May 8, 2024 • 31 mins
Golf Smarter host, Fred Greene, joins Chris today to share his favorite stories from years of podcasts. They also talk the latest golf tech and the podcast origin story.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad podcast with Chris Finn,
a production of P for S Golf.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm your host, Chris Finn, and today I'm excited to
have a guest with me who actually, early on before
I didn't even really know what a podcast was. This
guy was generous enough to actually have me on his podcast,
so it is a multiple times, it's an absolute honor
to have Fred Green with me. For those of you
who may have been living under a rock, his show,
(00:31):
Golf Smarter is literally probably one of the first podcasts
I think it was two thousand and five, basically a
pioneer in the space of golf podcasting. Talks about everything
from course management, strategy, tips, drills, advice, insights from professionals.
Yours truly got the opportunity to be on there. But Fred,
it is an absolute honor to have you on the
(00:51):
show today.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Thanks so much for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, Chris, it's an absolute honor to be on your show.
You've been on Golf Smarter three times since twenty eighteen,
and each time I walk away with something like, oh,
I didn't know that I needed to know that. That's good.
So congratulations on and welcome to the podcast space. I
was not the first golf podcast there. There were a
(01:16):
couple of other when others when I arrived and.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What was the landscape like when when you came.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I must say I'm the only one still standing.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
That was going to I would take that bet to
the house. I can't imagine. There's many other shows.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The longest running golf podcast with close tonight this this
We're getting real close to nine hundred and fifty episodes, jeez,
every week.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Hey, so for and this is totally a selfish question.
We've never actually I've never actually gotten ask you like
how did you get into the podcast thing?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Like how like how do you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Get into something that you know almost twenty years later
now where you know you're still doing it? Like what
was the path that brought you there? And you know,
I just love to hear kind of the origin story
on that.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, the how is interesting. The why is even more.
It's like, why are we still doing this after that long?
What is the point? But the how was What's interesting
about this is that I feel like I've been podcasting
my whole life. I started doing audio production when I
was a teenager, and then I was in radio, and
(02:19):
then I did a national radio syndication, and then I
was independent and doing corporate audio. And so for me,
I'm doing what I've always done. The difference is distribution.
That's really the only difference, you know. When I, like
I said, I did a national radio syndication trying to
(02:40):
get it on radio stations across country, I was a
dist hockey. My wife and I met working in rock
and roll radio in San Francisco in the seventies. That's awesome, right,
I could see your head spinning right now, all the
things going, oh wow, it San Francisco in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, that's all true. A lot more questions just came.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, it's all true. Just run with it, right. And
so when podcasting happened, yes, my dog is barking if
you can hear it. When podcasting started to happen in
early two thousand and five, I was trying to develop
a golf video idea and it was just when the
(03:24):
iPod came out with iPod video. Now, when I started
the podcast, it was a year and a half before
the iPhone came out. Wow, So I would call yeah.
So I would call golf instructors and mainly call golf
courses because I was trying to create this video. I figured, well,
I'm not having a lot of traction getting into golf
(03:46):
courses with this idea. Maybe if I just told them
that I'm going to do an infomercial about them and
put it on the internet, I would get some more reaction.
So that's what I did. I started calling golf courses.
And I had just finished the books in Golf by
doctor Joe Parent, and I'm like, you know. I talked
to a friend of mine who was already in the
(04:07):
podcast space but on the tech side. Okay, very very
popular golf tech podcast, and I said, you know, how
do I start with a podcast? And he said, get
somebody big name. So like, okay, So I called Joe
Parent and I said, would you mind being on my podcast?
And like everybody in those days, when I said I'd
(04:29):
like to do a podcast with you and put it
on iTunes, they had two questions, what's a podcast and
what's iTunes?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That is?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That is that is wildly familiar to when I started
doing the golf fitness stuff back in twenty eleven, twelve
and they'd say, well.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Wait, what do you do golf? Golf? What what is
that right?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Golf fitness? Yeah, like you mean like working out a
golf course.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's so funny. So yeah. So then
so from there so they it just took.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It, and I started getting emails from people all over
the world saying, I really am enjoying your content, but
this golf course you're talking about, I don't really I'm
never going to play there, so can you talk about
other things? And I'm like, well, it's gaining some tractions,
so I'm just start talking to golf instructors because honestly,
(05:27):
I didn't start playing golf until let's see, I was
in my early forties, okay, and my kid went to
a camp, a golf camp in the summer, and he
came home one day and said, hey, you don't want
to know what I learned at golf camp today. He
was twelve, And I said, yeah, would you learn He said,
golf etiquette? I'm like, wait, wait, you learned about etiquette?
(05:49):
Because yeah, can I show you? And I said, I'd
love for you to show me. Please. We went out
to the local golf course where his camp was, and
I got hooked. I was just like, Wow, this is
this is great. Now I knew golf was there. I
had been involved in sports marketing for twenty years, and
in nineteen ninety four I actually had my business out
at the Ryder Cup in Chester, New York, and I'm like, yeah,
(06:14):
I don't know, you know, And so I just got hooked.
And when the podcast started to happen, I figured this
is going to be a great way to get free
golf lessons if I just talked to it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Smoking like somebody truly bit by the golf bug.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Right right. I don't want to take lessons, I don't
want to interact with it, but I love to talk
to people about this. So I just started interviewing instructors
and really focusing on the mental game. Because my approach
was from the very beginning it was I believe that
you can lower your scores faster if you work on
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course management, strategy and the mental part of the game.
Then if you just focus on swing mechanics. And every
instructor I've talked to said, yep, that's true, that's true.
So I talked to a lot of golf psychologists, you know,
sports psychologists, and it's really gone beyond that to you know,
(07:15):
hypnotists and professors of psychology and of physiology. And I
can't tell you how many places gone that I never
would have guessed.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But what And so when you think about that whole,
that whole, like I guess the wide breath of people
that you've gotten to speak to.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I mean, what are like? Who are like a couple
of your like?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I guess most interesting and we'll go to questions if
you think of a couple of most interesting or I
guess things that you never would have guessed, but you know,
surprising maybe is a better word. And then I guess
any kind of that have been your favorites over the years.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well, there's there's two things. So you know, there's golf instruction,
which is always helpful, and then there's great stories, which
I'm always seeking out. I came from media, right, I
was trained as a recording engineer. I worked in radio,
I studied radio in college and all that stuff. So
this has always been my thing. So as far as instruction,
(08:18):
there was one instructor that we had. I think he
was on the show like twelve or thirteen times between
twenty ten and twenty eighteen when he passed away. And
his name was Tony Manzoni. And Tony was the coach
of the College of the Desert golf team, which is
a community college in Coachella Valley, which is Palm Springs basically.
(08:43):
And Tony was an amazing instructor. And every single time
he was on the show, I would get more emails
from people saying, how do I get to that guy?
How do I learn more? Where do I find him?
And Tony, like I said, passed away in twenty eighteen.
He was in his early eighties when he passed away.
He had written a book called The Lost Fundamental and
(09:05):
the book was out of print. It had just run
its course and he never reprinted it. And then he
created a video. He printed some DVDs at the time
and those ran out as well. And once he passed away,
and because of the reaction that I always got from
the audience, once he passed away, the author of the book,
(09:26):
who I found. Together, we went to Tony's widow and
asked if we can get the book back in print
and make it available on Kindle, which we did, and
can we make that video available online? So each year
since then, since twenty nineteen, was the anniversary of him
(09:50):
passing away. I start each golf season in March by
playing Tony's episodes in a row on you know we
I do. I do new episodes on Tuesdays and then
I do past episodes on Fridays. Initially we were calling
(10:10):
it Golf Smarter Mulligans, and it was and it was
a separate podcast, but just recently we folded it into
Golf Smarter. So now that if you subscribe to Golf
Smarter from wherever you get your podcasts, it's on. It's
on twice a week. And we've been doing Tony and
offering people the video and all they have to do is,
(10:34):
you know, they can purchase the video if they'd like,
but we offer a free version as well, and and
all they have to do is become one of our
Golf Smarter Ambassadors and the way to become a Golf
Smarter Ambassador. And been doing this for a couple of
years now. Then over one hundred of these. I have
listeners introduce each episode. And I learned that from Radio
(10:57):
Lab listening to the podcast. They have their listeners. So
what I do is have the listeners say Hi, this
is Fred Green, and I listen, no Hi, This is
Fred Green from the Vado, California, and I play at
Rooster Run golf Course. This is Golf Smarter number nine
hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And so people from all over the world. I get
Australia and Sweden and UK and Canada and recently Brazil.
You know, people from all over the world saying where
they're from and where they play and introducing an episode.
So that that's been really cool. So this is the
longest answer, So yeah, thank you. Tony is one of
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the favorites that we always had. I've had got Jim
waldron teachers out of Oregon. He's been on the show
maybe thirty times. He loves to try to make up numbers.
Then there's many teachers that I've had on multiple times
that have been phenomenal, including Doctor Joe Parent. Episode number
one was Doctor Joe Parent. And that's the thing about
(12:03):
my podcast that I think is that it creates value,
is that episode one is just as valuable today as
it was in two thousand and five when we released
it because it's golf instruction, right. So many other podcasts
talk about the PGA Tour, which, by the time my
show comes out on Tuesday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's old news exactly. Yeah, the news cycles run.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, and plus I don't have the resources. I don't
have Golf Channel. I don't have a ESPN to an
NBC to go out and report for me and report back.
I've interviewed people from those places. Recently, Matt Janella from
the Golf Channel was on, Oh he's great, but he.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Guy plays more golf at more different places.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I know, I know and so and I've had Bob
Costas on and I've had Dave Pels on. You know,
I've had some big names. So that's one element of
the show. But I have a serious case of add
so I can't do the same topic every weekh So
(13:08):
the other thing I love, and some of my favorite
have been some of the golf stories that we've had.
And my all time favorite golf story was this young
man in his early twenties, lived in San Francisco. Was
not born in the United States, but you know, moved
here early with his parents when he was a young
man and loved golf. Was an okay golfer, but not great,
(13:33):
maybe made a handicap, but he really wanted to play
in an open championship. Some Countries open and he's like,
how am I going to do this? And he figured
it out because he had an European passport, he was
able to do this. He snuck into and played in
the North Korean open. Oh right, And so it's a
(13:56):
great episode. It's a fascinating story. He tells some really
outrageous things about what happened to him, like first he
flew to China and then he flew to North Korea.
And while he's on the plane between North China and
North Korea, he feels this head over his shoulder looking
at him, trying to read, you know, like following what
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he's doing. It's like, oh this is this is for
really right? And he gets there and he's told you're
not allowed to take pictures on holes four through seven.
Any other time you can take pictures, but not holes
through it four through seven and it's like why not,
you just can't. And he has a handler there that's
(14:39):
that's you know, who greeted him at the airport and
to started giving him the rules. And he's walking down
the fairway at number five and there's people in the
bushes with binoculars. He's like, oh, this is they're serious
about and then after the I think the second or
third round, he was playing pretty well, excited second or
(15:02):
third round, he goes back to his hotel room and
he goes to open the safe in his hotel room
to take out his wallet and whatnot, and he can't
open the safe. And he tries again and again and
he can't open the safe. So he goes to his
handler and says, I can't get inside my safe to
(15:23):
get my stuff out. And she said, what are you hiding?
It's like what why do you need to put things
in a safe? And he's, Oh, in the United States
where I live now, it's just a regular thing. You
go to a hotel, you put stuff in there just
to keep it safe so somebody doesn't walk in and
(15:43):
take it. She goes, all right, that's a good answer.
We'll get it open for you. It's like, oh, man.
So he goes into the final day of this of
the tournament. He's in second place and there's guy two
strokes ahead of him, Japanese gentleman. Gets to the eighteenth
hole and they're tied, and he freaks out and he
(16:09):
has he's like, I can't win this thing. I don't
know what would happen if I did so, yeah, you
got an eight on the eighteenth hole, him in second place,
and came home and went right back to work. And
I talked to him about this a few years after
he had done this, and I was like, have you
(16:32):
ever told anybody the story? He's like, no, So what
do you mean the press has never asked you about this?
He'm like no, so why not? He goes, I don't know.
I just never told anybody. I just went back to work.
That's like, we have an exclusive here on this story.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Crazy. Yeah, so that's amazing. What are you hiding, sir?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And then there's the story of the sixty two year
old guy who was playing golf with somebodies and one
of the people in his group that he had just
met was the local college golf coach, you know, the
community college. And he had a great day that day,
and the guy said, hey, yay, you have any college
eligibility left. He goes, as a matter of fact, I
(17:17):
played baseball in college and got injured, so yeah, I'm
still eligibly. He goes, you want to be on our team?
Like what, yeah, you can be on our golf team. Okay,
I can do that. What he didn't realize is yeah,
this guy was an insurance salesman. He didn't realize, I wow,
I have to take classes school, Like I don't want
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to do that. So he had to take classes. And
they're on the road trip once and he wanted to
go out and you know, get something to drink, have
some dinner. So he went knocked on one of the
kids doors, goes, hey, you want to go out and
have beer and have some dinner. And he goes, I'm
not old enough to have beer, and I've got homework
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to do, Like what did I get myself into. Well,
those are the kind of stories that I just, you know,
run the gamut. But you know, recently did an episode
on and how to Get out of the Bunker, you know,
tips and vice and in the myths of playing a
bunker play and I did another one in Short Games.
So again, I run the gamut just so we can
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all learn to be better, smarter golfers.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's funny when you mentioned the guy playing with the
college coach I had. We had a player that we
work with who was going to University North Carolina now,
but he was in the his recruitment process and so
he invited me down.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
To play it.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And he lived down in Pinehurst, and so go down
there and he goes, hey, you come down to play that.
You know, the coaches are going to become watching, and so,
you know, jokingly, I'm like, I'm like, oh, yeah, well,
we better hope I don't play too well.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
They may recruit me.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So I could go out and think I shot shot
right around even par I looked at the yeah, number four,
And so I looked at the coaches. I say, you know,
I coach, you know I got a year of eligibility
after basketball, and he looks at me.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
He goes, he goes, yeah, you're about eight strokes off. Wow. Wow,
it was.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It was so eye opening to me of like the
difference of high level Division one men's golf and just
even like the quality of the ball. You know, I
got lucky in a couple you know, they hit a
maybe they hit a rock and bounced in or whatever,
and it's like, yeah, it's like, now you're not hitting
it on a rope. Pretty much every single time, we're
not interested. It was pretty funny. So I gave the
(19:33):
kid that I was playing with the game of my
hard time. I was like, how was that you know,
I only lost to you by like three, and I said,
I don't even get a look.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
That's not cool.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
That's one thing that's been impressed upon me by many
instructors that even the club champion, you know, at a
country club, this guy could be a plus one or
two couldn't compete with a PGA tour player, not even close.
Completely different thing.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
But that's why I said to everybody, it's like difference
between so I'm a scratch scratch player, like different from
me to a fifteen or even a twenty. It's so
much farther than from me to one of my tour guys,
Like it's not even close.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, I think the Yeah, I agree with you. Are
you familiar with Proteus? Have you seen yet?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Okay, uh it's it's uh a piece of equipment that
gives three D resistance training.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I was Proteus with a t e U s okay,
I thought you yes, yeah us, Yes, yeah, yep, it's
a big arm.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yes seen it?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yes? Yes, oh okay, and what do you think? Because
I did it? I tested it last week and I'm
actually interviewing the CEO next week, so I'm curious to know,
I think any I mean that's from your perspective, what
you know, if.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
You yeah, yeah, if you have the this is why
I love going talking with your friend. But this is
like I think, you know the to me, if you
have the funds to have that in a gym, like,
it's incredible the data that feedback it can give you
in terms of force output and you know multi vectors
and you know planes of motion and all those sorts
of things. I think the the challenge for most people
(21:14):
just be access right, and that's where you know, we
have a we have like friend, We have a similar
thing at p Fors where we have like flywheels for example,
which you know, we did a lot of research and
you get a one hundred and fifty percent faster gaining
clubbed speed until the six to you know, six to
ten weeks than you would if you just did regular
band training.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
But you would provide the data.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Oh yeah, it gives you.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's got a lot of bluetooth, it gives you outputs
and then ultimately we care about does it translate to
clubbed speed or something all specific. And but then even
with that and that's only probably a they just came
out with the mobile unit. It's probably twenty five hundred bucks,
but like you can't you're not You're not going to
find that at the y m c A or the
Plant Planet Fitness down the road or like right, So
(21:57):
there's there's definitely there's a lot of really cool technology
that's come on. I think to me, actually, I'm going
to flip this back on you and all the interviews
that you do. If you've seen like so absolutely got
the proteus is coming on for you, like have you
seen any other really cool technology out there? And or
even it might be like stuff that maybe was really
cool and kind of hard to get like ten years ago,
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like three D motion capture was really hard to get to,
you know, three ten years ago, and now you've got
like KVES going out of business because it's being replaced
by marker lists and AI And I mean you have
to have seen quite the evolution of technology.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I would imagine over the last.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I have definitely seen things come and go. There's I
just love when you like go to a PGA show
or something with all these new products being introduced and
you're like, dude, do not give up your day job
for thinking the.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Entire back quarter rows of all these people like you're like,
you got a new tea.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, boy, no.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
No, it's not a career. Although I do have to
say the flight path golf tees are really awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I haven't seen those. What's the rest of those?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So the flight path golf tees was designed by a
structural engineer whose dad is an inventor, and he's like, yeah,
let's just work on this together. So the tee, So
most t's are like a little cup, right, but that
tea when you put it in a cup, it creates
resistance on the ball going forward. And this is open
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if you can see, it's open, and it gives you
this arrow here so you can point where you want
to place. You know what direction you want to all
ago right, and then it has no resistance forward, so
it creates less spin, which you want. And I saw
these online thought well that's an interesting thing. I'm going
(23:55):
to try that, and I bought a box and it
took me a boxes eight eight of these tea's and
it took me almost a year to go through the eight.
They're really destructed. Yeah, it's just the worst part is
when you hit a nice te shot with your driver
and the tea flies around and you stand there looking
for your tea and your force Fred come, would you
(24:17):
what are you doing? I'm looking for my tea. It's
a tea. No, it's a mass yeah right yeah, no, no, no, no,
you got guys come back here and help me find
my Oh my god. So anyway, I went through a box,
I bought another box. I'm going and these are legit.
I mean, I'm hitting the balls trader and farther every time.
And then when it came to the third box, I'm going,
(24:39):
I'm going to track these guys down. I need to
interview them because I'm fascinated, and did the full interview
and now we're giving them away to our Golf Smarter
Ambassadors if they want it.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That's amazing, right awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
So so yeah, I've seen lots of things come and go. Uh.
I think that the the greatest find that I the
two really big finds that I've had I feel like
that I've helped discover was the square squares golf seat. Yeah,
Robert Winsquiz, I jumped on that early on. There was
(25:12):
another one, actually Game Golf, which is no longer around,
but it turned into arcos It's one of those things
I found way early on and was fascinated by that
getting all that data.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Well, rather two differentiators of those two products or companies
that haven't seen as many as you've seen, like what
made them stand out to you?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I don't well with game golf, you know, arcos, it's
getting data on you know, like you can hit balls
at the range, but do you really know how far
you're hitting it on the range and you're using range balls,
so you're not really sure. So getting that data and
using that data and to me it was like, Okay,
I need to find where the weak parts of my
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game are not what I'm doing well, what am I
doing early? And how can I improve that? So that
helped out. The square shoes were just fascinating to me,
and they took off, and he's got John Daly and
Faldo you know, investing in the company now, so that
was really exciting for him. And the other one was
lab Golf, the cutter company which I first started using
(26:21):
in twenty nineteen. And Sam and I Sam the CEO,
Sam Hun, we had just a great connection and I
like having him on the show. He's entertaining, to say
the least, then Lucas Glover had that miraculous run in
twenty twenty three where he won two weeks in a
row after having the yips for ten years.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
That's the greatest piece of marketing you could hope for.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Right, Well, that's the thing, and that's what I tell
people all the time. If you don't get somebody on
the PGA tour to use your product, good luck, good luck.
Exactly right, it's not going to catch on. And now
that lab Golf is just come out with their DF
three point zero and I'm looking on YouTube and I'm
seeing online people are just going razy for that putter,
(27:08):
and I have to say, I really like mine. Yeah,
it's a great putter because it just takes a lot
of as long as you are comfortable with the line
that you pick. It's all about distance at that point,
so eliminating you know, there's two main things, distance and direction.
Distance and direction, and you're putting. If you can eliminate
the direction as part of the equation and what's going
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on in your head and just focus on your distance,
you can putt pretty well. And you know, as they
say on torque yourself. So I don't know what well,
you know, if I have a knack. I'm just a
tech geek, not a golf tech geek, but I'm just
I've always had an eye for that's different, that might
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be pretty good.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, and then the data and then the data component too,
show me that it works, right, And I think that's
it works. I think that's a big thing that a
lot of people fail to pay attention to it.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Right, Oh that's cool, I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Wait wait, wait, wait why because ugly?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah? Who cares if it works? If the ball's going
in the hole, Why would you care what it looked like?
Because my friends to make fun of me. Yeah, we'll
deal with it, and they'll, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Make fun of you. Well you take their money.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Ye, exactly exactly. I remember I was playing with the
DF two point one lab golf putter and some guy goes, so,
what's with the Starship Enterprise in your hands?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
There?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
It's like, okay, I'm going to use that line. That's good,
that's really good.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Well well, fred I, hey, I can't thank you enough
for hopping on today and sharing stories and just your
experience with all listeners and you know, obviously for those
of you who have not listened to golf Smarty. You
need to go over head over and check that out.
What's the best place for them to obsolutely find it?
Obvioustly I'm assuming.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, we're a golf Smarter dot com and then I uh,
we put out short clips every day on social media
at golf Smarter. But wherever. If you're a podcast listener,
wherever you listen to podcasts, either type in golf Smarter
two words or my name Fred Green g R E
(29:17):
E N E at the end of green. My middle
name is in the or on the I'm sorry, my
middle name is on the so it's Fred on the green.
I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
So, yeah, you should change it to that.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I think, Oh, you want a great story. I got
a great story for you. So for my fiftieth birthday,
my wife gave me a puppy and I like, I
like little dogs, and so I was like, okay, if
this is my dog, I want to come up with
a good golf name. Now everyone's used divot, but no,
(29:53):
that's dumb, right, I need I know. I want an original,
good golf name. And a cousin suggested, well, why don't
you name the dog after Tiger Wood's mom. What, Yeah,
don't you know Tiger's woods. Mom is Yeah, our name
is col Tita, right, and then what do they call her? Tita? Okay,
(30:14):
so your dog's name would be Tita Green.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh that's brilliant. Awesome, that is brilliant. That's amazing. Oh man,
well that's a good one to end on.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Hey, everybody, you need to go check out Fred and
golf Smarter. We'll put all the links and obviously everything
in the show notes for you. And if someone wants
to be an ambassador, how do they just shoot you
an email?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Fred? How do they do that?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Because Golf Smarter Podcast at gmail dot com or click
on the Heyfred button when you go to golf Smarter
dot com.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Cool, Well, thanks so much Fred for hanging out with me.
Thank all of you for hanging out on the golf
fitness bomp spot. Hopefully you found today was a really
fun change of pace and obviously one of the guys
who was instrumental into p for US golf and kind
of our early days, so it's always fun to be
able to revisit where we came from and have him
back on.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
So thanks again.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Fred.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I'm sure we'll have you on again some point soon
and thank you all for hanging out with us, and
we'll catch you in the next episode.
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad podcast with Chris Finn,
a production of P for S Golf.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I'm your host, Chris Finn, and today I'm excited to
have a guest with me who actually, early on before
I didn't even really know what a podcast was. This
guy was generous enough to actually have me on his podcast,
so it is a multiple times, it's an absolute honor
to have Fred Green with me. For those of you
who may have been living under a rock, his show,
(00:31):
Golf Smarter is literally probably one of the first podcasts
I think it was two thousand and five, basically a
pioneer in the space of golf podcasting. Talks about everything
from course management, strategy, tips, drills, advice, insights from professionals.
Yours truly got the opportunity to be on there. But Fred,
it is an absolute honor to have you on the
(00:51):
show today.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Thanks so much for being with us.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Well, Chris, it's an absolute honor to be on your show.
You've been on Golf Smarter three times since twenty eighteen,
and each time I walk away with something like, oh,
I didn't know that I needed to know that. That's good.
So congratulations on and welcome to the podcast space. I
was not the first golf podcast there. There were a
(01:16):
couple of other when others when I arrived and.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
What was the landscape like when when you came.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I must say I'm the only one still standing.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
That was going to I would take that bet to
the house. I can't imagine. There's many other shows.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
The longest running golf podcast with close tonight this this
We're getting real close to nine hundred and fifty episodes, jeez,
every week.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's wild.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Hey, so for and this is totally a selfish question.
We've never actually I've never actually gotten ask you like
how did you get into the podcast thing?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Like how like how do you.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Get into something that you know almost twenty years later
now where you know you're still doing it? Like what
was the path that brought you there? And you know,
I just love to hear kind of the origin story
on that.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, the how is interesting. The why is even more.
It's like, why are we still doing this after that long?
What is the point? But the how was What's interesting
about this is that I feel like I've been podcasting
my whole life. I started doing audio production when I
was a teenager, and then I was in radio, and
(02:19):
then I did a national radio syndication, and then I
was independent and doing corporate audio. And so for me,
I'm doing what I've always done. The difference is distribution.
That's really the only difference, you know. When I, like
I said, I did a national radio syndication trying to
(02:40):
get it on radio stations across country, I was a
dist hockey. My wife and I met working in rock
and roll radio in San Francisco in the seventies. That's awesome, right,
I could see your head spinning right now, all the
things going, oh wow, it San Francisco in the seventies.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, that's all true. A lot more questions just came.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, it's all true. Just run with it, right. And
so when podcasting happened, yes, my dog is barking if
you can hear it. When podcasting started to happen in
early two thousand and five, I was trying to develop
a golf video idea and it was just when the
(03:24):
iPod came out with iPod video. Now, when I started
the podcast, it was a year and a half before
the iPhone came out. Wow, So I would call yeah.
So I would call golf instructors and mainly call golf
courses because I was trying to create this video. I figured, well,
I'm not having a lot of traction getting into golf
(03:46):
courses with this idea. Maybe if I just told them
that I'm going to do an infomercial about them and
put it on the internet, I would get some more reaction.
So that's what I did. I started calling golf courses.
And I had just finished the books in Golf by
doctor Joe Parent, and I'm like, you know. I talked
to a friend of mine who was already in the
(04:07):
podcast space but on the tech side. Okay, very very
popular golf tech podcast, and I said, you know, how
do I start with a podcast? And he said, get
somebody big name. So like, okay, So I called Joe
Parent and I said, would you mind being on my podcast?
And like everybody in those days, when I said I'd
(04:29):
like to do a podcast with you and put it
on iTunes, they had two questions, what's a podcast and
what's iTunes?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
That is?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
That is that is wildly familiar to when I started
doing the golf fitness stuff back in twenty eleven, twelve
and they'd say, well.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Wait, what do you do golf? Golf? What what is
that right?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Golf fitness? Yeah, like you mean like working out a
golf course.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's so funny. So yeah. So then
so from there so they it just took.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It, and I started getting emails from people all over
the world saying, I really am enjoying your content, but
this golf course you're talking about, I don't really I'm
never going to play there, so can you talk about
other things? And I'm like, well, it's gaining some tractions,
so I'm just start talking to golf instructors because honestly,
(05:27):
I didn't start playing golf until let's see, I was
in my early forties, okay, and my kid went to
a camp, a golf camp in the summer, and he
came home one day and said, hey, you don't want
to know what I learned at golf camp today. He
was twelve, And I said, yeah, would you learn He said,
golf etiquette? I'm like, wait, wait, you learned about etiquette?
(05:49):
Because yeah, can I show you? And I said, I'd
love for you to show me. Please. We went out
to the local golf course where his camp was, and
I got hooked. I was just like, Wow, this is
this is great. Now I knew golf was there. I
had been involved in sports marketing for twenty years, and
in nineteen ninety four I actually had my business out
at the Ryder Cup in Chester, New York, and I'm like, yeah,
(06:14):
I don't know, you know, And so I just got hooked.
And when the podcast started to happen, I figured this
is going to be a great way to get free
golf lessons if I just talked to it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
Smoking like somebody truly bit by the golf bug.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Right right. I don't want to take lessons, I don't
want to interact with it, but I love to talk
to people about this. So I just started interviewing instructors
and really focusing on the mental game. Because my approach
was from the very beginning it was I believe that
you can lower your scores faster if you work on
(06:52):
course management, strategy and the mental part of the game.
Then if you just focus on swing mechanics. And every
instructor I've talked to said, yep, that's true, that's true.
So I talked to a lot of golf psychologists, you know,
sports psychologists, and it's really gone beyond that to you know,
(07:15):
hypnotists and professors of psychology and of physiology. And I
can't tell you how many places gone that I never
would have guessed.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
But what And so when you think about that whole,
that whole, like I guess the wide breath of people
that you've gotten to speak to.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
I mean, what are like? Who are like a couple
of your like?
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I guess most interesting and we'll go to questions if
you think of a couple of most interesting or I
guess things that you never would have guessed, but you know,
surprising maybe is a better word. And then I guess
any kind of that have been your favorites over the years.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Well, there's there's two things. So you know, there's golf instruction,
which is always helpful, and then there's great stories, which
I'm always seeking out. I came from media, right, I
was trained as a recording engineer. I worked in radio,
I studied radio in college and all that stuff. So
this has always been my thing. So as far as instruction,
(08:18):
there was one instructor that we had. I think he
was on the show like twelve or thirteen times between
twenty ten and twenty eighteen when he passed away. And
his name was Tony Manzoni. And Tony was the coach
of the College of the Desert golf team, which is
a community college in Coachella Valley, which is Palm Springs basically.
(08:43):
And Tony was an amazing instructor. And every single time
he was on the show, I would get more emails
from people saying, how do I get to that guy?
How do I learn more? Where do I find him?
And Tony, like I said, passed away in twenty eighteen.
He was in his early eighties when he passed away.
He had written a book called The Lost Fundamental and
(09:05):
the book was out of print. It had just run
its course and he never reprinted it. And then he
created a video. He printed some DVDs at the time
and those ran out as well. And once he passed away,
and because of the reaction that I always got from
the audience, once he passed away, the author of the book,
(09:26):
who I found. Together, we went to Tony's widow and
asked if we can get the book back in print
and make it available on Kindle, which we did, and
can we make that video available online? So each year
since then, since twenty nineteen, was the anniversary of him
(09:50):
passing away. I start each golf season in March by
playing Tony's episodes in a row on you know we
I do. I do new episodes on Tuesdays and then
I do past episodes on Fridays. Initially we were calling
(10:10):
it Golf Smarter Mulligans, and it was and it was
a separate podcast, but just recently we folded it into
Golf Smarter. So now that if you subscribe to Golf
Smarter from wherever you get your podcasts, it's on. It's
on twice a week. And we've been doing Tony and
offering people the video and all they have to do is,
(10:34):
you know, they can purchase the video if they'd like,
but we offer a free version as well, and and
all they have to do is become one of our
Golf Smarter Ambassadors and the way to become a Golf
Smarter Ambassador. And been doing this for a couple of
years now. Then over one hundred of these. I have
listeners introduce each episode. And I learned that from Radio
(10:57):
Lab listening to the podcast. They have their listeners. So
what I do is have the listeners say Hi, this
is Fred Green, and I listen, no Hi, This is
Fred Green from the Vado, California, and I play at
Rooster Run golf Course. This is Golf Smarter number nine
hundred and fifty.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
And so people from all over the world. I get
Australia and Sweden and UK and Canada and recently Brazil.
You know, people from all over the world saying where
they're from and where they play and introducing an episode.
So that that's been really cool. So this is the
longest answer, So yeah, thank you. Tony is one of
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the favorites that we always had. I've had got Jim
waldron teachers out of Oregon. He's been on the show
maybe thirty times. He loves to try to make up numbers.
Then there's many teachers that I've had on multiple times
that have been phenomenal, including Doctor Joe Parent. Episode number
one was Doctor Joe Parent. And that's the thing about
(12:03):
my podcast that I think is that it creates value,
is that episode one is just as valuable today as
it was in two thousand and five when we released
it because it's golf instruction, right. So many other podcasts
talk about the PGA Tour, which, by the time my
show comes out on Tuesday afternoon.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's old news exactly. Yeah, the news cycles run.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Yeah, and plus I don't have the resources. I don't
have Golf Channel. I don't have a ESPN to an
NBC to go out and report for me and report back.
I've interviewed people from those places. Recently, Matt Janella from
the Golf Channel was on, Oh he's great, but he.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Guy plays more golf at more different places.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
I know, I know and so and I've had Bob
Costas on and I've had Dave Pels on. You know,
I've had some big names. So that's one element of
the show. But I have a serious case of add
so I can't do the same topic every weekh So
(13:08):
the other thing I love, and some of my favorite
have been some of the golf stories that we've had.
And my all time favorite golf story was this young
man in his early twenties, lived in San Francisco. Was
not born in the United States, but you know, moved
here early with his parents when he was a young
man and loved golf. Was an okay golfer, but not great,
(13:33):
maybe made a handicap, but he really wanted to play
in an open championship. Some Countries open and he's like,
how am I going to do this? And he figured
it out because he had an European passport, he was
able to do this. He snuck into and played in
the North Korean open. Oh right, And so it's a
(13:56):
great episode. It's a fascinating story. He tells some really
outrageous things about what happened to him, like first he
flew to China and then he flew to North Korea.
And while he's on the plane between North China and
North Korea, he feels this head over his shoulder looking
at him, trying to read, you know, like following what
(14:18):
he's doing. It's like, oh this is this is for
really right? And he gets there and he's told you're
not allowed to take pictures on holes four through seven.
Any other time you can take pictures, but not holes
through it four through seven and it's like why not,
you just can't. And he has a handler there that's
(14:39):
that's you know, who greeted him at the airport and
to started giving him the rules. And he's walking down
the fairway at number five and there's people in the
bushes with binoculars. He's like, oh, this is they're serious
about and then after the I think the second or
third round, he was playing pretty well, excited second or
(15:02):
third round, he goes back to his hotel room and
he goes to open the safe in his hotel room
to take out his wallet and whatnot, and he can't
open the safe. And he tries again and again and
he can't open the safe. So he goes to his
handler and says, I can't get inside my safe to
(15:23):
get my stuff out. And she said, what are you hiding?
It's like what why do you need to put things
in a safe? And he's, Oh, in the United States
where I live now, it's just a regular thing. You
go to a hotel, you put stuff in there just
to keep it safe so somebody doesn't walk in and
(15:43):
take it. She goes, all right, that's a good answer.
We'll get it open for you. It's like, oh, man.
So he goes into the final day of this of
the tournament. He's in second place and there's guy two
strokes ahead of him, Japanese gentleman. Gets to the eighteenth
hole and they're tied, and he freaks out and he
(16:09):
has he's like, I can't win this thing. I don't
know what would happen if I did so, yeah, you
got an eight on the eighteenth hole, him in second place,
and came home and went right back to work. And
I talked to him about this a few years after
he had done this, and I was like, have you
(16:32):
ever told anybody the story? He's like, no, So what
do you mean the press has never asked you about this?
He'm like no, so why not? He goes, I don't know.
I just never told anybody. I just went back to work.
That's like, we have an exclusive here on this story.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Crazy. Yeah, so that's amazing. What are you hiding, sir?
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And then there's the story of the sixty two year
old guy who was playing golf with somebodies and one
of the people in his group that he had just
met was the local college golf coach, you know, the
community college. And he had a great day that day,
and the guy said, hey, yay, you have any college
eligibility left. He goes, as a matter of fact, I
(17:17):
played baseball in college and got injured, so yeah, I'm
still eligibly. He goes, you want to be on our team?
Like what, yeah, you can be on our golf team. Okay,
I can do that. What he didn't realize is yeah,
this guy was an insurance salesman. He didn't realize, I wow,
I have to take classes school, Like I don't want
(17:39):
to do that. So he had to take classes. And
they're on the road trip once and he wanted to
go out and you know, get something to drink, have
some dinner. So he went knocked on one of the
kids doors, goes, hey, you want to go out and
have beer and have some dinner. And he goes, I'm
not old enough to have beer, and I've got homework
(18:00):
to do, Like what did I get myself into. Well,
those are the kind of stories that I just, you know,
run the gamut. But you know, recently did an episode
on and how to Get out of the Bunker, you know,
tips and vice and in the myths of playing a
bunker play and I did another one in Short Games.
So again, I run the gamut just so we can
(18:23):
all learn to be better, smarter golfers.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's funny when you mentioned the guy playing with the
college coach I had. We had a player that we
work with who was going to University North Carolina now,
but he was in the his recruitment process and so
he invited me down.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
To play it.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And he lived down in Pinehurst, and so go down
there and he goes, hey, you come down to play that.
You know, the coaches are going to become watching, and so,
you know, jokingly, I'm like, I'm like, oh, yeah, well,
we better hope I don't play too well.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
They may recruit me.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
So I could go out and think I shot shot
right around even par I looked at the yeah, number four,
And so I looked at the coaches. I say, you know,
I coach, you know I got a year of eligibility
after basketball, and he looks at me.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
He goes, he goes, yeah, you're about eight strokes off. Wow. Wow,
it was.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It was so eye opening to me of like the
difference of high level Division one men's golf and just
even like the quality of the ball. You know, I
got lucky in a couple you know, they hit a
maybe they hit a rock and bounced in or whatever,
and it's like, yeah, it's like, now you're not hitting
it on a rope. Pretty much every single time, we're
not interested. It was pretty funny. So I gave the
(19:33):
kid that I was playing with the game of my
hard time. I was like, how was that you know,
I only lost to you by like three, and I said,
I don't even get a look.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
That's not cool.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
That's one thing that's been impressed upon me by many
instructors that even the club champion, you know, at a
country club, this guy could be a plus one or
two couldn't compete with a PGA tour player, not even close.
Completely different thing.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
But that's why I said to everybody, it's like difference
between so I'm a scratch scratch player, like different from
me to a fifteen or even a twenty. It's so
much farther than from me to one of my tour guys,
Like it's not even close.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
Yeah, I think the Yeah, I agree with you. Are
you familiar with Proteus? Have you seen yet?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Okay, uh it's it's uh a piece of equipment that
gives three D resistance training.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
And I was Proteus with a t e U s okay,
I thought you yes, yeah us, Yes, yeah, yep, it's
a big arm.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
Yes seen it?
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yes? Yes, oh okay, and what do you think? Because
I did it? I tested it last week and I'm
actually interviewing the CEO next week, so I'm curious to know,
I think any I mean that's from your perspective, what
you know, if.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
You yeah, yeah, if you have the this is why
I love going talking with your friend. But this is
like I think, you know the to me, if you
have the funds to have that in a gym, like,
it's incredible the data that feedback it can give you
in terms of force output and you know multi vectors
and you know planes of motion and all those sorts
of things. I think the the challenge for most people
(21:14):
just be access right, and that's where you know, we
have a we have like friend, We have a similar
thing at p Fors where we have like flywheels for example,
which you know, we did a lot of research and
you get a one hundred and fifty percent faster gaining
clubbed speed until the six to you know, six to
ten weeks than you would if you just did regular
band training.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
But you would provide the data.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Oh yeah, it gives you.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
It's got a lot of bluetooth, it gives you outputs
and then ultimately we care about does it translate to
clubbed speed or something all specific. And but then even
with that and that's only probably a they just came
out with the mobile unit. It's probably twenty five hundred bucks,
but like you can't you're not You're not going to
find that at the y m c A or the
Plant Planet Fitness down the road or like right, So
(21:57):
there's there's definitely there's a lot of really cool technology
that's come on. I think to me, actually, I'm going
to flip this back on you and all the interviews
that you do. If you've seen like so absolutely got
the proteus is coming on for you, like have you
seen any other really cool technology out there? And or
even it might be like stuff that maybe was really
cool and kind of hard to get like ten years ago,
(22:18):
like three D motion capture was really hard to get to,
you know, three ten years ago, and now you've got
like KVES going out of business because it's being replaced
by marker lists and AI And I mean you have
to have seen quite the evolution of technology.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
I would imagine over the last.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I have definitely seen things come and go. There's I
just love when you like go to a PGA show
or something with all these new products being introduced and
you're like, dude, do not give up your day job
for thinking the.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Entire back quarter rows of all these people like you're like,
you got a new tea.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, boy, no.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
No, it's not a career. Although I do have to
say the flight path golf tees are really awesome.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I haven't seen those. What's the rest of those?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
So the flight path golf tees was designed by a
structural engineer whose dad is an inventor, and he's like, yeah,
let's just work on this together. So the tee, So
most t's are like a little cup, right, but that
tea when you put it in a cup, it creates
resistance on the ball going forward. And this is open
(23:32):
if you can see, it's open, and it gives you
this arrow here so you can point where you want
to place. You know what direction you want to all
ago right, and then it has no resistance forward, so
it creates less spin, which you want. And I saw
these online thought well that's an interesting thing. I'm going
(23:55):
to try that, and I bought a box and it
took me a boxes eight eight of these tea's and
it took me almost a year to go through the eight.
They're really destructed. Yeah, it's just the worst part is
when you hit a nice te shot with your driver
and the tea flies around and you stand there looking
for your tea and your force Fred come, would you
(24:17):
what are you doing? I'm looking for my tea. It's
a tea. No, it's a mass yeah right yeah, no, no, no, no,
you got guys come back here and help me find
my Oh my god. So anyway, I went through a box,
I bought another box. I'm going and these are legit.
I mean, I'm hitting the balls trader and farther every time.
And then when it came to the third box, I'm going,
(24:39):
I'm going to track these guys down. I need to
interview them because I'm fascinated, and did the full interview
and now we're giving them away to our Golf Smarter
Ambassadors if they want it.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
That's amazing, right awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
So so yeah, I've seen lots of things come and go. Uh.
I think that the the greatest find that I the
two really big finds that I've had I feel like
that I've helped discover was the square squares golf seat. Yeah,
Robert Winsquiz, I jumped on that early on. There was
(25:12):
another one, actually Game Golf, which is no longer around,
but it turned into arcos It's one of those things
I found way early on and was fascinated by that
getting all that data.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Well, rather two differentiators of those two products or companies
that haven't seen as many as you've seen, like what
made them stand out to you?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I don't well with game golf, you know, arcos, it's
getting data on you know, like you can hit balls
at the range, but do you really know how far
you're hitting it on the range and you're using range balls,
so you're not really sure. So getting that data and
using that data and to me it was like, Okay,
I need to find where the weak parts of my
(25:59):
game are not what I'm doing well, what am I
doing early? And how can I improve that? So that
helped out. The square shoes were just fascinating to me,
and they took off, and he's got John Daly and
Faldo you know, investing in the company now, so that
was really exciting for him. And the other one was
lab Golf, the cutter company which I first started using
(26:21):
in twenty nineteen. And Sam and I Sam the CEO,
Sam Hun, we had just a great connection and I
like having him on the show. He's entertaining, to say
the least, then Lucas Glover had that miraculous run in
twenty twenty three where he won two weeks in a
row after having the yips for ten years.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
That's the greatest piece of marketing you could hope for.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Right, Well, that's the thing, and that's what I tell
people all the time. If you don't get somebody on
the PGA tour to use your product, good luck, good luck.
Exactly right, it's not going to catch on. And now
that lab Golf is just come out with their DF
three point zero and I'm looking on YouTube and I'm
seeing online people are just going razy for that putter,
(27:08):
and I have to say, I really like mine. Yeah,
it's a great putter because it just takes a lot
of as long as you are comfortable with the line
that you pick. It's all about distance at that point,
so eliminating you know, there's two main things, distance and direction.
Distance and direction, and you're putting. If you can eliminate
the direction as part of the equation and what's going
(27:30):
on in your head and just focus on your distance,
you can putt pretty well. And you know, as they
say on torque yourself. So I don't know what well,
you know, if I have a knack. I'm just a
tech geek, not a golf tech geek, but I'm just
I've always had an eye for that's different, that might
(27:51):
be pretty good.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Yeah, and then the data and then the data component too,
show me that it works, right, And I think that's
it works. I think that's a big thing that a
lot of people fail to pay attention to it.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Right, Oh that's cool, I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Wait wait, wait, wait why because ugly?
Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah? Who cares if it works? If the ball's going
in the hole, Why would you care what it looked like?
Because my friends to make fun of me. Yeah, we'll
deal with it, and they'll, you know.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Make fun of you. Well you take their money.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Ye, exactly exactly. I remember I was playing with the
DF two point one lab golf putter and some guy goes, so,
what's with the Starship Enterprise in your hands?
Speaker 1 (28:31):
There?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
It's like, okay, I'm going to use that line. That's good,
that's really good.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Well well, fred I, hey, I can't thank you enough
for hopping on today and sharing stories and just your
experience with all listeners and you know, obviously for those
of you who have not listened to golf Smarty. You
need to go over head over and check that out.
What's the best place for them to obsolutely find it?
Obvioustly I'm assuming.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, we're a golf Smarter dot com and then I uh,
we put out short clips every day on social media
at golf Smarter. But wherever. If you're a podcast listener,
wherever you listen to podcasts, either type in golf Smarter
two words or my name Fred Green g R E
(29:17):
E N E at the end of green. My middle
name is in the or on the I'm sorry, my
middle name is on the so it's Fred on the green.
I'm kidding.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
So, yeah, you should change it to that.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I think, Oh, you want a great story. I got
a great story for you. So for my fiftieth birthday,
my wife gave me a puppy and I like, I
like little dogs, and so I was like, okay, if
this is my dog, I want to come up with
a good golf name. Now everyone's used divot, but no,
(29:53):
that's dumb, right, I need I know. I want an original,
good golf name. And a cousin suggested, well, why don't
you name the dog after Tiger Wood's mom. What, Yeah,
don't you know Tiger's woods. Mom is Yeah, our name
is col Tita, right, and then what do they call her? Tita? Okay,
(30:14):
so your dog's name would be Tita Green.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Oh that's brilliant. Awesome, that is brilliant. That's amazing. Oh man,
well that's a good one to end on.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Hey, everybody, you need to go check out Fred and
golf Smarter. We'll put all the links and obviously everything
in the show notes for you. And if someone wants
to be an ambassador, how do they just shoot you
an email?
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Fred? How do they do that?
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Because Golf Smarter Podcast at gmail dot com or click
on the Heyfred button when you go to golf Smarter
dot com.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Cool, Well, thanks so much Fred for hanging out with me.
Thank all of you for hanging out on the golf
fitness bomp spot. Hopefully you found today was a really
fun change of pace and obviously one of the guys
who was instrumental into p for US golf and kind
of our early days, so it's always fun to be
able to revisit where we came from and have him
back on.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
So thanks again.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Fred.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I'm sure we'll have you on again some point soon
and thank you all for hanging out with us, and
we'll catch you in the next episode.
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