Jeremy Corbell | UAP, Disclosure and Filmmaking (RE-RELEASE)

Jeremy Corbell, an acclaimed investigative filmmaker known for his deep dives into the world of the unexplained and extraordinary. Jeremy takes us on a journey through his experiences in documenting and unraveling UFO phenomena and other mysteries that lie on the fringes of science and understanding. He shares fascinating stories from his investigations, discussing how he approaches the challenge of seeking truth in a realm filled with skepticism and secrecy. Listeners will get an inside look at his most intriguing projects, including insights into his interviews with key figures in the UFO research community. This episode is not only a treat for enthusiasts of the unexplained but also an eye-opener for skeptics, as Jeremy Corbell invites us to question our understanding of reality and embrace the unknown.

 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Listener discretion is advised. Mike E.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Pain, Are you in Burbank? Why do you know that
it's behind you? Oh my, that's exactly where you are. Yeah,
I'm training to be a mentalist.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know. Have you seen that one guy, the Oz
the mentalist and don't give you do with doctor Oz.
It's the other Os and not not that Oz either.
His shit is insane, though, I mean it's it's super impressive.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I assume he's like some kind of magician that has
done a ton of practice and you know this guys magic.
I don't think magic is real. Maybe it kind of is,
in like the certain.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Magic is real that I don't think. What do you mean,
like as if there's a small chance that there's like
one or two guys who just have some secret ability
who are making cards literally disappear.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Have you heard about the UFO that when you go
inside of it on the outside it's forty feet in
diameter and when you go inside it's the size of
a football field.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
I have heard about that. I saw on Reddit. What's
the what's the whole thing with that? Again?

Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's it's magic.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
That's well, I mean that that is if that's true,
it is magic?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Or is it science that we don't understand yet? Though?

Speaker 2 (01:36):
As the thing it I mean yeah, probably space time you.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Go back to caveman days and show them how we're
even recording this thing with our iPhones and MacBooks, they
would think that's magic because it, I mean it is.
Are we talking about these guys are trying to start
fires and we're over here goofing off on five g
E lt or whatever. We're back to aliens because that's

(02:01):
what we're gonna be talking about today. You know, I
made a podcast called High Strange, and some of you
who are listening right now you know that because that's
why you're here. But it's an eight part series on
just the entire UFO phenomenon and just trying to poke
at what the hell is really going on and taking

(02:21):
a real objective approach to it, because if you whittle
it down, something is going on. And if it isn't,
then that's also a story too, because there's this too
much weird shit that we can't explain yet. Between you
and me, we both believe in UFOs, right like, I mean,
what's your what's your basic stance here?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
You think I've believed in UFOs for a long time.
I mean the Pentagon believes in UFOs. It's not a
secret anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Okay, UFOs, you know, we call them UAPs now, which
is a way way lamer name. You know, UFO had
a nice little ring to it. But you know, yeah,
ufo are obviously real because they're unidentified flying objects. So
anything you see in the sky that you can't identify,
that's a UFO. But when I say UFOs are obviously real,

(03:10):
I mean that there are things in the sky that
we've seen that aren't necessarily just weird refractions of light
or camera settings or goofy data, you know, real physical
things or nominally is in the sky that our best
pilots and our most advanced military sectors have created entire

(03:32):
departments around trying to figure out. And so it makes
you wonder, at least is everyone drinking the sauce or
is there something really going on here, right? Or what
is it that is going on? Is the is the
bigger question? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
And it's also like totally possible think about. I mean,
there's like living micro organisms in your eyebrows right now, right,
like they're brewing in there.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Not mine, bro, whistle, No, they're in there under a
microscy they're lies, bro. You should get that checked out out.
It's not but these little white bugs they're hair. It's like, no,
that's lice, bro.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
They're not thinking about us and what we are and
what we're up to. And it could be a similar
thing where it's like these things. Maybe we're in somebody.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
We don't know that.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Maybe, but we could be in somebody's eyebrow right now
and they don't even think about us and can't see us.
Who knows.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Would you be pissed if this whole thing, this whole time,
we're just in some alien's eyebrow.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Nah, that's fine.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I mean you can't even be mad about that. It's
like that's the coolest eyebrow. So, Okay, before we get
too too heady on this, our guest today is Jeremy Corbel.
He is a renowned journalist, very talented human being, and
he's the guy who has been breaking a lot of

(04:55):
these viral UFO videos that the most legitimate news sources
are covering, you know, from the New York Times to
Box to CNN to you know, pick your poison. Everyone's
covering these stories, and a lot of them. A lot
of these stories have been piggybacking off of leaked data,

(05:17):
leaked documents, and leaked videos of these weird anomalies in
the sky, which is really kind of what helps spark
this new age conversation about it. And he's really on
the forefront of that, and so he knows a lot,
and so I try to press them a little bit
here and there for some secrets, but also just all

(05:38):
on good fun. You know, this is somebody who has
a really advanced take on this subject matter, way more
than I have. And my entire purpose of making the
High Strange Podcast really just at its core, was to
be able to make a enjoyable, fun show that feels

(05:59):
investiga and feels like you're learning something, and it's a
history lesson and scratches at all the unknown elements of
our history show that anyone could get down with just
the idea that hey, we don't know everything yet, and
it's okay to question things. It's okay to challenge things,
and it's okay to you know, believe in things that

(06:20):
aren't definitively proven in ways that we're used to them
being proven, because everything that's truth it didn't always start
that way. And so I think we have a really cool,
engaging conversation. But before we get there, I want to
also address all the up and vanished listeners, or if
you're not an up advantaged listener, you should be. Mike

(06:41):
and I here and the rest of the team at TENDERFOD.
We've been spending a long time, but over a year,
investigating a missing person's case in the Subarctic region of Alaska,
and the podcast comes out on the sixteenth this Friday.
Depend on when you hear this. Those of you who
want a little sneak peek right now, you can get it.

(07:02):
There is a good three minute two and a half
three minute chunk from episode one, one of my favorite
interviews of the show. Of that episode, at the very
end of this interview.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
They don't know what's coming. It's gonna be a wild season.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
What are your thoughts. We're staring on the barrel of it. Now.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
See, I've had a couple of friends ask me, though, like,
is season four gonna be good'?

Speaker 1 (07:25):
That's what they're saying. What are their names again?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
You know who it is?

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Does Christian say that?

Speaker 2 (07:32):
It was absolutely Christian?

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Is it gonna be good?

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Or is this the one time actually choke?

Speaker 1 (07:38):
I'm it's like, all right, Christian, is this picture you
just took gonna be good? Or you're gonna suck all
of a sudden? I love you, bro? Why did I
know it was Christian immediately?

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Because it's something he would say.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
He's like, I don't know, I'm a little dubios about
this one. Okay, all right, but okay, fair.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
It's because he worked on it. He helped on it
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
I think he's weird because he forgot he did come
out there, he came. I think he's just conflating how
intense and honestly shitty that weekend was we had out there,
because it was a lot a lot of shit went
down that was unplanned and became logistical nightmares and it
was like, all of a sudden, new game plan for everything,

(08:25):
and we're in a place where we were not really
capable of doing things where we're used to and it
was tough.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Yeah, and it's it's probably the scariest thing since Dead
and Gone for me that I've worked on. So there's
that coming.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, Yeah, there's a there's a moment that's a very
long moment, a whole chapter of this new Up and
ventas series that is absolutely the most terrifying thing I've
done professionally as an adult ever, no no doubt. But yeah,

(09:04):
stay tuned to the very end of this episode for
a really good sneak peek of episode one of Up
and Vanished that you can only get here and also
go listen to the show. And if you haven't heard
High Strange or Up and Vanished, that's all good. But
I encourage you to go check out those shows. I
think that they're really good listens, and we put a

(09:26):
lot of time and effort into them and it's really
what's afforded us to be able to make this show
at all in the first place. And so I think
that you'd really find it very compelling and interesting, I hope,
Or if you think it sucks, that's fine, just don't
DM me about it. Just give it to your fucking stuff. Anyways,
without further ado Jeremy Corbel on talking to death. Yeah,

(10:01):
I'm sure you're probably crazy busy right now.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
Yeah, life's always crazy. Oh, I've got twenty four hours
in a day. We choose how to spend.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
It and sometimes you got to sleep. Yeah, eventually, right,
but you run out of energy. Yeah, yeah, that's what
I hear. I feel like I mean to me, in
my opinion, you are the goat when it comes to
UFO research and being on the pulse of what's happening

(10:27):
in that space. How did you get to this point
and why do you want to do this? Okay, so
now we're doing a podcast. Oh we're podcasting right now.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Okay, Oh my god, you got it. Okay, your notes ready?
I keep my footnotes in my head. Well, I see
that perspective. I would say that there are real goats
to this thing, people that have really threw down and
put themselves in situations where they should be admired for it.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
One would be George Knapp.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
I'm lucky that I've had good mentors that I'm a
good listener when I'm not talking. You know, I didn't
know I would be involved with this in this way,
at this level behind the scenes in front of the scenes.
I didn't know that I was just making movies because
I'd never made a movie. But I had a camera

(11:22):
and when I pointed that camera people, they would start
spilling the beans. And I'm a patient motherfucker. So I
just would sleep on floors like at John Lear's house
and shit, and I just wanted to know, do you
have any fucking evidence about UFOs. It was really selfish
and simple. Of course, in my mind, I was like, well,
I'd love to talk with Bazaarre just to see if

(11:42):
what he said was true, get to know the guy.
But I had no in you know, George Nap evaded
me for two years, you know, like no in. So
but I realized this camera was kind of this passport
into people's worlds where they wouldn't normally say it to
somebody unless they were holding a camera, and I was like, well,
I might as well make a movie out of it

(12:02):
and see if that sparks something. So that's really how
I started, was just pure curiosity, trying to find out
for myself if there's anything to this, and then you know,
one thing leads to the next man, and if you
do good work, people want to watch that work, and
then people start trusting you because you are trustworthy. And

(12:24):
I think people started realizing that with Commander David Fraber
when he kind of admitted on stage that we'd known
each other for a long years and I had never
said anything right, So people were like, oh shit, Jeremy
can do something that others can't. Just keep his fucking
mouth shut. Yeah, and that's true. And someone says something
is confidential, it's not about never signed an NDA, it's
not about secrecy. It's just like if somebody tells me trust,

(12:45):
you don't talk about this, you don't talk about shake trust.
That's the foundation of a relationship is that there's trust.
And I think you know that word gets spread, just
like if you're an asshole, that word gets spread. So
I think that's how I earned trust and continue to
earn it every day from people who want to know
the truth about this and have some piece of the information.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, you made a documentary about Bob Lazarre, and for
those who don't know who that is and what his
claims were, just kind of sum that up for me
and tell me why you were interested in learning more
about it.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Sure, so for your audience that doesn't know Bob Lazar
is the goat, right, So Bob Blazar is this guy
who out of nowhere, like a shiroco in the desert.
He comes forward and says, through George Napp, my mentor
in journalism, he comes forward on the news and says,
my name is Bob Lazar. Actually he didn't say his
name at first, he was in silhouette. But he goes

(13:40):
on the news and he goes, look, I'm worried about
my personal safety. We are reverse engineering alien spacecraft at
a place called Area fifty one, which you haven't heard about,
but it's out there in the Nevada desert and there
were nine flying saucers and we're doing our best. And
I was part of that program and now I'm worried
about my life and I feel a threat to my
personal safety. And that's my story. That's it done. And

(14:05):
the world's like, what the this guy just saying it again?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
So George Knapp was like, who is this Lazar guy?
And his news people were like is this true? And
he goes, Georgia, don't. I don't know, but we're I'm
going to find out. All this needs is we're checking.
I guess let's check it. Yeah, so then you know,
push come to shove, all these things happen and the
world kind of learns his real identity, Bob Blazar and
very polarizing figure. If people look into the UFO world

(14:31):
like can we believe him?

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Can we not?

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Does he have a shortied past, is he a liar?
It's all these things that people want to know, and
I wanted to know too because I was thirteen years
old and here on the radio Bob Lazar's voice and
George Knapp interviewing him, and that was like my gateway drug.
I was like, that's where my curiosity got weapon.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
As you were, you were influenced by that story, and
that's a big story. That that that got your curiosity
going on it right.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
Bam had like it was like an atomic bomb because
the one thing he said that bloom my mind was
that and I see you got a tattoo of a
saucer on your arm.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
I didn't even have a you should get well, I
gotta get you're overdo that. But the hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
So yeah, So basically when I heard that, I think,
like a lot of people, you're like, Okay, well is
this possibly true? Because at the time, having thirty five,
thirty six. However, many years ago it wasn't accepted like
it is now, so you're kind of like it's like
a dirty secret. You can't come out the UFO closet
that easy, right, So you're kind of hiding, right.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
You like people judging you for saying that you believe
in saucers. Dude, bro, sure, Yeah, if you.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Were living in that era and you start talking about
flying saucers, you're the crazy part full of dinner. We're
living in a different time since two thousand and seven,
so here we are hear that shit, and I'm like.
The one thing that struck me was the way Bob
Azar described the propulsion system. So when you have a

(15:54):
craft's propelled by something. For audiences that don't know about
the basics, most things are reaction auctionary propulsion, from rockets
to roller skates, you push something out the back, you
move forward. The thing that Lazarre told me that really
or said publicly that really struck me is he said
this was a non reactionary propulsion system, So you can

(16:14):
move through time and space, you can move somewhere without
pushing something out the back, And I'm like, what does
that mean? And I'm thinking as he's talking, and he says,
it's like you push your fist into a bed, and
you've got a bowling ball on that bed, and the
bowling ball falls into the divot where you put your fist.
It's falling into place. It's a non reactionary propulsion system.

(16:35):
But why that was so important what he said is
because if what he said is true, then the distance
between stars and galaxies no longer matters. Because the big
argument was, of course there's life out there in the universe.
It's homogeneous, it's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
That's too big. It's too big.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
So all the smarty pants scientists say, of course there's
extraterrestrial life out there, however they ain't coming here. But
if you had a propulsion system that negated the entire
dilemma you have of distance of time and space, then
there's no boundary that's stopping contact from other civilizations. So

(17:13):
all these things people see discs in the sky for
thousands of years, well, there's a possibility could be true.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
It was the first.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Time I heard it explained in a way that made
sense from a point of physics, and I thought, holy shit,
If what he's saying is true, if I big, if
it's at the time, if what he's saying is true,
then distance doesn't matter. And if that's true, dude, I
got to find out. And so that was the thing
that sparked me as a kid. But you know, I

(17:40):
was doing jiu jitsu, I was doing my schooling. I
like didn't really get into it, but it was always there.
I always had a fascination with it. And then twist
of turn of events, I saw an opportunity to learn
more about it with that camera that was given to
me for my wedding. You know, they were making a
film on my art shows, and I saw what they

(18:02):
were doing was more powerful than the art I was doing.
I wanted to capture it. I was like, dude, teach
me this stuff. So as they're filming me, I was like,
teach me push the green button. Okay, got it? Can
if I d Mark two?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Got it.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
So that's how I got started. But that was the
thing what Bob Lazar said then and now where we're standing,
it is imperative that people try to understand what he
meant by that and try to figure out for themselves
if he is worthy of your trust. Meant by what
the way the propulsion system worked and what that might

(18:36):
mean for these craft that people are seeing, because we can't.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
If not, then we're just applying what we already know
how to do today in our science with propulsion to
something else. Obviously it would be difficult or impossible for
any of the crafts that we have to travel those distances.
So we can't do that. I see why someone would
be like, that's not possible. Clearly there's something else we
have to unlock here.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
You can't carry the fuel even with reactionary Yeah, that's not.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
Going to be It wouldn't be the efficient way to
do it. We're missing something. You couldn't do it and
couldn't do it.

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Yeah, and you know there's no even a solar sale
might give you renewable when you're near a star, like
the amount of energy to have some sort of reaction
or propulsion, but in general you couldn't do it. And
it is a mental dilemma. It's like something we can't
get beyond because of the hubris of the human spirit.
You're like, well, if it doesn't exist and we haven't created,
we're so smart it should we should know. The thing

(19:31):
is this breaks no laws of physics as we know it.
We just don't have an example of it that we
can show everybody. However, the problem is, you got Commander Fravor,
one of these pilots that famously chased and tried to
engage the tic tac Ufo in two thousand and four.
If the West Coast big Ufo event, people should hear
about tiktac Ufo. But another thing that he said in

(19:52):
Congress when he was just testifying, was he says, we
don't have the technology that I saw in two thousand
and four. We have no ability to make that. We
can't even think about trying to make it for the
ten years. And he's kind of laughing about that number
because he's in a position to know that he has
a classified job right now, they don't have it.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, if he doesn't know it, then who would know that.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
Well, yeah, you gotta be careful the list gets shorter,
I would imagine, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I've got
to think fly one of these things. Well he flew,
you know, F eighteen. But the idea that he knows
now with his position of work, that we don't have
this technology. He's one of many that have said this.
But it's important for us to hear there's some credibility
in people who are in position to know. Like you

(20:34):
can sit behind a keyboard, you can make up a
whole bunch of theories about stuff. But a guy who's
in position to know, we should give that a little
more credit, who has nothing to gain from telling us that.
So what he said is we don't have it. Now
I know that we haven't had it. I you know,
privy to conversations and things like that with people for
decades about this. We don't have that tech yet, but

(20:57):
somebody does. And that's the thing. Who has it? We
don't even have to say extraterrestrial, we'd have to say
the word alien, like who has this technology that we
are capturing in our skies with multiple sensor systems? Now,
you know that's the difference in twenty nineteen when George
Knap and I released all this footage of UFOs caught

(21:17):
by these navy warships that were leaked to us, there's
four or five different types of visual data. You've got thermal, infrared,
deck footage, radar, bunch of stuff. We are now seeing
that other people have these capable craft, whatever they are,
wherever they're from, the question is who has them, So

(21:38):
we don't have to like be all weird about it.
Let's just find out who has them.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
Who has them here on Earth?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah, who's flying them in our restricted airspace? Like if
we can answer that question, we don't have to be
weird about it. Let's just find out who.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Right, wouldn't that pose some sort of security threat if
it was being reverse engineered by the military or something thing?

Speaker 3 (22:01):
Meaning are you saying if we do just to protect
their own operation? Okay, like a black product, Sure, just
go down that. So here are the possibilities, right, So fact,
there have been craft that can outpace, out maneuver, and
outperform what we have. We have that on radar, we
have that on thermal, we have that on infrared. We
have that testify to by dozens, if not hundreds of

(22:22):
pilots and more so, somebody has these machines and the
tic Tac is one of them, right, Yeah, Tiktak would
be an anomalous because it was able to move without
inertial effect, which means no slowing down when it's making
ninety degree turns or shooting off faster than your eyes
can see. There's no sonic booms, so it has no
inertial effect, meaning like no sonic booms. It can go

(22:45):
between space to air and down to right to the
surface of the sea in faster than a second from
ninety thousand feet or eighty thousand feet, but without these
common signatures that you'd get, so that the tic TAC
would be an anomalous aerial vehicle that would be classified
as a UFO UAP. And we have a pilot, Commander Favor,

(23:07):
who not only saw it, but a pilot named Commander
Chad Underwood, a weapons systems operator who filmed it. And
there's an extensive reporting on it internally in the DIA
and Defense Intelligence Agency, and George Nap and I actually
try to submit to Congress one hundred and plus page
document by the DIA on the tic TAC. Now, believe
me or not, we did try, and there's a reason

(23:29):
we couldn't submit it. But it does exist. So yeah,
the TIKTAC would be one. So now you've got these
craft that do it. Okay, cool, we're all there. UFOs are.
Real question is who's operating them, who built them, where
are the factories, where do they come from, what's the
intent these are questions everybody wants answered. I'm saying, let's
not even try to answer that yet. Just let's find
out who's operating them very simply. Is it another nation?

(23:52):
Is it US? And we're hiding it because it's a
black project, and like you said, national security, you don't
want to let your enemies know what you have. Why
spell that instantaneously? It is not our technology, not the
United States of America.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
How do you know that?

Speaker 3 (24:05):
So there's a bunch of ways to know that that
are very logical and simple. Okay, the most important thing
if we go into who's this might be Russia, China,
US a technological nation. How long have UFOs of this sort,
like the tic tac it was shaped like a like
a tic tack or a pro Paine teck. How long
have we been documenting and seeing those in our skies?

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Far too long? Yeah? Right, so that's the fucking is
I mean since Roswell or before really or they call.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
Them flying pro Paine tanks and you'll see military pilots
tell you what they saw. Now we have video though,
so it's different. Yeah, it's different. Right, So, first thing
to know, UFOs have been around for a long time.
I would argue, prior to us even having an air
force or a Pentagon, they've been part of the historic record,
and they're explained exactly the same way the stories.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
That go back, you know, thousands of years. Really if
you go back that for.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
And you get better and better evidence as you go,
because now we have some video footage, right, but you
also have different sensor footage radar. So it's not just
Uncle Joe saying he saw now the.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Data can actually you know, compare to something.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Data rich now yeah, yeah, so and it will get better,
that's the thing. It's just you get better if stuff
keeps coming out, you know. So so here you are.
You already know the UFOs just like we're seeing now,
have been seen for hundreds, if not of thousands of years.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Cool man.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
So it's not us, it's not any other technological nation
that we're aware of on planet Earth at this time.
But why it's not our black projects. Well, there's a
few really simple ways to look at that. I'm sure
some are. I'm sure some unidentified people are like yeah,
it's sure, yeah, we're hiding it.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Some also might be a balloon that one time or
totally are yeah, But there's some that don't fit all
those descriptors.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
And there's five things to know whether or not they
do or not. It's the five observables and these are
what those. Okay, so you know I'm not BookSmart, but
like you know, I'll give you one. So instantaneous movement
the idea of being able to take a ninety degree
turn at let's say thirty thousand miles an hour, which
we have tons of radar tapes in the public round.
People can understand that that has happened. So that instantaneous

(26:13):
l shape ninety degree turn without inertial effect, without explosion
or crushing. Right, if you put a human in there,
or even the craft itself would basically be combustible. It
would become a big fireball because you can't make those
turns without inertia, the basic physical proper of inertia. So
it's like if you I don't know the best way
to describe it, but.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Is it like it's jumping almost? That's one way maybe
it could.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, But so basically you get something going let's say
thirty thousand miles an hour as an average, and then
we have radar of this and it goes whoomp woop
and makes an al shape. How does it do that
without losing speed and without blowing up right? So we
don't have that tech. So back to black projects. Every
person I've talked with that has accidentally come across a

(26:57):
black project in the air, and there's there's many, by
the way that I'm in direct contact with. I think
publicly people have talked to me about it on my podcast.
Is like Commander Underwood is a good example. There is
a strict protocol, so they don't want it to be public. So,
first of all, black projects, you're not going to be
flying right off the coast of California where you're literally
tasking fighter pilots to go check that out. You're trying

(27:19):
to keep them secret, you know. So this is not
a thing they do for safety, and it's not a
thing they do for privacy. It's a ridiculous idea. So
the idea of black projects, you do not fly those
and get all this attention on them. There's no reason
to do that. Additionally, there's protocols. If somebody sees a
black project US tech and they go through those protocols,

(27:41):
and all these fighter pilots who've ever had that experience,
they go through them. They tell you you'd never seen this.
I designed NDAs. None of that happened with a ticktac
none of that. There's way more to the tictac UFO
than people understand. I've said it before, but people ain't listening.
It wasn't one craft. This was over weeks. There were
multiple craft descend from above eighty thousand feet down to

(28:02):
sea level and docking is the best terminology. About fifty
feet above the water with an object, a US unidentified
submerged object, and it was under the water, and these
things were coming down, dropping faster than one second to
drop that ninety eighty thousand plus feet. Now, the reason
we say eighty thousand is because the scan volume of

(28:23):
the spy one radar, which is on the ships, it
stops at eight thousand, which is basically getting near outer space.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's pretty high. It's pretty high.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
So basically, what you've got are these machines that are
going for over two weeks, that are doing something, some
job we don't know, and then they're dropping down instantaneously,
hovering and docking with this thing under the water. That's
what really happened, and that's well documented, and I hope
a lot of that comes out.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
But you just listen to the pilots.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
They talk about it and some of the people involved,
so not black projects. I'm sure some people say that's
a UFO and it's some cool plane that we have,
But we wish we had those capabilities, the trans medium
where you can go between space and err and see
without inertial effect, without slowing down. We wish we had
these types of craft. From what I know, we don't.

(29:13):
And if we did, Delta should be using that all
my flight back to Atlanta today.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Oh man, it'd be so amazed. I'd need that commercialize that.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
And the thing is that kind of stuff typically is
so you see a spillover and a fingerprint of technology
that we then learn about like thirty years later that
have started to be integrated into our daily lives. You
do not see that leap, that transitional leap between this
tech that is being observed again for hundreds, if not
thousands of years, and what we have today. You don't

(29:43):
see that bleed over properly. So somebody has this tech
and the question is have we been able to exploit it?
Have we been able to reverse engineer any part of it?
They call it derivative exploitation programs. So you might not
be able to make the craft if let's say the
government has some UFOs of unknown origin, which they do
they do, Yeah, they do.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Why do you think that I know they do? This?
Not a question?

Speaker 3 (30:08):
So from where I'm sitting, I know for a fact
that we have various i'll say, not only craft, but
components of craft that have been fastidiously reverse engineered. You know,
if that's the right word word, I'm trying to use
it more.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
It's a cool word. It's a very cool word.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
So you know, very thoroughly trying to reverse engineer this technology.
And it doesn't matter. Don't take my word for it.
I'm telling you as it is, and I'm sitting here
believing you. But tell me why someone should believe what
you're saying right now? Okay, so we can do that,
we can play that little game of just just.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Just on as simple. Just give me one. How do
you know that? Right?

Speaker 3 (30:48):
Okay, So I'm going to get back to that. Okay,
but let me so these craft, right, let's say we're
exploiting them or reverse engineering, there are programs. What they're
trying to do is not just like make a whole
craft because maybe we can't, maybe we don't have the
material science. But what they can do is get derivative technologies.
So let's say you learn that the medical sory, the metallurgy,

(31:11):
the composition of the alloys on the surfaces of these craft,
that they were fabricated, and that they were fabricated in
a way that create a metamterial something that doesn't, you know,
happen in nature, and that there's some result of that
that helps it do certain things. And then we can
bring that into our society. And to give you one example,
like graphene is a great example. It's like a hexagonal

(31:34):
pattern of atoms, and it's basically like I think, like
pencil lad graphite, graphine, and they use Scotch tape and
they pulled it up a layer and they realized, holy shit,
that's a superconductor.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I think that's what you call it.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
And they were fabricating these little cubes and I have
two of them, one from China and one from the US,
and they have different atomic orientations. Some are like eight
degrees off of perfect symmetry, these little layers of graphinge,
and then other ones are like four degrees off of symmetry. Now, physically,
when you take these what the difference is. I can
show you this at my house, Like you just take

(32:08):
one of these cubes and you push it into a
block of ice. It immediately transfers the heat from your
fingers into the ice and it'll go into the depth
of the ice depending on the orientation of these atoms,
and it gets cold and it stops. But it's like
a hot knife through butter initially. Now the reason is
that is I believe they call it a superconductor. It's
where it takes the heat and distributes it quickly. The

(32:28):
only way it can do that is because the atomic
layering of the graphene. So we have created a metal
material that is atomically oriented to do something different in
our physical realm. It's a very clear indication of what
can be derived from learning about different alloys and what
they do. So our reverse engineering programs are looking for

(32:51):
derivative technologies. So let's say Lockheed Martin, let's say North Grummin,
let's say BAE or any of these big aerospace defense contractors.
If they had I'm telling you they do. But if
they had some of these technologies, then that's what you'd
be looking for is derivative technologies to get a technological
advantage and a competitive advantage in business, and then America's

(33:15):
like the strongest. We have great defense capabilities, we've had
economic power. That's what the secrecy is about. The secrecy
is not about the UFOs, not about whatever's piloting them.
It's about we don't know the exactly who's piloting these.
Is it one group, is it two groups? We don't
know how they make it, but damned we're gonna find
out first. Yeah, we're gonna find out first because we

(33:37):
got technological advantage. Then we'll be a step ahead because
whoever gets this tech if it does exist the way
we understand it too in our common realm here, then
it's fucking game over. You fucking won pretty powerful stuff.
It's like the atomic bomb. What was that whole race about.
I mean, yeah, it's about stacy and power and really
trying to stop a war is what they said. But

(33:59):
it's like when you can demonstrate that and you can
use that, then the idea is you can be like, hey,
I don't like that policy, we should probably change it.
And that's what governments do. The national security it is
now why should you trust me?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Right? Sure, that's what you said. Well, I said, why
do you know that? Why do I know? Why do
you know that the government is in possession?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I have direct knowledge of these programs. And so if
you were standing where I'm standing, right, sure, there's certain
things that you have the luxury to disbelieve or you know,
be like maybe on sure the fact that we are
reverse engineering craft of unknown origin. I do not have
the luxury of disbelief. Personally, I'm not asking you to

(34:43):
believe anything I say. I'm asking you to be curious.
I'm definitely here, so not you your audience, Sure you know,
just be smart, be curious, you keep your mind open,
but keep your marbles in your head. So I've never
asked somebody to believe me. What I do ask is
that you don't discount what I say, and you look
at my past history and record of being correct. And

(35:04):
if you do that, then you take a logical approach
to the information, which I say, I could give a
fuck if you believe me. It's not about believe it's
either true or not true. But how do I know?
I have direct personal knowledge that And I'm not going
to specifically say what, but direct. I am telling you
I have direct personology that these programs exist. Now, I

(35:26):
don't know to what depth, and I don't know how
far they got. I don't know all of them, and
I don't know for sure what's going on.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Do you know that that basic fact.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
I have, beyond a shadow of a shadow of doubt,
I am personally confident that these programs are not only operational,
but they have been operational for a long time. And
what brings you there? I'll give a little more because
I know it's weird. But so one of the ways
that you could be really confident with that is you

(35:57):
could have people come and provide you evidence and proof
to their own disadvantage, and that you could get a
lot of accounts and understanding from direct first and witnesses.
And then how you'd up that confidence is you'd pass
those people or information on to agencies that are policing
this within our government, and you get an affirmation that

(36:19):
that information is correct, that it's not lies and it's
not fictitious. Oh, I don't work for the governments, so
they won't tell me everything, you know what I mean.
But I mean, if I provide somebody in i'd like
you know heads up, were they a good witness? So
that's one way I can get higher confidence, and there's
other ways that you can have confidence in that statement.
Does that satisfy your questions?

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Great?

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, because that's what somebody would ask if because they're
big claims and it's I think it's.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
It's an assertion or I'm more than a claim. Yeah,
it is a big it's a big concept on my
faulty pill to swallow, and it's not your faulty. I'm
not taking pills right exactly. I'm just looking at where
the evidence leaves me. And I know that might be frustrating.
We'll get your boots on the ground and go fucking work.
If you want to be as satisfied as me with
that reality. And you got big questions, right, don't read online,

(37:10):
get your fucking phone in your hand, get your boots
on the ground, and go find out for yourself. But
I will provide as much information as I can and
people can take it for whatever they value it at.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
So so much has changed in the last I would say,
let's just call it ten years in the conversation surrounding
UAPs UFOs extraterrestrials changed a lot you know where we
are today in twenty twenty four. How so I just
think that the stigma has been loosened up a little bit.

(37:40):
It seems like that, and it seems like the younger
generation could give two shits. They're like, oh yeah, we
always kind of thought it was real anyways. It's just
it's your grandparents who are holding on to some idea
that it's a taboo thing or something. So I think
that just as a society, from my viewpoint, my perspective,

(38:01):
that's loosening up and people are more open to the
idea that there's a lot more going on out there
than we know, which I like that. But I'm just curious,
in your opinion, where does it go from here and
when does it come to some sort of head. And
I don't mean a disclosure moment, because I think wriddling
down to one moment is unrealistic. But at what point

(38:24):
does it come to ahead and we find something that's
just definitive enough to to shut up a debunker and
for us to use and apply new technology here today
and for it to be just common knowledge, Well, why
do you want that? I don't necessarily want that. It's

(38:46):
more that if all these things are true, then why
aren't they universally true?

Speaker 3 (38:55):
A meaning like who else would agree with us?

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Or yeah? Why because it?

Speaker 3 (39:00):
What is true also is that there are a large
number of people who, even when presented with strong evidence,
we'll just say that's not real.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Why do you think they do that?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Well, I mean there's a lot of reasons people do that,
not only with UFOs.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
They do that, and they did with COVID too, remember that,
I remember most everything they do it with whatever they
want to write.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
It's like, you know, well, look, so I'm just curious
where that comes from, because that's how I feel too.
So I feel the world has changed, and I feel like,
like you, I want a moment where we consensus reality
can be the same for everybody. That's what That's what
I said. It would be so neat right. It might

(39:43):
be less fondness ad the UFOs if we already agreed.
And I'm like, you know, I'm.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Just saying like we already know that, but I get.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
That feeling, right, So at some point they're gonna be like, oh,
we knew it was true the whole way along, and
you're like, oh, motherfucker. It's it's like your idea enough
the tweets no you didn't, ye, so, but you know,
we'll look at it this way. Like skepticism and rational
thought is highly valuable in a world where there's a

(40:09):
lot of gray area, like the UFO thing, because we
just don't know a lot about UFOs. Sure debunking is different.
That is the intentional obfuscation or denial of information to
fit towards a predetermined agenda that you want to be true.
That's or worse than that, they're just douchebags that like

(40:31):
want to create you know, haze where it should be clear.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
On the subject.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
So you got intentional disinformation, which is prolific in this
field and for good reason. We just talked about national security,
Like if any of that's true, there's good reason whether
it be directed disinformation, and there is. But you've got
like people that are skeptical and I love that. I
appreciate that. It's like, hell, yeah, needs that, and keep

(40:56):
keep me in a fact check me.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Let's do this. We should be checking.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Ourselves right, right, Totally different than debonkers.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
So that is a corrosive element that is trying to
deceive through slid of hand, and that should be fought
against if we're going to spend our time and we're
going to try to learn more and get somewhere, it
does no value to give audience to people that are
blatantly just trying to make you spin your wheels. I

(41:27):
got no love and no hate for people like that.
They're not on my fucking radar. Their names don't even
leave my mouth. I don't care. They're who who I
think is important. They don't have an important voice. The
people that have an important voice, the people that really
want to know the truth. It might be highly skeptical,
and people that need to be reeled in because they're
too believery right, and why bring them in. So there's

(41:49):
just like there's a path forward, that's the path that
we're taking. People can talk, they can say bullshit. They
can attack people, like we saw with David Grush, where
people attacked his mental health because he came out said
something about UFOs, go fuck your shot.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Under the microscope of anything that's ever happened, ever, it's nonsense.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
All this nonsense, the little gossip, the circles, Oh we're
working for this person, working for them, All of that
is nonsense. What we need to do is bring this
into public light. We need to have a rational discussion
about it. We need to destigmatize, popularize, bring it into
pop culture that it is okay for smart people to
have this conversation. And the noise and the dogs be barking.

(42:28):
All those names you were just putting through your head,
none of them matter.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
Who matter?

Speaker 3 (42:32):
Are the people that really are looking for the truth genuinely,
Those are the people that matter. And I would consider
looking for physically judging and applying. It's like I come
from true crime. Most of the sots I've investigated great shows.
I love your show. I've been vanished.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Man. It would be like if there was a suspect
and I said I wanted to fit this person, yeah,
and so that's a preconceived thought and so I'm making
it fit.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
It be like if I saw UFO and I say
that's a balloon.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
Now I'm gonna make it be a balloon, yeah, Or
I'm gonna make it be this or that.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
So it's it's gonna be more objective. Sometimes I think
when you're looking at stuff like UFO, that shit is
on most sides, even on the side of like, okay,
it's aliens. Well, we don't know that either.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Right, right, So, but I think that's just mental gymnastics
that people love doing that stuff and people get all
wrapped up and he said this, and they said this.
I've heard some most ridiculous Well it's it's round, it
must be it's round, and it's yellow, it must be
the sun.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Like the logic.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
I don't want to even get into some of the
debunking bullshit. It's not even worth it. So so basically,
if you see throughout someone's history that they are trying
to fit a mold and they're being disingenuous and doing so,
they are not honest brokers of inform. You should turn
them off. Debate them, you shouldn't what you should just
turn them off. They shouldn't even be worth your time.

(44:06):
But if you see somebody who's fighting for the truth
and has brought consistently the correct information, you should have
a little more faith and if they tell you something new.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:15):
So, that's the way that we have to navigate this
world of strange saucerland UFO stuff is just have this
idea that it's going to be complex. It's a briar patches.
Good actors, there's bad actors. Some people are really loud.
That doesn't mean you need to listen to them more.
And everybody should decide for themselves reality, that's the way
you should go about it. Remember that Star Trek conference

(44:38):
in Vegas a couple of years ago. Yeah, brother, that
is when we first met. Yeah, that was awesome. I
my appreciated there. So I also I learned that is
that what you were doing that time? And you're always
talking at the well, you're.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Always doing some secret shit.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
I feel like I mean to do that.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, but the time was he in the room where
you when you guys, when you kept when you came
up to by the elevator, I introduced you to him.
That was his day, Big Dave. Yeah, David Gres Oh my,
you're fucking kidding me.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
I know, because we're still being protective because look not because.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
When we got off stage we went to the elevator,
that was Dave was there.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
There's Dave, my buddy next to me, a big guy,
big yeah, I know, and they're great.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
So it's like you look back at this stuff. So
for your audience, let me just break something out, please do.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
I've been childhood friends with a guy named Eugene Roddenberry,
son of Geen Ronenberry, creator of Star Trek. So Eugene
Roddenberry has been my friend. We did jiu jitsu together
since we were children. He was like, you know, my
big brother and my other brother, my actual big brother.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
They were good friends. So he was it.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
He was he's a black belt, you know, from the
same group of SeNSS.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
So we hung out all the times.

Speaker 3 (45:45):
So he says to me, Oh, this UFO thing, come
to the Star Trek thing and do a talk about
the real world UFOs. I'm like, for many years they
didn't do it. I'm like, fuck, yeah, I want to
see it, you know. So I was like, sure, I
don't know anything about Star Trek unfortunately, so but whatever
I want.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
And it was cool.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
And so that's when we invited David Grush because we
wanted to at that time, we were aware because he
came to me and George first outside of the intelligence communities,
and he wanted protection, and so we're like, cool, we
got to get to know you. This is a good chance.
It's in Vegas, George will be there, so we had
him come, uh and then we spent time kind of

(46:23):
getting to know what you're there, and I mean, he's
kind of my house and stuff. But that's when we
saw you. But I wasn't saying because this guy was
always lived in the shadows. He's an intelligence agent. He's
not used to being public, so I wasn't going to
be like, hey, buddy, who you I just mentioned the
UFO guy. I'm talking You're about to hear a lot
from him, you know what I mean? It was too early,
so but you know, that was part of that process.

(46:45):
And my other buddy, you know, UFO Joe, so he's
there too, And I felt bad like I didn't like
overtly say hey, you should pay attention, but he knew
that when we're hanging out that, you know, maybe there's
a reason he's a good documentary person in his mind
and the work he does on line.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
The weird part was we're still figuring it out.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
And when Dave got back to his agency at work
the next day, you know, he got pulled out of
his agency and basically given a plant and put on probation,
and it was like, we're like, oh shit is the
next day? Yeah, the next morning after he met with
you guys on Sunday. It wasn't us just for any

(47:24):
whistleblowers or sources that are there. It wasn't because of us,
but it was, like, I was really really disturbed me.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
So we're trying to figure out it was.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, they were already applying pressure because of his ICIG complaint,
so it wasn't directly because of me and Georgia, and
that got totally resolved. They were looking at like his
parking and stuff. They were doing anything they could fuck
with him. Gotcha, here's a guy that's just clean as
a whistle, Like you know, sure he has had PTSD
issues and all that stuff, but he survived it.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
Man.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, And so this is a guy they couldn't pin
on anything from and they were trying so hard to
fuck with him. And even after that meeting, it really
disturbed me and George. We looked into it and those
mechanisms of really, to be honest with you, absolutely fucking
with him. That's what the mechanisms were there for because
of his ICIG complaint, which.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Is illegal by the way.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Yeah, but not that anybody cares about law in this
field or in these realms that we're talking about a.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Lot, it seems. No, it's pretty crazy.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
So anyway, that was a disturbing thing, and so that's
why even more so after that happened, I was like,
I want to make sure that there's no risk to him,
just knowing me and George.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, right, exactly, because that optically doesn't look good.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
If this is already it's not even optics, it's like
real concern. Sure people that are putting themselves out there
are about to and are going through a legal process
to do so where it doesn't harm the United States
of America. So I'm happy to report to you that
that event was not because of the meeting with me
and George, that that had been something that they were
trying to do to minimize his complaints to the ICIG prior.

(48:54):
And I think all of this is accurate. Dave will
talk for himself, but I believe all of this is
accurate the way I'm saying it. So we were satisfied
at that point, me and George that okay, so they're
turning the heat up on Dave. We knew they were
going to do that. We didn't know they'd be so
despicable in the way that they did it. But that's okay.
He's resilient and and you know that's what happened. So, yeah,

(49:16):
he was there.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
That's that's amazing. God, it hurts me. No, that's actually
that was cool now that that's who that was. And
now I'm like putting his face to it, and I'm like,
holy shit, you're totally right, that's who that was.

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Yeah, because you see him in Congress and you see yeah,
also was there at Congress from lib so that data.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I saw you in Vegas when I didn't know. David
Russell was next to you and I shook his hand.
We had just gotten back from Area fifty one, not
inside obviously, just went to go see to the gate,
you know, and we went there in the podcast, and
I saw that you had gone there too. It's just
cool seeing it in person. Just growing up with the

(49:55):
lore around this place. What do you do you think
anything still goes on there and in in that realm
of things? Totally.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
It's a perfect logistical location for secret Black Project work,
and there are current contracts and there is work that's
done out there. Do I think the nine flying saucers
at site for off of Papoose Lake, like Bob Lazarre said,
is still there.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
I have talked to individuals and have recorded with them,
and one day, I'll release that where they have gone
out to papoos and they have been stopped by armed
guard in military or non military. So corporate interest, black
fatigue on the Dry Lake bed two people, one one
on record with me. I might have the second one
on record. So are they still doing work there?

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Is it still the same work with the UFOs? Don't know.
But Area fifty one itself is part of a huge
Knellis complex where tons of work, like Area fifty two,
tons of stealth work was done there. So it's a
perfect strategic and logistical location for black project work. However,
there are other locations that are more desirable in a
lot of ways that our government currently has that people

(51:01):
don't know about yet. Yeah, new Area fifty ones that
people don't know about yet.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
New ones. Well yeah, I mean obviously you assume that there's.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Facilities that the things have been moved to.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
We know, we know where where Aftyon one is, but
we still can't see shit. Yeah, it's in a great spot.
It's great, it's great. What are your thoughts on the
Jellyfish UFO?

Speaker 3 (51:24):
So you know I released that, I do, Okay, so
what do Yeah, what are your thoughts on that? My
thoughts are so big after three and a half years
of getting that to the point of releasing it. So
I don't know that you have enough podcasts to talk
about it. But overall, if you're asking me, do I
feel confident with what I released to the public that
it's worthy of public discourse?

Speaker 1 (51:43):
One hundred percent? And beyond if there was anything about
one hundred percent? How big do you think that is
the physical size of the object.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
It's really hard to answer that, but it was substantial
in size, you know, I would you want to give
you a guess? Yeah, yeah, yeah, not twenty feet, not
three feet.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
But in between that, what do you think it really?
I mean, it does kind of look like a jellyfish.
And if you if you look at the jellyfish emoji
in your iPhone, have you seen that blue It kind.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Of looks like the UFO. What do you think the hell?
What is going on? Is it like a jetpack thing?

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Is it a yeah? I've seen some people of what
is it? I mean, like, obviously we don't know, but
have you tried to fill in the blanks in your mind?
Is to imagine what that would really look like if
you saw it up close?

Speaker 3 (52:31):
So I've talked with people who have seen much more
high fidelity on that object than it actually had. Scales
like armor like armored they called dragon armor like scales. Okay, metallic,
you know. So my visual of it, in my mind
is built not just on what is public and video,
but also all the people that I've talked with. But
what fascinates me more about it is the response and

(52:55):
what occurred when that did an incursion on a military base,
and then how that footage was handled. That is what
I'm trying to heal that divide. I know who and
where it is in official capacity, and I am, as
I said publicly, willing to speak with I don't know
about Arrow, but Senate Intelligence Committee for sure, and bring
them in direct witnesses and bring them into the loop

(53:17):
of exactly who confiscated it that night. What you're seeing
is a recording on a screen where people live captured
it during the then, and then over the years people
will pass or whatever and somehow it leaked out, you know,
to me, So the deal is for your audience. The
Jellyfish UAP is the last most recent major release that

(53:41):
George Knap and I obtained and put out, and it's
a whole story behind it, and it is worthy of
public debate and knowledge, and I think it's going to
prove to be a very important case long term when
it comes to UAP.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Do you think it's extraterrestrial? I would have no idea.
I don't even know what that means. I mean, just
it is it one of ours? Or do you think
it's not ours? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Oh, is it like Lockeed Martin's thing or yeah? Is
it our own craft? Or is it otherworldly? You know,
it's actually a great question. I don't have any way
of answering that. Yeah, it doesn't even look like a craft, like.
I can't assign it to anything but what it did
and what I'm aware of and the response to the base.
But I would say that whatever it is, the most
important thing is that it's being hidden from you. And

(54:25):
that's the thing about it. It was being hidden even
from the agencies that we're dealing with that time period
at that base, and that is a problem. So whatever
it is, it is identical to what I am aware
of filmed through pantext, which is a military installation or
nuclear weapons installation in Texas. So that's what really piqued

(54:46):
my interest. Is that I've it's not the first time
I heard of this John Keel and his book back
Operation Trojan.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Course.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
One of the most common UFOs is jellyfish shaped translucent
jellyfish shape.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Here it goes one of those things, bro, I had
what we were talking about. Yeah, we're wrapped, man, this
has been an absolute blast. Anything you want to leave
the audience with is in terms of what to expect
from you next as a uh documentarian journalist and being
on at the forefront of finding the truth here. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Yeah, I'm head right in the GIA team here, so
well check it out. I think that one of the
reasons we were talking was so there's this to be
special which is called UFO Revolution, and I actually really
love it because it really takes people from A to
Z with kind of how we got to where we

(55:41):
are and where we are now. With the UFO thing,
you got a lot of people that are involved in
the production of it, so you get to hear them talk.
For me, it was very uncomfortable because it was very
personal to me. They really like allowed I allowed a
personal experience with the cameras for your life, yeah, and
just telling people what what's going on on so that's
a neat thing. I think people should get up to

(56:03):
date and watch that. It's like totally free, just click
a Tubu link and then what's coming next?

Speaker 1 (56:10):
I never know.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
I never know, Like all cannons are loaded, and we'll
see what has to happen. I think we will see
more hearings, hopefully hear from first hand witnesses. That's what
we're all aiming for, So we'll see. But I think
it's going to take everybody kind of fighting to want
to know more about this and from whatever their advantage is.

(56:31):
And I think if people kind of pay less attention
to the distractions and really try to focus in on
getting to the core consensus reality of this, removing stigma.
Removing stigma. We can all disagree about stuff. You can
disagree about Bob Bazar, you can disagree about the jellyfish ufo,
you can disagree about the Tic tac ufo. You can
disagree about the twenty nineteen events. We could disagree about

(56:53):
everything which beer we like. But we can all agree
that there is something that is up and and and
it behooves us to try to figure out together what
that might be. And that's the only way we're going
to advance this topic. And we're all in the same boat,
even if we're fighting amongst you, all in the same

(57:13):
boat on it. So I'd highly encourage everybody throw down
their best bucking shot this year to get to the
truth about the UFO thing.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
If if there was nothing up, then we should know
that by now. It's a tired story, right, It's like,
come on, man, we figured out so many other things
in these hundred years. Why is this one still nagging
at us? So because there's something.

Speaker 3 (57:38):
Going on persistent, right, So poky UFO problem so persistent
right there, it's right there.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Man.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Well, yeah, I'm a huge fan of your workman, and
I'm just excited that you know, you're out there and
you know, doing the doing the work man, and I'm
just you know, looking forward to everything next thing you do. Man.
So I appreciate it. Be on the show, not.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Going quietly into the night, that's for sure. This year's
gonna be fun.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Yeah, man, Yeah, I like that too too. You got
to you gotta just push past the reluctance and just
say fuck this, I'm gonna go find out. Yeah, thank you, Hey, man,
I appreciate it, he shares.

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Speaker 4 (59:25):
Noah is a hub for fifteen surrounding villages over an
area sid Said, Ohio. People escaping come to Nome because
it's so far removed. People running away from stuff, often
bad people, people with bad intentions. They can come up
into Nome and they can get away with stuff. I

(59:52):
was the radiologist at the hospital in Nome. Florence worked
at the hospital. She was always showing up to work
with bruises and stuff, bruises. Somebody was abusing her. She
would always show up with bruises. I shared all this

(01:00:15):
with the DEA. There's a lot of good people up there,
but there's a dark side. You get into power up there,
and you just can get away with so much. The
people that you can control, people that grew up there,
They lived there and know them. Their families are there,

(01:00:35):
their job is there, their kids are there. They can't
go anywhere. They can't speak up against these power structures.
Too many people are aware of this stuff. If you

(01:00:57):
hear that something's happening, somebody's being heard or taken advantage
of reviews or stolen from you, don't just look the
other way. There's feak categories that put these people in.
There's people that commit a crime. The next category is

(01:01:19):
people that actively help. They didn't actually do the crime,
but they actually participate in a cover up. The third
category they're aware that this person's covering this up. And
they're aware that this person did this, and they don't
say anything.

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