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December 15, 2023 103 mins

You know that we are Covid-safe folks and advocate for a society that should take the Coco seriously, but there's so much propaganda, misinformation, ignorance and such around the Novel Coronavirus that we've found it very difficult to navigate the world in 2023 and know how to live in a way that protects us and others from a virus that can potentially fuck up your body permanently.


A bit ago, we said offhandedly in an intro that if we had any listeners that were epidemiologists, we'd love to ask some questions about what is safe to do these days. See a movie? Go grocery shopping? Leave the house? We have a VERY literate audience, and a number of epidemiologists listen apparently because we got a number of offers. The first person to reach out was one of our guests today epidemiologist Zoe Spieler, a listener, and her friend Michelle Dressner, another epidemiologist.


Even though initially, they were just going to answer our questions privately, a lot of listeners reached out and wanted to know the answers as well, so we asked Zoe and Michie if they'd mind us recording the convo and putting it out as a bonus, and they were game! First of all, HUGE THANKS to them for doing this, and second of all, GIANT THANKS TO THEM because not only did they answer our questions, but Zoe and Michie did a broad survey of the scientific literature first! We get into the current state of the scientific consensus around the Coco, what are the current suggested safe procedures, and a lot of other stuff, including why so many people have lost their goddamn minds these days! Hopefully this will help you as you decide what to do for the holidays!


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