May 15, 2024 • 29 mins
Special guest Mike Bury joins Chris to share his journey in the golf world and his teaching process. Mike shares the most important physical and technical aspects he focuses on, the difference between working with amateurs and pros, and how to pick your perfect golf ball!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad podcast with Chris Finn,
a production of P for S Golf. Welcome to the
Golf Fitness Bomb Squad. I'm your host, Chris Finn, and
I'm excited today to have an instructor on who some
of you may know, some of you may not know.
If any of you have, I don't know if you
(00:23):
guys have heard of a magazine called Golf Digest, but
he's he's one of the top instructors, best teachers in America.
So if you do know that magazine, you probably already know.
I got my guest with me, Mike Berry. Mike, what's
going on? Man? Excited to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Likewise, mate, I appreciate it, looking forward to the chat today.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Likewise.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
So, you know, I guess I always like to, and
this is totally selfish on my part, whenever I have
an instructor on, particularly you know, somebody who's kind of
climbed the ranks as you have, and you know, I
always like to just hear like the story of how
do you get to this point, Like where when did
you start playing golf? When did you decide you wanted
to get into instruction and you know and kind of
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what's the journey been like for you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, I'll try and try and give you the short version,
which is probably you know, still not that short. But
you know, I started playing from Australia. Originally started playing
golf when I was twelve. I went away on a
little water skiing holiday and they had like a you know,
a three whole golf course and so after skiing one day,
you know, decided to take the little rental clubs from
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the from the shop there and just went around the
three holes and for someone that had never you know,
kind of played golf before, it did okay. And you know,
from there immediately kind of got into golf lessons, got
hooked on golf obviously right away as Yeah. So it started,
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like many playing junior competitive junior golf. Really it became
my passion and you know, eventually turned professional back in Australia,
went through the Australian PGA program. But before that, you know,
I was very lucky to be around some of the
best coaches in the game, some of the best players
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in the game, and you know, it was kind of
expected that you're a good player, so you go on
and play but you know, for me, I really I
kind of looked to the guys that I grew up,
you know, spending a lot of time with, which were
coaches like Dale Lynch and Steve Bann, Dennis McDade, you know,
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some guys that have been very influential in Australian golf
and getting a lot of junior golfers to the PGA Tour.
And you know, these guys were just so cool, like
kind of wanted to be like them, yep. And so
you know, I had injury issues and my playing days
were always going to come to an end. And when
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I wasn't practicing, I was watching them teach, you know,
learning as much as I could, and you know, eventually
my time for playing came to an end, and that's
when I dove into a full career as a as
a golf instructor.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's awesome, man. And yeah, well I'm sure you know injuries,
and I'd love to get into kind of the type
of injuries you've had. And absolutely it's a physical fitness podcast,
so we'll talk about others you probably see with students,
but no surprise there. But you know, as you've gotten
into you know, the instructional side of things. You know,
how has that, you know, or has it at all
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influenced kind of how you look at when somebody comes
into to work with you, and yeah, I'm sure you
ask them, you know, like anybody like what are you
looking to do? And you know, are all your joints original?
Uh or or something on those sides, Like how how
has if at all, you know, your kind of experience
as a player and obviously some some physical stuff that
had popped up, How has that influenced how you look
(03:56):
at helping the golfers that you work with.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Now, yeah, I mean, you know, through my career teaching
here in the United States, you know, initially I was
very involved in elite player development, junior player development, and
that was really my background back in Australia, you know,
as kind of my online presences has grown somewhat. You know,
I work with a lot of business professionals and so,
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you know, working with these types of golfers, they have
completely different goals, they have completely different time and resources
that they can allocate to it. So, you know, one
of the initial conversations that I have with every student is,
you know, when we're looking at the swing, the we're
looking at what the club does and we look at
what the body does, and one affects the other, and
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so you know, one is just as important as the
other and one is just as influential as the other.
And so you know, understanding how somebody can move gives
is a pretty good idea as to why they swing
the way that they do.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So, like when you have somebody coming in, you know,
whether it maybe in person or remote, maybe do it differently,
maybe do the same. But I think everybody would love
to hear kind of if they are the same or different,
because I think, you know, it's particularly you know, we
have a large part of what we do is remote
as well. So you know, I think with COVID and
you know, the the was kind of a forcing function
for people to jump online and to do things do
(05:17):
by video. But either way, I'd be curious and you know,
maybe the same, maybe the different. How do you as
an instructor, like what matters to you? Right, Like if
someone tells you, like my hamstrings are tight or my shoulder,
like does that matter? Like like what do you tend
to look at in terms of you know, in terms
of how do you assess is it impactful or not?
And what do we do from there?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's a tricky one. I mean fortunately here
in DFW, we you know, have access to great people.
So there's other talented people that are much smarter than
me that I can refer people to. But obviously, you know,
as the coach, you're generally you know, you're perhaps the
leader of the team with other you know, really important
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team members, and so you still have to know what's
what's happening. You know, I kind of have two answers
to it, because when you have an elite player come in, obviously,
you know, you're kind of putting everything under the microsoft
under the microscope, and they're they're fully committed to the
improvement process and it doesn't really matter what it looks like.
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They're going to work hard and do everything that it takes.
When you have somebody that comes in and they only
play golf a couple of times a month and they
get a couple of practice sessions in, you know, how
do we move the needle, you know, as quickly as
we can and that might not be diving into you know,
sort of a you know, a full body range of
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motion assessment. You know, maybe that'll come and as we
can kind of you know, convince them a little bit more. Hey,
the reason why you're you know, your shoulder rotation is
is what it is is because of a lack of
mobility elsewhere. And then after the frustration of them, I'm
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not making the progress that I want to, Like, all right,
I'll buy into what I need to work on this now.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So you get those guys too, huh yeah. So so
I'd love to like take a kind of bifurcate this
conversation a little bit, like let's let's go down the
road of the well, let's start with the business guy, right,
let's start with it. Maybe it doesn't have a lot
of time or or whatnot. And then we'll let's I
want to loop back to the elite player because those
obviously we can get into a lot of detail of
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other stuff. But when you do have that that maybe
that that student who doesn't have you know, four hours
every single day, you know, eight hours. You know, they're
not it's not their career, right, It's something they love
to do, and but their time is a constraint. Maybe
they travel whatever it maybe family whatever what. When it
does come to you know, I guess two pieces number
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one on the on the physical side, is there like
a priority, like one area that like, hey, that's the
most important one. If I can only pick one, I
want to make sure that that is doing X, and
then alsoll them we'll dive into swing too, Like I
kind of how I'd love for you to share kind
of how you look at helping people at their swing.
But let's start physical first. Is there one area that
you kind of like, man, that is a muster? That's
the first first place I look if I can only
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look at one.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I mean, if I had to lean in a direction obviously,
because everybody's body is so different, you know, but we
see so many people that spend a lot of time sitting,
you know, all day, so hip flexes are really tight,
you know, glutes are relatively inactive, you know, so we
see one of the most common things that I would
say that I see, you know, in just somebody's ability
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to perform a particular movement, not even talking goal swing
necessarily here is you know, for somebody to be able
to you know, disassociate their lower body from upper body.
And we know that that obviously plays you know, a
pretty influential role in the goal swing. When we see
somebody's down swing and everything turns at the same time.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You mean that's that you mean that's not ideal, Mike.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I thought, that's how If that's how it's done, there's
a lot of people doing it right, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
All the guys on tour are doing it wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So let's let's uh, let's stand on kind of this.
The guy maybe doesn't have as much time or the
girl doesn't have as much time. From an instructional standpoint,
like when somebody comes to you, do you kind of
have a process or a system that you kind of
like to kind of check off like an evaluation wise,
is it totally goal based? How do you like to
approach kind of the instructional side, kind of going away
(09:33):
from the physical a little bit, and then too, just
how you help people play better golf.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, no, it's a great question. So you know, generally,
when I get somebody in for first lesson, you know,
in my indoor facility, we're equip a track man, so
you know, it's initially getting some data, you know, after
let's say kind of the screening questions. Really for me,
it comes down, you know, I explained to the golfer.
The in the swing, we have negotiables and non negotiables,
(10:00):
the non negotiables being the things that the golf ball knows.
And what it knows is not much, but what it
knows that listens to every time. And so, you know,
I explained to them that, you know, path and face
are the non negotiables. They tell the ball where to start,
which way to curve. You know, the ability to control
low point is extremely important. And obviously contact and everybody
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comes in. One of the initial responses is they're looking
for more consistency. Obviously all of those things can be
challenging to, you know, to be consistent with. But you know,
one of my explanations is, I don't have a cookie
cutter approach to teaching. It's not less than ones a
grip lesson, then a stance lesson, then a takeaway lesson,
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much like yourself and you know, and others. It's how
well are we controlling those non negotiables, you know, what
you're doing at impact and how far do we need
to go back in order to make improvements that are
going to you know, affect your ability to control path, face,
low point contact.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So and this is I'm totally taking a selfish turn
your mic path face, which one starts the ball. I've
heard so many different arguments of the start line. And
then like you know, if it starts out as a
random player, it starts right and curves left. That's because
your path is out and your face is closed. Other
people say it's because the face was a which one
is it just just as totally selfish And hopefully someone
(11:26):
listening has the same question.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, and certainly, well what it is now is different
to how it was perhaps described many many years ago.
And you know, with with the access to launch monitors
and the launch monitor data, what we know now is
that the golf ball stars starts much closer to the
face and curves away from the path.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So explain that for me, just forever and for everyone
else listening. I'm I'm not that smart, so I'm going
to say it's for someone else, but I'm going to
use it for me.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So if we take, you know, for example, like you know,
a slice right, let's just say on track man, they
have a path of say you know, negative five, and
they have you know, a face angle that is negative one,
so you know zero being the target line face at
negative one path is a negative five, the ball will
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start in between the face and the path, but much
closer to the face and will curve away from the path.
So you know, from just kind of making up some
numbers here, with that negative five path negative one face angle,
the launch direction is going to be much closer to
that sort of negative one. It'll be a little more
than negative one, but it will curve right of the
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target and perhaps being something not good.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Got it? So and negative just in case somebody uses
like flight scope or something else. Negative on track man
means a left path.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, exactly, So for a right handed player an out
to end or yes, a left path.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Okay, perfect, Sorry that was totally selfish, but I wanted
to to make sure I was thinking of that correctly.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I mean, it's you know, it's important to know from
the standpoint of you know, the club face really is
the king of the swing, so you can you can
do a lot of things really well. And if your
you know, if your face angle is your club based
control is not good, the ball is going to go
in directions you don't want it to go.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah. Well, and for me, I think it's an important
conversation just with the availability of technology that's coming, right.
We see it in the in the physical space of
you know, there's there's foce plates and three D and
there's all this stuff you can measure, right, But like, right,
you know, I think the average amateur. I love when
I see guys at the range and they got their
track man or you know, whatever launch mount or they're using,
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and You're going to ask, and I'll just just because
I'm curious, and sometimes I just kind of want to.
I'm just I guess I'm a little bit of a
I'm looking for a laugh sometimes, right, and not so
to help people, but I'm like, hey, like hey, what
are you looking at there? Right? And they're like, oh,
I'm working on They list like thirty things and I'm like, okay,
so which one are you? Like, you know, is that
good or bad? And just it's actually it's kind of like,
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in a way kind of sad, how like how confused
they are the actually they have all they have everything
set up. They have the idea of like hey, I
got this tech, but then they really don't have any
idea how to use it in a way that's helpful.
And for sure, you know, we see it in the
fitness space too, and so yeah, I'm always curious to
go ask like, you know, hey, what are you looking at?
And every once in a while, I guess somebody like
knows what they're doing. It's a really fun conversation. Otherwise
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it's like, hey, I would go talk to the pro
and maybe he can kind of give you some ideas
like what exactly show for? But do you see similar
where people just kind of paralysis buying out like way
too much information and using it totally wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean it's it's a combination of things, right.
I mean, even if you go back sort of ten
years ago, it's not like every golf instructor had a
track man. You know, a few a few instructors had
tracked man. And now it's very common, you know, the
majority of coaches have some kind of launch monitor, and
and now it's become available to where you know, there's
different types of launch monitors or different price points and
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what have you. Where the consumer has, you know, quite
often a device as well. And you know, I could
buy an MRI machine and I would have no clue
how to use it or what anything about it means.
And so you know, anybody that is kind of going
down that road, and I think it's a good road
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to go down. One you need to know what the
numbers mean and really it's it's a tool just like
anything else that you need to know its purpose for you.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, it's like you using you got to hammer, you
should probably hammer some nails, not try to screw a
screw it exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah. And if you need to screw the screw in,
you know, get the right tool for the for the job.
But absolutely exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
So let's go down. Let's kind of back out and
go down the other road that I wanted to talk
about because abotually we're a lot of elite kind of
high level players. I think that's of interest for even
the amateur because they we all like to know, like, hey,
what do you like? What is what's the difference like
in terms of if if I had a limited time,
what are all the things that we could look at?
And and how does when you have kind of that
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player come in who's saying, hey, I want to play
on tour. Maybe they already planned for maybe that's that
is their job, right, Like how does that I guess
process or or approach, you know, what does that look like?
And and where are the points that you feel like
kind of some of the major differences are with those
guys and girls versus the you know, just the regular
amateur maybe is limited on time.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, and you know, for me, it's it's it's going
through a series of you know, kind of evolution. You know,
if I go all the way back to Australia, I
was lucky enough to spend time, you know, around the
Victorian Institute of Sport program, which essentially is an Olympic
training program, and back in the early nineties they had
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they two guys, Steve Bann and Dale Lynch, created a
golf program inside of you know this this VIIs so
essentially they trained golfers the same way they trained Olympic athletes.
And I was very fortunate to have access to, you know,
some of the best in the biz. We're talking names
that may not be household names, but you know, names
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like Vern McMillan and Simon Webb, who were you know,
I guess in kind of like an American term would be,
you know, sort of head fitness coach of the golf program,
you know, and golfers that came out of this program
where golfers like you know, Robert Allen, b Stewart, appleby
Jeff ogil V, Aaron Baddeley, and you know, not bad
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a little bit here and there, and especially at that
point in time. I mean, Aaron Baddeley won the Australian Open,
you know, as an eighteen year old, and you know
kind of did it again as a nineteen year old.
But you know that this was a collection of really
the most elite players from the state of Victoria who
were some of the best in the country and in
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the world. And so that was just kind of the
norm in terms of you worked with a mental coach,
you worked with a fitness coach, you know, you worked
with your golf coach, and everybody else around you was,
you know, really just working as hard as you can work.
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And so, you know, coming over to the United States,
I worked with Jim McLean when I arrived here and
at the facility we're out here in Texas. You know,
we had an incredible gym, We had a fitness team
that actually worked with a bunch of PGA tour players.
Jason Day actually lived on one of the holes in
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the property, so he was practicing there. And yeah, so
you know, at that point in time, we kind of
had everything in house. You know, we were able to
you know, send our athletes over to the fitness team,
who you know, would just down the hallway. They would
go through an evaluation, and we would consult with the coaches,
with the fitness coaches so that we're all on the
(19:15):
same page, and we would do the technical and skill
work and they would you know, do the fitness work
with them. You know. These days, with with my indoor facility,
you know, we focus again very much on sort of
the technical skill mental aspects.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And we have you know, a great network of people
that were able to send people to that you know,
that are committed and do have the time and the
desire to really reach the highest level that they possibly can.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's awesome and I think one of the coolest things
for me, I guess, kind of looping back to the
amateur looking just at your content and just everything that
you see kind of online and is there was a
there's a cool kind of continuity I think of your philosophy.
You know, a lot of the stuff that you talk
about on your website for example, is about just there's
so much content out there. There's so many ways it's
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like it's literally the most confused. I think golf is
the most confusing sport to figure out how to get
good at because of how much crap there is out
there and you got to sift through it and figure
it out. And that's absolutely You have your process that
you used. You know, it's not cookie cutter, it's customized.
How do you know? I know you have a ton
of online content too, Like if you if you could
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talk about just like how have you organized that? How
do you help people navigate through that? Because I think
it's for me, it's always really cool and I when
we find somebody in the instructional space who kind of
has curated stuff, has has kind of come up with
a pathway where it's not like it's not like Survivor, right,
It's like there's actually like a plan, Like it's not
Survival the Fittest. Hey we can we can help you
(20:51):
based on wherever you're at, Like talk if you can
talk a little bit about your process and how you
go through that. I'd really love to you know this again,
I'm pretty selfish on this show just as a golf
not so good. How do you like? How do you
how do you talk a little bit about that and
how do you how do you help people kind of
figure out what they need to do.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I mean it's it is a challenge, right, It
is a challenge for for somebody that that's out there
that's scrolling you know, what what relates to you know,
you as the golfer, and what doesn't, what's good and
what's conflicting. It is difficult for me when it comes
to putting out content. A lot of the content I
put online, you know, kind of out there in whether
(21:34):
it be YouTube or Instagram, it's just generally sound advice,
you know, where it's not something extremely specific, and it's
not hey, I think all golfers should swing this particular way,
because I don't. That's not my philosophy anyway. But it's
you know, from skill training drills that I would consider. Okay,
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it's not going to hurt anybody to do this skill drill.
It's going to help pretty much everybody that does it.
And that's kind of with some of the feedback hacks.
It's not going to hurt anybody to know that they're
striking it in the toe, you know, or in the heel,
wherever the case may be. And so you know. That
is one thing that I'm very conscious of is not
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putting out information that if it gets into sort of well,
the wrong person's hands, they don't need to hear that advice.
You know. Now with the remote coaching programs that I have,
that is where we dive, you know, kind of into
the individual nuances and the information that pertains to that
individual's you know, circumstances. Because it's it's it's tricky. I mean,
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there's there's a lot of talented golf coaches and there
is an absolute fee of content. And boy, I know
if it was something else, if it was like learning
some other you know, highly skilled or musical instrument, and
I was scrolling and I see like ten different ways
(23:05):
to you know, make your takeaway or just that the other.
How am I ever going to learn this thing? I
don't know. I just the last two videos I watched
were completely different.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
That is not an uncommon thing that we see. That's
my favorite. When you get we'll get guys in here
and you know they're obviously they're here for fitness. We
don't do instruction, but they'll tell us all about the
latest YouTube video they watched and that they're working on.
You know X and their swing, and then they'll be
back like literally like four weeks later and they're working
on something completely the opposite because they saw this show
(23:38):
on the YouTube video and it's like yeah. And so
we always joked I'm a big fan of you. We say,
you know, don't guess assess right, And so I'm like, hey,
how do you know that that's what you need? Like
as someone told you that, he goes, Oh, I saw
it and it just makes sense. So I'm going to
do it because it worked for them. Yeah, it's like that, Yeah,
that's probably not the path to go down. Man.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
No, No, And I get it a lot. You know,
in my studio here, you know, people will my students
will come in, students that I've been working with for
years and they'll say, hey, you know, I saw this thing,
and I'll hear them out and I'll say, we'll show
me and either it's right or it's it's either right
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for them or it's not right for them. And if
it's not from me and it's from somebody else and
it's right for them, I'm stoked. I want to know
more about it. Majority of cases it's not, and it's
still you know, if you kind of think of things
as everything being an experiment. Then it was a successful
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experiment for them they learned another thing that they don't need.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
To do exactly. Yeah, I love the and I think
that to me for everyone listening when you're looking for
a coach or somebody to work with, what Mike just said,
the like check the ego at the door, like even
if it's not yours, and it works for you, like
and you have an instructor who's support you. Like I
can't tell you enough how important that is to look
for in an instructor. And so that's refreshing to hear, Mike.
(25:05):
But before we wrap, I think one of the things
that I think, I want to make sure everybody realizes
that you have a lot of like it's actually titled
free stuff on your page, you know, and basically like
things for people to check out. Well, one that caught
my eye was how to pick the golf the right
golf ball for you? That's if you like, how do
you you said? I think it looks like there's like
(25:26):
a five step process.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Obviously don't tell everyone the all five steps because I
want them to go to your site route, but like,
what are like the top two things. Like, you know,
obviously there's lots of different golf I know, Calloe just
came out with a new golf ball. There's you know,
titleist has the probably one probably, then there's left dash.
Then they're like they're talking, you know, everything in golf.
There's so many choices that can be confusing. What's kind
of how does that? How does a golfer go about
(25:50):
choosing a golf ball? And obviously you guys need to
go We'll make sure we put everything in the show
show notes guys for all you guys listen, so you
can go right to Mike's site and get all this stuff.
But just this again selfish question golf, Well, how do
you choose which ones to go with? What's the differences
between them?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, I would say that there's there's a couple of
different ways. In this particular way is you know, sort
of the non scientific approach. Obviously you can test golf
balls on a launch monitor, but in terms of just
kind of like full game experience. You know, this particular
process is working from the green backwards and you know,
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starting with let's say a handful of balls that you've chosen,
you know, kind of read you know, the information on Ultimately,
if it doesn't feel good off the putter right away,
then it's not going to be the ball for you,
right because feel is sound and so you know, the
process kind of walks a golfer in this non technical way.
(26:48):
You don't need a launch monitor, you know, working backwards
from there from the green all the way to the
T box through this process of elimination, and you know, eventually,
as you go through this process, which is pretty quick,
pretty easy, you know, you'll arrive at a ball where
you're like, okay, this one. It sounds good, it feels good.
I like how much control I have around the green
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with it. At the same time, it goes the distance, said,
you know, when I'm weighing up sort of softness, feel
and distance, it checks all of the boxes.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So you mean golfer shouldn't see which ball goes the
furthest and just play.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
That one maybe if if you're just if you're a
long drive guy.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, so you know, I think that's I'm glad you
I asked that question because I have a lot of
guys that I play with too. They just they just
pick whatever ball goes the furthest and I think that's
important for people to hear like you obviously have way
more shots in and around the green controlling spin. You know,
you know where you're chipping and you're you're pitching and
that you know anyway everybody go, you got to go
(27:49):
to get grab this for Mike, and I think it's
and I love that you did it in a way
where people can do it without a lunch potter, So
that's yeah, that makes it way more testable for everybody.
But uh, Mike, I want to be respectful of your
time and everybody usually is getting to work around this
point in the pod or wherever they're going, But uh,
where where can people find you? Where's the best places
for them to connect with? You? Obviously do have some
(28:09):
you know, you know a lot of remote stuff, a
lot of content online. What's the best places for them
to connect with the infollio?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Sure, I appreciate it. You know, there's a whole ton
of free stuff on my website Mike Bury dot com
and outside of that, either on YouTube or Instagram at
kind of my you know, my main hangout places and
it's Mike Bury Golf on on either of those platforms.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Awesome, and we'll make sure, we put those in the
show notes for all you guys listening, and definitely drive safely,
don't stop and visit those, you know, at least stop
on inside of the road before if you're going to
go grab his stuff. But yeah, I think, and just
for all of you guys listening, just to you know,
there's not often that there are instructors who have a
lot of kind of useful you know, basically free stuff
that are actually kind of you can assess. And I'm
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a big fan of that. We have a lot of
this on our site for US golf particularly we have
our home Assessment, but Mike Scott stuff for short game mastery,
how to use the right golf ball, the wedge guide,
putting quiz, so a lot of stuff from the short game,
super cool resources. Definitely go check them out. Mike. Thank
you so much, man. This has been an absolute blast.
We kind of got to pepper pepper a lot of
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different areas. It was was an absolute pleasure to have
you on today.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I appreciate it. It was great chatting all right.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
For everyone else listening, thanks for hanging out. Thanks for
taking the time to hang out with us on the
golf Fitness Pomp squad. We look forward to catch you
in the next episode.
Welcome to the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad podcast with Chris Finn,
a production of P for S Golf. Welcome to the
Golf Fitness Bomb Squad. I'm your host, Chris Finn, and
I'm excited today to have an instructor on who some
of you may know, some of you may not know.
If any of you have, I don't know if you
(00:23):
guys have heard of a magazine called Golf Digest, but
he's he's one of the top instructors, best teachers in America.
So if you do know that magazine, you probably already know.
I got my guest with me, Mike Berry. Mike, what's
going on? Man? Excited to have you on the show.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Likewise, mate, I appreciate it, looking forward to the chat today.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Likewise.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
So, you know, I guess I always like to, and
this is totally selfish on my part, whenever I have
an instructor on, particularly you know, somebody who's kind of
climbed the ranks as you have, and you know, I
always like to just hear like the story of how
do you get to this point, Like where when did
you start playing golf? When did you decide you wanted
to get into instruction and you know and kind of
(01:06):
what's the journey been like for you.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, I'll try and try and give you the short version,
which is probably you know, still not that short. But
you know, I started playing from Australia. Originally started playing
golf when I was twelve. I went away on a
little water skiing holiday and they had like a you know,
a three whole golf course and so after skiing one day,
you know, decided to take the little rental clubs from
(01:31):
the from the shop there and just went around the
three holes and for someone that had never you know,
kind of played golf before, it did okay. And you know,
from there immediately kind of got into golf lessons, got
hooked on golf obviously right away as Yeah. So it started,
(01:54):
like many playing junior competitive junior golf. Really it became
my passion and you know, eventually turned professional back in Australia,
went through the Australian PGA program. But before that, you know,
I was very lucky to be around some of the
best coaches in the game, some of the best players
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in the game, and you know, it was kind of
expected that you're a good player, so you go on
and play but you know, for me, I really I
kind of looked to the guys that I grew up,
you know, spending a lot of time with, which were
coaches like Dale Lynch and Steve Bann, Dennis McDade, you know,
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some guys that have been very influential in Australian golf
and getting a lot of junior golfers to the PGA Tour.
And you know, these guys were just so cool, like
kind of wanted to be like them, yep. And so
you know, I had injury issues and my playing days
were always going to come to an end. And when
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I wasn't practicing, I was watching them teach, you know,
learning as much as I could, and you know, eventually
my time for playing came to an end, and that's
when I dove into a full career as a as
a golf instructor.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
That's awesome, man. And yeah, well I'm sure you know injuries,
and I'd love to get into kind of the type
of injuries you've had. And absolutely it's a physical fitness podcast,
so we'll talk about others you probably see with students,
but no surprise there. But you know, as you've gotten
into you know, the instructional side of things. You know,
how has that, you know, or has it at all
(03:35):
influenced kind of how you look at when somebody comes
into to work with you, and yeah, I'm sure you
ask them, you know, like anybody like what are you
looking to do? And you know, are all your joints original?
Uh or or something on those sides, Like how how
has if at all, you know, your kind of experience
as a player and obviously some some physical stuff that
had popped up, How has that influenced how you look
(03:56):
at helping the golfers that you work with.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Now, yeah, I mean, you know, through my career teaching
here in the United States, you know, initially I was
very involved in elite player development, junior player development, and
that was really my background back in Australia, you know,
as kind of my online presences has grown somewhat. You know,
I work with a lot of business professionals and so,
(04:20):
you know, working with these types of golfers, they have
completely different goals, they have completely different time and resources
that they can allocate to it. So, you know, one
of the initial conversations that I have with every student is,
you know, when we're looking at the swing, the we're
looking at what the club does and we look at
what the body does, and one affects the other, and
(04:41):
so you know, one is just as important as the
other and one is just as influential as the other.
And so you know, understanding how somebody can move gives
is a pretty good idea as to why they swing
the way that they do.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So, like when you have somebody coming in, you know,
whether it maybe in person or remote, maybe do it differently,
maybe do the same. But I think everybody would love
to hear kind of if they are the same or different,
because I think, you know, it's particularly you know, we
have a large part of what we do is remote
as well. So you know, I think with COVID and
you know, the the was kind of a forcing function
for people to jump online and to do things do
(05:17):
by video. But either way, I'd be curious and you know,
maybe the same, maybe the different. How do you as
an instructor, like what matters to you? Right, Like if
someone tells you, like my hamstrings are tight or my shoulder,
like does that matter? Like like what do you tend
to look at in terms of you know, in terms
of how do you assess is it impactful or not?
And what do we do from there?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, it's a tricky one. I mean fortunately here
in DFW, we you know, have access to great people.
So there's other talented people that are much smarter than
me that I can refer people to. But obviously, you know,
as the coach, you're generally you know, you're perhaps the
leader of the team with other you know, really important
(05:58):
team members, and so you still have to know what's
what's happening. You know, I kind of have two answers
to it, because when you have an elite player come in, obviously,
you know, you're kind of putting everything under the microsoft
under the microscope, and they're they're fully committed to the
improvement process and it doesn't really matter what it looks like.
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They're going to work hard and do everything that it takes.
When you have somebody that comes in and they only
play golf a couple of times a month and they
get a couple of practice sessions in, you know, how
do we move the needle, you know, as quickly as
we can and that might not be diving into you know,
sort of a you know, a full body range of
(06:41):
motion assessment. You know, maybe that'll come and as we
can kind of you know, convince them a little bit more. Hey,
the reason why you're you know, your shoulder rotation is
is what it is is because of a lack of
mobility elsewhere. And then after the frustration of them, I'm
(07:01):
not making the progress that I want to, Like, all right,
I'll buy into what I need to work on this now.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
So you get those guys too, huh yeah. So so
I'd love to like take a kind of bifurcate this
conversation a little bit, like let's let's go down the
road of the well, let's start with the business guy, right,
let's start with it. Maybe it doesn't have a lot
of time or or whatnot. And then we'll let's I
want to loop back to the elite player because those
obviously we can get into a lot of detail of
(07:30):
other stuff. But when you do have that that maybe
that that student who doesn't have you know, four hours
every single day, you know, eight hours. You know, they're
not it's not their career, right, It's something they love
to do, and but their time is a constraint. Maybe
they travel whatever it maybe family whatever what. When it
does come to you know, I guess two pieces number
(07:53):
one on the on the physical side, is there like
a priority, like one area that like, hey, that's the
most important one. If I can only pick one, I
want to make sure that that is doing X, and
then alsoll them we'll dive into swing too, Like I
kind of how I'd love for you to share kind
of how you look at helping people at their swing.
But let's start physical first. Is there one area that
you kind of like, man, that is a muster? That's
the first first place I look if I can only
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look at one.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
I mean, if I had to lean in a direction obviously,
because everybody's body is so different, you know, but we
see so many people that spend a lot of time sitting,
you know, all day, so hip flexes are really tight,
you know, glutes are relatively inactive, you know, so we
see one of the most common things that I would
say that I see, you know, in just somebody's ability
(08:41):
to perform a particular movement, not even talking goal swing
necessarily here is you know, for somebody to be able
to you know, disassociate their lower body from upper body.
And we know that that obviously plays you know, a
pretty influential role in the goal swing. When we see
somebody's down swing and everything turns at the same time.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
You mean that's that you mean that's not ideal, Mike.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I thought, that's how If that's how it's done, there's
a lot of people doing it right, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
All the guys on tour are doing it wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
So let's let's uh, let's stand on kind of this.
The guy maybe doesn't have as much time or the
girl doesn't have as much time. From an instructional standpoint,
like when somebody comes to you, do you kind of
have a process or a system that you kind of
like to kind of check off like an evaluation wise,
is it totally goal based? How do you like to
approach kind of the instructional side, kind of going away
(09:33):
from the physical a little bit, and then too, just
how you help people play better golf.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
Yeah, no, it's a great question. So you know, generally,
when I get somebody in for first lesson, you know,
in my indoor facility, we're equip a track man, so
you know, it's initially getting some data, you know, after
let's say kind of the screening questions. Really for me,
it comes down, you know, I explained to the golfer.
The in the swing, we have negotiables and non negotiables,
(10:00):
the non negotiables being the things that the golf ball knows.
And what it knows is not much, but what it
knows that listens to every time. And so, you know,
I explained to them that, you know, path and face
are the non negotiables. They tell the ball where to start,
which way to curve. You know, the ability to control
low point is extremely important. And obviously contact and everybody
(10:25):
comes in. One of the initial responses is they're looking
for more consistency. Obviously all of those things can be
challenging to, you know, to be consistent with. But you know,
one of my explanations is, I don't have a cookie
cutter approach to teaching. It's not less than ones a
grip lesson, then a stance lesson, then a takeaway lesson,
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much like yourself and you know, and others. It's how
well are we controlling those non negotiables, you know, what
you're doing at impact and how far do we need
to go back in order to make improvements that are
going to you know, affect your ability to control path, face,
low point contact.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
So and this is I'm totally taking a selfish turn
your mic path face, which one starts the ball. I've
heard so many different arguments of the start line. And
then like you know, if it starts out as a
random player, it starts right and curves left. That's because
your path is out and your face is closed. Other
people say it's because the face was a which one
is it just just as totally selfish And hopefully someone
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listening has the same question.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, and certainly, well what it is now is different
to how it was perhaps described many many years ago.
And you know, with with the access to launch monitors
and the launch monitor data, what we know now is
that the golf ball stars starts much closer to the
face and curves away from the path.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
So explain that for me, just forever and for everyone
else listening. I'm I'm not that smart, so I'm going
to say it's for someone else, but I'm going to
use it for me.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
So if we take, you know, for example, like you know,
a slice right, let's just say on track man, they
have a path of say you know, negative five, and
they have you know, a face angle that is negative one,
so you know zero being the target line face at
negative one path is a negative five, the ball will
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start in between the face and the path, but much
closer to the face and will curve away from the path.
So you know, from just kind of making up some
numbers here, with that negative five path negative one face angle,
the launch direction is going to be much closer to
that sort of negative one. It'll be a little more
than negative one, but it will curve right of the
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target and perhaps being something not good.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Got it? So and negative just in case somebody uses
like flight scope or something else. Negative on track man
means a left path.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Yeah, exactly, So for a right handed player an out
to end or yes, a left path.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Okay, perfect, Sorry that was totally selfish, but I wanted
to to make sure I was thinking of that correctly.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I mean, it's you know, it's important to know from
the standpoint of you know, the club face really is
the king of the swing, so you can you can
do a lot of things really well. And if your
you know, if your face angle is your club based
control is not good, the ball is going to go
in directions you don't want it to go.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah. Well, and for me, I think it's an important
conversation just with the availability of technology that's coming, right.
We see it in the in the physical space of
you know, there's there's foce plates and three D and
there's all this stuff you can measure, right, But like, right,
you know, I think the average amateur. I love when
I see guys at the range and they got their
track man or you know, whatever launch mount or they're using,
(13:43):
and You're going to ask, and I'll just just because
I'm curious, and sometimes I just kind of want to.
I'm just I guess I'm a little bit of a
I'm looking for a laugh sometimes, right, and not so
to help people, but I'm like, hey, like hey, what
are you looking at there? Right? And they're like, oh,
I'm working on They list like thirty things and I'm like, okay,
so which one are you? Like, you know, is that
good or bad? And just it's actually it's kind of like,
(14:06):
in a way kind of sad, how like how confused
they are the actually they have all they have everything
set up. They have the idea of like hey, I
got this tech, but then they really don't have any
idea how to use it in a way that's helpful.
And for sure, you know, we see it in the
fitness space too, and so yeah, I'm always curious to
go ask like, you know, hey, what are you looking at?
And every once in a while, I guess somebody like
knows what they're doing. It's a really fun conversation. Otherwise
(14:28):
it's like, hey, I would go talk to the pro
and maybe he can kind of give you some ideas
like what exactly show for? But do you see similar
where people just kind of paralysis buying out like way
too much information and using it totally wrong.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean it's it's a combination of things, right.
I mean, even if you go back sort of ten
years ago, it's not like every golf instructor had a
track man. You know, a few a few instructors had
tracked man. And now it's very common, you know, the
majority of coaches have some kind of launch monitor, and
and now it's become available to where you know, there's
different types of launch monitors or different price points and
(15:05):
what have you. Where the consumer has, you know, quite
often a device as well. And you know, I could
buy an MRI machine and I would have no clue
how to use it or what anything about it means.
And so you know, anybody that is kind of going
down that road, and I think it's a good road
(15:26):
to go down. One you need to know what the
numbers mean and really it's it's a tool just like
anything else that you need to know its purpose for you.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, it's like you using you got to hammer, you
should probably hammer some nails, not try to screw a
screw it exactly.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah. And if you need to screw the screw in,
you know, get the right tool for the for the job.
But absolutely exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
So let's go down. Let's kind of back out and
go down the other road that I wanted to talk
about because abotually we're a lot of elite kind of
high level players. I think that's of interest for even
the amateur because they we all like to know, like, hey,
what do you like? What is what's the difference like
in terms of if if I had a limited time,
what are all the things that we could look at?
And and how does when you have kind of that
(16:18):
player come in who's saying, hey, I want to play
on tour. Maybe they already planned for maybe that's that
is their job, right, Like how does that I guess
process or or approach, you know, what does that look like?
And and where are the points that you feel like
kind of some of the major differences are with those
guys and girls versus the you know, just the regular
amateur maybe is limited on time.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, and you know, for me, it's it's it's going
through a series of you know, kind of evolution. You know,
if I go all the way back to Australia, I
was lucky enough to spend time, you know, around the
Victorian Institute of Sport program, which essentially is an Olympic
training program, and back in the early nineties they had
(17:03):
they two guys, Steve Bann and Dale Lynch, created a
golf program inside of you know this this VIIs so
essentially they trained golfers the same way they trained Olympic athletes.
And I was very fortunate to have access to, you know,
some of the best in the biz. We're talking names
that may not be household names, but you know, names
(17:26):
like Vern McMillan and Simon Webb, who were you know,
I guess in kind of like an American term would be,
you know, sort of head fitness coach of the golf program,
you know, and golfers that came out of this program
where golfers like you know, Robert Allen, b Stewart, appleby
Jeff ogil V, Aaron Baddeley, and you know, not bad
(17:49):
a little bit here and there, and especially at that
point in time. I mean, Aaron Baddeley won the Australian Open,
you know, as an eighteen year old, and you know
kind of did it again as a nineteen year old.
But you know that this was a collection of really
the most elite players from the state of Victoria who
were some of the best in the country and in
(18:09):
the world. And so that was just kind of the
norm in terms of you worked with a mental coach,
you worked with a fitness coach, you know, you worked
with your golf coach, and everybody else around you was,
you know, really just working as hard as you can work.
(18:31):
And so, you know, coming over to the United States,
I worked with Jim McLean when I arrived here and
at the facility we're out here in Texas. You know,
we had an incredible gym, We had a fitness team
that actually worked with a bunch of PGA tour players.
Jason Day actually lived on one of the holes in
(18:52):
the property, so he was practicing there. And yeah, so
you know, at that point in time, we kind of
had everything in house. You know, we were able to
you know, send our athletes over to the fitness team,
who you know, would just down the hallway. They would
go through an evaluation, and we would consult with the coaches,
with the fitness coaches so that we're all on the
(19:15):
same page, and we would do the technical and skill
work and they would you know, do the fitness work
with them. You know. These days, with with my indoor facility,
you know, we focus again very much on sort of
the technical skill mental aspects.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
And we have you know, a great network of people
that were able to send people to that you know,
that are committed and do have the time and the
desire to really reach the highest level that they possibly can.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's awesome and I think one of the coolest things
for me, I guess, kind of looping back to the
amateur looking just at your content and just everything that
you see kind of online and is there was a
there's a cool kind of continuity I think of your philosophy.
You know, a lot of the stuff that you talk
about on your website for example, is about just there's
so much content out there. There's so many ways it's
(20:09):
like it's literally the most confused. I think golf is
the most confusing sport to figure out how to get
good at because of how much crap there is out
there and you got to sift through it and figure
it out. And that's absolutely You have your process that
you used. You know, it's not cookie cutter, it's customized.
How do you know? I know you have a ton
of online content too, Like if you if you could
(20:29):
talk about just like how have you organized that? How
do you help people navigate through that? Because I think
it's for me, it's always really cool and I when
we find somebody in the instructional space who kind of
has curated stuff, has has kind of come up with
a pathway where it's not like it's not like Survivor, right,
It's like there's actually like a plan, Like it's not
Survival the Fittest. Hey we can we can help you
(20:51):
based on wherever you're at, Like talk if you can
talk a little bit about your process and how you
go through that. I'd really love to you know this again,
I'm pretty selfish on this show just as a golf
not so good. How do you like? How do you
how do you talk a little bit about that and
how do you how do you help people kind of
figure out what they need to do.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, I mean it's it is a challenge, right, It
is a challenge for for somebody that that's out there
that's scrolling you know, what what relates to you know,
you as the golfer, and what doesn't, what's good and
what's conflicting. It is difficult for me when it comes
to putting out content. A lot of the content I
put online, you know, kind of out there in whether
(21:34):
it be YouTube or Instagram, it's just generally sound advice,
you know, where it's not something extremely specific, and it's
not hey, I think all golfers should swing this particular way,
because I don't. That's not my philosophy anyway. But it's
you know, from skill training drills that I would consider. Okay,
(21:54):
it's not going to hurt anybody to do this skill drill.
It's going to help pretty much everybody that does it.
And that's kind of with some of the feedback hacks.
It's not going to hurt anybody to know that they're
striking it in the toe, you know, or in the heel,
wherever the case may be. And so you know. That
is one thing that I'm very conscious of is not
(22:14):
putting out information that if it gets into sort of well,
the wrong person's hands, they don't need to hear that advice.
You know. Now with the remote coaching programs that I have,
that is where we dive, you know, kind of into
the individual nuances and the information that pertains to that
individual's you know, circumstances. Because it's it's it's tricky. I mean,
(22:42):
there's there's a lot of talented golf coaches and there
is an absolute fee of content. And boy, I know
if it was something else, if it was like learning
some other you know, highly skilled or musical instrument, and
I was scrolling and I see like ten different ways
(23:05):
to you know, make your takeaway or just that the other.
How am I ever going to learn this thing? I
don't know. I just the last two videos I watched
were completely different.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
That is not an uncommon thing that we see. That's
my favorite. When you get we'll get guys in here
and you know they're obviously they're here for fitness. We
don't do instruction, but they'll tell us all about the
latest YouTube video they watched and that they're working on.
You know X and their swing, and then they'll be
back like literally like four weeks later and they're working
on something completely the opposite because they saw this show
(23:38):
on the YouTube video and it's like yeah. And so
we always joked I'm a big fan of you. We say,
you know, don't guess assess right, And so I'm like, hey,
how do you know that that's what you need? Like
as someone told you that, he goes, Oh, I saw
it and it just makes sense. So I'm going to
do it because it worked for them. Yeah, it's like that, Yeah,
that's probably not the path to go down. Man.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
No, No, And I get it a lot. You know,
in my studio here, you know, people will my students
will come in, students that I've been working with for
years and they'll say, hey, you know, I saw this thing,
and I'll hear them out and I'll say, we'll show
me and either it's right or it's it's either right
(24:18):
for them or it's not right for them. And if
it's not from me and it's from somebody else and
it's right for them, I'm stoked. I want to know
more about it. Majority of cases it's not, and it's
still you know, if you kind of think of things
as everything being an experiment. Then it was a successful
(24:40):
experiment for them they learned another thing that they don't need.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
To do exactly. Yeah, I love the and I think
that to me for everyone listening when you're looking for
a coach or somebody to work with, what Mike just said,
the like check the ego at the door, like even
if it's not yours, and it works for you, like
and you have an instructor who's support you. Like I
can't tell you enough how important that is to look
for in an instructor. And so that's refreshing to hear, Mike.
(25:05):
But before we wrap, I think one of the things
that I think, I want to make sure everybody realizes
that you have a lot of like it's actually titled
free stuff on your page, you know, and basically like
things for people to check out. Well, one that caught
my eye was how to pick the golf the right
golf ball for you? That's if you like, how do
you you said? I think it looks like there's like
(25:26):
a five step process.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Obviously don't tell everyone the all five steps because I
want them to go to your site route, but like,
what are like the top two things. Like, you know,
obviously there's lots of different golf I know, Calloe just
came out with a new golf ball. There's you know,
titleist has the probably one probably, then there's left dash.
Then they're like they're talking, you know, everything in golf.
There's so many choices that can be confusing. What's kind
of how does that? How does a golfer go about
(25:50):
choosing a golf ball? And obviously you guys need to
go We'll make sure we put everything in the show
show notes guys for all you guys listen, so you
can go right to Mike's site and get all this stuff.
But just this again selfish question golf, Well, how do
you choose which ones to go with? What's the differences
between them?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, I would say that there's there's a couple of
different ways. In this particular way is you know, sort
of the non scientific approach. Obviously you can test golf
balls on a launch monitor, but in terms of just
kind of like full game experience. You know, this particular
process is working from the green backwards and you know,
(26:28):
starting with let's say a handful of balls that you've chosen,
you know, kind of read you know, the information on Ultimately,
if it doesn't feel good off the putter right away,
then it's not going to be the ball for you,
right because feel is sound and so you know, the
process kind of walks a golfer in this non technical way.
(26:48):
You don't need a launch monitor, you know, working backwards
from there from the green all the way to the
T box through this process of elimination, and you know, eventually,
as you go through this process, which is pretty quick,
pretty easy, you know, you'll arrive at a ball where
you're like, okay, this one. It sounds good, it feels good.
I like how much control I have around the green
(27:10):
with it. At the same time, it goes the distance, said,
you know, when I'm weighing up sort of softness, feel
and distance, it checks all of the boxes.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
So you mean golfer shouldn't see which ball goes the
furthest and just play.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
That one maybe if if you're just if you're a
long drive guy.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yeah, so you know, I think that's I'm glad you
I asked that question because I have a lot of
guys that I play with too. They just they just
pick whatever ball goes the furthest and I think that's
important for people to hear like you obviously have way
more shots in and around the green controlling spin. You know,
you know where you're chipping and you're you're pitching and
that you know anyway everybody go, you got to go
(27:49):
to get grab this for Mike, and I think it's
and I love that you did it in a way
where people can do it without a lunch potter, So
that's yeah, that makes it way more testable for everybody.
But uh, Mike, I want to be respectful of your
time and everybody usually is getting to work around this
point in the pod or wherever they're going, But uh,
where where can people find you? Where's the best places
for them to connect with? You? Obviously do have some
(28:09):
you know, you know a lot of remote stuff, a
lot of content online. What's the best places for them
to connect with the infollio?
Speaker 2 (28:15):
Sure, I appreciate it. You know, there's a whole ton
of free stuff on my website Mike Bury dot com
and outside of that, either on YouTube or Instagram at
kind of my you know, my main hangout places and
it's Mike Bury Golf on on either of those platforms.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Awesome, and we'll make sure, we put those in the
show notes for all you guys listening, and definitely drive safely,
don't stop and visit those, you know, at least stop
on inside of the road before if you're going to
go grab his stuff. But yeah, I think, and just
for all of you guys listening, just to you know,
there's not often that there are instructors who have a
lot of kind of useful you know, basically free stuff
that are actually kind of you can assess. And I'm
(28:52):
a big fan of that. We have a lot of
this on our site for US golf particularly we have
our home Assessment, but Mike Scott stuff for short game mastery,
how to use the right golf ball, the wedge guide,
putting quiz, so a lot of stuff from the short game,
super cool resources. Definitely go check them out. Mike. Thank
you so much, man. This has been an absolute blast.
We kind of got to pepper pepper a lot of
(29:14):
different areas. It was was an absolute pleasure to have
you on today.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I appreciate it. It was great chatting all right.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
For everyone else listening, thanks for hanging out. Thanks for
taking the time to hang out with us on the
golf Fitness Pomp squad. We look forward to catch you
in the next episode.
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