Unrelating with Kel & Michelle

Unrelating with Kel & Michelle

Unrelating is an all new podcast that explores relationships, why we do what we do, and what causes people to "un-relate". Join Kelly & Michelle as they talk to real people about the relationship challenges they face and provide an expert to help them sort it all out. Unrelating is hosted by show producer Kelly Beck and relationship expert Michelle Schafer. Michelle is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist who has been providing individual and couple’s therapy for two decades. Michelle has her Bachelor’s degree in Biopsychology and Cognitive Science from the University of Michigan and a Master’s in Clinical Psychology, with an emphasis in Marriage and Family Therapy, from Pepperdine. Through her practice, she has seen patterns and themes that connect us as people. Her scientific background will help us learn about the brain mechanisms that influence our behavior. And her psychology background will help us figure out if we should continue in the relationships we’re in! Follow us on Instagram @unrelatingpocast and be sure to download us on Apple, iHeart, Spotify, Youtube, or wherever you get your podcasts! And if you have a question, comment or would like to be a guest on the show, email us at theunrelatingpodcast@gmail.com

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June 24, 2026 60 mins

We all have secrets. But when is it finally time to tell yours?  Kel and Michelle sit down for a thoughtful provoking conversation with Alicia Barr, author of “More Than A Secret” How A Mistress Broke Free From Her Affair". Alicia talks about her affair and the impact it had on her marriage and life, the psychological and physical impact of living in silence, and how to break free and heal from the guilt and shame ...

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In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 49 with Matt Fuchs,  we are re-airing our deep dive with therapist Dan Duane. In it, Michelle explores what we can do to be intentional and reflective about our life and death.

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June 10, 2026 61 mins

Are you dreading middle age and getting older? Dread not! Kel and Michelle sit down with author and researcher Matt Fuchs for an insightful conversation about the classic stereotypes and definitions of midlife crisis, what can cause midlife stressors and ways to manage them, how people's identities may change throughout life, and why the midlife crisis has now become a midlife "climax" and a period of happiness and personal growth.

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In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 48 featuring Maddison Violet, Michelle talks about how helpful it is to be accurate when voicing your expectations.

Find Maddison Violet and Ve Oh Lay Winery @veohlayacres

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Have you ever dreamed of calling all the shots? Kel and Michelle sit down with Maddison Violet, owner of Ve Oh Lay Winery and Farm in Summerland, Canada, to discuss how she and her husband followed their dream and started a winery, the secret to staying connected and supporting each other, navigating difficult conversations as co-owners, and advice for couples who work together or are considering starting a business of their own.

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In this deep dive for Unrelating With Kel & Michelle featuring Mark Michaels, Michelle discusses how early relationships impact our attachment to others.

In his preprint BINARIES, MULTITUDES, AND BEYOND, available now at markamichaels.com, Mark focuses the lens on his own journey and uses narrative analysis and critique to explore how authority, expertise, and healing are currently defined.
https://markamichaels.com/

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May 13, 2026 66 mins

Ready to reimagine how you’re approaching therapy? Kel and Michelle sit down with writer and conceptual artist Mark Michaels to discuss the problems with traditional therapy and why people may feel disillusioned, both the benefits and the limitations of alternative approaches like psychedelics and A.I. assisted therapy, and how growing up in the 1970’s New York punk scene influenced his work, life, and therapeutic journ...

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On this week's deep dive of Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 46 with Meehika Barua, Michelle reflects on how young people are having to navigate the world these days.

Meehika Barua can be reached at @meehikabarua.

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April 29, 2026 60 mins

Kel and Michelle sit down for a candid and eye-opening conversation with writer Meehika Barua about placeholder partners, why people stay in relationships when their partners show no signs of commitment, when to set the proper dating boundaries and be more selective, and how you can recognize if you’re a placeholder partner or friend to someone else. 

Meehika Barua can be reached at @meehikabarua.

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In this deep dive of the episode featuring therapist Dan Duane, Michelle explores what we can do to be intentional and reflective about our life and death.

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April 15, 2026 45 mins

Kel and Michelle sit down with new psychotherapist Dan Duane, who pivoted from a successful journalism career later in life, for a candid conversation on why men’s attitudes about the therapy profession are shifting, the desire to “run directly into the fire” to help others, and his advice for other men considering similar midlife career pivots.

Dan Duane can be found at https://danielduanetherapy.com/.

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In this Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 45 Deep Dive, Michelle talks about what happens when you start to notice the world through the eyes of someone with different challenges and how we don't need to be afraid of acknowledging the benefits we have.

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April 1, 2026 69 mins

Could you be neuro-sensitive? Kel and Michelle sit down with counselor and educational strategist Judy Lipson to find out! We explore some of the traits and characteristics, techniques and tips for dealing with family and friends with neuro-sensitivities, and why having a neuro-sensitivity could actually be a superpower.

Judy Lipson can be found at https://www.spiralwisdom.com/.

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March 18, 2026 43 mins

Kel and Michelle discuss why accountability matters and how negativity bias affects our mental health. 

We explore how not taking accountability impacts our relationships and the psychological reasons we don’t step up.

We also discuss negativity bias, the effects it has on our life, and learn some practical ways that we can minimize exposure and rewire our brain out of a negative loop.

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In this Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 43 deep dive, Michelle highlights two themes from Justine's show, exploring regret and being open to improvements.

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March 4, 2026 48 mins

Kel and Michelle sit down with Justine, a young professional who has pivoted between multiple diverse careers, to discuss lessons she’s learned, navigating workplace discontentment and dissatisfaction, how she is aligning her work with her values and goals, and how failure can be an important learning experience to help discover your true calling. 

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Top recap Unrelating With Kel & Michelle Episode 41 with Terry, Michelle delves deeper into having us try to understand our responses to adversity so we can enhance our resilience.

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February 18, 2026 56 mins

Kel and Michelle sit down with cancer survivor and author Terry Healey for an inspiring conversation about adversity, recovery, and resilience. After a life-threatening cancer left him with a permanent facial difference, Terry talks about how he rebuilt his confidence, discovered the power of gratitude and positivity, and found greater purpose and joy in his life. 

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To recap Unrelating with Kel & Michelle Episode 41, in this deep dive Michelle talks about why it can be hard to take action or accept responsibility in our lives and when we're up against societal challenges.

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February 4, 2026 59 mins

Kel and Michelle sit down for a candid and eye-opening conversation with educator and online content creator Abby Eckel about the challenges of raising boys in today’s negative social media landscape, how the manosphere molds young minds, and the proactive roles that parents can play in raising their kids today.

Abby Eckel is available at Abbyeckel.com or @abbyeckel.

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