the pitch and then somebody,
somebody kind of like turns around and they're there and

(01:09:15):
they're like, you know, the fingers right steeply. Other figures
you know. Um My cousin watched Highlander three? Have you
heard of that? I think we do Highlander. My four
year old like lizards. I want a lizard with a Highlander.
Let's go ahead and get who's not dead? Philip seymore Hoppin.

(01:09:40):
Do we have him? Okay, we need to update the
wheel everyone, Yeah, because it does feel like I don't
I remember in blank Man, that fantastic comedy film with
Damon Wayne's and David Allen Greer, there was a moment
where he works for this like hard copy type show,
and the way they were writing there still is the

(01:10:00):
literal dartboard, which is like adjective verbs now, and they're
like mutant garbage man are exposing themselves. Like it was
just like that sort of like sort of scattershot way
of making a news story that so many times I
think just with the way we look at all these
Netflix films, it's almost like they know this. It is
sort of like there are certain pieces that we can

(01:10:22):
interchange with anything. As long as like these two to
three things are always consistent, then we know it'll be
enough to lure someone in for the two minutes we
need for the view. Yeah. Man, Yeah, I'm still gonna
watch both of these, though, I just want to be
clear about that. You guys sold me off the Kiki
Palmer ending the how cool it is what she does

(01:10:43):
to the boss at the end, I said, the main
bad guy. I thought it was like whatever we we got,
we got time, you know. And also with the beauty
of fast Forward, I could just go to that part.
Uh all right, right, well, Ben, it's been a pleasure
having you. I need to obviously let you go to

(01:11:04):
go watch The Old Guard. And fatal Affair is that
what we're calling it? Yeah? Uh, because that's the name
of it. Yeah, fatal affair. I mean that's so close
to fatal attraction. It's no wonder that he wrote fatal
attraction on your summary miles that it was did Yeah,

(01:11:26):
it was between risky attraction, right about infernal? How about
infernal affair? I think that's infernal an internal affair. Yeah,
it's the what the department is based on. Ben. Pleasure
having you? Where can people find you? Follow you here? You? Ah? Yeah,
so thanks for having me and guys, always a pleasure

(01:11:49):
you can find you can find not just me, but
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(01:12:09):
never gonna run out episodes on that one. Uh. You
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(01:12:32):
And is there a tweet or some other work of
social media you've been enjoying. I have been enjoying, Uh,
the a tweet recently by our our colleague or you
love our Bridget Todd Bridget Marie on Twitter. Yeah, and
you guys probably may have already talked about this but
she came up with them. She came up with a

(01:12:53):
tweet I really loved about the passing of John Lewis. Yeah,
that blew up our reddit. Actually, oh did it? Yeah?
I'm not surprised. It was great and it seems like
the kind of thing that, uh, the man himself would
really enjoy. Uh he I didn't know this for a
long time, but uh, later in life he went into
comic con cause played as himself during the Civil rights

(01:13:17):
are and and lead children on the march, and I
just thought that was beautiful. So I like that tweet,
and it was you know, I tried to do the
right thing and not pick a dick joke for this tweet. Hey,
so that that was not the right thing, but it
was a good tweet that you picked. So um, we
we do appreciate dick jokes. Miles where could people find

(01:13:38):
you and follow you? Yes? Oh, before we get to that,
I do want to mention the No Ban Act, which
will be voted on the House floor on Wednesday. Uh.
This is going to essentially repeal the entire administration's Muslim
travel band and also keep other travel bands from taking
place that are based on race or religion. Uh. If

(01:13:58):
you know, if you can, please leave a message, email
your representatives and let them know that you want them
to support this act because we're we're we're fighting on
so many dimensions right now. This is a little bit
you can do that can go a long way. Now
if you want to find me Twitter and Instagram Miles
of Gray. Also my other podcast for twenty Day Fiance,

(01:14:21):
where we talk about ninety day Fiance. Let's see a
tweet that I like. Okay, this is from at Oky
Corey c O R r. I. It says, I personally
think Cinderella should have lived a happily happy life with
all her animal friends rather than settle for a man
who had to try on his shoe because he didn't

(01:14:41):
recognize her without makeup. That is amazing that like that
is we always talk about how dumb it is that,
like we can't people couldn't tell Superman and Clark Kenner
the same person despite classes. Cinderella is the same person.
She's just got an up do versus her hair down,

(01:15:03):
damning indictment of the patriarchy. You can find me on
Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. Tweet I've been enjoying from
Zach Fox, He tweeted moaning during sex as primitive. Both
people should just say bra at a gradually increasing volume.

(01:15:28):
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song we ride out on mild What are we gonna
write out on today? Look? I just like a good cover,
and I like a cover that takes a song sort
of like in another direction. This is a track from
I Believe. He's a Dutch artist is from Amsterdam, uh
named Benny Sinks, and it's a cover of passion Fruit
from Drizzy. But it's like if the beat is already

(01:16:11):
kind of corny obviously, but this guy really kind of
takes it to like almost like animal crossing soundtrack level,
like flipping it to the animal to a passion fruit.
So it's just a fun little way to sort of
get your shoulders on, and it's not too intense. It
just feels like a nice soothing salve for your ears.

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