August 2, 2018 • 19 mins
President Trump took to Twitter again to rail against the Robert Mueller investigation and also the trial against his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort. The President was calling on Attorney General Jeff Sessions to end the witch hunt before it stains the country any further. Lauren Meier, reporter for Axios, joins us to talk about Trump’s call to end the Mueller probe and Paul Manafort’s trial. Next, as more people are submitting their genetic data to DNA testing companies, questions about how long companies can keep your data and more importantly what they do with your data keep popping up. Some of the top DNA testing companies have all agreed to new rules on how to best handle your information. Xavier Harding, Tech writer for Mic, joins us for more on how these companies manage your DNA. Finally, it might be time to get a dashcam for your car. Marc Saltzman, tech columnist for USA Today, tells us why the time may be right to have one in your car. It might provide the right evidence in a car accident, it could protect you from a scam, and you might just enjoy the footage if you catch something fun.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Thursday, August two, and this is the daily Dive.
President Trump took to Twitter again to rail against the
Robert Mueller investigation and also the trial against his former
campaign chairman Paul Maniford. The President was calling on Attorney
General Jeff Sessions to end the witch hunt before it
(00:21):
stains the country any further. Lauren Meyer, reporter for Axios,
joins us to talk about Trump's call to end the
Mueller probe and Paul Manaforts trial next. As more people
are submitting their genetic data to DNA testing companies, questions
about how long companies can keep your data, and more importantly,
what they do with your data keep popping up. Some
(00:43):
of the top DNA testing companies have all agreed to
new rules on how to best handle your information. Xavier Harding,
tech writer for Mike, joins us for more on how
these companies are managing your data. Finally, it might be
time to get a dash camp for your car. Mark Saltzman,
tech calumnists for USA Today, tells us why the time
may be right to install one in your vehicle. It
(01:05):
just might provide the right evidence in a car accident.
It could protect you from a scam and you might
just enjoy the footage if you catch something fun. It's
news without the noise. Let's dive in the President stating
his opinion. Um, it's not in order, but he's been,
I think, crystal clear about how he feels about this
(01:25):
investigation from the beginning. There's a reason that the President
is angry, and frankly, most of America is angry as well,
and there's no reason he shouldn't be able to voice that.
Up Here joining us now is Lauren Meyer, reporter for Axios.
The President fired off a series of tweets railing against
the Mueller probe and even called on Attorney General Jeff
Sessions to end the probe. Now he's calling it the
(01:48):
rigged witch hunt? What else did he say? This isn't
the first time that he sent a message like to
find twitter. In fact, Trumps repeatedly pressured Sessions to end
the investigation on at least four occasions, and in this
latest tweet, the President told Session first of all, to
any investigation quote before it continues, staying our country any further,
and went on to call Bob Mueller quote totally confused.
(02:10):
After this tweet was sent out, the White House quickly
went on the defense, with both the president's lawyer Rudy
Giuliani and pre Secretary Paris Sanders saying that the tweet
wasn't in order from the president, just him expressing his
personal opinion. But between the lions, here are sources police
here at Axios that this isn't a directive to Sessions.
More likely, this is just a part of the broader
(02:32):
effort to beat up on Mueller, trying to smear him
and erode his credibility, and you trump power over his
base to move them against the probe. Right, And there
was already reports saying that Mueller was going to be
looking into the president's tweets as possible evidence of obstruction
and things like that, and we kind of already went
through this. The problem is that we've already established that
(02:54):
the president's tweets are often times official White House statements.
So there's that kind of confusion when is it an opinion,
when is it an official statement? And I think a
lot of people were trying to jump on that today. Absolutely,
and this is something that many people have dubbed the
president's tweets being official statement. So this is really a
pickle that the White House has been in since the
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President took office and has fired off a lot of
these very damning tweets towards many people in his own administration.
The other thing that the President tweeted about was Paul Manaford,
who's going through trial right now on a series of charges.
He tweeted that Paul Manaford worked for Ronald Reagan Bob Dole,
and uh, why didn't the government tell me that he
was under an investigation, calling the probe a hoax again,
(03:36):
and then even said who's been treated worse? Al Capone
or Paul Manaford political operative and Reagan Dole Darling. So
he's like, where is the Russian collusion? But Paul Manaford
is on trial right now for a range of charges.
What's going on with Paul Maniford, Paul man Trump's former
campaign manager. He's facing churches of tax and bank fraud
in relation to the laundering of thirty million dollars an income,
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acting as an unregistered foreign agent, lying to authorities, and
obstruction of justice. And this trial is the first of
Special Counsel Thought Mueller's investigation into the Trump campaign and
it's possible ties to Russian interference in the election. In
this trial, Mueller's team isn't expected to take any references
(04:20):
to the word Russians or collisions, and they haven't yet.
But the team has instead focused on manifforts to leege
its financial crime. Right, This is supposedly obviously has nothing
to do with the president. This is just something that
stemmed from the investigation and that Mueller was doing, and
they're going to catch them on all these financial crimes.
A lot of people are still saying, hey, this is
(04:42):
not about President Trump, but it is also about President Trump,
and it's just is that just because it's coming out
of the Mueller trial or people trying to look for
deeper meaning into it. It is a mix of both.
So Muller obviously has interest in Paul Manafort in his
ties to the Trunk campaign, So the trial so far
has not gotten into that connection, but it focused a
(05:03):
lot about his sending habits and very luxurious sending habits,
and how a lot of these very large expenses from
a to year bill work over three thousand dollars at
a luxury clothing store was made via wire transfers, which
were pretty unusual for purchases of such Yeah, these are
all payments that he was getting from his time working
(05:25):
with Ukraine. And yeah, as you said, prosecutors are trying
to pain him as using all this money laundering it
basically by buying these lavish suits, so much so that
the judge even said, hey, you can't show pictures of
that anymore. You can't show pictures of his closet and
everything like that, because it's not illegal to be thrown
around money exactly. And all of this is so interesting because,
(05:45):
as I mentioned earlier, he is facing charges of tax
and bank fraud and secretly keeping money in offshore accounts.
So many of these testimonies that we saw in the trial,
especially on the second day, are getting at the prosecution's
argument that Manifort could be guilty of money laundering and
possibly tax front The judge in the Manafort trial for
day two was also warning prosecutors not to use the
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term oligarchs because you don't want to paint Paul Manafort
or these other people in a bad light, like you
don't want to make it seem like he's a bad
guy coordinating with other bad guys, even though that's the
whole purpose of the prosecution's case there. Well, the judge
did say that they can't focus on the term oligarchs.
Manifests defense team did quickly place their blame on when
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a Manifest confident on Some former business partners were Gates,
who did strike a p we deal with Mueller a
few months ago and have been reportedly been cooperating ever since.
The defense that that dates flied to federal investigators about
Manifest taxes and described Maniford as a liar in their
opening statement. Right, and he figures to be very prominent
in this trial because the defense is going to paint
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it on him, basically, and the prosecution was kind of
a little wishy washy saying, oh, he might testify, he
might not testify, So they're just trying to keep everybody
on their toes with that. It seems. Someone who did
come to the witness stand was Tab Devigne, who was
Bernie Sanders's chief strategist during his twenty sixteen campaign and
worked with both Maniforts and Gates in Ukraine on a
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pro Russia political campaign. What Devigne testified was that Manifort
was in charge of that campaign and described he and
Gates as underlings, claiming that Manifort brought an American style
political sense to Ukraine. Lauren Meyer, reporter for Axios, thank
you very much for joining us. Thank you for me
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The ancestry data is like the big deal. Hopefully one
day we can put together the entire human tree, it'll
be easier for everyone to find. It's your connections. I
found out that I was actually related to African American
professor at Stanford for distant cousins. I find that fascinating
that you can be connected to these people that you
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would think you would have no connection to. Joining us
now is Xavier Harding, tech and culture writer for Mike.
We're gonna be talking about these DNA testing companies. There
was big news that happened a few months ago where
the Golden State killer was caught. They said they connected
his DNA through a DNA company specifically was g E
d Match jet Match and the circumstances are different. But
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then it really started raising questions about privacy relating to
your DNA. Just recently, a bunch of DNA testing companies,
twenty three and Me, Ancestry, Helix, my Heritage, a few others,
they all joined into an agreement to better protect your
genetic information. What do we know about that? So the
Future Privacy Forum recently put out these baseline best practice
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rule and they got the major DNA testing companies to
all sign on board. Real quick. Future of Privacy Forum
what kind of group are they. They've been monitoring a
few different areas attacks. They deal with trifles, cars, They've
dealt with DNA testing kits. They've done a few basic
recognition parts of the web that as well. They just
deal with a lot of different aspects of privacy policy
and a few of the rules that they put out.
(09:05):
They want companies to be open with users about how
their DNA is quested, used, and share. The users have
to be able to access and delete their DNA data
whenever they want, and it has to get very specific
permission from you if they want to give your genetic
info to health researchers, which we actually saw last week,
twenty three and Me did just that with g SK. Yeah,
so they joined into an agreement with that company, Glasgow
(09:28):
Smith Klein, And what they're doing is they're offering up
DNA samples so that they can go in and identify
drugs that they might be able to develop based on
people's genetic markers. So for twenty three and ME if
your genetic information is in there, very possible that this
other company is going to get to see it and
use it for their own purposes. I had emails with
(09:50):
Pointe yesterday and they were telling me that to even
be part of this, they say that you have specifically
say okay, I'm opting into having my DNA sent the
g s K. I think it's just so interesting seeing
the ways that we saw what Facebook did with our data.
When it comes to things we use a messenger that
the photos were tags in. We saw how messy that
got when the data is shared with all these different companies,
(10:12):
and how it can affect things. Thinking of how d
n A once it gets out there could be used
for good, you know with these researchers, but then possibly
for harm. We saw the law enforce for example. There
are probably examples going forward in the future that we
haven't thought of yet. What the DNA is out there,
you can't really take it back. Yeah, the tricky thing is,
and they anonymize a lot of the information before they
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share these things a lot of times. But there was
just a breach not too long ago. No like hardcore
information was shared. But still, I mean I got one
of these for Christmas. I still haven't used it, but
I got one of these for Christmas, and then all
this privacy stuff started happening. Even deleting your information from
these websites can be tricky, and they all have different
methods of doing it. Twenty three and me. You know,
(10:55):
you spin in a little tube and send your sample
and they can destroy your spit, but they can keep
your data for up to a decade. Ancestry, they won't
toss your spit out unless you specifically call them, and
you have the option of maybe deleting your data there.
Other companies will keep your stuff indefinitely. And you know,
these are things that people don't really realize when they're
just trying to find out what's in my family tree. Right. Yeah.
(11:17):
I think it's funny that you mentioned that you got
it for like the holiday season, because I talked to
Jules Paul on Newski. He's the CEO of the STF
of the Future of FIVEC before him, and he was
telling me he was seeing so many ads for these
genetic testing kit during the holidays, but what the ad
didn't talk about were like the potential privacy implication of
how it could be bad to have your DNA just
sent off into the ether. Yeah, he mentioned that, you know,
(11:40):
the deal kind of took about a year to kind
of formulate. He talked with all the major companies, and
after one year they're able to get these guidelines out there.
With regards to the opt in and opting out, I
don't know how clear they made it. Can you opt
out after a certain time. Let's say you initially started
the process and you said, Okay, use my stuff for
research is fine? Can you later opt out? With the
(12:00):
case of twenty three and me, if you go into
your settings, you can also opt out and make sure
your data is never used with these researchers, if you
so choose. And well, I was going to mention before,
is that a lot of these companies will anonymize the
data by removing your name. And I haven't really talked
to the experts about this, but I'm also I'm always
a little wary just because even though my name might
not be attached to my d n A, it's still
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my d n A, So there has to be some
kind of unique markers in there. Someone. It's kind of
a little wary. Do we know what the real danger
is of your genetic material getting out there. I mean,
like I mentioned the Golden State killer thing, and in
that case it was used for good. We're able to
track down a murderer and tie him to a crime.
Beyond that, do you we know what people are really
worried about if their genetic material gets out there. It's
(12:42):
not like people are going to be making clones of
you or anything like that. Yeah, I mean, I hope
there are no clones of me out there already. Uh No, Yeah.
I think the thing is we don't know yet the
use for law enforcement your genetic data. That doesn't happen
very very often. That can't happen, but doesn't happen often.
But I think the fact that we don't know yet.
Once gets out there, you can't take it back. There's
a danger there. I mean, when your phone number or
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if your addressed gets the leaked out into the internet,
you can change your phone or your address. If your
DNA gets out, how do you change your DNA? You
really have to read all of the privacy rules and
sometimes it's tough to understand all the legal leads that
they use in there and to understand what the wording means.
So you have to be really diligent. Well, it's good
to see that these DNA testing companies are taking proactive
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steps to establish rules and let people know about it.
Xavier Harding, tech and culture writer from Mike, thank you
very much for joining us. Thank you. If these little
cameras sense any kind of collision or any incident, it
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automatically locks that file and will record over it. Joining
us now is Mark Saltzman, tech columnists for USA Today.
So we're gonna talk about dash cams. Every time I
get into an Uber and every now and then you
see the blinking red light and I'd like to chat
my Uber drivers up every now and then I'm like, hey,
what you know? What is that? What's going on? Like, Oh,
we have these cameras. In case something happens on the ride,
(14:09):
we can always prove what happened beyond that, in case
an accident happens, we always have some type of video evidence.
So I've been seeing these all over the place, and
then I saw your article about dash cams and why
it's time to maybe get one for yourself. So what
is this all about. You're right that they are becoming
more popular. They first started to gain in popularity in
some countries where there was a lot of insurance scams.
(14:30):
There was people trying to extort money from you, including
the police. You know, you got a speeding ticket, they'll say, okay,
I won't write you a ticket, but give me fifty
bucks or whatever. Rights happened in Russia, happens in Mexico
other countries, exact, particularly in Russia. I saw a few
Wired articles where they said why everybody in Russia has
a dash cam, And it's for those exact same reasons.
You just want to protect yourself and have evidence, right,
(14:51):
Or if you smash up your car because you were drunk,
then you can say to the insurance company, oh, somebody
hit me and then they took off, and then they
tried to, you know, get them to pay out the claim.
Or they jump in front of the car and say
they were hit, or they weren't hit at all and
they were claimed they were hit. So I mean, the
list goes on and on, right from unscrupulous you know
police checks, to faking an injury or a collision so
(15:15):
they needed evidence. So these are affordable little cameras that
you mount to your windshield, your dashboard. They usually face
forward like a go pro and it's always shooting video
in a loop, a continuous loop. And if these little
cameras sense any kind of a collision or any incident,
it automatically locks that file and won't record over it.
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And then what you can do is either play it
back on usually there's a little screen, but better yet,
you can stream that video to a smartphone app or
pop out that memory card and put it into a
computer or into a TV. And then you've got evidence
of whatever happened. But keep in mind it could implicate
you too. Write these things often know how fast you're going, Mark,
I'm not doing anything bad while I'm driving. I don't
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know why you're mentioning that, right, I'll just say it's
in part to remind people that that that can be
used against you. Right, So that's the idea. And then
people started really having fun with these things. It started
capturing things like comments streaking across the sky or wildlife,
a moose or a deer right in front of your
your vehicle in Canada and barely missing you, and you've
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got this really cool memory captured with your family, so
that kind of you know, hopefully it's for people, happy
for people that upload to YouTube. A lot. I mean
you can there's potential to capture some really cool stuff.
So how much do some of these run? So they
start off at about fifty bucks. That's just for a
regular seven tw P so it's still high definition but
not the best quality out there. And some memory. Again,
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you don't really need a lot of memory because again
it records in a loop and then should there be
an incident, it usually locks it down or you can
just pop it out before it overrides it and then
you know, similar to a DVR that's tied to your
home security camera solutions, the same idea. Is that a
standard thing for these cameras, the incident marker when it's
take something, Okay, that's that's actually it's it's a cheap
(17:02):
sensor that a lot of the dash cam manufacturers put
in there. Not all of them have it. You're gonna
want to look for that. It's often called a G sensor.
Look for that on the box or on the website
if you're buying one off Amazon or wherever. So that's
a good feature to have, but it's pretty common. Prices
start at about fifty bucks. It's a d I y thing.
In most cases, you can hire a service to tuck
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the wires into your vehicle, for example that where you're
you know, often they require power. Sometimes they have a
little bit of battery life, but you do want to
plug them into your car, so it'll take power from
the car's battery. So it could be plugged into like
a cigarette lighter at twelve adapter or into a USB port.
But you want to tuck those cables so it's nice
and clean. You don't want to you know, the spaghetti cables.
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I mean, they may want to hire a service to
do it. I've seen some that just hang right off
of your rear view mirror. Even it's like a little
medallion type camera. So I've seen some very simple setups
and some more elaborate sets. Some of the cool features
that some of these even have is a thing called
like parking mode. So as you said, these things have
the sensors when something gets hit or grazed. So even
if the car is off and it senses something, the
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parking model kick in and start the video. So if
somebody's trying to break in the car, or somebody just
hit your car in the parking lot of the grocery store,
you might be able to catch something there as well,
and in some of the models, you can actually look
in on an app remotely, so you could be walking
around a mall and all of a sudden, you're smartphone
buzzes and you look at it and it shows you
the video footage of someone trying to break into your
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car or someone hitting your car and then taking off,
and you've got the license plate now captured. So they
just consume less power in this mode. But if it
detects vibration, it wakes up, if you will, and then
starts recording. With some of the models, it faces forward,
and if it detects that you're driving faster than the
vehicle in front of you, it will alert the driver
with lights or sounds to say, hey, slow down because
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the guy in front of you isn't driving as fast.
So a lot of the cars today have that built in,
this collision detection. But now some dash cams have that
feature too. I've been wanting to get one of these
actually for a little bit, only because I recently had
somebody cracked my headlight. But you know, I wasn't in there.
My car was parked and I never got to see anything.
But you know, if I might have had something like
(19:11):
this and maybe I would have been able to catch
the person or not. A lot of them have that
parking mode, so definitely look for that if that's a
feature that interests you. Mark Saltzman, Tech columnists for USA Today,
thank you very much for joining us. Thanks for having me.
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It's Thursday, August two, and this is the daily Dive.
President Trump took to Twitter again to rail against the
Robert Mueller investigation and also the trial against his former
campaign chairman Paul Maniford. The President was calling on Attorney
General Jeff Sessions to end the witch hunt before it
(00:21):
stains the country any further. Lauren Meyer, reporter for Axios,
joins us to talk about Trump's call to end the
Mueller probe and Paul Manaforts trial next. As more people
are submitting their genetic data to DNA testing companies, questions
about how long companies can keep your data, and more importantly,
what they do with your data keep popping up. Some
(00:43):
of the top DNA testing companies have all agreed to
new rules on how to best handle your information. Xavier Harding,
tech writer for Mike, joins us for more on how
these companies are managing your data. Finally, it might be
time to get a dash camp for your car. Mark Saltzman,
tech calumnists for USA Today, tells us why the time
may be right to install one in your vehicle. It
(01:05):
just might provide the right evidence in a car accident.
It could protect you from a scam and you might
just enjoy the footage if you catch something fun. It's
news without the noise. Let's dive in the President stating
his opinion. Um, it's not in order, but he's been,
I think, crystal clear about how he feels about this
(01:25):
investigation from the beginning. There's a reason that the President
is angry, and frankly, most of America is angry as well,
and there's no reason he shouldn't be able to voice that.
Up Here joining us now is Lauren Meyer, reporter for Axios.
The President fired off a series of tweets railing against
the Mueller probe and even called on Attorney General Jeff
Sessions to end the probe. Now he's calling it the
(01:48):
rigged witch hunt? What else did he say? This isn't
the first time that he sent a message like to
find twitter. In fact, Trumps repeatedly pressured Sessions to end
the investigation on at least four occasions, and in this
latest tweet, the President told Session first of all, to
any investigation quote before it continues, staying our country any further,
and went on to call Bob Mueller quote totally confused.
(02:10):
After this tweet was sent out, the White House quickly
went on the defense, with both the president's lawyer Rudy
Giuliani and pre Secretary Paris Sanders saying that the tweet
wasn't in order from the president, just him expressing his
personal opinion. But between the lions, here are sources police
here at Axios that this isn't a directive to Sessions.
More likely, this is just a part of the broader
(02:32):
effort to beat up on Mueller, trying to smear him
and erode his credibility, and you trump power over his
base to move them against the probe. Right, And there
was already reports saying that Mueller was going to be
looking into the president's tweets as possible evidence of obstruction
and things like that, and we kind of already went
through this. The problem is that we've already established that
(02:54):
the president's tweets are often times official White House statements.
So there's that kind of confusion when is it an opinion,
when is it an official statement? And I think a
lot of people were trying to jump on that today. Absolutely,
and this is something that many people have dubbed the
president's tweets being official statement. So this is really a
pickle that the White House has been in since the
(03:14):
President took office and has fired off a lot of
these very damning tweets towards many people in his own administration.
The other thing that the President tweeted about was Paul Manaford,
who's going through trial right now on a series of charges.
He tweeted that Paul Manaford worked for Ronald Reagan Bob Dole,
and uh, why didn't the government tell me that he
was under an investigation, calling the probe a hoax again,
(03:36):
and then even said who's been treated worse? Al Capone
or Paul Manaford political operative and Reagan Dole Darling. So
he's like, where is the Russian collusion? But Paul Manaford
is on trial right now for a range of charges.
What's going on with Paul Maniford, Paul man Trump's former
campaign manager. He's facing churches of tax and bank fraud
in relation to the laundering of thirty million dollars an income,
(04:00):
acting as an unregistered foreign agent, lying to authorities, and
obstruction of justice. And this trial is the first of
Special Counsel Thought Mueller's investigation into the Trump campaign and
it's possible ties to Russian interference in the election. In
this trial, Mueller's team isn't expected to take any references
(04:20):
to the word Russians or collisions, and they haven't yet.
But the team has instead focused on manifforts to leege
its financial crime. Right, This is supposedly obviously has nothing
to do with the president. This is just something that
stemmed from the investigation and that Mueller was doing, and
they're going to catch them on all these financial crimes.
A lot of people are still saying, hey, this is
(04:42):
not about President Trump, but it is also about President Trump,
and it's just is that just because it's coming out
of the Mueller trial or people trying to look for
deeper meaning into it. It is a mix of both.
So Muller obviously has interest in Paul Manafort in his
ties to the Trunk campaign, So the trial so far
has not gotten into that connection, but it focused a
(05:03):
lot about his sending habits and very luxurious sending habits,
and how a lot of these very large expenses from
a to year bill work over three thousand dollars at
a luxury clothing store was made via wire transfers, which
were pretty unusual for purchases of such Yeah, these are
all payments that he was getting from his time working
(05:25):
with Ukraine. And yeah, as you said, prosecutors are trying
to pain him as using all this money laundering it
basically by buying these lavish suits, so much so that
the judge even said, hey, you can't show pictures of
that anymore. You can't show pictures of his closet and
everything like that, because it's not illegal to be thrown
around money exactly. And all of this is so interesting because,
(05:45):
as I mentioned earlier, he is facing charges of tax
and bank fraud and secretly keeping money in offshore accounts.
So many of these testimonies that we saw in the trial,
especially on the second day, are getting at the prosecution's
argument that Manifort could be guilty of money laundering and
possibly tax front The judge in the Manafort trial for
day two was also warning prosecutors not to use the
(06:08):
term oligarchs because you don't want to paint Paul Manafort
or these other people in a bad light, like you
don't want to make it seem like he's a bad
guy coordinating with other bad guys, even though that's the
whole purpose of the prosecution's case there. Well, the judge
did say that they can't focus on the term oligarchs.
Manifests defense team did quickly place their blame on when
(06:30):
a Manifest confident on Some former business partners were Gates,
who did strike a p we deal with Mueller a
few months ago and have been reportedly been cooperating ever since.
The defense that that dates flied to federal investigators about
Manifest taxes and described Maniford as a liar in their
opening statement. Right, and he figures to be very prominent
in this trial because the defense is going to paint
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it on him, basically, and the prosecution was kind of
a little wishy washy saying, oh, he might testify, he
might not testify, So they're just trying to keep everybody
on their toes with that. It seems. Someone who did
come to the witness stand was Tab Devigne, who was
Bernie Sanders's chief strategist during his twenty sixteen campaign and
worked with both Maniforts and Gates in Ukraine on a
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pro Russia political campaign. What Devigne testified was that Manifort
was in charge of that campaign and described he and
Gates as underlings, claiming that Manifort brought an American style
political sense to Ukraine. Lauren Meyer, reporter for Axios, thank
you very much for joining us. Thank you for me
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The ancestry data is like the big deal. Hopefully one
day we can put together the entire human tree, it'll
be easier for everyone to find. It's your connections. I
found out that I was actually related to African American
professor at Stanford for distant cousins. I find that fascinating
that you can be connected to these people that you
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would think you would have no connection to. Joining us
now is Xavier Harding, tech and culture writer for Mike.
We're gonna be talking about these DNA testing companies. There
was big news that happened a few months ago where
the Golden State killer was caught. They said they connected
his DNA through a DNA company specifically was g E
d Match jet Match and the circumstances are different. But
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then it really started raising questions about privacy relating to
your DNA. Just recently, a bunch of DNA testing companies,
twenty three and Me, Ancestry, Helix, my Heritage, a few others,
they all joined into an agreement to better protect your
genetic information. What do we know about that? So the
Future Privacy Forum recently put out these baseline best practice
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rule and they got the major DNA testing companies to
all sign on board. Real quick. Future of Privacy Forum
what kind of group are they. They've been monitoring a
few different areas attacks. They deal with trifles, cars, They've
dealt with DNA testing kits. They've done a few basic
recognition parts of the web that as well. They just
deal with a lot of different aspects of privacy policy
and a few of the rules that they put out.
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They want companies to be open with users about how
their DNA is quested, used, and share. The users have
to be able to access and delete their DNA data
whenever they want, and it has to get very specific
permission from you if they want to give your genetic
info to health researchers, which we actually saw last week,
twenty three and Me did just that with g SK. Yeah,
so they joined into an agreement with that company, Glasgow
(09:28):
Smith Klein, And what they're doing is they're offering up
DNA samples so that they can go in and identify
drugs that they might be able to develop based on
people's genetic markers. So for twenty three and ME if
your genetic information is in there, very possible that this
other company is going to get to see it and
use it for their own purposes. I had emails with
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Pointe yesterday and they were telling me that to even
be part of this, they say that you have specifically
say okay, I'm opting into having my DNA sent the
g s K. I think it's just so interesting seeing
the ways that we saw what Facebook did with our data.
When it comes to things we use a messenger that
the photos were tags in. We saw how messy that
got when the data is shared with all these different companies,
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and how it can affect things. Thinking of how d
n A once it gets out there could be used
for good, you know with these researchers, but then possibly
for harm. We saw the law enforce for example. There
are probably examples going forward in the future that we
haven't thought of yet. What the DNA is out there,
you can't really take it back. Yeah, the tricky thing is,
and they anonymize a lot of the information before they
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share these things a lot of times. But there was
just a breach not too long ago. No like hardcore
information was shared. But still, I mean I got one
of these for Christmas. I still haven't used it, but
I got one of these for Christmas, and then all
this privacy stuff started happening. Even deleting your information from
these websites can be tricky, and they all have different
methods of doing it. Twenty three and me. You know,
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you spin in a little tube and send your sample
and they can destroy your spit, but they can keep
your data for up to a decade. Ancestry, they won't
toss your spit out unless you specifically call them, and
you have the option of maybe deleting your data there.
Other companies will keep your stuff indefinitely. And you know,
these are things that people don't really realize when they're
just trying to find out what's in my family tree. Right. Yeah.
(11:17):
I think it's funny that you mentioned that you got
it for like the holiday season, because I talked to
Jules Paul on Newski. He's the CEO of the STF
of the Future of FIVEC before him, and he was
telling me he was seeing so many ads for these
genetic testing kit during the holidays, but what the ad
didn't talk about were like the potential privacy implication of
how it could be bad to have your DNA just
sent off into the ether. Yeah, he mentioned that, you know,
(11:40):
the deal kind of took about a year to kind
of formulate. He talked with all the major companies, and
after one year they're able to get these guidelines out there.
With regards to the opt in and opting out, I
don't know how clear they made it. Can you opt
out after a certain time. Let's say you initially started
the process and you said, Okay, use my stuff for
research is fine? Can you later opt out? With the
(12:00):
case of twenty three and me, if you go into
your settings, you can also opt out and make sure
your data is never used with these researchers, if you
so choose. And well, I was going to mention before,
is that a lot of these companies will anonymize the
data by removing your name. And I haven't really talked
to the experts about this, but I'm also I'm always
a little wary just because even though my name might
not be attached to my d n A, it's still
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my d n A, So there has to be some
kind of unique markers in there. Someone. It's kind of
a little wary. Do we know what the real danger
is of your genetic material getting out there. I mean,
like I mentioned the Golden State killer thing, and in
that case it was used for good. We're able to
track down a murderer and tie him to a crime.
Beyond that, do you we know what people are really
worried about if their genetic material gets out there. It's
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not like people are going to be making clones of
you or anything like that. Yeah, I mean, I hope
there are no clones of me out there already. Uh No, Yeah.
I think the thing is we don't know yet the
use for law enforcement your genetic data. That doesn't happen
very very often. That can't happen, but doesn't happen often.
But I think the fact that we don't know yet.
Once gets out there, you can't take it back. There's
a danger there. I mean, when your phone number or
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if your addressed gets the leaked out into the internet,
you can change your phone or your address. If your
DNA gets out, how do you change your DNA? You
really have to read all of the privacy rules and
sometimes it's tough to understand all the legal leads that
they use in there and to understand what the wording means.
So you have to be really diligent. Well, it's good
to see that these DNA testing companies are taking proactive
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steps to establish rules and let people know about it.
Xavier Harding, tech and culture writer from Mike, thank you
very much for joining us. Thank you. If these little
cameras sense any kind of collision or any incident, it
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automatically locks that file and will record over it. Joining
us now is Mark Saltzman, tech columnists for USA Today.
So we're gonna talk about dash cams. Every time I
get into an Uber and every now and then you
see the blinking red light and I'd like to chat
my Uber drivers up every now and then I'm like, hey,
what you know? What is that? What's going on? Like, Oh,
we have these cameras. In case something happens on the ride,
(14:09):
we can always prove what happened beyond that, in case
an accident happens, we always have some type of video evidence.
So I've been seeing these all over the place, and
then I saw your article about dash cams and why
it's time to maybe get one for yourself. So what
is this all about. You're right that they are becoming
more popular. They first started to gain in popularity in
some countries where there was a lot of insurance scams.
(14:30):
There was people trying to extort money from you, including
the police. You know, you got a speeding ticket, they'll say, okay,
I won't write you a ticket, but give me fifty
bucks or whatever. Rights happened in Russia, happens in Mexico
other countries, exact, particularly in Russia. I saw a few
Wired articles where they said why everybody in Russia has
a dash cam, And it's for those exact same reasons.
You just want to protect yourself and have evidence, right,
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Or if you smash up your car because you were drunk,
then you can say to the insurance company, oh, somebody
hit me and then they took off, and then they
tried to, you know, get them to pay out the claim.
Or they jump in front of the car and say
they were hit, or they weren't hit at all and
they were claimed they were hit. So I mean, the
list goes on and on, right from unscrupulous you know
police checks, to faking an injury or a collision so
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they needed evidence. So these are affordable little cameras that
you mount to your windshield, your dashboard. They usually face
forward like a go pro and it's always shooting video
in a loop, a continuous loop. And if these little
cameras sense any kind of a collision or any incident,
it automatically locks that file and won't record over it.
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And then what you can do is either play it
back on usually there's a little screen, but better yet,
you can stream that video to a smartphone app or
pop out that memory card and put it into a
computer or into a TV. And then you've got evidence
of whatever happened. But keep in mind it could implicate
you too. Write these things often know how fast you're going, Mark,
I'm not doing anything bad while I'm driving. I don't
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know why you're mentioning that, right, I'll just say it's
in part to remind people that that that can be
used against you. Right, So that's the idea. And then
people started really having fun with these things. It started
capturing things like comments streaking across the sky or wildlife,
a moose or a deer right in front of your
your vehicle in Canada and barely missing you, and you've
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got this really cool memory captured with your family, so
that kind of you know, hopefully it's for people, happy
for people that upload to YouTube. A lot. I mean
you can there's potential to capture some really cool stuff.
So how much do some of these run? So they
start off at about fifty bucks. That's just for a
regular seven tw P so it's still high definition but
not the best quality out there. And some memory. Again,
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you don't really need a lot of memory because again
it records in a loop and then should there be
an incident, it usually locks it down or you can
just pop it out before it overrides it and then
you know, similar to a DVR that's tied to your
home security camera solutions, the same idea. Is that a
standard thing for these cameras, the incident marker when it's
take something, Okay, that's that's actually it's it's a cheap
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sensor that a lot of the dash cam manufacturers put
in there. Not all of them have it. You're gonna
want to look for that. It's often called a G sensor.
Look for that on the box or on the website
if you're buying one off Amazon or wherever. So that's
a good feature to have, but it's pretty common. Prices
start at about fifty bucks. It's a d I y thing.
In most cases, you can hire a service to tuck
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the wires into your vehicle, for example that where you're
you know, often they require power. Sometimes they have a
little bit of battery life, but you do want to
plug them into your car, so it'll take power from
the car's battery. So it could be plugged into like
a cigarette lighter at twelve adapter or into a USB port.
But you want to tuck those cables so it's nice
and clean. You don't want to you know, the spaghetti cables.
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I mean, they may want to hire a service to
do it. I've seen some that just hang right off
of your rear view mirror. Even it's like a little
medallion type camera. So I've seen some very simple setups
and some more elaborate sets. Some of the cool features
that some of these even have is a thing called
like parking mode. So as you said, these things have
the sensors when something gets hit or grazed. So even
if the car is off and it senses something, the
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parking model kick in and start the video. So if
somebody's trying to break in the car, or somebody just
hit your car in the parking lot of the grocery store,
you might be able to catch something there as well,
and in some of the models, you can actually look
in on an app remotely, so you could be walking
around a mall and all of a sudden, you're smartphone
buzzes and you look at it and it shows you
the video footage of someone trying to break into your
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car or someone hitting your car and then taking off,
and you've got the license plate now captured. So they
just consume less power in this mode. But if it
detects vibration, it wakes up, if you will, and then
starts recording. With some of the models, it faces forward,
and if it detects that you're driving faster than the
vehicle in front of you, it will alert the driver
with lights or sounds to say, hey, slow down because
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the guy in front of you isn't driving as fast.
So a lot of the cars today have that built in,
this collision detection. But now some dash cams have that
feature too. I've been wanting to get one of these
actually for a little bit, only because I recently had
somebody cracked my headlight. But you know, I wasn't in there.
My car was parked and I never got to see anything.
But you know, if I might have had something like
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this and maybe I would have been able to catch
the person or not. A lot of them have that
parking mode, so definitely look for that if that's a
feature that interests you. Mark Saltzman, Tech columnists for USA Today,
thank you very much for joining us. Thanks for having me.
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