Talking In This Climate

Talking In This Climate

An exploration of climate language, metaphors, framing, trust, emotion and misinformation, this podcast is dedicated to empowering listeners with mindfulness about the way they communicate climate change and environmental issues. We would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the lands on which we gather, learn and communicate - the Gadigal people, the Jagera people as well as the Wurrundjeri and Boonwurrung peoples of the Kulin Nation. We pay our respects to Elders past, present and emerging. We would like to acknowledge the pivotal role that First Nations Peoples have taken in caring for Country, fighting for climate justice and sharing knowledge. We would also like to acknowledge that treaty was never ceded. We would like to acknowledge that our work - sharing knowledge through storytelling - is a traditional First Nations' practice and has been happening on these lands for over 70 000 years. We have a lot to learn, and are open and seeking to include First Nations' perspectives on climate communication. We endeavour to approach this podcast by actively listening more deeply to and learning from and through First Nations Peoples' perspectives and knowledges. We will also embrace the discomfort that comes with the learning process, and continue to reflect and make changes as we go. Join the Facebook group to comment, ask questions and provide feedback: bit.ly/3vMZZCL For more great podcasts on similar topics, visit the Climactic Collective website: climactic.fm

Episodes

Ep. 12: Playing for deeper engagement on climate change

October 31, 2021 • 75 mins
In this episode, learn how play can be used to provoke productive conversations about climate. We chat with Harry Lee Shang Lun, the game designer of Convergence. Written in collaboration with Noongar researcher Cass Lynch, and commissioned by Arts House for Refuge 2021, Convergence is a hybrid web and tabletop experience that invites players to question what decisions they will make to create and break a world living through cl...
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Ep. 11: How to spot and protect against climate mis- and disinformation

September 10, 2021 • 56 mins
In this episode, we discuss misinformation and disinformation on climate change, what it is, how it is manufactured, its impacts, and how you can identify and protect against it. Misinformation and disinformation may be one of the most influential weapons that powerful individuals and companies use to stifle action on climate. It's time to call it out and talk about what to look for, how to break it down and what measures can be ta...
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Ep 10: Why it's ok to feel eco-anxious, learning to live with climate change, a conversation with Dr Blanche Verlie

July 30, 2021 • 58 mins
Feeling anxious about climate change? Reflect and recharge with this unique episode where we explore emotional responses to climate change with Dr. Blanche Verlie, member of the Sydney Environment Institute and author of Learning to live-with climate change: From anxiety to transformation. In this conversation we flip the teacher/student dynamic and have one of Blanche’s previous students, our co-host Zoe, interview her. Join ou...
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Ep 9: How the arts can connect and sustain us in the climate movement

June 27, 2021 • 41 mins
Can music, film, literature and art inspire climate activism or change our perspectives on climate change? In this episode, we discuss non-academic examples of climate change communications. Arguably, pop culture can have as much, or perhaps even greater, impact than academic literature on getting us to think differently about climate change and the world that we live in.   In preparing for this episode we each shared a short...
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Ep. 8: Why is the messenger important in climate messaging?

May 4, 2021 • 50 mins
In this episode, we take a deeper look at “the messenger” and why it can be important to understand different messengers in climate communications. We refer to research from David Holmes, Director of the Monash Climate Change Communication Research Hub and explore the issues of trust, effectiveness and things to be learned from messengers.  Join us as we discuss a number of ways to become more mindful, emphatic and, overall, bet...
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Ep. 6 (part 2): Our Climate Stories

February 19, 2021 • 25 mins
Why do some people care about climate change more than others? In this episode, Amélie interviews Tim and Ewan as they reflect on how their past has led them to care about climate change, and what keeps them going. We are reminded that everyone has their own unique story, regardless of their level of engagement with environmentalism. Both find talking about climate with loved ones challenging, but continue to seek commonalities and...
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Ep 7: Below the surface - language of maps and nature

February 6, 2021 • 30 mins
In this special episode, we interview Soo Ryu, a PhD fellow at the Aarhus School of Architecture. We discuss non-verbal ways of communication, with a focus on the power and limitations of maps to reveal and conceal. We also consider our terrestrial biases and how our worldviews can be constrained by using words like ‘nature’ that reinforce our separation from the world around us. This episode will be showcased at the 2021 Sustainab...
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Ep. 6 (part 1): Our climate stories

January 30, 2021 • 39 mins
Why do some people care about climate change more than others? In this episode, Rosie, Amélie and Phani reflect on how their past has led them to care about climate change, and what keeps them going. We are reminded that everyone has their own unique story, regardless of their level of engagement with environmentalism. All three find talking about climate with loved ones challenging, but there are lessons for how positive interacti...
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Ep. 5: Feeling our experiences, the pros and cons of apocalyptic framing of climate change

December 17, 2020 • 63 mins
In this episode, we examine the use of apocalyptic framing in climate change communications. Traditionally, the end has been nigh for religious and moralistic reasons with a call to repent (though it is safe to say this year has been uniquely challenging and thrust most of us into an existential whirlwind!). Apocalypse Forever? Post-political Populism and the Spectre of Climate Change by Erik Swyngedow challenges apocalyptic framin...
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Ep 4: Natural capital to ecosystem services, how economic metaphors may be manipulating our realities

December 7, 2020 • 70 mins
In this episode, we poke a stick at economic metaphors that are commonly used to describe sustainability and the environment. In the West, under a dominant neoliberal-capitalist milieu, we take stock of how this influences the way we communicate about nature, and the material dangers of doing so. Economic metaphors are not benign, and the longer we ponder, the more power it seems is embedded in metaphor. Indeed, words like "natural...
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Ep 3: Addicted to conflict? Climate in journalism and the media

November 11, 2020 • 48 mins
In this episode we look at the chapter “Journalism, Climate Communication and Media Alternatives” by Robert A Hackett and Shane Gunster from Carbon Capitalism and Communication. This book examines the role of communication in discussing the climate crisis. Specifically in this chapter, Hackett and Gunster critique the typical climate narratives explored by journalists and offer their perspectives on three approaches that are more e...
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Ep 2: Different ways of knowing through storytelling

November 9, 2020 • 69 mins
In this episode we refer to a chapter Different Ways of Knowing: Trees Are Our Families Too, by Gladys and Jill Milroy, in Heartsick for Country: Stories of Love, Spirit and Creation, edited by Morgan, Mia and Kwaymullina 2008. In this chapter, the authors write that Western knowledge tends to exclude and marginalise many other ways of knowing, while imposing a belief in its superiority over all other ways of ‘knowing’ when in real...
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Ep 1: Climate language and meaning in the search for 'blue ice'

November 8, 2020 • 76 mins
Have you ever found yourself lost for words? Maybe it's because there are no words — at least in the languages you speak. In this episode we look at research from the northern boreal forests in Ontario, Canada with the Cree, Ojibwe and Ojicree indigenous peoples. The study aimed to better understand the indigenous perspectives of framing climate change adaptation. Interestingly, these indigenous languages have no equivalent word fo...
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Ep 0: Hello and Welcome

November 6, 2020 • 6 mins
Welcome to Talking In This Climate, where we explore how to become more mindful and effective communicators of climate and environmental issues. In this episode, meet the creators of the podcast and our aims for the journey ahead.
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