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June 12, 2024 38 mins

Kelly speaks to licensed acupuncturist and author, Michelle Oravitz about how and why acupuncture works as a healing modality. Kelly asks Michelle when we should choose western medicine options over eastern medicine modalities. Michelle explains the details of how acupuncture works to help our bodies use their own healing facilities and the importance of finding balance and harmony within our systems to keep things functioning properly. Michelle references the different ways acupuncture works to heal things like anxiety, addiction, menopausal symptoms, ptsd and infertility. The women also discuss Michelle's book: "The Way Of Fertility: Awaken Your Reproduction Potential Through the Power of Ancient Wisdom." 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's
Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
I'm here with Michelle Rovitz, licensed acupuncturist and author.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Hi Michelle, Hi Kelly.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Oh my gosh, thank you for being here. I was
telling you before we started recording that I recently had
a back injury that was causing spasms, and I used
acupuncture as one of the tools to help me heal,
and it was amazing the difference that I felt in
my body after each session and then throughout the weeks
that I would do it. It's such like it's like
it almost kicked in later too. It was crazy to

me how acupuncture works. But I've kind of become obsessed
with acupuncture because of that, and it's something I've done before,
even for migraines or different different kinds of illnesses and
things like that. But I feel like it's one of
those things we talk about. Everyone kind of knows, oh yeah, yeah, acupuncture,
But I said to you, I'm like, but nobody really

knows or talks about what actually happens in a session
and all the different things that you can use acupuncture for.
So I'm so happy to have you here today as
you can get the listeners a little bit of a
backstory and just kind of the breakdown of acupuncture. So
maybe let's start with just a quick explanation of what
is acupuncture?

Speaker 4 (01:19):
Yes, good question, and a lot of people don't really
know what it is. It seems like this mysterious thing
with needles going in the body. And I remember, so
my background actually was in architecture before I found acupuncture,
and I remember myself being very intrigued to like, what
in the world is this. So it's really one of

the pillars we use in Chinese medicine, and so Chinese
medicine practitioners the two main pillars. But then there's a
lot of other tools in the toolbox that we use.
But the two main ones are Chinese herbs and acupuncture. Okay,
and the herbs are more like the chemical, the pharmaceutical
aspect with natural herbs, and then the acupuncture is more

like the mechanical We use mechanical basically like getting the
needle in to stimulate our life force vitality or energetic
meridians basically that carry chi we call cheese life force vitality,
and when that she is not flowing. We can have
either pain or we can have conditions or symptoms really

coming from like patterns. So in Chinese medicine, we don't
really treat the symptom. We treat a pattern. So somebody
can come in for like migraines, and you have five
different people with migraines. But one person might have migraines
because they have too much cold in the system. Another
person might have a migraine because of wind cold, you know,

like getting a cold or something coming in. Another one
can have it from deficiency, like just not having enough
blood or nutrients in the body. So it really depends.
And that's why it's unique, because we're looking at like
the root cause of what is causing that expression.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
You've mentioned a little bit about the blocked chi and
I want to talk about that because I find this
so fascinating. But our bodies really are amazing in the
way that they can heal themselves and also just prevent illnesses,
fight off things like anything like that. But I don't
know that we I mean, I do feel like we're
starting to have these conversations, but I don't feel like

people even realize how strong our bodies are because we're
so used to just throwing a pill at something, right,
And that's something I talk about a lot on this podcast.
But you mentioned the blocked chi and I constantly am
saying to everyone, I'm like, energy is everything, Like I
feel like it's everything in this world. So can you
talk about what happens? Like, I know there's acu points, right,

there's certain acupoints, and then you put a needle in
certain areas and then what happens.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
Okay, so many different things. But the body is incredible,
like you said, and I totally agree, and it really
is actually the body that heals. We're just create, we're facilitating,
like we're making it easier for the body. So if
the body has imbalances and that can happen through the
environment or emotions or things that happen. It can be
many different reasons why a person got there, but we're

really facilitating the free flow of energy. And sometimes, yes,
we can constrict from stress. The body can basically like
shut down or you can not shut down in a
like drastic way. Obviously it keeps working, but like you
can have emotions that can stagnate energy in the body.
So if you've ever felt like really like stressed out.

You literally feel the tightness in your shoulders and you
can feel your stomach getting more tight, like people start
to constrict. It's that feeling like when you when you
don't want something and you're resisting, like the moment or
whatever's happening, you resist and you feel like more constricted.
So those are the things that can stagnate the energy

in the body. I hope I'm answering the question what
was the original one was really like about the energy moving, Like, yeah, just.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
With energy moving, well, you just touched on something that
maybe will help also kind of respark that. But you know,
I hear always the body keeps the score. So like
when ochins get stuck, like you're able to then put
something a needle into the body into certain points that
can help release that.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Yes, So here's so I'll explain to you kind of
like as a back so you can get understanding, understanding
or like a good visual of how it works. Because
the acupuncture points, there's like really three main ways that
we can use them, or specific types of points. So
some points, the most common one that we hear about

are the ones that belong to channels. So channels are
basically like highways in our body, like these little vessels
that carry energy, like our blood vessels carry blood, and
so that there's like these vessels that carry I want
to say energy, but it's more than energy. It's life force, vitality.
It's basically an intelligent energy and it also carries oxygen

and so those things, those channels have points, and many
of those channels belong to organs as well. Okay, so
those are one category of points. Another category of points
are individual points that stand alone that do not belong
to any channel. And then the third one, the more

common ones are the ones that are in the ear,
so they're auricular. The ear carries basically a reflection of
your whole body. So once you can memorize that, most
people don't memorize all of them. They'll just memorize the
ones that they usually use for like for me personally,
because I do a lot of women's health, I know
exactly where the uterus one is, the ovaries, but to

memorize the whole year is a lot. Yeah, because it's
basically you have a point for like everything everything you
can imagine, like that's in your body. So the ones
that belong to the meridians are basically connected. You know,
the meridian itself that goes through deep into the body

through the organs also comes up for air. I always
call it like kind of comes up for air, goes
to the surface of the skin and certain points, which
means that we it's like an exit, you know, from
a highway. So you go deep in and then you
can go out every so often to get out or
to get in. So that's pretty much where we have

an opportunity to stimulate those channels that go deep within
the body. And then each point has its own therapeutic effect.
And then sometimes we'll pick a number of points that
they work like a symphony. Almost some of them are
even paired where they can create a response in the
body to heal certain ailments, whether it's digestive and it

could be like you were talking about anxiety or sleep
and emotions. A lot of the earpoints can do that
as well. So it's pretty fascinating. It's like this network
basically in our bodies that really runs the vitality.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I was going to ask you why acupuncture is so healing,
but what I'm hearing you say is basically you're facilitating
the release of something so that our bodies can just
function the way that they're supposed.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
To correct perfect, you get right on it. Yes, yes, see,
it's interesting that you're saying that you really understand that.
And that's the thing with it is it's intuitive, Like
it makes sense. We all know that our bodies heal themselves.
I mean, we know that when we get sick, we sleep,
and then when we're sleeping, we're able to kind of
let our bodies do what it needs to do. I mean,

when we get cut, our bodies will create its own
band aid in a scab. It's incredibly intelligent and knows
exactly what it needs to do.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
So why do you think I mean, I'd always say this.
I'm like, I don't want to knock on Western medicine
because I actually think both. I think it's amazing we
have so much of the stuff that we have in
Western medicine, and so much of the technology and all
of the things that we can do and create and whatever. Like,
I'm not trying to knock on that. And I think
they miss a little bit in Western medicine because they're

not looking at the root, which, like you said at
the beginning of the podcast, it's not just the symptom,
always like there's something behind it, why is it happening?
And things like that. So when would you say to
a person, hey, this is a good place to use acupuncture,
and then this is a place like you need to
go see a Western medicine doctor that needs to put

you on an antibiotic and things like that, Like how
do we decipher what is what and when our bodies
can heal themselves.

Speaker 4 (09:52):
That's actually a really brilliant question and it really is
a legitimate question that a lot of people have. With
my patient. I often see people struggling with fertility or
or any kind of women's health or menstruation, and oftentimes
I say, do both, you know, talk to both, because
I'm sure that through the different perspectives you're going to

get information. In my case, for years, I was struggling
with irregular periods and I would miss like two three
I would have two three month cycles, and my only
solution from Western medicine was get on the birth control fill.
And even when I was younger and I didn't know
anything about what I know now, that didn't seem like

an answer to me. I was like, that doesn't make sense,
Like what do I do to fix this? I don't
get it, Like I know that that's not really fixing it,
though like it might give it might make me feel
like it's fixing, but it's not. So I think that
we go with our own intuition because in some cases, yes,
you need absolutely, like antibiotics if you haven't any major
infections and certain ones even in the pelvic area, you know,

certain infections in the uterus, you need the antibiotics. And
then I would work with them at the same time
to give them probiotics to take at the same time
so that they're protecting their gut. And so I think
that it's good to have a combination or a team
if you can, because that would be the ideal.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, so using both Okay, I totally subscribe to that too,
And that's typically what I'm saying when we're talking about
these Eastern medicine things. But always it's just like what
you just said when you're talking about the period thing, like, well,
why am I having an a regular period? Like our
bodies are supposed to function. They're just supposed to function.
So if there's something that's not functioning, there's a reason,

like something is blocked or like you said.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
Yes, and when you do go to the doctor and
the doctor tells you will you know and you can
you can feel it. We're intuitive beings. We can pick
up if you're not really getting an answer because you
don't feel full with it. You're like, well, that doesn't
really feel like we're resolving my If you're feeling that,
then that's when you start to go and maybe simultaneously

talk to other people and getting different perspectives and opinions
and a nutritionist, you know, acupuncturists, natural pathic doctor like
all of them I think would be you know, just
even like a first time consultation just to get a feel.
And I really subscribe to that, like you really need
to listen to your body because your body also lets

you know if something feels in line.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
It's so true, It's so true.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Let's talk a little bit about the different reasons you
would use acupuncture. So maybe some people listening we just
talked about when you would know whether to go to
a Western medicine doctor or an Eastern medicine maybe some
of the places you can use acupuncture I mentioned to you.
I don't think a lot of people would think of
acupuncture as a way to reduce anxiety, but it's one
of the main things that it can do. So can

you talk about why that works with anxiety totally?

Speaker 4 (12:57):
Because it helps come the nervousest them. Okay, that's one
of them. And I actually look around, I think to myself,
we're living at a time where everything around us really
throws off our nervous system. It's not healthy, like even
the sounds and the beeping and the honking, and it's
just it never worked in our bodies like it never

like in nature. You never have that kind of drastic
shift and you don't even have the dress. You know,
we live here in Florida and it's hot, but then
you go from like hot and your pores are wide open,
and then you go into the freezing cold air. Those
things are not normal. That's not a natural environment, and
our bodies still don't recognize that. They also don't recognize

artificial light and not getting enough sun. So you know,
all those things can throw off our nervous system. And
also just like the overstimulation of thoughts, like just information,
you're constantly being bombarded. Listen. Social media is great for
many things, but it could be a lot and I

think it's not the healthiest thing in the world. So
there's so many different things like that. So I think
that when you have acupuncture, it stimulates a lot of
the points constimulate the nervous system and come and regulate
the nervous system. And it also helps us to adapt
better to the stressors because most often we can't really
change what is and the stress stressors that are around us.

What we can absolutely change is really our ability to adapt.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
What about gut health because with some of these I
want to ask the question too, aren't like our nervous system.
If our nervous system isn't functioning properly, isn't that where
a lot of our disease is going to come from?

Speaker 4 (14:48):

Speaker 2 (14:48):
And then I know that specifically with gut health is
a big one too. So is that kind of the
way acupuncture would work foundationally, is that it's just setting
our bodies up to function properly, so then we're not
how having like over inflammation and blocks like you've talked about. Energetically,
Is that why this works?

Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yes to a certain extent, But it also it really
stimulates the body self healing response and the self regulating response,
so the body will naturally get into the state of
like letting go and releasing and kind of relaxing, and
that'll help you sleep, and then that kind of starts
a whole cascade of events where you're sleeping better. Then

that also rejuvenates you and gets your mind working better
when you're awake and more clear, and it cleans out
the hormones and resets you. And so there's so many
different factors and kind of like things start to fall
into place as a whole, because all those little pieces
and parts are part of this hole that your body is.

And as far as gut health, the nervous system absolutely
impacts the gut, just like the gut impacts the nervous
system in the mind. And they even found that meditation
can increase the amount of microbiome diversity in your gut.
So it's pretty fascinating, and yeah, it's pretty wild. So
we're it just proves that it's all connected, like everything's

part of this whole. And then also we treat the
spleen and stomach, which Western medicine sees the spleen is
only immune system, but Chinese medicine sees it as a
really important part of our digestive system. But also the
digestive system is a very important part of our immune system,

so it is related and we can work on that
through blood flow. I mean so many different things. Also,
a lot of the herbals work on the sleen and stomach,
which in Chinese medicine really translates as the gut, you know,
for how we see it in the West.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
Okay, what about addiction.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Yes, there's something called the n A protocol. It's an ada.
We use it on the ear. Oftentimes you'll find any
kind of addiction, even food addiction. We a lot of
times address it through a regular therapy. And so the
not A Protocol, interestingly enough, has been shown to be
really amazing. There's been some studies on them. It's been

really really powerful for addiction, but also PTSD, and they
use it for veterans or for people that have gone
through war, so PTSD. It's interesting. And then you think
to yourself, like I've always like, what's the common thing
that they have between addiction and PTSD. Well, you think

about it. Both of them run on a loop. You
keep repeating the same thing. So whether it's a memory
that keeps coming on repeat or a behavior that keeps
happening and repeat. So the not a protocol. I use
it often really for everybody. I've used it on people
that have even had really bad PMS and their nervous

system kicks in. They get like really emotional and it's
just like this roller coaster of states that they're experiencing.
I'll use that because even though it hasn't been used
as that historically, it's working amazingly on the nervous system
and getting the body to feel more safe. So it's

pretty fascinating. I think it's incredible, and I've had quite
a few people that have had legitimate PTSD really feel
much better after I use that protocol.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
That I mean, it's bringing back to what you were
first saying about the nervous system though, because that you're
right with the addiction stuff with PTSD, it's all in
a loop. But then again, isn't that connected to the
nervous system, because really aren't. Isn't all addiction just trying
to soothe the nervous system, like you're just trying to
calm down those feelings of anxiety or whatever it is?

Speaker 4 (18:58):
Yes, it all comes down to I mean, get deep here.
I think it all comes down to a lack of
feeling love. You know, when we grow up as kids.
One of the first things, like when you have an
adult that you feel safe with hugs you. You feel
what I feel. You can like go back to that
where you're feeling calm and like soothed and at ease,

and it gives you like a sense of safety and peace.
You know. That's that feeling that we're all really searching for.
That's like the crux of it.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Connection yes, human connection, yes, and it does.

Speaker 4 (19:30):
It really does stimulate like all of that, and I
think that that's ultimate health really, So.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
The reason acupuncture would help with that. Sorry, I'm just
piecing this all together because I find our body's past
and oh yeah yeah yeah. So when if you were
seeing someone who was identifying as an addict, for instance,
and you're helping them to do that, I just picture
for some reason, when the needle goes into the body,
like because maybe this is how it's felt to me,
is you literally feel the muscle go It's like if

you put a knee in a balloon or something, it
just kind of like the air like goes out of
it is what it feels like to me. And so
when you're doing that with someone who identified as an addict.
Is it just that release of almost the way that
like a good meditation can feel where you're like and
you can take the deep breath, your nervous system relaxes,

and then maybe you don't want to reach for the
drink or the drug or the whatever because you're calm.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Yeah, it soothes basically the nerds. It kind of creates
a cascade of events. So your body responds in a way,
you know, interestingly, just from the ear, that's what they
see that your body responds in a way that really
gets it from a fight and flight to a more
of a rest and digest. Sometimes you'll find that people

get to the point where they just want to sleep
and sleep and sleep. And people will come to me
and say, like, what the heck's going on? Like I
came here for energy and I'm exhausted. Yeah, I'm like, well,
that's because you're finally feeling what you're your body's been
trying to tell you and you're you know, you're adrenaline
isn't overpowering that that communication between your body and you.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, it's weird when you come out of fight or
flight because you're tired, you're and then you're like, why
can't I get anything done that I usually am like
knocking all out of the park. And it's like, oh,
because I'm not running on adrenaline like you said, I'm
not in a flight response.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
It's kind of crazy how that works.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, let's talk about menopausal symptoms, because this is something
that's become a big conversation between my friend Graupe. We're
all in our forties and I think we're starting to
have the perimenopause or somemer a little further along, and
the menopausal symptoms are real. It is like this being
a woman is tough. Man. It's like we go from
having periods to fertility stuff to then jumping into menopause

and it's just like it's a lot to navigate. So
how can acupuncture help with menopausal symptoms?

Speaker 4 (21:56):
So interesting that I was actually just gonna talk about
the un the young because that really seems a lot.
People might have heard of the yin and the Young,
they might have seen the symbol. So basically, the yin
and the young are really two opposing forces that we see.
It's like night and day. Everything that you see, like
when it gets dark or it gets light, the heat,
the cold, moisture, dryness, you know, all these two opposites

that you can't have too much of one. You need both,
so you also have the yin is more feminine, it's
more cooling, it's more dark, and then it's also more
inert energy versus the young, which is more heating, more movement,
more activity, and it's more male. And typically women will

have a little more yin. Yin is more cooling, more moisture.
You know, you think about like kind of slower moving.
You think about the egg. It's not moving as much,
but it's basically contained. And then the sperm is like young.
It moves, it has like energy yea, and men have

they tend to be a little more hot. You'll see
it will always lower the ac and the women fight
over it, like no, no, it's too cold, and they're
always bundled up. And that's usually because women have more
yin and men have more young energy. As they get older,
you will start to see that flip and why because
the yin aspect of women starts to go down, and

that's the yin and the young are also held with
the kidney's kidney energy is very much on top of
like a you know, it holds the essence of reproductive health.
So what happens is women's kidney yin gets deficient. Right,
what happens when the cooling aspect of anything goes down,
you start to feel more heat because the cool can't

contain the heat. So women will start to have hot
flashes and things will start to come out. So what
we do is we, oftentimes in conjunction with the acupuncture,
which really supports just the overall energy, we also work
on herbs. So we can work on herbs. Actually had
my best friend's mom came to me early on when

I first started, and she was having major night sweats
and this was postmenopause, and her doctor said, well, if
you keep having these night sweats, you're going to just
live with them forever. And so she came to me.
I put her on these herbs. I'm like, no, you know,
just take these herbs because you have like severe indeficiency.
So usually I'll give something that's a little more mild,

but then if that doesn't work, you just keep going
up because you don't want to cool them too much.
So I gave her one that was a little stronger,
and it like literally disappeared. Eventually she got off the
pills the herbals and it continued not coming back.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
So her body just had healed.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
It just it worked itself out. So it's that imbalance
of like things shifting. It's that and you're like, you're
almost like on a seesaw. So we're trying to work
it out. Sometimes we'll even give herbs that have both
the yin and the young because you don't want to
deplete too much or put too much on the yin,
and then it kind of goes back and forth. So

we try to make it like as even as possible,
and then you just tweak it as you see the
symptoms show, and then eventually it starts to even out.
So it should actually be an easy transition. Okay, it should,
It should, and it could and it could. So I
want to say that acupuncture works really well for that.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
Okay, well, I'm gonna tell all my friends.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
We mentioned at the beginning of the podcast that's you
are author also an author. Now the book is called
The Way of Fertility, Awaken Your Reproduction Potential through the
Power of Ancient Wisdom. So we've talked a little bit
about menopause, but I want to go back and talk
about reproductive health because I was researching on your website
and it just talks so much about what we've been

saying where our bodies are supposed to function. So if
you're having infertility issues, obviously, again this is another place
that Western medicine has gone. You know, can do so
many things now, it's amazing what we can do in
the fertility world. I did myself have some fertility issues
and acupuncture was one of the things that was recommended
to me as well, which I didn't really fully do,

and I regret that now because I do really think
that it can help. So can you talk a little
bit about how it works in reproductive health?

Speaker 4 (26:31):
And then also the book, Yes, so acupuncture works amazingly
for reproductive health. And again, it really just comes down
to this simple truth is that when your body feels good,
when your body has enough vitality in itself and overall health,
then it's able to sprout. And that's just it's just

like the nature. You know, if if you give the
nutrients to you know, to the oil, then you're able
to flourish, and it's just easier for plans to grow.
And so it's just the same with the body. And
it really does come down to that simplicity. I know
it sounds almost too simplistic, Yeah, but that is really

what it is. I mean, it's like it's supposed to
go that way, wants to go that way. The thing
is the way we're living. It really comes down to it,
and a lot of it is it's not even anybody's fault.
It's like the environment that they're in, the endocrine destructors, like,
it's things that they can't even like. It's very hard,
it's an uphill battle, and sometimes it's very difficult because

you don't want to overwhelm people. But the good news
is that there are things that people can do. And
once you organize and start having more clean products and
trying to really like counteract the assaults that we're getting
without even asking for them, you know, then it gets easier.
I mean they even found, you know, with certain oats

and cereals that they had a pesticide in them that
is known to cause for infertility. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I'm so glad that you're touching on that. It's not
anyone's fault, but it is something that I'm glad that
we're also starting to talk about just all the different
factors of the world that we live in.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Because you've said it perfectly.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
It's like we really aren't set up to succeed in
the way that our bodies are supposed to function. We
have so much stress, we are expected to perform at
such a high level for so long, for so many days,
for so many hours. No one can fully exist that
way without doing these things that are harmful to our bodies.

And that's not even mentioning all the stuff that's in
our food that's not talked about, that's FDA regulated and
all of that kind of stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:49):

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Yeah, the water.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I mean, you could go on and on and on,
and it is overwhelming, even like the products that we're
putting on our skin. And so I love that you
set it in the way of just it's like one
thing at a time, kind of navigating these different areas
that we can maybe remove some of the toxin their
toxic situations, but also like just learning how to help

our bodies out along the way in a small subtle ways. Yes,
acupuncture being one of them.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Yes, And in the book actually believe it or not,
I don't talk about nutrition because there's any of books
on that there's any of books that only talk about that.
Plus one of the things that I found, even with supplements,
like you say that one supplement's good, and then all
of a sudden, a couple of years later, something gets
like I don't know, debunked or changing. So I'm like,

I'm not going to keep changing this book every time.
But what I'm going to go to is something that
has been consistent through and through and that is ancient wisdom,
and that is at the heart of ancient medicine. So
a lot of ancient medicine it's based on, like this
Yin and Young idea and how balance and harmony is
really ultimately at the heart of vit like the best

potential of health and how that works. What are the
things to pay attention to. And another thing is that
you look at like a lot of ancient wisdom and
they'll always tell you the same thing. They always direct
you to go inside within. And we are living in
a time where we were constantly being distracted by the noise.

And I very much am a big fan of Jodaspenza.
I follow I go to his retreats. He does some
in Nashville too. Yeah, and you went to I.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Did so, but okay, recently, like last.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Year, incredible and so and so he does a lot
of research and there's a lot of science actually, and
I do kind of put in some research in the
book as well that reflects a lot of what has
been told for thousands of years been taught, and some
of his research shows that the mind, just through meditation

and certain types of practices, you can completely alter your.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Body one hundred percent believe that.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Yes, yes, So that to me, if you can nail that,
which is like it's like a harder and more sophisticated
thing to nail. However, if you can nail that, we
can bypass all these other all the crap that we're
exposed to.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
Yeah, it's so fascinating though, because as you were saying
the balance and harmony piece, it just dawned on me.
I'm like, isn't that the thing for everything.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
In our life? Though?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Like, that's what you would want in your relationships, right,
the balance of that energy that yin and that young
that I mean, that's what you would want in your
work life. It's what you I mean, it's literally what
we would want in everything. So if you really just
take anything from this podcast and you just take that
one principle. It's kind of it can be applied to
your mental health, your physical health, your relationships, basically just

everything in life.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
One hundred percent. And that's what they say, like the
yin and yan could be found in everything. It can
even be found in your mental cycle. Like the first part,
the follicular phase, which is from the time you get
your period until you get to ovulation. Your temperature is lower,
it's more yin, there's more cervical mucus. It's incredible. And
then once you get through that ovulation, it shifts. It

changes to young energy, and that's more progesterone, which is
a young hormone, and the temperature will increase and stay high.
And during that time, interestingly enough, you know you have
your corpus luteum. It has a yellow body, which is
like a warmer color and it's wild. But you could
see that superimposed onto everything in life. And so where

there's yin and yang harmony, there is always going to
be vitality, whether it's relationships, mind, sleep, anything.

Speaker 3 (32:46):

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Can you You've talked a little bit about the life
force energy, and that has been mentioned on this podcast
by so many different facilitators specifically. We just had someone
on I guess this is a month ago talking just
about sexual life force energy, and we were saying that
with women really specifically, like that is everything our energy,

our life force energy drives everything that we do. What
is life force energy though.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
It's basically what gives life to you. It's it's like
what you can see in a person's eyes, or you know,
you can see it in young people's eyes, like this
really like strong force and you can see it in
their eyes. Some people look more alive. It's what brings life,
It animates, you know, it's that. It's that and you
could see it. You could see when you're tired, you're
almost depleted of that at certain times, or if somebody

gets sick, you know they're depleted of that. It's that life.
It's it's what animates and brings life and breeds life.
It's like this prana. You know, they call it kana
an iravating medicine, or like the Vedas we call it chi.
But it's basically that thing that you can increase also
with exercise, and after exercising, you come out, you feel

like you're glowing. You just feel more alive. And it
also increases when you're meeting somebody for the first time,
you're super present, where if you're really really present after meditation,
it just it's it's like lasered and it can be cultivated.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Yeah, but energy is so tied to that because I
did I did a raiki session the other day and
I walked in very depleted, and I looked at my
face before I laid on the table, and it just
like was that droopy face almost, I guess, is how
I would describe it. And then after my session, I
stood up and I looked in the mirror and I
was it was almost like everything had tilted the other way,

Like my smile, my eyes were more bright, my whole
entire face looked different. It just looked more lifted and elevated.
And that's just again where I would say, our energy,
our chie our life force, all of the things that
you've mentioned to be flowing is so important to every
aspect of our health.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
Yes, absolutely, And like the life force, vitality, it has energy,
but it has intelligen as well. So even our awareness
when we put our awareness towards something or body. Have
you ever had like sometimes like areas at least I've
tried this during meditation. If I had a lot of tension,
I would focus on that area and I would just

watch it. And I found that just my watching it
had was feeding it energy. And that's where you know,
where we put our energy is where we like bring life.
So when we put energy towards something we don't want,
we kind of make it, we animate it, we make
it come to life. And the same thing so even
our focus and attention, actually that is a very strong energy.

And I think that that's why it's a multi billion
dollar industry to try to get our attention to certain
things through media. There's a reason for that. It's because
our energy feeds and it creates life.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
I didn't even think about that that way, what you're
talking about with the meditation that has happened to me.
I was taught this was really long breathworks and if
you got an itch or something, she would say, do
not touch it, like think about it, really talk to it,
but use your mind to get the itch to go away.

Speaker 3 (36:10):
And it works.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
And I know you guys might be listening like this
but is crazy right now, But it can work. And
the interesting thing goes back to what you were saying
about needing love and as humans like, that's such a
thing that I think we miss in our culture because
we're moving so fast. But if you're paying attention to
a part of your body that is hurting, it's just
it's being noticed then, And a lot of times I

feel like my body just wants me to pay attention
to it.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Yeah, I definitely do. It's alive, it's conscious, yeah, every.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
T Why don't we talk about that? No? I mean
it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
I know, we know technically we're alive, but I actually
have started talking to my body and it's amazing the
changes I'm seeing and just my well being in general
throughout the day from doing that.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Oh, it's an asset. I mean, that is just it's
an nobility that we have that most people don't use
because they don't acknowledge it's real.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I could go on about this stuff all day. Obviously
if we can't tell. But again, the book is called
The Way of Fertility. I will put that a link
to that book in the description of this podcast. But Michelle,
if people want to stay in touch with you or
find more information about what you do, where would they
find you, oh.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
Thank you. So they could basically go to Michelle orbits
dot com. It's the easiest way to find me, and
there you can find my instagram which is at the
Wholesome Lotus Fertility, or my podcast. I do a fertility podcast,
just the book anything.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
It's all there, all on the website, so I'll put
that in a description of this podcast as well. Thank
you so much for being here. You guys, go try acupuncture.
Let me know if you try it. I want to
know what y'all think. I'm a big fan. Thanks Michelle, Kelly,
thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
It was such a pleasure talking to you.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
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