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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Please help me understand what they're trying to say here.
This research indicates that gen Z and millennials plan to
celebrate celebrate Halloween by dressing up and planning for the
holiday about six point eight weeks beforehand. Well, six point
eight weeks from Memorial Day is the fourth of July,
so you still have plenty of time to latch onto
a pop culture trend and turn it into a creative costume.
(00:28):
Are they saying that we're dressing you.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Know, you're going to be giving the equivalent of congressional
testimony about a food. Ai Honk and Eminem's article.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Have any of you heard of a person who who
dresses up in six point eight weeks beforehand?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well, we do like to dress up in New Orleans,
So people are planning their Marti Gras costumes for next year.
For sure.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
That is so much more like relevant though than like Halloween.
I feel like to the region, you know which, I
totally get that this.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
They just had a product launch, they needed a product launch.
They came up with this and then backed into the thing,
yeah with.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Some yeah, yeah, alright, Well I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Sorry, Miles, we've like I've almost lost miles to this
press release. He's like not, I don't think he's coming back.
You guys, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three
forty one, Episode two of Daly's I Guys production of iHeartRadio.
(01:36):
This is a podcast where we take a deep dab
into America share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, June fourth,
twenty twenty four. Six times four equals twenty four little
back of the let me just say brilliant.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And you know we had a savant on our hands.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well I didn't even pronounce math correctly. That's what a
math savona I am?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
What did you call it?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I caught a back of the envelope map.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Oh it's still impressed.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, all right, Well guess what June fourth, it's National
Hug your Cat Day. I will definitely hug both of
my cats. It's also National Cheese Day, National Konyak Day,
and also a National Old Maid's Day. Feels I'm wondering
how regressive this is. Oh, it's just about recognize ladies
out there who never marry and remain childless. This is
(02:24):
who put regressive. Holy shit.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Tomorrow is gonna be National gap Day with those two
food ones. Yeah, apparently in nineteen forty eight, Marion Richards
of Jefferson Jeffersonville, Pennsylvania held the first Old Maid's Day gathering. Okay, wow,
at least.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
She's celebrating, no owning it.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
We're amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, okay it is well for you, got your holidays,
enjoy where appropriate going.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
All right, Well, my name is Jack O'Brien aka lift
nodes more like lymph Yes, uh, that is courtesy the
Andrew bubb in reference to the fact that I was
admiring Miles's plumped up Yeah, exactly, fighting infection. Those things
were popping, fighting, fighting a cold. I'm thrilled to be
(03:18):
joined as always by my co host, mister Miles Grast.
Miles Gray.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Guess what these lyph nodes are popping? Aka? I have
some nasty noes, nasty. I have some nasty nose, nasty.
I have some nasty nose nasty. Shout out to nache
Wow track Song of the Summer nasty Uh, shout out
the best shout nest.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Quake on.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Miss Quike. Yeah right, shout out everybody down there in
os uh for that one. Shout up to the Tanase track.
What they were saying, Jack needs to be in the background,
like whining like in all the meme videos. Have you
seen that video? No, Jack, I gotta send it to you. Yeah, okay,
if I could, if you hit some of these days,
allow my assignment. Okay, m First, I'll send you the
requisite material to study the choreography, and then we'll get
(04:06):
back and we'll see if we can put something worth it.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our
third seat by the host of the fascinating podcast Sea Change,
which is produced by New Orleans and Batmanos Public Radio.
Please welcome to the show, Carlisle Calhoun and Hallie Parker.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Welcome, Welcome you, thank you, happy to be here.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Thank you so much for having us.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, of course, it's nice to have people who are
doing really good investigative podcasting, unlike us who are subjecting
you guys to trying to figure out a food and wine.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I was going to say, two peers in the world
of just doing important podcasting, groundbreaking podcasting. It's it's great
to be in the same room with some people who
I can just let my hair down and be like,
I'm with my people. We both get you know, we
both we both get it and are breaking new ground.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, I'm loving it in the space that you all
are providing here. So thank you. Well, I'm already thoroughly entertained.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Oh thank You're too kind, You're too kind. I don't
know if our names will ever be listed or mentioned
by anything with the word pullets are in front of it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We are.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
We are definitively associated with anything to do with the pulletzers.
They were like, we just wanted They issued a statement
just making sure that everybody with just for no purpose, Yeah,
just to just to be clear. We have nothing to
do with that show.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
F y.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I nobody suggested we did, but we.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Just want to get we'll get ahead of it, get
ahead of any misunderstandings for sure. For sure.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You guys are both in New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yeah yeah, we're both based in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
How is New Orleans right now? This time? Here? Steamy
so put in a charming way, Yeah, drenched in history.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
That grown from holly kind of I said a lot
for me.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
It's the time of year where it's just air conditioning
all day. You get to see the sun outside. You
want to touch it, but you know you'll get burned.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
It's it's like the inverse of everywhere else, Like the
rest of the year. Everybody like looks at our zoom
backgrounds and they're like, where are you God, that looks amazing, Oh,
New Orleans in this summertime, it's just us being like
everybody else is like yay summer, and.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
We're like, yeah, just the deafening sound of insects, like
drowning in heat.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah. Yeah, the muggy or the place. I feel like,
the less enthusiasm from people who have to go through
it every year. They're like, Na, that's fine. I mean
I have to bring seven pairs of seven outfits with
me just to go outside for ten minutes exactly. Yeah,
I know that. I know that.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Plate air conditioning huh what a what an innovation.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
To get the one in my car? Fick, it's been
a year, guys. Oh, it's crazy being a newars.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
That is not okay. That is not okay.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So are you just like driving eighty down in a
thirty five just to get the wind airflow, to.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Feel a breeze and also feel some life. Yeah, you just.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Feel a lot.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
When I had I had an all black car that
did not have air conditioning in the dry desert heat
of Los Angeles, and when I was in that phase
in the summer, I had no joke. I would have
a driving shirt I would wear because like, when I
get to my destination, I cannot look respectable stepping out
of the vehicle like this that I had. I had
him on deck.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
But that's actually genius. I mean, ideally I'll get my
act together and just get my but it's not. I
can make sure an outfit.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, they're great innovation.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
The way my problem solving works is especially at that time,
like is it gonna cost money? And I'm like, well,
what's the other thing I can do?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You know? Money? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Under shirts?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah exactly, Oh man, the stay that would have grown
out of that thing.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Podcast about another existential threat to humanity scientifically.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Right, All right, Well, we're going to get to know
you guys a little bit better and talk about sea change.
But first we do like to get to know our
guests a little bit better by asking them what is
something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Hallie,
do you want to start us off?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Oh man, I was taking a look at my search
history this morning, and all it reveals is that I
work way too much.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So what shows up? What are the terms that give.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Us that I was looking up. I don't know if
you guys know LSU, right, yeah, familiar. So we're actually
working on a piece about LSU right now. We're looking
into some history, some archivists. So that was what my
search history was all about.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Man Halle, we're such nerds. I have something fun to share.
I am looking at my search history shows Well, we're
my husband and AMERICAN'SONRNY buying a house in New Orleans.
So I've been looking at flood maps. Oh yeah, the
show the elevation across the city. And also because I'm
working on an insurance episode, so I'm looking at the
(09:18):
elevation maps of all of southern Louisiana, which are not
very high. You don't see very big numbers of elevation
across southern Louisiana. So that is that is what my
my search history is, just a bunch of flood maps.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Right. Is there like a section where the wealthy have
identified as their bastion of safety, like how they have
in Miami And they're like, well, look, was it like
Liberty City.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I feel like in the housing complex from Moonlight is
like one of the higher grounds in Miami, and things
have changed in terms of who's investing there and how
people are treating that property.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yes, I mean totally that the high ground, like the
highest ground is by the levees, so there are like
the wealthier neighborhoods are generally like the higher ground. Wow,
same thing.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
There was even like after a Hurricane Katrina, there was
this program called the green Dot program, and it was
like areas where there had been really intense flooding. Whoever
was making plans for post Katrina put like a green
dot over it, and it was supposed to kind of
be like nobody could rebuild there because it was below
sea level. But then you know, people fought back like, hey,
(10:29):
you can't tell me I can't live where I'm from,
And so that didn't didn't happen. But it's it is
wild how much elevation is now like changing where people
are living.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah. Absolutely, Wow, that's wild. You've already rubb in their
midst for that. That's the wild part too. You know,
obviously we're going to be talking about climate and things
like that, but people have the like logical intellectual understanding
that it's like, well, where I am is not going
to be good, so therefore I should go here where
I know it will be good. Now willing to divest
(11:01):
from this kind of thinking or you know, investing.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
No, no, yeah, no. And also just affordability plays into
it because I think that, you know, people are doing
their research and so it's going to be more competitive
to be in the places that aren't underground or you know,
right next to like a bunch of tinder in the
case of California.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, but are.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Those good places going to get so expensive.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
That yeah exactly, yeah, absolutely, yeah, and then just being
next to one of the bad places might have you
disqualified from being insured. As you know, there's entire zip
codes that are basically getting decued, which is difficult. So
is the LSU story related to climate change?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Is it is?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Okay, we won't we won't try and scoop it. I'm
just like, I know LSU from sport from Shack and
Jill essentially an angel Rey. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yes.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
The normal things people associate l SU with. We're looking
more at the environmentally.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Oh we like that, yeah, investigation state, yes, interesting, see Jack,
we got to do stuff like you didn't put on
notice shack.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
See.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Do you think that the Pulitzer Center will help us
with the podcast?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You know, I'm just connecting. I'm saying here a little
bit this food and wine article, I don't know how
to comprehend the data and what is being said there.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I think a Pulitzer Center dot org holler at us too.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
You're asking question.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Y'all are connecting though, y'all are connecting.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Is something you guys think is underrated?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Well I'll since hell he had to go first on
the other one, I'll go first.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I was I had like a serious answer and less
serious answer. So I was going to say, my serious
answer is journalism, because we all know people are losing
their jobs left and right, and the business that democracy
depends on is struggling. But I'll go with the less
serious answer and say, you know, when you get your
haircut and they give you like the head massage while
(13:19):
they're washing your hair, and it's like, that's really why
I'm there. Sure I need a haircut, but like I'm
really there for that head massage, and I want to
know beforehand is the person. Is a hairstyle, is a
good head massage? Are they going to like just go
too short? Are they going to give me the temple rub?
And they're like, I want to know, And I think
that should be I think it's underrated. I think it
(13:40):
should be discussed more.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I have stayed with hairstylists based on an initial head
rub that never came again, like just based on I'm like, oh,
but you know they know what they're doing. I'm like,
wasted all you, I've got you, You're hooked. Yeah, And
I have never heard of journalism, so I don't know
what that one's about.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But this one, the haircut thing, how you Floyd's barber shop.
They were a little mechanized glove. I remember back when
I had hair to get cut there. I remember like
there was like a massage power glove sometimes the hairstylists
would wear. But to your point, Jack, there was this
Japanese dude named Peter. I would go to the way.
He would get my shoulders like I had never had.
(14:23):
I had never been touched like this with such instant
relief in my life that I was like, is can
I just pay for that part? Because I don't care
about the hair, get.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
The shoulders in and had this.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Like technique where he would have his hands like this,
like with his fingers separated and then like chopped down
so you get this like clack clock cluck cluck.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
It was.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, anyway, I'm with that, And hairstylists, y'all should be
charging extra for that because guess what we'll pay for it,
those of us with hair Yeah, yeah, true.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They had like an extra if you could like click
the like ten to twenty minute, like do you want
to pay.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
More for like yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, I'm like,
let's just skip the haircut. Like do people ever go?
Do people indulge themselves and just go get their hair
washed and then leave?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I mean I feel like my grandmother did.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, I think that was kind of a common thing.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I think.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, And I think we're all like people who run
cuddle parties will tell you that we're all like touchstars
in our modern world where we like don't really see
each other that often in person, that like there is
a market for just like going and you know, making
physical contact with another human being. So and I definitely
(15:35):
feel that when I'm getting a haircut. Oh right, God, this.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Is like I love you, They're like, what the sides?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah? Absolutely, hally, how about you?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah, I mean I feel like this is starting to
get more respect, But I really feel like more adults
without children should have kiddie pools, so.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Like a little inflatable one.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Mm hmm, a little inflatable one.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I was speaking about that recently, Hallie. Maybe this is
a new orleance thing. But I saw like a photograph
somewhere of adults and a kitty pool, and I was like,
speaking of like the cheap the cheap fix. Well, I
can't put a pool in right, Yeah, I can go
to Walmart.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And get.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
No, I'm about to adopt a little pit bull and
I'm so excited to get a kittie pool and just
swim around in there with her.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, what kind of like a red nose, a blue
nolt kind of pit mix mix? Okay, everything's a pit
I feel like, is that is that how it is
in like Louisiana too, Like so many Southern California dogs
are just by default pit mixes, basically.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I don't know, that's a good question. There's definitely a
few at are at the rescue shell.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, positive, Yeah, there's a lot of rescue pits around.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, yeah, I agree the brain ending that comes with
those pools, like labeling them kiddie pools, like they could
just as easily be foot soaken pools. You know. Yeah,
a body cooler.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
We need to change the narrative about this.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think body cooler off the body, yeah,
body Maybe the little too serial killer ish to be like.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Hey, you guys, got.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
What you mean? Freezer in my garage? That's what I meant,
like a like a corygated steel, like just forget the
thing I said.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Hopefully that would have camped in the focus groups, you.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Know, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
As a kid, I always wanted I wanted an El
Camino so bad because I thought that the back of
El Caminos was a pool that like I saw people
sitting in the back of them, and I'm like, in
my kid brain, I'm like, I would put a pool
back there. I bet there's pools in the back of Caino.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Somebody has to have done that, right, Yeah, people do
that in pickup trucks too.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I've seen that.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, yeah, just.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I feel like I saw that on Shark Tank maybe
and I was like, see, yeah, that's an idea.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
As a pool rolls in it rolls in sharks, and
he's like in a pool. In the back of.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
This is seventy three El Camino, and it's also a pool.
I'm looking for a five hundred thousand dollars investment for
ten percent equity in the company I'm in.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, and that's why I am not a shark. Yeah,
among many other reasons. What is something hally that you
think is overrated?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You know, weirdly, even though I'm advocating for adult pitty pools,
Like we were just talking about summer's overrated to me
right now, don't need it? Just give us spring New
Orleans all year round?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Is that the best time of year?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I'd say, so, yeah, what do you think, Carly?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Anytime, but summer is the best time. But spring, like festivals,
it's fun, falls, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I was in the.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Time of summer.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, it was really nice, really nice. And
I kind of did that thing where just by chance,
like I was walking through like the French Quarter and
there was like one of those ghosts tour. You know,
there's so many like tours like these are all the
ghosts of the French Quart or whatever, and like inadvertently
we were walking the same path, like we're kind of
taking the same walk, so, you know, past I didn't
want to feel like I was getting free information, but
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every time I turned around, the group was there, and
I had to be like, well, hold on, what's what
happened here?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I've always wondered how easy it would be to do that.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, yeah, tour is good enough like that, that's that's
an occupational hazard. You're gonna be pulling people in like flame.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, is that the best tour to take? Because I
feel like that is one of the most I feel
like so many tourists go there like you gotta see
like all the spooky shit New Orleans, Like that's really
what it's about. I'm like, I think there's a lot
of other stuff happening too, but yeah, go ahead, it's
so spooky. Maybe I was there in the fall too,
so it was that six point eight week going on
with the Halloween.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Halloween come and start coming back. There is a lot
of spooky stuff, but I would I would say that
there's there is more to New Orleans than the spooky ghosts,
but like it's a good tour, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Especially when you think about where the spookiness comes from
like it's all like tortured slaves and it's like, oh.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Yeah, but I guess want still drink kind of coming
back to it was like, oh, like so okay, you
know what, I'm going to go to Preservation Hall because
that's more of my father there.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
All right, I'm with you there, I'm with you, Carl.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
What about you? What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I'm gonna make so many enemies here, but I'm gonna
have to say brunch brunch to me is overrated because
I'm hungry when I wake up and I'm like, I
gotta go to brunch. I can't eat now, I won't
be hungry for brunch. Then if I managed to make
it till brunch, brunch is great, all good, then I'm hungry,
like middle afternoon? What am I doing? Then it's like
(20:57):
Lenner like all of a sudden, my old days, like yeah, between.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Meals, two meal day, what's going on? Yes?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
And I'm not good with that. I was like feel
like I was promised three meals, you know, and so
now I'm getting two. And then restaurants charge more because
they're like it's brunch, and I'm like you're doing. It's
the same thing I got yesterday.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
No, these scrambled eggs are fourteen dollars.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
If you want to if you want to, say, like
let's go out and like drink while we're eating, Like
I'm down with that, just like you know, you.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Want to have a scott.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, let's just scumbag break breakfast at Denny's. We're gonna
drink some Soco in the parking lot and then you'll
have a Moon's over my Hammi at Denny's.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And then it's still expensive. We put a unch in
there instead of eckfast, So yeah, you gotta pay us.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah yeah, sorry brunch people.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
No, but it is true. It is that that. It's
that psychological.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's that transitional space where you wake up and you're like,
I need eat breakfast, and then you're like, but I
also have to go to an overpriced brunch in like
two hours or something. So what do What am I
to do? Because I'm not gonna yeah, yeah, well you
know what to do? Yeah, I guess I'll just guess
I'll just nibble on one piece of plane toast, no butter,
(22:10):
eating my eating the heel of the loaf.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Just yet, all right, well, we're going to take a
quick break and then we're going to come back and
we are going to talk about sea change.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
We will be right back and we are back. We
are back, and we are back.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
We are and we're back.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Hallie, Carlisle, Carlisle or Carly, what do you prefer?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well on on sea change? I'm Carlisle, but my friends
call me Carly, So please car Carly's great.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Are we are? We are we familiar? Oh?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
We we're on Carly terms all right.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Carly.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Familias. I like that you broke it and like New
Orleans prenology amazing. So your show is based out in
New Orleans, and I've heard you as mentioned that like
living on a coast, and particularly the coast of Louisiana
is kind of the front lines of global heating. And
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so I just wanted to he guys talk about kind
of what you see there that we might not be
seeing elsewhere right now, but might be a preview of
like where we're headed.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Oh, such a great question. I mean, when I was
thinking about this, what really stuck out in my mind.
I was here twenty twenty one Hurricane Ida came through,
and that was a storm that strengthened really fast, rapidly
intensified as we say, and then after it blew through,
it wasn't really like a rainstorm. It was more of
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like a windstorm. It caused kind of damage, especially closer
to the coast.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
People.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I think we're out and out of power near the
coast for over three months for some people that were
really far down there. Yeah, it was crazy. But then
not only that we got by a hurricane, but then
immediately after that hurricane goes through, we then get hit
by a giant heat wave, and so people don't have power.
It's I didn't have power for a week, and I
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couldn't sleep because there was just this extreme heat going on.
And so for me, that's like the picture of what
climate change means and what we're facing. It's one hazard
after the other, you know, having to deal with all
of these different problems all at once.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, And I mean that's just to just to keep
like the cheerfulness of what's coming for us all going
that the other thing.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Is a worst case scenario.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yet, I mean, seas are rising across the South and
across the Gulf faster than almost anywhere else in the world.
So already, so many people are having to move from
from where their families are, from where they live in
South Louisiana, and like across the southeast coast, you're starting
to see that too, with like more sunny day flooding
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and just like the seas are rising, and it means
houses on the outer banks in North Carolina are falling
into the ocean, and it means that people have who
have lived for generations in Southern Louisiana are having to
think or already having to move. And it's pretty intense.
And that is like that is around the world. Seas
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are rising, So it is definitely something that's going to
change like what our coastlines look like and where people
can live, I think, pretty like faster than we're planning for.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
For sure, right yeah, right, It's one of those things
that is already happening. But we it feels like the
mainstream kind of consciousness, like that's kind of what we
chart on our show, And it feels like people have
a fairly easy time blocking out when it's happening to
other people as long as it's not happening to them
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or possibly like to their neighbor, than.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
They're such a shame. What's happening there. Yeah, like that's
sort of the level of Earth. And yeah, I mean,
I'm really I mean I think about just the what
the NOAA was saying about this season's hurricane season and
how they're like, this could be one of the worst
ones we've seen in a long time in terms of
like the some like potentially twenty eight named storm systems
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in this season and that's a huge uptick. And the
other part that was really to your point about these
sort of like compounding natural disaster events, is like FEMA
and other disaster relief agencies can only handle so much
that if you have like storm after storm and then
God forbid another thing over in this part, supply chains
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get strained, and we truly are looking at a thing
where like they'll be like, there's there's literally so much
going on, we can actually not really do anything right now.
We're spread so thin. And I think that's another real
dimension of like sort of like the bureaucratic part of
it too, that you I think people always presume they're like, no,
they're there, they'll be okay, they'll be ready for this,
where even for the experts who deal with this or
(27:08):
saying this, like we're trying to figure out how we
can even like simulate how we wrap our heads around
multiple storms hitting multiple places with you know, the kinds
of devastation that require our assistance. And yeah, it is
definitely we are going to begin really seeing it in
a way that we're going to be even harder to deny.
I mean, I think people who live in these areas
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already see it, but yeah, we're definitely the messages are
there that we need to do something about it, which
is why liquid natural gas kind of comes into it.
And the whole impetus for this is to talk about
the expansion of liquid natural gas or I guess we
shouldn't even that's like eupham, that's like a euphemistic term.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I mean it's natural. So I feel like we're good here,
Like yeah, yeah, natural right. I do like worked on me,
like when they first were like, well, guys, we're like
moving over to natural gas, and oh that shit is natural.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, and we see it on our buses and like
Los Angeles, Y're like, oh, all, like either it's CNG
or LNG and you're like, don't worry, this is this
is cleaner now because it's operating that and you have
these like subtle messages around you that reinforce the sort
of like non threatening nature of this of natural gas.
But yeah, what what is it? What should we be
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first of all, what should we be calling it so
we can use the right terminology when we sort of
think about when we get all these stories hitting us,
like what should we be calling like liquid natural gas
if you want to honor what it actually is.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
It's something Hallie and I talked about a lot as
we were writing this series, because everybody knows it is
natural gas. So like us all of a sudden just
using another term, people be like, what are you talking about?
I'm already first of all, you're already trying to tell
me about liquified natural gas. Now you're now you're talking
about some other term I've never heard about, right, So,
I mean, we did call it natural gas in our
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in our series because that's what we all know it as.
But I mean a lot of experts are saying we
should be calling it methane gas or fracked gas because
we get it from fracking, which explains yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Fraggy juice.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
But it's mostly it's mostly methane. Natural gas is mostly
made up of methane, which is like, in the short term,
way worse for our climate than carbon dioxide. So we've
all been like talking about, you know, carbon emissions in
this kind of thing, which is like really a serious issue,
we should be concerned about that, But methane in the
short term, it's like I had a scientist described it
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to me as like carbon dioxide is like wrapping the
world in a blanket. Methane is like wrapping the world
in eighty blankets. Like it's eighty times more potent at
heating up our climate in the near term.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So when at least it's bad.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You know, I thought it was good, like eighty percent,
Like if you had told me, guys, it's only eighty
percent is bad, I would have been like, damn, like
they lied to us. But eighty times worse is yeah,
so wild that I can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
What are sort of the benefits that have Like when
you see a municipality be like we're going to change
our entire bus suite to LNG or whatever, what what
for them? When they're like it's better, what's like the
very tenuous data or argument they're holding on to to
be able to say that out loud in public and
not get laughed at.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah, so, like very simply, methane does burn cleaner than
like regular gas clean or something like that. But that's
only when it's burnt, like when it's actually being burnt
by those buses, that it is cleaner. But the whole
life cycle, you know, happen to get it up out
of the ground, all of the gas that goes out,
transporting it, all of those different pieces. Yeah, you add
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that all up, and it's not yet the leaks.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Right, it's not good.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know. We hear from climate scientists like that. There's
been a number of like reports where they're like, guys,
it's going going hotter faster than we expected in our
some of our worst case projections. But I've not heard
it connected to liquid natural gas until your show that,
(31:13):
Like that's one of the theories as to how we're
we're getting there, how it's getting so much hotter, so
much faster. So that's just I wanted to make sure
that we made that connection too right.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And what kind of kicked off the LNG boom, like
is was it like a green washing thing where the
emphasis on oil created like a lane for like LNG
to move in the shadows because everyone's so focused on oil,
or was there like a pr moment where proponents were like, Okay,
we can claim that this gas is different, let's do that.
(31:45):
What sort of like what what were the what were
the building blocks to kind of get us to this point.
Now we're like, y'all, we are absolutely destroying our planet
like that one of the worst ways possible, and we're
barely even talking about that dimension of it.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I mean, what really kicked this off was like, don't
remember the fracking boom, Like it was really took off
like under Obama's time, where like the technology for fracking
got so good that all of a sudden, these oil
and gas companies like out in West Texas and New
Mexico and like the areas where there has been a
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ton of fracking, like they got so good at it
that there was a surplus right of all this natural
gas and they're like, okay, we can only sell so
much of it domestically, where are we going to sell
all this stuff? And we went at that time like
there were the first correct me if I'm wrong on
this alley, but I think the first LNG terminal on
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the on the Gulf Coast was for bringing it was
for importing LNG because at that point we didn't have
that much. And then it goes, you know, in a
few years and went from that import terminal becoming an
export terminal, and then all of these plans for all
of these this rollout of the like this huge expansion
of LNG export terminals because we've just have that much
(33:00):
natural gas that you know, the industry is like, well,
let's sell it, let's lipify it, ship it everywhere else
and sell it overseas. Yeah, and we know that natural
gas well mm hmm. I was about to saying, we
know natural gas is cleaner than coal, but you know,
again that's like a big question mark. Not necessarily, but
that was at least the argument that was grasped by
(33:21):
the pr agencies, by the oil and gas industries that
they promoted that gas is cleaner, right, Gas is the
cleanest fossil fuel. And so when you make people think that,
they're like, oh, aren't we already doing the cleanest that
we can do?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You know, right? Right? And would I be correct in
assuming that when Republicans and some Democrats tout the benefits
of LNG expansion, like new jobs, increased revenues for the community.
The opposite is happening, is that is that?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I mean, like it sounds like locals are not benefiting
and the environment is absolutely taking an absolute kick in
the teeth because of it. But I don't know, maybe
there's maybe these people that live in these areas are
shareholders because those people seem to be getting value. So
maybe the a lot of the shareholders for these companies
live along in the Golf coast or this is all
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just pr spin.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
That's a really good question. I think like they're for
sure supporters on the ground in these communities because there
are some jobs the whole Like you know, how many
jobs are construction jobs so around just during the construction,
and then how many are permanent and how many jobs
are actually in are the people in the community getting
(34:32):
those jobs? Like all of that, it gets a little
more nebulous of like how many jobs are really how
many good jobs are really? You know, is are these
new export terminals providing? But like on the other side
of it, for sure, the impacts of the environment are crazy.
I mean, the amount of pollution that these communities are
having to live with are pretty extreme. So like yes,
(34:54):
there are some benefits, but do they outweigh the other
and then also out where so these are getting right yeah,
and then a lot of these companies are getting massive
tax breaks as well, so how much money is coming
to these communities. So there are a lot of questions
like that.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But the share but the shareholders, right, they are winning.
The shareholders are winning.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Shareholders are doing gang bus.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Okay, oh thank god, Okay, I was worried. I told you, Jack,
they seemed to stay winning. It turns out shareholders yeah, yeah,
and yeah, I I like there there's a recent I
forget which episode it was, but just talking talking about
how as long as it remains business as usual, they're
going to keep finding ways to do this. Like the
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natural gas starts as this like buzz term that's like
this is the future of energy and like it's cleaner
and it's a bridge fuel to like a cleaner tomorrow.
And then it becomes ensconced and like you know, the
second that something is making money, it becomes more powerful.
And it brings me back to this, Like I remember
(35:58):
an article in the Wall Street Journal, all those talking
about how DEI and like environmental justice initiatives like were
like they were, like, you know, these once had momentum,
but now they're a bad word on Wall Street because
they've been like determined to be less profitable. And it
just it feels like the way the system is set up,
(36:22):
like you really can't use the logic the internal mechanisms
of like hypercapitalism to fix this. It feels like it
has to take into account that they are going to
find a way to keep things the way they're going
for as long as possible, Like they're going to go
(36:43):
down kicking and screaming. But I don't know what, like
does does that seem true to you? Do you? Like
you guys do a good job of highlighting things that
make you hopeful? Are there examples that kind of contradict
that of where people you know, where BP is like
investing in clean energy in the future or something, you know,
(37:04):
like what just how do you guys think about that
big question? Jack? I know, like the role Yeah, just
like specifically the ability of like entrenched power to ever
be like part of the solution.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
I feel like, and Carly, I'm so curious about what
you think here too, Like you know, I don't I'm
not sure if you guys are familiar or if your
listeners are familiar with the IPCC report. It's a giant
international report that's basically a collection of all of the
latest and greatest climate science that's summarized by you know,
all the big climate scientists out there working together on it.
(37:42):
And when you look at those projections, they always have
this one option that's business as usual. And so that's
of like we kept doing the same thing that we're
still doing, still rule our society the same way that
if you look at those projections. Obviously this is audio,
so I have to explain my hand gesture here. The graph,
the temperature graph just keeps going up. It's just an
(38:04):
exponential graph to the top where our planet just kind
of burns up. And I think that that says that
we should not continue business as usually. We need to
find other ways to do our business.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Okay, so your anti planet burning up? Okay, interesting, that's
your opinion.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, not going to come in with the counterpoid to that,
but but I am going to bring in the hope
that I think you are looking for, Jack, which is
like renewables are also doing gangbusters, and like we the
solar installations and wind capacity that we're adding every year
is like we're doing better than expected, and so like
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renewables are taking off, they're getting everybody knows, they're also
getting cheaper. They're becoming the cheaper option. And so yes,
entrenched power. An entrenched industry is really hard to like
dislodge from their place of power. Of course, they want
to keep doing business as usual. But when the market
keeps saying, yeah, but this is so much cheaper and
(39:08):
better for the planet, then there's only so long you
can you can fight that. So, I mean, that's really hopeful.
It's just how much renewable energy is taking off around
the world.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, just to bash capitalism a little bit more though there.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
And then right after that, Carly with a counterpoint.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Last year, I was talking to this like retired like
longtime environmental lawyer, and he I don't know if I
have heard of the rights of nature movement. It's basically
this like push by different indigenous groups to be able
to steward these different pieces of nature and give them
their own rights, almost as a person, like a river
could be have the same protective rights as a person.
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And that's actually moving forward in South American countries. That's
moving forward. It's actually been ingrained in a Latin American
country's constitution, and it's moving forward in places like Europe,
areas that are more socialist. That moves forward. And when
I was asking him like, is there any hope can
we get that done here in the US, He's like,
I mean we could, but capitalism, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
It's like how many guillotines you got? Counterpoint, that's ridiculous.
The only thing that should have the rights of people
is corporate corporations yea burnt Yeah, yeah, sorry, I could
tell you. Yeah, No, I mean there there was successful
(40:35):
legislation in Where was it it was in a US state?
I want to say Minnesota maybe, but where like a
group of kids basically and keep it. I don't know
enough to finish the sentence. Minnesota Timberwolves or something. I
was thinking of the Minnesota Timberwolves. You had a good
(40:57):
run in the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I'm sorry, Yeah, give me the kids lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Like the kids, Yes, that's the one I was thinking of.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Yeah, searing companies for our future?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
A question like, oh, y, all right, let's take a break.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break and
we will be right back and we're back. We're back, Miles.
I cut you off to go to the break so
that I could try and google the thing that I
(41:33):
was talking about, and I was so off base I
didn't I couldn't even be like, yes.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
The Rudy Go Bear trial. Oh no, that's the Timberwolves again. Yeah,
I know that. You know, you know, with an election year,
there's always like.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Some montage damn it.
Speaker 9 (41:51):
Sorry, oh yeah that was way that was a few
months ago. Yeah, yeah, okay, Hey, it was a damnated Stana. Yeah,
Montana Jack because Montana Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah, fact checking love.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
It because I thought you were going with the rights
of nature thing, because I think in Minnesota there was
a tribe that got the rights to a kind of
wild rice. So it's just kind of wild rice. Yeah,
has the same rights as the person. So that's probably
what you were thinking about.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Absolutely not we also, yeah, I think you can whatever
the smartest version in your brain is, like, that's probably
the ones.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Most nuanced smart Yeah, answer was that that's what I
was thinking. But I was saying, you know, in an
election year, there's always there's all like energy always becomes
a focal point. And whether it was like Biden initially
being like are you with fracking?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Are you against fracking?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
And some people being like, we've seen what fracking does
to our state, Like this always ends up being something
that has to get uttered on a debate stage. And
I was curious that earlier this year, you know, there
was a there's an export ban on LNG and I've
seen I've seen a lot of think pieces from like
you know, financial sector, like Wall Street journal types and
(43:06):
Fox newsplaces like this is actually going to be this
is going to doom our economy. But from an environmental standpoint,
how do you look at this LNG band that's it's positive,
it's is it? How how far is it going? Because
in like knowing what I know from listening to your
show and just how dire the situation is with liquified
natural gas. Hearing that there is a band, I'm like, oh,
(43:30):
that sounds like progressive, but what how is that viewed as?
How's that viewed from like, you know, the people that
are really in the trenches when it comes to this
battle with the expansion of energy.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Well I'll start so so yeah, I'll just start off.
So like the Biden It's it's really more it's like
a pause, So we are still exporting the heck out
of LNG right now, like oh okay, that is going
up and up so that we have more export terminals.
There's still many in the process of being built. So
it didn't do any thing to what we're exporting now
(44:02):
and what we will continue to export as more of
these export terminals come online. But what this pause did
was say, before we give the green light to all
these other ones that are you know, waiting in the wings. Yeah,
oh okay, so they're all waiting to get the green light,
they're going to say, well, actually, why don't we think
about what are the climate implications and your point about
(44:23):
like election year and like prices that impact all of us.
What does exporting energy due to America's energy prices? So
the pause is just like, we're going to look at
all this information and then we'll decide should we keep
expanding energy?
Speaker 1 (44:38):
So I see, Yeah, but worded very cleverly to give
the feeling that it's like we've we've shut the spigots off, folks,
not a not a drop more. But I get it.
Like anything. I mean, so many of the like recent
decisions have been something of like and we're going to
check in on the state of coal energy in like
eight years or after the Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
But how do you want to like, do you want
to bring up the whole price like what we found
out in our reporting with like LNG and how it
does affect.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Yeah, yeah, I can talk about that. I was also
going to mention what the LNG pause that people on
the ground, like environmental justice activists that have been working
against these plans for a while are were, This was
like a huge major stuff. They were about to go
like bang down the doors of the Biden administration Department
Energy and like sit down in their building and not
(45:30):
leave until they gave them what they wanted. So for them,
this was like a huge step forward. But also, yeah,
even beyond those activists, there's actually a giant group of different,
i don't know, different types of industries once that you
wouldn't even necessarily think would care about LNG or be
anti shipping gas everywhere. And that's because the more gas
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that we ship out, the more pressure it actually puts
on our own economy. And so when you see your
natural gas maybe your eating bills going up, that could
be the result of how much gas we're sending out
because we're opening ourselves up to this larger market. I
don't know if that explanation made sense. That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
It's a lot more volatile, and like, yeah, it's also
a supply and demand, like we're sending our supply elsewhere.
We're not just giving it all here for us where
it's like, oh, we've got this glut, so like our
prices are going to go down when we're sending it
to other countries who will pay a lot more for
it than it's making the price.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Go up, right, Yeah. And then because I'm sure the
Ukrainian invasion also was a huge help to American natural
I remember that was like a thing that felt like
we weren't talking enough about at the time. But I remember,
like for a second, they're like, Russia could make Europe
cold by turning off the gas. And then like you'd
see sometimes like America has a lot of LG to
(46:51):
help people out over there, and you're like, oh great now,
rather than like arms shipments, were like, hey man, we
got this other thing you can buy that's already obstructive
to your house.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, they go yeah, And it's crazy because that's still
an argument that the gas industry is making even now
two years later.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, they know how to push our buttons or push
the New York Times as buttons, I guess. So I
do feel like there is things I've heard in the
show that just generally, like people who go in depth
on a problem like this, you guys know all the
ways that it's really bad and troubling. Like there's a
(47:33):
whole insurance aspect to this, with like people not being
able to buy home insurance anymore because of you know,
just how bleak the outlook is for the climate or
the specific locations where they are that is already happening.
But so you know, like the details of how it's bad,
But I feel like you also get a look at
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like people coming together to like make changes and like
create things that could give us hope. And I was
just wanting to like spend the last section of the
show just talking about what you guys have seen in
that respect of people kind of coming together and fighting
for each other and the future of the planet.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, I'll start with just like this episode that Hallie
recorded with activists from around the world that was after
our LNG series, and she spoke to activists in Japan
and Germany and across the Gulf Coast, and it was
really inspiring to hear how people are coming together from
you know, other countries and building and building an alliance
(48:38):
of saying like, okay, we're seeing these impacts here too,
you're seeing them there. A lot of them have come
to the US to see, like because we're ground zero
where this is where it's all coming from, to kind
of draw the connections, and a lot of them, you know,
they're finding hope in their work and they're like the
last thing anybody should do is you know, we don't
have time for any of us to get to depress
(49:00):
about this and just go like hide in a hole,
like there's work to be done to save our planet.
And so they were, you know, forming bonds around that,
and like each one of them was finding hope in
the fact that like you find the pockets where things
are getting better and renewable energy is taking off, and
like you know, there is this pause on just like
willy nilly expanding without thinking about you know, the ramifications, right,
(49:24):
So like people are finding the winds where they can.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Yeah, and are the question of whether they'll be enough
like that, just finding the winds and then like if
we can magnify those just to talk about the winds,
then you know there there can be momentum there. But
it does feel like you need to go kind of
small to local reporting to find to find out that
(49:49):
much about whatever right he's doing.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Because we're so used to seeing things at such a
macro level where it's like, yeah, this industry is doing
this and they're doing great, and some people try to
push back and it's not working. But then I was
listening to that episode with all that the activists on
the ground, and it was interesting how they all saw
how what their respective country's role is in this sort
of like mechanism of LNG expansion where I think Maluki
(50:12):
was the name of the Japanese guy. He was saying,
you know, obviously Japan is a huge investor, like the
institutional investment comes from Japanese banks, and then the German
guys like we're the biggest consumer of it, and understanding that,
like for the Japanese activists, like they're having to put
pressure like on the institutional banks to understand like what
exactly is happening and how those roles are different. But
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because of the coordination, they're feeling like Oh yeah, we're
we're find like we're seeing what every how everything works.
But it's about that. I mean, it's really solidarity and
that that level of commitment and collaboration that gives them
the hope. And I think that just seems to be
the message across many crisis crises we look at on
the earth, whether it's environmental or otherwise, that it's if
(50:56):
we are able to maintain this level of connection and
understand how we support each other through that it becomes
like a much more or less of a herculean task.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
So beautifully put. Yeah, No, yeah, I agreed. I was
going to say with one of the most emotional moments
I would say was when Hiroki, the Japanese activist who
is in that episode, was visiting Louisiana's Gulf Coast. I
got to go and like follow him in his visit
and seeing these LNG plans. He went on the boat
of a shrimper named Travis Dardar who's in our first episode,
(51:32):
and they're having this conversation and I don't know the
cabin I think that's what is called on boats, and
like immediately Travis is like, so you're here to help us,
and he's like, yeah, we're here to fight together, and
they just have this moment of talking about how they're
going to support each other on different ends of the country.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, and you do hear that just generally from people
who are on the ground. For like in movies when
there's a disaster, when there's a flood, a gang of
bank robbers comes in and robs the local bank with
I'm thinking of a very specific Christian Slater movie from
the early nineties. But people, generally, when bad happens, it's
(52:11):
like every man for himself. This gives us an excuse
to just like fuck each other over. And in reality,
you see people want to help each other a lot
of the time. That's the thing that gets cut out
of the accounts of like what happens in a catastrophe,
So like just down to that cellular level of like
(52:32):
people helping people. It just it feels like a way
that we kind of warp what's actually going on to
make it seem less hopeful at a time when I
feel like people do need the hope. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Absolutely, What would you say, what would you give us
as listeners people that are interested in the topic, as
like homework to better you know, help in this, you know,
because obviously there's so many things that we need to
be on top of to know about to inform our
But what is the best way that you know for
someone who's listening now realizing oh yeah, like oh, I've
(53:07):
definitely heard of liquified natural gas, but I didn't realize
it needs some serious attention. What are those steps? Like?
Is it just about seeing what kind of bills are
propping up like in your local legislation or local legislature
or organizations? What do you feel from doing this kind
of work and talking to these people is sort of
the way to get more everyday individual citizens to have
(53:28):
a level of awareness that feels like we can kind
of reach some kind of tipping point.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Well, I'd say number one, support the people who are
on the ground and are most affected by this issue.
And I can I can list off some group names.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
If sure, like yeah, and well even those yeah footnotes
will put that in our footnotes so people don't.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
Check that out linked in the footnotes. So that is
the Vessel Project that's based in southwest Louisiana and Lake Charles.
Another Lake Charles based group is or A Better Buy
You And then one based on Cameron is called fish
and it stands for fishermen. Oh god, now I pulled
a jack.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Can we go to a break? Yeah, just go to
a break.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
I find that it's always good to just cut to
a break, spend some time googling, come back, and still not.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Have But seriously, what was going on? Can I read
this thing from Food and Wine magazine the pre seasonal
launch of the milk chok okay, fine, fine, okay?
Speaker 4 (54:27):
I found fish. Fish is fishermen interested in saving our heritage.
So those are a couple of groups. And again going
back to that LNG pause too, there are going to
be opportunities for the public to comment during that process,
So stay out, look out for the Department of Energy website.
I'm sure everybody's watching that website. No, so maybe we
can pass along that link too.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Yeah, And I would say, you know, while you're eating
brunch or not choosing to eat brunch, talking about this
stuff with people, I think talking about anything that you
read about the is hopeful and spreading those stories, but
also being aware of like, hey, is this greenwashing this
thing that I'm hearing these like slick commercials. Maybe I
(55:10):
should do a little like research on my own and
find out.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
So people aren't just like everything's bad, You're just gonna
tell me everything's bad. What what are the good ones
that actually work? Wind solar? Just which are growing, which
are actually helpful? Is that would those be the ones
that we should suggest people invest time and energy into.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
Those are the ones that are growing like crazy right now.
And then there's a lot of other things on the
horizon that I think people are excited about. So, but
wind and solar are definitely like the two big industries
that are doing well for the shareholders and for and
for these countries that are are moving really quickly off
of fossil fuels.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Because at brunch I generally discuss the shareholder value. That's
kind of the main currency that we speak about.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, I brought you. I figured I feel anything that
has any value. And just quick counterpoint, Carly, but what
about the utility companies? If we're just making our own energy,
what but what happens to them? You should we care?
Speaker 3 (56:13):
I'm glad you have the concern for these utilities.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Sorry, I get an email every day from some lobbyists
I'm friends with who just asked me to say some
of this stuff on the show. For Get I get
discounts a chevron.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
But anyway, what we're saying, wasn't there a big thing
that just happened in California that like community solar, rooftop solar,
like a I don't know, y'all know that something was
just shot down because I think utilities do have so
much power that of course they don't want they want
to keep making money.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
So yeah, yep, yep, yeah, I mean they say it's
threatening some Joshua. There's all kinds of weird, bizarre stuff
about why solar is bad in California. But yes, no, sorry,
I'm sorry to the lobbyists. Again. I tried to get
that information into the show. Just didn't work out organically, folks.
We'll try next show, won't you think about the readers?
Speaker 2 (57:00):
You know?
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, thank you guys so much for
joining us. Carly Hallie, where can people find you? Guys?
Follow you, hear you all that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
Well, our podcast is called ce Change, that's Sea Change,
and you can listen to us wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 4 (57:17):
I was waiting for that.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
That line that's like kind of means something, I guess,
But you know you can listen to us at that
place that you do other places.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
And is there a work of media that you guys
have been enjoying.
Speaker 4 (57:34):
Can I name a movie?
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Oh, you have a movie, you can name a tweet,
you can do book, whatever, anything, anything.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
I just saw Challengers, one of the best movies of
my life.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
I think so amazing. It's that one is such a
I feel like it's kind of got the same feeling
of like what mad Max Fury Road had. When it
came out, people were like, yeah, I know about it,
but everyone's like, no, dude, you need to go see that.
It's it's it's really good and I'm glad. I did
shout out producer a Ena for putting the pressure for
me to watch it.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
I just finished this really good book called Charleston Race
Water in the Coming Storm and it's by Susan Crawford,
and it's super interesting about how Charleston, the development of Charleston,
and you know, speaking of like the wealthy living on
higher ground and where poor neighborhoods are located in terms
of kind of like rising seas. But it's a really
(58:26):
interesting look at like how the city of Charleston is
booming right now, and like, what's what's happening there with Yeah,
with a lot of climate climate impacts, So I recommend it.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
I'm assuming Yeah, oh yeah, yes, it's amazing. Miles. Where
can people find you? Is their working media? You've been
enjoying it?
Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yeah, find me Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Gray, pretty
much anywhere else they have at symbols, find Jack and
I in the Basketball podcast and mousing jacko mat boost Boosties.
You can find me talking about ninety day Fiance on
My Other twenty Day Fiance and also if you like
conspiracy theories, check me out on the latest episode of
My Mama Told Me with Langston Kerman and David Borie.
(59:08):
A work of media, I like, okay, you know what
I saw something that it was really funny. I used
to watch the every version of the Office that had
come out UK, American, et cetera. And this fan made
like edited together just clips of the Office to create
this like a twenty four esque psychological thriller where like
(59:31):
Dwight is in love with Kelly, and like Ryan becomes
the object of his like obsession to try and break
them up, and he's basically like a murderer it's fantastic,
Like someone in the comments on this Reddit post said,
Jordan Peele famously said, like, the only difference in comedy
and like thrillers is the is the score, and you know,
(59:52):
you play something a little bit more tense, everything can
have such a different feel to it. So I will
link to this fan made trailer of this like a
twenty four ask the Office thriller, because it's pretty amazing,
And I mean Office Watcher or not, it's just great editing,
great editing, amazing. Yeah, it is really worth watch.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Tweet I've been enjoying at W zero A zero I
zero f waif with zeros in between all the letters.
Tweeted not my meet gas inheriting the Earth.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
We have language you.
Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Can back around.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O Brian.
You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zai Guys.
Were at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a
Facebook fan page at a website Daily zei Guys dot
com where we post our episodes and our footnote. No,
we'll link off to the information that we talked about
in today's episode, as well as a song that we
think you might enjoy. Miles what's the song.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Okay, So, just in keeping with this like a twenty
four esque trailer, the person who edited put in like
this really amazing. I think it's a Hungarian rock band
called Omega. They have a track in there called The
translation is I believe Pearls in Her Hair. I'm not
okay if it was Hungarian, I believe it's gung Hai
(01:01:19):
yu Lan okay, don't yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
Thank you for the first time I everwhere I did
that different. But it's g G y O n g
y h A j U space l A n y.
Just go to the footnotes. But this is like one
of those dope sort.
Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Of like uh like acid rock songs that like from
like Eastern Europe that just has such like emotion to
it and truly brought this trailer to life. And I'm
sure a lot of people have heard this in other places.
But that's the song we're going to go out to,
Pearls in Her Hair by Omega.
Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
All right, well we will link off to that footnote.
Dailey's That Guy is a production by Heart Radio. For
more podcasts my Heart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app,
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Wherever you get your podcasts, that's going to do it
for us on this Tuesday morning. We are back this
afternoon to tell you what is trending and we will
(01:02:13):
talk to you all then. Bye bye,
Please help me understand what they're trying to say here.
This research indicates that gen Z and millennials plan to
celebrate celebrate Halloween by dressing up and planning for the
holiday about six point eight weeks beforehand. Well, six point
eight weeks from Memorial Day is the fourth of July,
so you still have plenty of time to latch onto
a pop culture trend and turn it into a creative costume.
(00:28):
Are they saying that we're dressing you.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Know, you're going to be giving the equivalent of congressional
testimony about a food. Ai Honk and Eminem's article.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Have any of you heard of a person who who
dresses up in six point eight weeks beforehand?
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well, we do like to dress up in New Orleans,
So people are planning their Marti Gras costumes for next year.
For sure.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
That is so much more like relevant though than like Halloween.
I feel like to the region, you know which, I
totally get that this.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
They just had a product launch, they needed a product launch.
They came up with this and then backed into the thing,
yeah with.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Some yeah, yeah, alright, Well I'm glad.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Sorry, Miles, we've like I've almost lost miles to this
press release. He's like not, I don't think he's coming back.
You guys, Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three
forty one, Episode two of Daly's I Guys production of iHeartRadio.
(01:36):
This is a podcast where we take a deep dab
into America share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, June fourth,
twenty twenty four. Six times four equals twenty four little
back of the let me just say brilliant.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
And you know we had a savant on our hands.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well I didn't even pronounce math correctly. That's what a
math savona I am?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
What did you call it?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I caught a back of the envelope map.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Oh it's still impressed.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, all right, Well guess what June fourth, it's National
Hug your Cat Day. I will definitely hug both of
my cats. It's also National Cheese Day, National Konyak Day,
and also a National Old Maid's Day. Feels I'm wondering
how regressive this is. Oh, it's just about recognize ladies
out there who never marry and remain childless. This is
(02:24):
who put regressive. Holy shit.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Tomorrow is gonna be National gap Day with those two
food ones. Yeah, apparently in nineteen forty eight, Marion Richards
of Jefferson Jeffersonville, Pennsylvania held the first Old Maid's Day gathering. Okay, wow,
at least.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
She's celebrating, no owning it.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
We're amazing.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Yeah, okay it is well for you, got your holidays,
enjoy where appropriate going.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
All right, Well, my name is Jack O'Brien aka lift
nodes more like lymph Yes, uh, that is courtesy the
Andrew bubb in reference to the fact that I was
admiring Miles's plumped up Yeah, exactly, fighting infection. Those things
were popping, fighting, fighting a cold. I'm thrilled to be
(03:18):
joined as always by my co host, mister Miles Grast.
Miles Gray.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Guess what these lyph nodes are popping? Aka? I have
some nasty noes, nasty. I have some nasty nose, nasty.
I have some nasty nose nasty. Shout out to nache
Wow track Song of the Summer nasty Uh, shout out
the best shout nest.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Quake on.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Miss Quike. Yeah right, shout out everybody down there in
os uh for that one. Shout up to the Tanase track.
What they were saying, Jack needs to be in the background,
like whining like in all the meme videos. Have you
seen that video? No, Jack, I gotta send it to you. Yeah, okay,
if I could, if you hit some of these days,
allow my assignment. Okay, m First, I'll send you the
requisite material to study the choreography, and then we'll get
(04:06):
back and we'll see if we can put something worth it.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, Miles, we are thrilled to be joined in our
third seat by the host of the fascinating podcast Sea Change,
which is produced by New Orleans and Batmanos Public Radio.
Please welcome to the show, Carlisle Calhoun and Hallie Parker.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Welcome, Welcome you, thank you, happy to be here.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Thank you so much for having us.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, of course, it's nice to have people who are
doing really good investigative podcasting, unlike us who are subjecting
you guys to trying to figure out a food and wine.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I was going to say, two peers in the world
of just doing important podcasting, groundbreaking podcasting. It's it's great
to be in the same room with some people who
I can just let my hair down and be like,
I'm with my people. We both get you know, we
both we both get it and are breaking new ground.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Yeah, I'm loving it in the space that you all
are providing here. So thank you. Well, I'm already thoroughly entertained.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Oh thank You're too kind, You're too kind. I don't
know if our names will ever be listed or mentioned
by anything with the word pullets are in front of it.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
We are.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
We are definitively associated with anything to do with the pulletzers.
They were like, we just wanted They issued a statement
just making sure that everybody with just for no purpose, Yeah,
just to just to be clear. We have nothing to
do with that show.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
F y.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
I nobody suggested we did, but we.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Just want to get we'll get ahead of it, get
ahead of any misunderstandings for sure. For sure.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
You guys are both in New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Yeah yeah, we're both based in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
How is New Orleans right now? This time? Here? Steamy
so put in a charming way, Yeah, drenched in history.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
That grown from holly kind of I said a lot
for me.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
It's the time of year where it's just air conditioning
all day. You get to see the sun outside. You
want to touch it, but you know you'll get burned.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
It's it's like the inverse of everywhere else, Like the
rest of the year. Everybody like looks at our zoom
backgrounds and they're like, where are you God, that looks amazing, Oh,
New Orleans in this summertime, it's just us being like
everybody else is like yay summer, and.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
We're like, yeah, just the deafening sound of insects, like
drowning in heat.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah. Yeah, the muggy or the place. I feel like,
the less enthusiasm from people who have to go through
it every year. They're like, Na, that's fine. I mean
I have to bring seven pairs of seven outfits with
me just to go outside for ten minutes exactly. Yeah,
I know that. I know that.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Plate air conditioning huh what a what an innovation.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
To get the one in my car? Fick, it's been
a year, guys. Oh, it's crazy being a newars.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
That is not okay. That is not okay.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
So are you just like driving eighty down in a
thirty five just to get the wind airflow, to.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Feel a breeze and also feel some life. Yeah, you just.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Feel a lot.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
When I had I had an all black car that
did not have air conditioning in the dry desert heat
of Los Angeles, and when I was in that phase
in the summer, I had no joke. I would have
a driving shirt I would wear because like, when I
get to my destination, I cannot look respectable stepping out
of the vehicle like this that I had. I had
him on deck.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
But that's actually genius. I mean, ideally I'll get my
act together and just get my but it's not. I
can make sure an outfit.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, they're great innovation.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
The way my problem solving works is especially at that time,
like is it gonna cost money? And I'm like, well,
what's the other thing I can do?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
You know? Money? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Under shirts?
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Yeah exactly, Oh man, the stay that would have grown
out of that thing.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Podcast about another existential threat to humanity scientifically.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Right, All right, Well, we're going to get to know
you guys a little bit better and talk about sea change.
But first we do like to get to know our
guests a little bit better by asking them what is
something from your search history that's revealing about who you are? Hallie,
do you want to start us off?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Oh man, I was taking a look at my search
history this morning, and all it reveals is that I
work way too much.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
So what shows up? What are the terms that give.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Us that I was looking up. I don't know if
you guys know LSU, right, yeah, familiar. So we're actually
working on a piece about LSU right now. We're looking
into some history, some archivists. So that was what my
search history was all about.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Man Halle, we're such nerds. I have something fun to share.
I am looking at my search history shows Well, we're
my husband and AMERICAN'SONRNY buying a house in New Orleans.
So I've been looking at flood maps. Oh yeah, the
show the elevation across the city. And also because I'm
working on an insurance episode, so I'm looking at the
(09:18):
elevation maps of all of southern Louisiana, which are not
very high. You don't see very big numbers of elevation
across southern Louisiana. So that is that is what my
my search history is, just a bunch of flood maps.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Right. Is there like a section where the wealthy have
identified as their bastion of safety, like how they have
in Miami And they're like, well, look, was it like
Liberty City.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
I feel like in the housing complex from Moonlight is
like one of the higher grounds in Miami, and things
have changed in terms of who's investing there and how
people are treating that property.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yes, I mean totally that the high ground, like the
highest ground is by the levees, so there are like
the wealthier neighborhoods are generally like the higher ground. Wow,
same thing.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
There was even like after a Hurricane Katrina, there was
this program called the green Dot program, and it was
like areas where there had been really intense flooding. Whoever
was making plans for post Katrina put like a green
dot over it, and it was supposed to kind of
be like nobody could rebuild there because it was below
sea level. But then you know, people fought back like, hey,
(10:29):
you can't tell me I can't live where I'm from,
And so that didn't didn't happen. But it's it is
wild how much elevation is now like changing where people
are living.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah. Absolutely, Wow, that's wild. You've already rubb in their
midst for that. That's the wild part too. You know,
obviously we're going to be talking about climate and things
like that, but people have the like logical intellectual understanding
that it's like, well, where I am is not going
to be good, so therefore I should go here where
I know it will be good. Now willing to divest
(11:01):
from this kind of thinking or you know, investing.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
No, no, yeah, no. And also just affordability plays into
it because I think that, you know, people are doing
their research and so it's going to be more competitive
to be in the places that aren't underground or you know,
right next to like a bunch of tinder in the
case of California.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, but are.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Those good places going to get so expensive.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
That yeah exactly, yeah, absolutely, yeah, and then just being
next to one of the bad places might have you
disqualified from being insured. As you know, there's entire zip
codes that are basically getting decued, which is difficult. So
is the LSU story related to climate change?
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Is it is?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Okay, we won't we won't try and scoop it. I'm
just like, I know LSU from sport from Shack and
Jill essentially an angel Rey. Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yes.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
The normal things people associate l SU with. We're looking
more at the environmentally.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
Oh we like that, yeah, investigation state, yes, interesting, see Jack,
we got to do stuff like you didn't put on
notice shack.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
See.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Do you think that the Pulitzer Center will help us
with the podcast?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
You know, I'm just connecting. I'm saying here a little
bit this food and wine article, I don't know how
to comprehend the data and what is being said there.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
I think a Pulitzer Center dot org holler at us too.
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
You're asking question.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Y'all are connecting though, y'all are connecting.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, yeah, what.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Is something you guys think is underrated?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Well I'll since hell he had to go first on
the other one, I'll go first.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I was I had like a serious answer and less
serious answer. So I was going to say, my serious
answer is journalism, because we all know people are losing
their jobs left and right, and the business that democracy
depends on is struggling. But I'll go with the less
serious answer and say, you know, when you get your
haircut and they give you like the head massage while
(13:19):
they're washing your hair, and it's like, that's really why
I'm there. Sure I need a haircut, but like I'm
really there for that head massage, and I want to
know beforehand is the person. Is a hairstyle, is a
good head massage? Are they going to like just go
too short? Are they going to give me the temple rub?
And they're like, I want to know, And I think
that should be I think it's underrated. I think it
(13:40):
should be discussed more.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I have stayed with hairstylists based on an initial head
rub that never came again, like just based on I'm like, oh,
but you know they know what they're doing. I'm like,
wasted all you, I've got you, You're hooked. Yeah, And
I have never heard of journalism, so I don't know
what that one's about.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
But this one, the haircut thing, how you Floyd's barber shop.
They were a little mechanized glove. I remember back when
I had hair to get cut there. I remember like
there was like a massage power glove sometimes the hairstylists
would wear. But to your point, Jack, there was this
Japanese dude named Peter. I would go to the way.
He would get my shoulders like I had never had.
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I had never been touched like this with such instant
relief in my life that I was like, is can
I just pay for that part? Because I don't care
about the hair, get.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
The shoulders in and had this.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Like technique where he would have his hands like this,
like with his fingers separated and then like chopped down
so you get this like clack clock cluck cluck.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
It was.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Yeah, anyway, I'm with that, And hairstylists, y'all should be
charging extra for that because guess what we'll pay for it,
those of us with hair Yeah, yeah, true.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
They had like an extra if you could like click
the like ten to twenty minute, like do you want
to pay.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
More for like yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. Yeah, I'm like,
let's just skip the haircut. Like do people ever go?
Do people indulge themselves and just go get their hair
washed and then leave?
Speaker 3 (15:08):
I mean I feel like my grandmother did.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, I think that was kind of a common thing.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I think.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, And I think we're all like people who run
cuddle parties will tell you that we're all like touchstars
in our modern world where we like don't really see
each other that often in person, that like there is
a market for just like going and you know, making
physical contact with another human being. So and I definitely
(15:35):
feel that when I'm getting a haircut. Oh right, God, this.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Is like I love you, They're like, what the sides?
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah? Absolutely, hally, how about you?
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah, I mean I feel like this is starting to
get more respect, But I really feel like more adults
without children should have kiddie pools, so.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Like a little inflatable one.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Mm hmm, a little inflatable one.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
I was speaking about that recently, Hallie. Maybe this is
a new orleance thing. But I saw like a photograph
somewhere of adults and a kitty pool, and I was like,
speaking of like the cheap the cheap fix. Well, I
can't put a pool in right, Yeah, I can go
to Walmart.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
And get.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
No, I'm about to adopt a little pit bull and
I'm so excited to get a kittie pool and just
swim around in there with her.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Yeah, what kind of like a red nose, a blue
nolt kind of pit mix mix? Okay, everything's a pit
I feel like, is that is that how it is
in like Louisiana too, Like so many Southern California dogs
are just by default pit mixes, basically.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
I don't know, that's a good question. There's definitely a
few at are at the rescue shell.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, positive, Yeah, there's a lot of rescue pits around.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, yeah, I agree the brain ending that comes with
those pools, like labeling them kiddie pools, like they could
just as easily be foot soaken pools. You know. Yeah,
a body cooler.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
We need to change the narrative about this.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, yeah, I think body cooler off the body, yeah,
body Maybe the little too serial killer ish to be like.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Hey, you guys, got.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
What you mean? Freezer in my garage? That's what I meant,
like a like a corygated steel, like just forget the
thing I said.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Hopefully that would have camped in the focus groups, you.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Know, right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
As a kid, I always wanted I wanted an El
Camino so bad because I thought that the back of
El Caminos was a pool that like I saw people
sitting in the back of them, and I'm like, in
my kid brain, I'm like, I would put a pool
back there. I bet there's pools in the back of Caino.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Somebody has to have done that, right, Yeah, people do
that in pickup trucks too.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
I've seen that.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, yeah, just.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I feel like I saw that on Shark Tank maybe
and I was like, see, yeah, that's an idea.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
As a pool rolls in it rolls in sharks, and
he's like in a pool. In the back of.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
This is seventy three El Camino, and it's also a pool.
I'm looking for a five hundred thousand dollars investment for
ten percent equity in the company I'm in.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah, and that's why I am not a shark. Yeah,
among many other reasons. What is something hally that you
think is overrated?
Speaker 4 (18:38):
You know, weirdly, even though I'm advocating for adult pitty pools,
Like we were just talking about summer's overrated to me
right now, don't need it? Just give us spring New
Orleans all year round?
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Is that the best time of year?
Speaker 4 (18:54):
I'd say, so, yeah, what do you think, Carly?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Anytime, but summer is the best time. But spring, like festivals,
it's fun, falls, beautiful.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I was in the.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Time of summer.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, it was really nice, really nice. And
I kind of did that thing where just by chance,
like I was walking through like the French Quarter and
there was like one of those ghosts tour. You know,
there's so many like tours like these are all the
ghosts of the French Quart or whatever, and like inadvertently
we were walking the same path, like we're kind of
taking the same walk, so, you know, past I didn't
want to feel like I was getting free information, but
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every time I turned around, the group was there, and
I had to be like, well, hold on, what's what
happened here?
Speaker 4 (19:31):
I've always wondered how easy it would be to do that.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, yeah, tour is good enough like that, that's that's
an occupational hazard. You're gonna be pulling people in like flame.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah, is that the best tour to take? Because I
feel like that is one of the most I feel
like so many tourists go there like you gotta see
like all the spooky shit New Orleans, Like that's really
what it's about. I'm like, I think there's a lot
of other stuff happening too, but yeah, go ahead, it's
so spooky. Maybe I was there in the fall too,
so it was that six point eight week going on
with the Halloween.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Halloween come and start coming back. There is a lot
of spooky stuff, but I would I would say that
there's there is more to New Orleans than the spooky ghosts,
but like it's a good tour, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Especially when you think about where the spookiness comes from
like it's all like tortured slaves and it's like, oh.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Yeah, but I guess want still drink kind of coming
back to it was like, oh, like so okay, you
know what, I'm going to go to Preservation Hall because
that's more of my father there.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
All right, I'm with you there, I'm with you, Carl.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
What about you? What's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (20:35):
I'm gonna make so many enemies here, but I'm gonna
have to say brunch brunch to me is overrated because
I'm hungry when I wake up and I'm like, I
gotta go to brunch. I can't eat now, I won't
be hungry for brunch. Then if I managed to make
it till brunch, brunch is great, all good, then I'm hungry,
like middle afternoon? What am I doing? Then it's like
(20:57):
Lenner like all of a sudden, my old days, like yeah, between.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Meals, two meal day, what's going on? Yes?
Speaker 3 (21:02):
And I'm not good with that. I was like feel
like I was promised three meals, you know, and so
now I'm getting two. And then restaurants charge more because
they're like it's brunch, and I'm like you're doing. It's
the same thing I got yesterday.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
No, these scrambled eggs are fourteen dollars.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
If you want to if you want to, say, like
let's go out and like drink while we're eating, Like
I'm down with that, just like you know, you.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Want to have a scott.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Yeah, let's just scumbag break breakfast at Denny's. We're gonna
drink some Soco in the parking lot and then you'll
have a Moon's over my Hammi at Denny's.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And then it's still expensive. We put a unch in
there instead of eckfast, So yeah, you gotta pay us.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Yeah yeah, sorry brunch people.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
No, but it is true. It is that that. It's
that psychological.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's that transitional space where you wake up and you're like,
I need eat breakfast, and then you're like, but I
also have to go to an overpriced brunch in like
two hours or something. So what do What am I
to do? Because I'm not gonna yeah, yeah, well you
know what to do? Yeah, I guess I'll just guess
I'll just nibble on one piece of plane toast, no butter,
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eating my eating the heel of the loaf.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Just yet, all right, well, we're going to take a
quick break and then we're going to come back and
we are going to talk about sea change.
Speaker 8 (22:23):
We will be right back and we are back. We
are back, and we are back.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
We are and we're back.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Hallie, Carlisle, Carlisle or Carly, what do you prefer?
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Well on on sea change? I'm Carlisle, but my friends
call me Carly, So please car Carly's great.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Are we are? We are we familiar? Oh?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
We we're on Carly terms all right.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Carly.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Familias. I like that you broke it and like New
Orleans prenology amazing. So your show is based out in
New Orleans, and I've heard you as mentioned that like
living on a coast, and particularly the coast of Louisiana
is kind of the front lines of global heating. And
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so I just wanted to he guys talk about kind
of what you see there that we might not be
seeing elsewhere right now, but might be a preview of
like where we're headed.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Oh, such a great question. I mean, when I was
thinking about this, what really stuck out in my mind.
I was here twenty twenty one Hurricane Ida came through,
and that was a storm that strengthened really fast, rapidly
intensified as we say, and then after it blew through,
it wasn't really like a rainstorm. It was more of
(23:52):
like a windstorm. It caused kind of damage, especially closer
to the coast.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
People.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I think we're out and out of power near the
coast for over three months for some people that were
really far down there. Yeah, it was crazy. But then
not only that we got by a hurricane, but then
immediately after that hurricane goes through, we then get hit
by a giant heat wave, and so people don't have power.
It's I didn't have power for a week, and I
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couldn't sleep because there was just this extreme heat going on.
And so for me, that's like the picture of what
climate change means and what we're facing. It's one hazard
after the other, you know, having to deal with all
of these different problems all at once.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yeah, And I mean that's just to just to keep
like the cheerfulness of what's coming for us all going
that the other thing.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Is a worst case scenario.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yet, I mean, seas are rising across the South and
across the Gulf faster than almost anywhere else in the world.
So already, so many people are having to move from
from where their families are, from where they live in
South Louisiana, and like across the southeast coast, you're starting
to see that too, with like more sunny day flooding
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and just like the seas are rising, and it means
houses on the outer banks in North Carolina are falling
into the ocean, and it means that people have who
have lived for generations in Southern Louisiana are having to
think or already having to move. And it's pretty intense.
And that is like that is around the world. Seas
(25:29):
are rising, So it is definitely something that's going to
change like what our coastlines look like and where people
can live, I think, pretty like faster than we're planning for.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
For sure, right yeah, right, It's one of those things
that is already happening. But we it feels like the
mainstream kind of consciousness, like that's kind of what we
chart on our show, And it feels like people have
a fairly easy time blocking out when it's happening to
other people as long as it's not happening to them
(26:01):
or possibly like to their neighbor, than.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
They're such a shame. What's happening there. Yeah, like that's
sort of the level of Earth. And yeah, I mean,
I'm really I mean I think about just the what
the NOAA was saying about this season's hurricane season and
how they're like, this could be one of the worst
ones we've seen in a long time in terms of
like the some like potentially twenty eight named storm systems
(26:27):
in this season and that's a huge uptick. And the
other part that was really to your point about these
sort of like compounding natural disaster events, is like FEMA
and other disaster relief agencies can only handle so much
that if you have like storm after storm and then
God forbid another thing over in this part, supply chains
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get strained, and we truly are looking at a thing
where like they'll be like, there's there's literally so much
going on, we can actually not really do anything right now.
We're spread so thin. And I think that's another real
dimension of like sort of like the bureaucratic part of
it too, that you I think people always presume they're like, no,
they're there, they'll be okay, they'll be ready for this,
where even for the experts who deal with this or
(27:08):
saying this, like we're trying to figure out how we
can even like simulate how we wrap our heads around
multiple storms hitting multiple places with you know, the kinds
of devastation that require our assistance. And yeah, it is
definitely we are going to begin really seeing it in
a way that we're going to be even harder to deny.
I mean, I think people who live in these areas
(27:28):
already see it, but yeah, we're definitely the messages are
there that we need to do something about it, which
is why liquid natural gas kind of comes into it.
And the whole impetus for this is to talk about
the expansion of liquid natural gas or I guess we
shouldn't even that's like eupham, that's like a euphemistic term.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I mean it's natural. So I feel like we're good here,
Like yeah, yeah, natural right. I do like worked on me,
like when they first were like, well, guys, we're like
moving over to natural gas, and oh that shit is natural.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
That's nice.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, and we see it on our buses and like
Los Angeles, Y're like, oh, all, like either it's CNG
or LNG and you're like, don't worry, this is this
is cleaner now because it's operating that and you have
these like subtle messages around you that reinforce the sort
of like non threatening nature of this of natural gas.
But yeah, what what is it? What should we be
(28:27):
first of all, what should we be calling it so
we can use the right terminology when we sort of
think about when we get all these stories hitting us,
like what should we be calling like liquid natural gas
if you want to honor what it actually is.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
It's something Hallie and I talked about a lot as
we were writing this series, because everybody knows it is
natural gas. So like us all of a sudden just
using another term, people be like, what are you talking about?
I'm already first of all, you're already trying to tell
me about liquified natural gas. Now you're now you're talking
about some other term I've never heard about, right, So,
I mean, we did call it natural gas in our
(28:59):
in our series because that's what we all know it as.
But I mean a lot of experts are saying we
should be calling it methane gas or fracked gas because
we get it from fracking, which explains yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Fraggy juice.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
But it's mostly it's mostly methane. Natural gas is mostly
made up of methane, which is like, in the short term,
way worse for our climate than carbon dioxide. So we've
all been like talking about, you know, carbon emissions in
this kind of thing, which is like really a serious issue,
we should be concerned about that, But methane in the
short term, it's like I had a scientist described it
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to me as like carbon dioxide is like wrapping the
world in a blanket. Methane is like wrapping the world
in eighty blankets. Like it's eighty times more potent at
heating up our climate in the near term.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
So when at least it's bad.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You know, I thought it was good, like eighty percent,
Like if you had told me, guys, it's only eighty
percent is bad, I would have been like, damn, like
they lied to us. But eighty times worse is yeah,
so wild that I can't believe it.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
What are sort of the benefits that have Like when
you see a municipality be like we're going to change
our entire bus suite to LNG or whatever, what what
for them? When they're like it's better, what's like the
very tenuous data or argument they're holding on to to
be able to say that out loud in public and
not get laughed at.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Yeah, so, like very simply, methane does burn cleaner than
like regular gas clean or something like that. But that's
only when it's burnt, like when it's actually being burnt
by those buses, that it is cleaner. But the whole
life cycle, you know, happen to get it up out
of the ground, all of the gas that goes out,
transporting it, all of those different pieces. Yeah, you add
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that all up, and it's not yet the leaks.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Right, it's not good.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
You know. We hear from climate scientists like that. There's
been a number of like reports where they're like, guys,
it's going going hotter faster than we expected in our
some of our worst case projections. But I've not heard
it connected to liquid natural gas until your show that,
(31:13):
Like that's one of the theories as to how we're
we're getting there, how it's getting so much hotter, so
much faster. So that's just I wanted to make sure
that we made that connection too right.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And what kind of kicked off the LNG boom, like
is was it like a green washing thing where the
emphasis on oil created like a lane for like LNG
to move in the shadows because everyone's so focused on oil,
or was there like a pr moment where proponents were like, Okay,
we can claim that this gas is different, let's do that.
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What sort of like what what were the what were
the building blocks to kind of get us to this point.
Now we're like, y'all, we are absolutely destroying our planet
like that one of the worst ways possible, and we're
barely even talking about that dimension of it.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
I mean, what really kicked this off was like, don't
remember the fracking boom, Like it was really took off
like under Obama's time, where like the technology for fracking
got so good that all of a sudden, these oil
and gas companies like out in West Texas and New
Mexico and like the areas where there has been a
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ton of fracking, like they got so good at it
that there was a surplus right of all this natural
gas and they're like, okay, we can only sell so
much of it domestically, where are we going to sell
all this stuff? And we went at that time like
there were the first correct me if I'm wrong on
this alley, but I think the first LNG terminal on
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the on the Gulf Coast was for bringing it was
for importing LNG because at that point we didn't have
that much. And then it goes, you know, in a
few years and went from that import terminal becoming an
export terminal, and then all of these plans for all
of these this rollout of the like this huge expansion
of LNG export terminals because we've just have that much
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natural gas that you know, the industry is like, well,
let's sell it, let's lipify it, ship it everywhere else
and sell it overseas. Yeah, and we know that natural
gas well mm hmm. I was about to saying, we
know natural gas is cleaner than coal, but you know,
again that's like a big question mark. Not necessarily, but
that was at least the argument that was grasped by
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the pr agencies, by the oil and gas industries that
they promoted that gas is cleaner, right, Gas is the
cleanest fossil fuel. And so when you make people think that,
they're like, oh, aren't we already doing the cleanest that
we can do?
Speaker 1 (33:33):
You know, right? Right? And would I be correct in
assuming that when Republicans and some Democrats tout the benefits
of LNG expansion, like new jobs, increased revenues for the community.
The opposite is happening, is that is that?
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Is that correct?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I mean, like it sounds like locals are not benefiting
and the environment is absolutely taking an absolute kick in
the teeth because of it. But I don't know, maybe
there's maybe these people that live in these areas are
shareholders because those people seem to be getting value. So
maybe the a lot of the shareholders for these companies
live along in the Golf coast or this is all
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just pr spin.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
That's a really good question. I think like they're for
sure supporters on the ground in these communities because there
are some jobs the whole Like you know, how many
jobs are construction jobs so around just during the construction,
and then how many are permanent and how many jobs
are actually in are the people in the community getting
(34:32):
those jobs? Like all of that, it gets a little
more nebulous of like how many jobs are really how
many good jobs are really? You know, is are these
new export terminals providing? But like on the other side
of it, for sure, the impacts of the environment are crazy.
I mean, the amount of pollution that these communities are
having to live with are pretty extreme. So like yes,
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there are some benefits, but do they outweigh the other
and then also out where so these are getting right yeah,
and then a lot of these companies are getting massive
tax breaks as well, so how much money is coming
to these communities. So there are a lot of questions
like that.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
But the share but the shareholders, right, they are winning.
The shareholders are winning.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Shareholders are doing gang bus.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Okay, oh thank god, Okay, I was worried. I told you, Jack,
they seemed to stay winning. It turns out shareholders yeah, yeah,
and yeah, I I like there there's a recent I
forget which episode it was, but just talking talking about
how as long as it remains business as usual, they're
going to keep finding ways to do this. Like the
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natural gas starts as this like buzz term that's like
this is the future of energy and like it's cleaner
and it's a bridge fuel to like a cleaner tomorrow.
And then it becomes ensconced and like you know, the
second that something is making money, it becomes more powerful.
And it brings me back to this, Like I remember
(35:58):
an article in the Wall Street Journal, all those talking
about how DEI and like environmental justice initiatives like were
like they were, like, you know, these once had momentum,
but now they're a bad word on Wall Street because
they've been like determined to be less profitable. And it
just it feels like the way the system is set up,
(36:22):
like you really can't use the logic the internal mechanisms
of like hypercapitalism to fix this. It feels like it
has to take into account that they are going to
find a way to keep things the way they're going
for as long as possible, Like they're going to go
(36:43):
down kicking and screaming. But I don't know what, like
does does that seem true to you? Do you? Like
you guys do a good job of highlighting things that
make you hopeful? Are there examples that kind of contradict
that of where people you know, where BP is like
investing in clean energy in the future or something, you know,
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like what just how do you guys think about that
big question? Jack? I know, like the role Yeah, just
like specifically the ability of like entrenched power to ever
be like part of the solution.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
I feel like, and Carly, I'm so curious about what
you think here too, Like you know, I don't I'm
not sure if you guys are familiar or if your
listeners are familiar with the IPCC report. It's a giant
international report that's basically a collection of all of the
latest and greatest climate science that's summarized by you know,
all the big climate scientists out there working together on it.
(37:42):
And when you look at those projections, they always have
this one option that's business as usual. And so that's
of like we kept doing the same thing that we're
still doing, still rule our society the same way that
if you look at those projections. Obviously this is audio,
so I have to explain my hand gesture here. The graph,
the temperature graph just keeps going up. It's just an
(38:04):
exponential graph to the top where our planet just kind
of burns up. And I think that that says that
we should not continue business as usually. We need to
find other ways to do our business.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Okay, so your anti planet burning up? Okay, interesting, that's
your opinion.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Yeah, not going to come in with the counterpoid to that,
but but I am going to bring in the hope
that I think you are looking for, Jack, which is
like renewables are also doing gangbusters, and like we the
solar installations and wind capacity that we're adding every year
is like we're doing better than expected, and so like
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renewables are taking off, they're getting everybody knows, they're also
getting cheaper. They're becoming the cheaper option. And so yes,
entrenched power. An entrenched industry is really hard to like
dislodge from their place of power. Of course, they want
to keep doing business as usual. But when the market
keeps saying, yeah, but this is so much cheaper and
(39:08):
better for the planet, then there's only so long you
can you can fight that. So, I mean, that's really hopeful.
It's just how much renewable energy is taking off around
the world.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, just to bash capitalism a little bit more though there.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
And then right after that, Carly with a counterpoint.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Last year, I was talking to this like retired like
longtime environmental lawyer, and he I don't know if I
have heard of the rights of nature movement. It's basically
this like push by different indigenous groups to be able
to steward these different pieces of nature and give them
their own rights, almost as a person, like a river
could be have the same protective rights as a person.
(39:50):
And that's actually moving forward in South American countries. That's
moving forward. It's actually been ingrained in a Latin American
country's constitution, and it's moving forward in places like Europe,
areas that are more socialist. That moves forward. And when
I was asking him like, is there any hope can
we get that done here in the US, He's like,
I mean we could, but capitalism, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
It's like how many guillotines you got? Counterpoint, that's ridiculous.
The only thing that should have the rights of people
is corporate corporations yea burnt Yeah, yeah, sorry, I could
tell you. Yeah, No, I mean there there was successful
(40:35):
legislation in Where was it it was in a US state?
I want to say Minnesota maybe, but where like a
group of kids basically and keep it. I don't know
enough to finish the sentence. Minnesota Timberwolves or something. I
was thinking of the Minnesota Timberwolves. You had a good
(40:57):
run in the NBA playoffs.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I'm sorry, Yeah, give me the kids lawsuit.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
Like the kids, Yes, that's the one I was thinking of.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
Yeah, searing companies for our future?
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
A question like, oh, y, all right, let's take a break.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
All right, let's uh, let's take a quick break and
we will be right back and we're back. We're back, Miles.
I cut you off to go to the break so
that I could try and google the thing that I
(41:33):
was talking about, and I was so off base I
didn't I couldn't even be like, yes.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
The Rudy Go Bear trial. Oh no, that's the Timberwolves again. Yeah,
I know that. You know, you know, with an election year,
there's always like.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Some montage damn it.
Speaker 9 (41:51):
Sorry, oh yeah that was way that was a few
months ago. Yeah, yeah, okay, Hey, it was a damnated Stana. Yeah,
Montana Jack because Montana Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
Yeah, fact checking love.
Speaker 3 (42:04):
It because I thought you were going with the rights
of nature thing, because I think in Minnesota there was
a tribe that got the rights to a kind of
wild rice. So it's just kind of wild rice. Yeah,
has the same rights as the person. So that's probably
what you were thinking about.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Absolutely not we also, yeah, I think you can whatever
the smartest version in your brain is, like, that's probably
the ones.
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Most nuanced smart Yeah, answer was that that's what I
was thinking. But I was saying, you know, in an
election year, there's always there's all like energy always becomes
a focal point. And whether it was like Biden initially
being like are you with fracking?
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Are you against fracking?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
And some people being like, we've seen what fracking does
to our state, Like this always ends up being something
that has to get uttered on a debate stage. And
I was curious that earlier this year, you know, there
was a there's an export ban on LNG and I've
seen I've seen a lot of think pieces from like
you know, financial sector, like Wall Street journal types and
(43:06):
Fox newsplaces like this is actually going to be this
is going to doom our economy. But from an environmental standpoint,
how do you look at this LNG band that's it's positive,
it's is it? How how far is it going? Because
in like knowing what I know from listening to your
show and just how dire the situation is with liquified
natural gas. Hearing that there is a band, I'm like, oh,
(43:30):
that sounds like progressive, but what how is that viewed as?
How's that viewed from like, you know, the people that
are really in the trenches when it comes to this
battle with the expansion of energy.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Well I'll start so so yeah, I'll just start off.
So like the Biden It's it's really more it's like
a pause, So we are still exporting the heck out
of LNG right now, like oh okay, that is going
up and up so that we have more export terminals.
There's still many in the process of being built. So
it didn't do any thing to what we're exporting now
(44:02):
and what we will continue to export as more of
these export terminals come online. But what this pause did
was say, before we give the green light to all
these other ones that are you know, waiting in the wings. Yeah,
oh okay, so they're all waiting to get the green light,
they're going to say, well, actually, why don't we think
about what are the climate implications and your point about
(44:23):
like election year and like prices that impact all of us.
What does exporting energy due to America's energy prices? So
the pause is just like, we're going to look at
all this information and then we'll decide should we keep
expanding energy?
Speaker 1 (44:38):
So I see, Yeah, but worded very cleverly to give
the feeling that it's like we've we've shut the spigots off, folks,
not a not a drop more. But I get it.
Like anything. I mean, so many of the like recent
decisions have been something of like and we're going to
check in on the state of coal energy in like
eight years or after the Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
But how do you want to like, do you want
to bring up the whole price like what we found
out in our reporting with like LNG and how it
does affect.
Speaker 4 (45:10):
Yeah, yeah, I can talk about that. I was also
going to mention what the LNG pause that people on
the ground, like environmental justice activists that have been working
against these plans for a while are were, This was
like a huge major stuff. They were about to go
like bang down the doors of the Biden administration Department
Energy and like sit down in their building and not
(45:30):
leave until they gave them what they wanted. So for them,
this was like a huge step forward. But also, yeah,
even beyond those activists, there's actually a giant group of different,
i don't know, different types of industries once that you
wouldn't even necessarily think would care about LNG or be
anti shipping gas everywhere. And that's because the more gas
(45:52):
that we ship out, the more pressure it actually puts
on our own economy. And so when you see your
natural gas maybe your eating bills going up, that could
be the result of how much gas we're sending out
because we're opening ourselves up to this larger market. I
don't know if that explanation made sense. That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
It's a lot more volatile, and like, yeah, it's also
a supply and demand, like we're sending our supply elsewhere.
We're not just giving it all here for us where
it's like, oh, we've got this glut, so like our
prices are going to go down when we're sending it
to other countries who will pay a lot more for
it than it's making the price.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Go up, right, Yeah. And then because I'm sure the
Ukrainian invasion also was a huge help to American natural
I remember that was like a thing that felt like
we weren't talking enough about at the time. But I remember,
like for a second, they're like, Russia could make Europe
cold by turning off the gas. And then like you'd
see sometimes like America has a lot of LG to
(46:51):
help people out over there, and you're like, oh great now,
rather than like arms shipments, were like, hey man, we
got this other thing you can buy that's already obstructive
to your house.
Speaker 4 (47:00):
Yeah, they go yeah, And it's crazy because that's still
an argument that the gas industry is making even now
two years later.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, they know how to push our buttons or push
the New York Times as buttons, I guess. So I
do feel like there is things I've heard in the
show that just generally, like people who go in depth
on a problem like this, you guys know all the
ways that it's really bad and troubling. Like there's a
(47:33):
whole insurance aspect to this, with like people not being
able to buy home insurance anymore because of you know,
just how bleak the outlook is for the climate or
the specific locations where they are that is already happening.
But so you know, like the details of how it's bad,
But I feel like you also get a look at
(47:53):
like people coming together to like make changes and like
create things that could give us hope. And I was
just wanting to like spend the last section of the
show just talking about what you guys have seen in
that respect of people kind of coming together and fighting
for each other and the future of the planet.
Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yeah, I'll start with just like this episode that Hallie
recorded with activists from around the world that was after
our LNG series, and she spoke to activists in Japan
and Germany and across the Gulf Coast, and it was
really inspiring to hear how people are coming together from
you know, other countries and building and building an alliance
(48:38):
of saying like, okay, we're seeing these impacts here too,
you're seeing them there. A lot of them have come
to the US to see, like because we're ground zero
where this is where it's all coming from, to kind
of draw the connections, and a lot of them, you know,
they're finding hope in their work and they're like the
last thing anybody should do is you know, we don't
have time for any of us to get to depress
(49:00):
about this and just go like hide in a hole,
like there's work to be done to save our planet.
And so they were, you know, forming bonds around that,
and like each one of them was finding hope in
the fact that like you find the pockets where things
are getting better and renewable energy is taking off, and
like you know, there is this pause on just like
willy nilly expanding without thinking about you know, the ramifications, right,
(49:24):
So like people are finding the winds where they can.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Yeah, and are the question of whether they'll be enough
like that, just finding the winds and then like if
we can magnify those just to talk about the winds,
then you know there there can be momentum there. But
it does feel like you need to go kind of
small to local reporting to find to find out that
(49:49):
much about whatever right he's doing.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
Because we're so used to seeing things at such a
macro level where it's like, yeah, this industry is doing
this and they're doing great, and some people try to
push back and it's not working. But then I was
listening to that episode with all that the activists on
the ground, and it was interesting how they all saw
how what their respective country's role is in this sort
of like mechanism of LNG expansion where I think Maluki
(50:12):
was the name of the Japanese guy. He was saying,
you know, obviously Japan is a huge investor, like the
institutional investment comes from Japanese banks, and then the German
guys like we're the biggest consumer of it, and understanding that,
like for the Japanese activists, like they're having to put
pressure like on the institutional banks to understand like what
exactly is happening and how those roles are different. But
(50:34):
because of the coordination, they're feeling like Oh yeah, we're
we're find like we're seeing what every how everything works.
But it's about that. I mean, it's really solidarity and
that that level of commitment and collaboration that gives them
the hope. And I think that just seems to be
the message across many crisis crises we look at on
the earth, whether it's environmental or otherwise, that it's if
(50:56):
we are able to maintain this level of connection and
understand how we support each other through that it becomes
like a much more or less of a herculean task.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
Yeah, that was.
Speaker 4 (51:08):
So beautifully put. Yeah, No, yeah, I agreed. I was
going to say with one of the most emotional moments
I would say was when Hiroki, the Japanese activist who
is in that episode, was visiting Louisiana's Gulf Coast. I
got to go and like follow him in his visit
and seeing these LNG plans. He went on the boat
of a shrimper named Travis Dardar who's in our first episode,
(51:32):
and they're having this conversation and I don't know the
cabin I think that's what is called on boats, and
like immediately Travis is like, so you're here to help us,
and he's like, yeah, we're here to fight together, and
they just have this moment of talking about how they're
going to support each other on different ends of the country.
Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, and you do hear that just generally from people
who are on the ground. For like in movies when
there's a disaster, when there's a flood, a gang of
bank robbers comes in and robs the local bank with
I'm thinking of a very specific Christian Slater movie from
the early nineties. But people, generally, when bad happens, it's
(52:11):
like every man for himself. This gives us an excuse
to just like fuck each other over. And in reality,
you see people want to help each other a lot
of the time. That's the thing that gets cut out
of the accounts of like what happens in a catastrophe,
So like just down to that cellular level of like
(52:32):
people helping people. It just it feels like a way
that we kind of warp what's actually going on to
make it seem less hopeful at a time when I
feel like people do need the hope. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Absolutely, What would you say, what would you give us
as listeners people that are interested in the topic, as
like homework to better you know, help in this, you know,
because obviously there's so many things that we need to
be on top of to know about to inform our
But what is the best way that you know for
someone who's listening now realizing oh yeah, like oh, I've
(53:07):
definitely heard of liquified natural gas, but I didn't realize
it needs some serious attention. What are those steps? Like?
Is it just about seeing what kind of bills are
propping up like in your local legislation or local legislature
or organizations? What do you feel from doing this kind
of work and talking to these people is sort of
the way to get more everyday individual citizens to have
(53:28):
a level of awareness that feels like we can kind
of reach some kind of tipping point.
Speaker 4 (53:31):
Well, I'd say number one, support the people who are
on the ground and are most affected by this issue.
And I can I can list off some group names.
Speaker 1 (53:41):
If sure, like yeah, and well even those yeah footnotes
will put that in our footnotes so people don't.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
Check that out linked in the footnotes. So that is
the Vessel Project that's based in southwest Louisiana and Lake Charles.
Another Lake Charles based group is or A Better Buy
You And then one based on Cameron is called fish
and it stands for fishermen. Oh god, now I pulled
a jack.
Speaker 3 (54:09):
Can we go to a break? Yeah, just go to
a break.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
I find that it's always good to just cut to
a break, spend some time googling, come back, and still not.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
Have But seriously, what was going on? Can I read
this thing from Food and Wine magazine the pre seasonal
launch of the milk chok okay, fine, fine, okay?
Speaker 4 (54:27):
I found fish. Fish is fishermen interested in saving our heritage.
So those are a couple of groups. And again going
back to that LNG pause too, there are going to
be opportunities for the public to comment during that process,
So stay out, look out for the Department of Energy website.
I'm sure everybody's watching that website. No, so maybe we
can pass along that link too.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3 (54:49):
Yeah, And I would say, you know, while you're eating
brunch or not choosing to eat brunch, talking about this
stuff with people, I think talking about anything that you
read about the is hopeful and spreading those stories, but
also being aware of like, hey, is this greenwashing this
thing that I'm hearing these like slick commercials. Maybe I
(55:10):
should do a little like research on my own and
find out.
Speaker 2 (55:13):
So people aren't just like everything's bad, You're just gonna
tell me everything's bad. What what are the good ones
that actually work? Wind solar? Just which are growing, which
are actually helpful? Is that would those be the ones
that we should suggest people invest time and energy into.
Speaker 3 (55:33):
Those are the ones that are growing like crazy right now.
And then there's a lot of other things on the
horizon that I think people are excited about. So, but
wind and solar are definitely like the two big industries
that are doing well for the shareholders and for and
for these countries that are are moving really quickly off
of fossil fuels.
Speaker 2 (55:52):
Because at brunch I generally discuss the shareholder value. That's
kind of the main currency that we speak about.
Speaker 1 (56:00):
Yeah, I brought you. I figured I feel anything that
has any value. And just quick counterpoint, Carly, but what
about the utility companies? If we're just making our own energy,
what but what happens to them? You should we care?
Speaker 3 (56:13):
I'm glad you have the concern for these utilities.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (56:16):
Sorry, I get an email every day from some lobbyists
I'm friends with who just asked me to say some
of this stuff on the show. For Get I get
discounts a chevron.
Speaker 3 (56:25):
But anyway, what we're saying, wasn't there a big thing
that just happened in California that like community solar, rooftop solar,
like a I don't know, y'all know that something was
just shot down because I think utilities do have so
much power that of course they don't want they want
to keep making money.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
So yeah, yep, yep, yeah, I mean they say it's
threatening some Joshua. There's all kinds of weird, bizarre stuff
about why solar is bad in California. But yes, no, sorry,
I'm sorry to the lobbyists. Again. I tried to get
that information into the show. Just didn't work out organically, folks.
We'll try next show, won't you think about the readers?
Speaker 2 (57:00):
You know?
Speaker 1 (57:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, thank you guys so much for
joining us. Carly Hallie, where can people find you? Guys?
Follow you, hear you all that good stuff.
Speaker 3 (57:09):
Well, our podcast is called ce Change, that's Sea Change,
and you can listen to us wherever you get your podcasts.
Speaker 4 (57:17):
I was waiting for that.
Speaker 3 (57:19):
That line that's like kind of means something, I guess,
But you know you can listen to us at that
place that you do other places.
Speaker 2 (57:30):
And is there a work of media that you guys
have been enjoying.
Speaker 4 (57:34):
Can I name a movie?
Speaker 2 (57:35):
Oh, you have a movie, you can name a tweet,
you can do book, whatever, anything, anything.
Speaker 4 (57:39):
I just saw Challengers, one of the best movies of
my life.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
I think so amazing. It's that one is such a
I feel like it's kind of got the same feeling
of like what mad Max Fury Road had. When it
came out, people were like, yeah, I know about it,
but everyone's like, no, dude, you need to go see that.
It's it's it's really good and I'm glad. I did
shout out producer a Ena for putting the pressure for
me to watch it.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Well.
Speaker 3 (58:04):
I just finished this really good book called Charleston Race
Water in the Coming Storm and it's by Susan Crawford,
and it's super interesting about how Charleston, the development of Charleston,
and you know, speaking of like the wealthy living on
higher ground and where poor neighborhoods are located in terms
of kind of like rising seas. But it's a really
(58:26):
interesting look at like how the city of Charleston is
booming right now, and like, what's what's happening there with Yeah,
with a lot of climate climate impacts, So I recommend it.
Speaker 2 (58:39):
I'm assuming Yeah, oh yeah, yes, it's amazing. Miles. Where
can people find you? Is their working media? You've been
enjoying it?
Speaker 1 (58:47):
Yeah, find me Twitter, Instagram, at Miles of Gray, pretty
much anywhere else they have at symbols, find Jack and
I in the Basketball podcast and mousing jacko mat boost Boosties.
You can find me talking about ninety day Fiance on
My Other twenty Day Fiance and also if you like
conspiracy theories, check me out on the latest episode of
My Mama Told Me with Langston Kerman and David Borie.
(59:08):
A work of media, I like, okay, you know what
I saw something that it was really funny. I used
to watch the every version of the Office that had
come out UK, American, et cetera. And this fan made
like edited together just clips of the Office to create
this like a twenty four esque psychological thriller where like
(59:31):
Dwight is in love with Kelly, and like Ryan becomes
the object of his like obsession to try and break
them up, and he's basically like a murderer it's fantastic,
Like someone in the comments on this Reddit post said,
Jordan Peele famously said, like, the only difference in comedy
and like thrillers is the is the score, and you know,
(59:52):
you play something a little bit more tense, everything can
have such a different feel to it. So I will
link to this fan made trailer of this like a
twenty four ask the Office thriller, because it's pretty amazing,
And I mean Office Watcher or not, it's just great editing,
great editing, amazing. Yeah, it is really worth watch.
Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
Tweet I've been enjoying at W zero A zero I
zero f waif with zeros in between all the letters.
Tweeted not my meet gas inheriting the Earth.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
Very good.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
We have language you.
Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
Can back around.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O Brian.
You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zai Guys.
Were at the Daily Zeitgeist on Instagram. We have a
Facebook fan page at a website Daily zei Guys dot
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we'll link off to the information that we talked about
in today's episode, as well as a song that we
think you might enjoy. Miles what's the song.
Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Okay, So, just in keeping with this like a twenty
four esque trailer, the person who edited put in like
this really amazing. I think it's a Hungarian rock band
called Omega. They have a track in there called The
translation is I believe Pearls in Her Hair. I'm not
okay if it was Hungarian, I believe it's gung Hai
(01:01:19):
yu Lan okay, don't yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
Thank you for the first time I everwhere I did
that different. But it's g G y O n g
y h A j U space l A n y.
Just go to the footnotes. But this is like one
of those dope sort.
Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Of like uh like acid rock songs that like from
like Eastern Europe that just has such like emotion to
it and truly brought this trailer to life. And I'm
sure a lot of people have heard this in other places.
But that's the song we're going to go out to,
Pearls in Her Hair by Omega.
Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
All right, well we will link off to that footnote.
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