R&B Money: Chris Brown

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
R and B money.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
We are.

Speaker 1 (00:07):
Thanks, take out the child. We are the authority on.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
R and D.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank and this tell
him what it is. Ship.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Yeah, hold on, hold on, yeah, motherfuckers, Oh, motherfucking yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
I'm not gonna do long intro. Do you know why? Why?
Because the people have been asking, not asking for two interview,
demanding interviews, two interviews. One was Jesus and the other
one christ Yeah. Yeah, yeah, ship ship, I'm gonna round

(01:00):
right now, y'all can't funk with us? Go ahead. I remember,
I remember I remember walking into the studio on your
second album and you're saying, big brot, I want you
to get on. I'm like, okay, cool, you know, come
up there. You know, probably gonna help you, right, help you,

(01:22):
help you really put the ship together. You know what
I'm saying, because that's what I do, help you put
your ship together. You know what I'm saying. I'm on
a high level. You know, I'm a high level producer,
writing and singer. You know you probably need me. I'm
on the way and I get in there and you
play this song called take My Time, and you said, yeah,

(01:42):
big brother, got I got I kind of modeled it
off after Sexual Pain and it's already good. You just
you just sing your verse, right, this is your verse.
And I was like, so he doesn't need it, and bro,
it was like the craziest I'd never seen a learning
curve that small to where first album it was like

(02:06):
people were giving you things, yeah, to learn that was
like school. And by your second album you had already
figured it out and it was scary to see. I
was like, where's he gonna be on his third album?
Where's he gonna be? And now too many years later,

(02:28):
now it's just records being broken. Now you're just breaking
your own records, trying to set againness world records and
it's not even it's not even close, you know what
I'm saying. We like to start to begin. I just
had to start there because I just I just when
I felt like I wasn't needed anymore musically, I just
kind of myself.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
But I called him I was like being broken on
the record. So it was like I didn't feel the
record at that time. It would be like me stealing
a record from you. Like what I'm saying that I
didn't involve you in the record because I'm like I
was inspired by your song to do the song. So
I was like, let me now get on the record
with me, bro Like, and I can talk. I can
talk a little bit more adult now on the song
because I'm older, you know.

Speaker 6 (03:11):
Before I had to learn and be like, oh, I
can't say that, I can't say this.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
And then by the time, like even working with you
from Kerry Hillson A Donnis, you know, like working with
all these different writers, Dre and Medal all them, like
back in the day, I was fifteen fourteen doing that
album for my first album.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Man, that's that was like learning.

Speaker 5 (03:27):
So like I said, I was in school, like, Okay,
this is how you do it. This is how you
make a song. There's a verse a pre course and
I didn't know none of that.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
So you learned that over a summer, bro. Man, that's
what it felt like. That's what it felt like. I
felt like that, and it took me to the place
of being where I was the teacher. It took me
to a place of being reverting back to a student. Damn.
Like watching him work like that, I was like, okay,
he different. No, we literally and I.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Don't know if we've ever told you this, but We've
literally worked with you, got in a car and then
implement it some of the ship you do.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Bro, You may look at us like the big brother.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
No, Nigga, we've literally worked with you and been like, nigga,
did you watch out?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
He and then he did his vocal this way. Oh yeah,
like no, we're paying attention.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Yeah, that's sporadic. How how we record? Like I learned
remember how everybody used to have to record like we
have to punch.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
No, it was really no punching.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
You had to sing that whole work, right, So once
technology got faster, I was like, we can still do
the same amount of effort as far as you remember.
How how how do my stack? So how's it's it's
faster to me because it's like in section and I
can just put them all together and then it looks
like a painting.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
So that's what I was kind of learning.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
So if y'all, if y'all implemented certain ship, I'm like, damn,
y'all was looking at what I was doing.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
I'm stealing. I used to word, it's a great word.
You know what I'm saying, Thank you stealing. I'm at
the house like Jesus Christ. How we get that. How
do we get that? I ain't gonna do the dance
move to go over and slow it down a little bit.
I ain't make it do that.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
He's here now, Chris is here, So Chris Brown, that's
Nigga Brown. Just so you know, that's Nigga Brown over there.
And he always mentions you when he mentions his dance
move for some.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Odd reason, because you have to understand, I'm the older
version of Chris Brown. Since this genuine won't do the dances.
You know what I'm saying, I tell the nigga. The
nigga first of all, come on, do to the fucking
pony dance. He won't do the fucking pony dance. So
it ubsess me. So now I got to pick up
the mantle. I gotta go back to my freaky days.

(05:43):
You know what I'm saying. Video I'm doing summersaults. You
know what I'm saying. I'm blowing up fucking buildings. You
know what I'm saying, Like, I got to go back
to those days just to show people I'm really that. Yeah,
So what are you telling you is he was yusie
for you? No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying
is don't don't think I ain't got feet. Y'all got

(06:03):
I got feet. They don't all work the same. No, Brown,
the two left feet, it's the left them. Let's talk
to the beginning then of when when did somebody identify
that you had something special?

Speaker 5 (06:20):
Or when did you I mean, as you know, like
I think I was like probably about nine when I
was like, Okay, I actually can sing. I was in
the choir and I was like oo, they gave me
the leads and I was like, I'm seeing people like
yeah baby when I sing church Yeah, And I'm like, yeah, oh,
I really sound good to these people because you know,
your family members always hate man, shut up, you don't

(06:40):
sound like So I really took a series like nine
to ten, and then my mom was we were in
Tapper handing, and I was like, look I met these people.
We just got to drive like an hour and a
half away, Like you met the people, Yeah, I met him.
I met the people through through through like one guy.
I met him through like three different people. So I
maintained a close relationship with a guy that was around

(07:00):
my age and we and we always did music, but
he would he would always dance, so he'll take me
to like the radio shows, like, look, let's go up
to the radio station while they doing like they knew
artist stuff. Let's let's see if we can slide in
there and we just play our stuff and we just dance.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
So I hung with him, and then he got.

Speaker 5 (07:16):
Noticed by like Troy Taylor's people and a group of
different different uh like guys that they knew around the
Virginia area. So from there we started working and then
I met the people I met in New York and
so now that was like all in like a three
to four year process. But it was like as soon
as I said, Mom, want to do this, it was
like basketball practice. Okay, drive, I don't know what You're
in the studio till six in the morning, Drive back nine.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
To eight and what age? And shit ten eleven? Oh man, yeah,
ten yeah, Mama. Mama.

Speaker 5 (07:46):
Mama was son the vision and she and she made
sure I still went took my ass to school. But
at the same time, she was like, all right, if
you want to do this, you're gonna have to have
the same discipline and you can't be slacking off on
certain shit.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
So I got too.

Speaker 5 (07:57):
Much energy as it is, so I was like shit,
I'm not feeling I'm finna do this.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Sorry. People writing songs for y'all, like producing songs. Yeah,
a group, like what's going on? Uh?

Speaker 5 (08:08):
Well, I was never I was never in a group.
The only group I was in was with my boy TJ.
Shout out to TJ.

Speaker 6 (08:13):
Free him.

Speaker 5 (08:14):
Uh but for him, yeah, yeah, yeah he yeah, he'd
be out in the buy the some time. But back
in the day, he was the rapper, you know what
I'm saying. And I would get on the songs with
him and just be on the courses like you know,
do hooks and stuff, and we would write little stuff
and it really won't like good at the time when
we was young, but it was for our age.

Speaker 6 (08:32):
It was like exceptional, Like okay.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
Y'all got your potention. Remember he was man my fans,
my my rap name.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
So he was TJ nice and see sizzle, so you
was you was a sizzle man. It was I was
playing basketball, so sizzle was a word you can say.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Back then, I wouldn't be Hurricane and these.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
He niggas would have never made it the hell out.
We wouldn't have made it get him out of here.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
I would have been the punk ass executive, y'all come
sing like, man, if you don't get sizzled and hurricane.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
The funk out of here. Man again, bro, look at
R and B. Look what R and B is down
for y'all too? Man, what was the next level up?
When it was like when was it like, Okay, this
ship is getting serious or we found a record or
we found a moment where so when I started, pros
are starting now.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
So I had my first I think it got serious
to me when I booked my and this had nothing
to do with music at the time, but because we
showcased our musical talent, we booked the job. It was
for a g unit campaign, right, and so like I
was like, you know what, fifty.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
C Hes gonna be able to see this. He gonna
be at the folk at the shoot.

Speaker 5 (09:47):
We can give my demo, we can sing, you know,
the typical like y'all want to get signs ship. So
we actually did that audition. They was like, man, you
kids are phenomenal, and they booked us. Boom, we got there.
We were backstage with all of them, like, but I
never really hung with Fifty at that time. He just
was always respectful, like what's up y'all boom. But we
was around Lloyd Banks a couple of different guys. But

(10:08):
we were bad little kids, like you know what I'm saying.
We already had weed and ship like, so we was
like we're trying to smoke our weed on the side.

Speaker 6 (10:15):
They're like, man, what y'all doing? And so like nah,
we wrapped and we see.

Speaker 5 (10:20):
So we started performing with them and then they was like,
you know what, man, y'all niggas is dope.

Speaker 6 (10:24):
And then I remember.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
One niggas like man, but we don't know how to
fuck markt No, damn kids, we some gangsters. So I
was like, so I was like, damn, Like I understood it.
But it was just like, Okay, this ship is about
to be real for us because other artists actually looking
and that not saying the typical art that's cool, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
So like real real artists and people.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
Was looking up.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
There was the hottest group at the time, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
So like for us, that was like seeing seeing gods,
like okay, cool, we get to see all our all
our idols in one and they like our stuff. And
then from there our demo tapes started going out like
we had a but I was only how I I
discovered I had a solo song that I did.

Speaker 6 (11:02):
It's called Who's Girl Is that? You can go look
at her YouTube.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
I was like, I think I was twelve or thirteen
when I shot it, So this was yeah, so so,
but it was like back then, you know, that was that.
It was like the bootleg videos, you know how man,
it's got to be two thousand and what three two?

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Might it might have been on DVD? I thought I
thought it might have been on VHS.

Speaker 6 (11:26):
No, no, no, we had we had it on the debut.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (11:29):
If it was VHS, I would be like, oh you
heard that the popping up for.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
The video stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
But when we did we did the video like it
wasn't It wasn't really expensive, but you know, because it
was independent, we was like, okay, cool, we're gonna we're
gonna shoot it like this and the demo tape. Actually
the video didn't even go out because we didn't have
no platform to put it on.

Speaker 6 (11:48):
We would just ship ship it or shop it with
our demos.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
So the demo I was number seven out of a
song of maybe like twenty eight, but with seven different
or seven or eight different artists.

Speaker 6 (11:58):
It was like a damn mixtape mixed up.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (12:00):
So but basically they were shopping it out to other
labels to see and I remember Tina Davis to this
day shout out to Teena Davis. She she listened to
the songs like who's this kid? And then I want
to meet this kid? And that's when I went to
death Jam and she had to meeting with us, and
then from there they wanted to sign us, and then
you know, a merger happened. She left and I was like,

(12:21):
hold on, but Tina, you listened to me first, so
could you you want to manage me? I don't got
no manage You're like, She's like cool, but you want
to stay here?

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Or I can get you some other deals? I said you,
So does the company get the deal and you're part
of that deal.

Speaker 5 (12:33):
So what it was was the company did a deal
with me when I ended up signing with with job
at the time, the company, we we just paid them
out for the work that they already did, and then
we gave them points on the album and they would away. Yeah,
so they always get credited, so that that that classic album.
They're always going to eat from it, you know what
I'm saying. So the way I looked at it was
it was cool because they didn't hold me into a nah,

(12:56):
you gotta.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
Be like this, we get we taking your publishing, they
need all this.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
They didn't. They didn't strong arm at all because and
they believed in the dream. You get what I'm saying
to this day.

Speaker 5 (13:05):
TJ's father was the guy who who really put it together.
So me and TJ are brothers, even with his kids
with everything. So it's like, how how I looked at
it was like.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
Damn, they gave me a shot and they let me.
They let me do what I needed to do.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Because there have been labels that have held artists and
you never get a chance to see if an artist
is going to become a star because they're just trying
to do what they consider to be business instead of
actually caring about the artists.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:31):
And then Mark Pitts how they did it with us.
With Mark Pitts, uh, the actual production company I was
working with. They they brought me right to Mark Pits
with Tina. So when we went to a job, they
was like, you know what, we don't want to let
y'all leave the building, like and I built a bigger
rapport with Mark out of any other A and R
that I would meet, Like, you know, Kevin Lowles was
cool as hell, but like Mark Pitts was like more young.

(13:54):
He was energetic, like he was like, hey man, let's
and you know job had everybody too. They had Britney Spears,
Aaron Carter at the time, recipes, uh r, Kelly, they
had everybody.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
So I'm looking like who who's going to be the
best for the genre that I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Who's going to be the best R and B genre?
You're already thinking about that fourteen?

Speaker 6 (14:12):
Yeah, because I needed.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I needed.

Speaker 5 (14:14):
I always always wanted to execute a plan and know
that it comes with a lot of shit, Like you
know what I'm saying, Like I'm not okay, I'm not
gonna just do this right now to get some girls
and then go back home. Anything I could do to
not go back home, like you know what I'm saying,
to elevate my life, I think I planned. I'm very imaginative,
so my.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
My, what is it called?

Speaker 6 (14:35):
My manifestations were already like years in advance.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Like I want to do this, so you know, so
you said, Tina Davis shout out to Tena Davis shout
out to the area. Yeah, yeah, what's your when you
get with Tina Davis? What is what is? First of all,
you spoke on it just like a little bit in
terms of you saying like something was something about her

(14:59):
made sense for you, in terms of saying, you know,
I want to roll with you. Yeah, what was that
thing that you just connected with that just made you
like because that's a different type of because you already
in a building. Yeah, I feel like, well she did.

Speaker 5 (15:13):
She really kind of like showed me the first the
first ten minutes of me being in the office because
we came in there, Me and TJ came in there
red rags on beads like.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
I had to get it.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
We came we came on some gangs, trying to look tough.
She's like, take that ship off, take all that off.

Speaker 6 (15:30):
Boom boom.

Speaker 5 (15:31):
And when we when I started performing, she would be like,
stop do this when you perform, act like that.

Speaker 6 (15:38):
This person the only person.

Speaker 5 (15:39):
So she gave me direction that i've that I've never experienced,
and I was like, this is the sharpening that I
need in order.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
To be big. You gee what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (15:49):
So once once she did that, I was like, damn,
she believed in me and gave me a chance with
somebody could have they could have just let me go
out how I thought it was gonna be.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
And then it was like, we don't want this.

Speaker 6 (16:00):

Speaker 1 (16:00):
We don't want this kid.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
She shaped it.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
So I was like, you know what, I don't want
to I don't want to traverse through this whole kind
of thing and not know where the fuck.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
I'm going that right there.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
I want to see if she wants to manage me
or be a part of it, because she she kind
of like open the spark up in my in my
creative brain or seeing what I really needed to be.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
And I think I'm the reason I was asking you
that is because as as like just as new artists emerged,
I think, you know, we see we see new artists
with this we definitely a great level of confidence. But
I want artists to make sure they' putting themselves in
a position with people that challenge them. Yeah, challenge them
to be better.

Speaker 5 (16:40):
What is it called what we conditioning? Not conditioning like
when we were younger, you have to go through artists,
developments development.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
That's what it was.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
So so as far as what we have to do
is like you got to go through media training.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
You gotta go.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
You got to know how to answer a question, like
you got to know how to think about lost art.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
You got to lead the interview. Yeah, like there they
have a goal. But I have a fucking call, right, fact,
I got ship that I'm selling. Yeah exactly, Okay, what
question you asked me? We don't get back to this
fucking I promise you. That takes preparation, though. That takes preparation.
And I remember my first time meeting you in New York.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I think he was like fourteen, maybe about to be fifteen,
at Ethiopia's office when she was in publishing at the
time at the Universal Music Publishing Company. And I was
there on the writing trip and I never forget he
walked in there. She said, it's a kid you got
to meet. She's like, you have to meet him. She's like,
he only in here for minute, but you got to
meet him. And she brought you to that room, and

(17:39):
I literally, like you said, within five ten minutes, I
was like, oh, he about to be the biggest on
the road.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
He was in the writing room. I was in the
little writing room. I was in the little writing room.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
I was like, Yo, whoever the fuck that is that nigga?

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Everybody in trouble. She's like, you know how that is
because she was signing you from a publishing seat.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
She was working with you on that, so you know,
of course it's it's kind of one of those and
you know the stage where everybody everywhere you're going before
you crack off, your auditioning everywhere pretty much just in
your personality whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
So when I tell her, she's like, yeah, I think
you start. I'm like, yo, he got it.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
It's like he has it, And I hadn't seen anything
like that because to me, you were already even at
fourteen fifteen, in my opinion, you were already in the
space of, oh, he's going to be able to transition
into an adult artist too, even though you hadn't put
out none of your kid record. I saw it with

(18:39):
you and just from your personality back, you know, but
what they used to call call it managed nigga, he
was managed.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (18:46):
I was looking at everything.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
With a skirt.

Speaker 7 (18:50):
Who that what's the name? I'm like, that's the country.
It starts early in the country. Yeah, you grow fast
and fastest, so.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
You're making when you get with you now you start
making rounds. Yeah right, because you you made you made
heavy rounds very early that most most new artists don't
get to make. You know what I'm saying. And you
made a stop at the underdogs. Oh yeah, facts, oh yeah,
And I'm looking at this little nigga, I'm like, okay,

(19:26):
I was.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
I was nervous to though, I ain't a lot going
in there with y'all because you gotta think I'm still
learning singing, like it's still I had a natural talent,
but like to be in there and and here y'all
running scales all that.

Speaker 6 (19:38):
I'm in there sweating.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
But I'm not going to let you. You were scared
you was going back with us though, he was like
devil at him. I'm like, can you dance? He said, yeah, nigga.
I was like you then. I think it was a

(20:01):
DVD or tape of something, and I said.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
That showed you the whole I say, that's when we
did the little school runs and I was showing you
like the performance, said, oh you you can.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah. I'm just I'm just trying to find a win.
I'm like, can you hoop niggas? Yeah, niggas, I can hoop. Yeah,
let's And it was like at every turn it was
like this nigga is different. This nigga do everything we sing,
he danced, he hoop, he managed. I love this nigga

(20:38):
and not to speed forward. But there was a point
where I was like, Okay, first you get a here record,
let's start there. Out the gate, out the gate. There
was no sputter for you at all. I was. I
was just surprised though I was.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
I was like, I didn't even realize how big the
record was gonna be, Like not to kill it now.
But I hated the record because I was doing R
and B R and B songs, so like Scott Stories,
I was like, man, I don't know what a hit is,
so I'm not gonna tell him that this is.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Not a hit, right, And he got a gang of hits. Yeah.
So I sat in there like, man, I don't really
like this song me in Miami.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
I'm trying to tell teen and all them, like, I
don't think this is fun me this song ain't. We
got so many other songs like the your song.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
The your song. I'm like, so.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
I'm thinking all of that type because I wanted to
be more, more vulnerable or not, but I also wanted
to kick ass on the dance and I wanted to
show off that. So they was like, nah, trust me,
this is it put it out and I didn't. When
it blew up, I said, what the It's like, I'm
still in like, what is it called imposter syndrome?

Speaker 1 (21:45):
To this day, I.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
Still know the feeling of how I felt when that
shit went crazy.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
So when you do your difference, we went by that
because I always asked this question, and at this point
you're like fourteen fifty fifteen, when first you get to
do did they let you touch the money?

Speaker 5 (22:11):
So how I did it? See a lot of people
don't know. I didn't get signed for like you know
how people get signed for. Oh I got signed for
me and eight men.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
Back then it.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
Won't So I got signed for like one hundred and
fifty kay, right and so and then from there, because
I was under age, my mom was in control of it.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
But most of it would be like in.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
A trust yeah yeah, the Coogan account, yeah, cooglandcount so
I wouldn't be able to touch it. So obviously we could
she could go and withdraw stuff if I wanted to
make purchases or I wanted to do stuff. But nah,
I still was every bit of a teenager that they
made me.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So as a teenager's the what's the first thing you buy?

Speaker 6 (22:45):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Do you escalate? Bro? Off? The deal that what you got?

Speaker 6 (22:50):
No, you know what it was?

Speaker 5 (22:51):
Was it an escalator? And it was like an, I
don't know if it's not. It might have been escalator
or for Ford something. I remember it's a big truck.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
It's been a while.

Speaker 5 (23:00):
I had the Lamborghina doors on it, and like I
put the doors that come up, like your first car,
your first car.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Had Lamborghina doors. This is getting I was about to get.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
I swear I was about to get a Honda Civic.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
Bro, I was about to get a Putt that was
gonna be my first car.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
But it was like it's definitely your uncle God, you
definitely gotta be real related.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
So sure, because I was gonna do with the suicide
man the butterfly doors.

Speaker 5 (23:32):
Yeah, bro, Like I'm from I'm from partial South, like
Virginia is the South.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
But you know what I'm saying, So you don't just
listen to what DC Maryland, Like what d C and Maryland?
They mirror the South, Yeah, period, like we mirror everything South,
like we went through East Coast phase with Big Ee,

(23:58):
but we mirror the fast money.

Speaker 6 (24:00):
Was it Tappahannock?

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Definitely just cash money? Was you you?

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (24:06):
Everybody?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
You know, your purchase is the best one that we've had.
What nigga, that's sixteen you bought?

Speaker 5 (24:13):
But I had the amps in the back too. I
had like I ain't gonna lie. I took out the
whole back seat. It's like it was like six six sixteen.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
And knocking locking, He's full nigga.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
I was in Virginia thinking, I was, you know, you.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Pull up on that skating ring with that Oh god,
it it's lik first hit record. What changes for you
in your mind? Now? I mean now it's not now.
Now it's not guesswork. Now things are like this is
what I do. Now, things are automatic. Now, things are
like it's more so what I need I can get.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
It kind of was like you know, when the kid,
when I could just go to the movies with my
homeboys walking.

Speaker 6 (24:53):
Because I did everything as a as a regular kid.

Speaker 1 (24:56):

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Even being in Harlem, to be in Virginia like I did,
like regular shit, So I was used to being around
people and being in an environment. As soon as that
song went crazy, I couldn't go nowhere. I couldn't go
to the mall. Like if I walked outside of the
neighborhood that I was in, it would be people running
down the street like, so I.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Was still in Virginia. No.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
Well, and but Jay took me out of Virginia as
soon as as soon as I shot the deal, like
I think my record came on. I was in tenth
grade when my song came out when I got my
record deal, so and I didn't leave school until after
my song had already hit the radio. So they's like,
we got to pull them, we gotta, we gotta get
them out of there. So then from there, I went
from Virginia to Jersey, so so I could be closer

(25:35):
to uh, New York. But I couldn't even walk down
the street there like I was. We would literally have
to drive in the garage every time we come home
and shut the door. So nobody knows what's.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
The what's the mindset of that for you?

Speaker 2 (25:46):
As this sixteen year old fifteen sixteen year old kid, like,
how does it? Because that's the one thing it's bro,
And I know, I know he can attest to this
because we are all so close and we've all known
each other for so long.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
We have so many conversations that come to.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Us about you, right, and my things always been. I
can't tell him. I can only tell him so much
because I haven't had that experience. And that's a very
real thing that I think people have never truly taken
into account that, Bro, this has been your life since

(26:24):
fifteen years old, Like, just tell me if you can
remember that as being like a fifteen year old, Like, yo,
they're pulling me out of school. I can't go outside,
I can't go to the movies.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
You know, a lot of kid no more because of
my challenging spirit. I like challenges.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
It was amazing thing because could I be real?

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Because guess what if? Well, now I'm gonna look at
the bright side. I ain't got to be in school.
I ain't got to be I could do my I
got a two do.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
I don't got to be there. I could do.

Speaker 6 (26:54):
I can go out.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Did you finish? I'm going yeah I did, if you did.

Speaker 6 (26:57):
But I ain't gonna lie. I took the first two
years off.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Of high school though college.

Speaker 5 (27:04):
Yeah, so I was originally supposed to be the seven.
I'm kind of yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
So technically your two years younger to Yeah, I'll take
it ship.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
But yeah, man, it was so for you you adjusted
to it. Yeah, it wasn't and it would be fun.
I would still do regular ship. I would just make
sure I have my niggas around, like my homeboys, some
of them be in school.

Speaker 6 (27:24):
I'd go to their school.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
So my cousin just on a Friday, Hey, y'all.

Speaker 6 (27:29):
Come outside, the girls out saw the window screaming.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Then after that they come back to school on Monday.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
They the man in school, you know.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
So I used to go to the mall ship bow
Bo did this ship too, like shout out to bow
But we used to go to the mall, and I
did it by myself, just to see what it was.
I used to go to the mall and just go
to one store it's popping in Virginia and like, hey
that's and then take off running and wait.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
You would run before it even gets started take off.
We did this all the time, man, and it worked.
I'm talking about they would chase you was running out
of Men's Land. I was run out. I was at
I think Virginia Center. Comments. That's what it was we.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
Used to go to. And then I used to be
at I used to go with what it was it
up against the wall. It was another dt L A detailer. Yeah, said,
I'll be right there. They had to ship there, man,
what all the girls being there? So and then I
go in there and start with my homeboys to come
with me, and then I sing just so they notice
who I am, like just on some young ship. Then
they'll be like, hold on that, there's some R and

(28:36):
V ship, R n V ship.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Nigga can't just bust out rapping. Yeah, you look around
and facts it worked, absolutely worked. Okay here here, here's
what I want from you. Right when did you meet him?

(29:00):
When it was the Scream tour that first album, that
first album, right, I think it was. It had to be.
It had to be like first album and the first
album fatigues, yes, first album, yep. Okay, So so I'm
watching I used to watch you in the Marion Battle. Yeah,
and I used to I used to watch oh get you. Yeah,

(29:21):
you would you would be like fuck, you would be angry.
Nigga was nigga all right, and I'll be back.

Speaker 5 (29:30):
But I always say this to his day at that time,
his discipline and what he learned and how he gets
that niggas was.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Not fucking with that boy. He's a monster.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
I don't know about now because I get off now,
but at that time, that boy was a monster.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
He was a monster. But I want to go to
the Scream tour. I was using that to set up
set up the Scream tour, and my cousin, my cousin
and my people wanted to go to the tour, so
we can't. We came to see you, and we came
backstage and everything, and I'm watching you on stage and
I had I hadn't seen you perform since the album

(30:08):
was out, since everything was going crazy, I hadn't seen
you perform yet, and you know, all had the records
and he was, you know, of course he was headlined.
But I watched you come out in those black fatigues
and I watched I can't do the move. I watched

(30:30):
like you was the crumping up and you were like
paulse you was. Your arms were out this wide you was,
you was. It was the like the whole fucking stage
was in between y'all, and I'm looking. I'm like, he's
getting ready to pass the guy. He's getting ready to
pass him because I didn't see a kid on stage.

(30:52):
I saw a grown ass man on stage at the
screen tour. He's getting ready and I'm looking at my
little cousin. She's like, oh my god, you all right?
You know, we go to church on Sunday, you know,
we have today's fri listen, and we go backstage to

(31:14):
to take her to meet him and she sees, she
sees this nigga Chris in the flesh and she goes,
mm hmm, see you are little? Did you ask that
you are little? That night I saw you, there was
for me the beginning of the separation of you going

(31:35):
to another place because I felt like you were I
felt like you were angrier, you were more aggressive, and
you had something in your mind that you were aiming.
You know what it was?

Speaker 5 (31:44):
Though, even being on that tour, like what I learned,
and I learned from Bio a lot.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
You know, he's like one of the greatest showmen as
far as so the lack of discipline that I had.

Speaker 5 (31:56):
I had a great amount of training, meaning like Okay,
Sam's you know, everybody, they gonna they're gonna get us
right with the moves, were gonna have fun. And I
was able to be also creative too. They didn't just
say we're gonna do this. They let me come up
with some things. But the thing that I felt that
I lacked was the experienced one and and just the
discipline that everybody else had, you know, we it was

(32:19):
B two K bow uh.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
It was so many other artists all polished here. Yeah,
so when you.

Speaker 5 (32:24):
Would see their shows, you would see the glitz and
the glamour. Like me, I had a DJ booth, just
a little DJ booth that I was slide from under
with the dancers with the little smoke, and then I
had a graffiti background, you know what I'm saying. And
they maybe maybe gave me like twelve minutes. I probably
had like not even that, it might have been eight minutes.
So I had to, you know, figure it out. But

(32:45):
seeing these other performers, it kind of like grew my
hunger for what I needed to be doing in order
to in order to be the person headlining, in order
to be the person that I think I can be,
you know what I'm saying. So a lot of them,
a lot of those guys and seeing their performers, seeing
their their quality and how out long they're dancing and
then they're just getting off and all the screens like
it was really the Scream Tour, Like you, it was

(33:07):
no other There's no other experience that I can tell you.
At that time, was like forget all the festivals and
stuff that they.

Speaker 6 (33:14):
Got going on right now.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Back then your ears were literally you would really go.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Definitely shout out to Michael Martin. I saw him during
the Grammy week. I never met him before, and I
just told him, I'm like, listen, man, what you did
just what I mean obviously what you've.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
Done in the business, pier, but that Scream Tour, Jesus.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
With giving that type of spotlight to young artists and
putting him on that type of platform. I don't know
anyone that's done that.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
I don't, I don't. I don't think it can be
done right now. It's not like with you, I think
that's sounds I can't even recreate. Like I was just
happy to be a part.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Of it, Like I was like, that's a legendary to
recreate with these phones. Man, that's the other part. Yeah, yeah,
because because because like that stay was like still in
that moment, it still was a place where you still
felt like this is the only place I'm gonna get
to see that.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
Yeah, I'm only gonna see this type of shit here.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
It was still that we hadn't gotten to the phone
yet to where you could get used to seeing that
type of shit all the time. It just runs all day.
That's them scream to it. It was really screams, yeah,
facts like motherfuckers. When you came on stage, it was
they was glued from from from from top to bottom.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
And I was nervous because that's like, you know, we
would performed before, Like I've performed at different places I
had to perform what is it playing in Hollywood?

Speaker 6 (34:38):
Different different places?

Speaker 5 (34:39):
But there's a little venues when you I'm in an
arena now, and it's even though are going first. The
parents back then they trying to get their kids into
the building early. So now if the show starts at
let's say nine, some people might not leave their house
to eight thirty, you know what I'm saying. So, but
back then, everybody's in there, sitting there waiting. So whoever

(35:01):
the first artist is, they either standing up or booing ship.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Did you like, speaking of booing, did you ever experience
a fucked up show early on?

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Like early on?

Speaker 5 (35:12):
No, No, I'm gonna be real, like I've never got
like a Boo, like a bad boot.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
I don't want to jinx myself, but but I've never
got like.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
He's not your nigga, but I've never I never got
Boo on a thousand hit records.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
But you're not getting don't worry about that. I almost
you said, you almost got Boo. It started off with
this money. That's my fault.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
His playlist was song wasn't working yeah radio so and
he still wanted to sing.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, which we're working. It was was spent seven thousand.
I started singing the songs little girls in the front
row looking at her friends.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
And.

Speaker 7 (36:00):
Oh god, I still got two minutes and it's a tape,
so that you you just gotta.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
Live that motherfucking out you started. That's when you start
thinking the most.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
That's when I started sweating. That's when you get caught
the mouth man.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Now I sucked up myself on stage, like did the
back flip slipped? But I play it off or like
you know what I'm saying. Then stepped off the stage
before and fell in the crowd.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
But yeah, they still feel bad for because you're just
being great.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah they still screamed.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Okay, oh my god, Okay, So off the first off,
the first album, you start to you start to see
what this thing is like. You start to see, you know,
what fame is like, and how how you're gonna adjust.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
Did you ever have like the can I do it again?
Because you know, people talk about the sophomore sophomore.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
I had that in my in the back of my
head probably every day, you know what I'm saying. So like,
for me, it was because the first album was like
a learning experience.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
I wrote with writers.

Speaker 5 (37:08):
I didn't really write, you know, it was really how
they kind of shaped what I what my ideas would be.
The second album was like, okay, cool, well you've been
You've been right at the song selections. You're picking the choices,
you know what you're doing. So but I feel like
it's like the challenge thing again. I was like, you
know what, I'm gonna try to prove them wrong.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
You fought for that.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
Yeah, like I said, I proved myself wrong with the
with the first album. So it's like now now I'm
gonna prove them wrong. I could do this ship.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
So I was.

Speaker 6 (37:37):
I had that sophomore JINX in the back of my head.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
What's the first first record from the second.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
The second album Damn Let Me You Make Me Go?
You know, I got a lot of Damn albums, man, I.

Speaker 1 (37:47):
Know. I think that's the album.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Records from the first from the first album?

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Was it kids, Kiss? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (37:57):
It was was that it had to it had to
Oh no Wall to Wall?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Oh yeah, well I think it was Wall. It was
absolutely absolutely Wall then Kiss Kiss. I imagine you're putting
together your show set.

Speaker 6 (38:13):
You know, look for tour now.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Bro, It's crazy.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
Because I'm trying to because you know, people are still
in love with the older songs, so it's.

Speaker 6 (38:22):
Like, I have no problem doing that.

Speaker 5 (38:24):
But the only difference is when people come to my shows,
I want them to see something like evolution.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
They're not seeing the last tour that they saw then
I seen the one before that. Every tour is completely
different and it gives them, you know, the same nostalgia.
But also with this with the new music. So it's
so hard for us right now. I even I even
put on my Instagram and Twitter, like, look what songs
y'all want me to perform? There was like all of
them bitches. I said, we're gonna be there for three days.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I'm not got to think you got to think of
it like this though, right, I always equated back to
like Frankie Beverly and May. Yeah, Frankie Beverly and the
same show in arenas for twenty years.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
With all due respect, they don't have a hundred.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
No, no, no, let me get into. What I'm getting
to is the variations of those songs that make it
old to you. Don't get don't get old to them.
Don't get old to them. But at least how you
how how they will see it? Yeah, they remember that.
They're telling that friends watch when he do this, he
do this thing when he sings, Watch when they're you're waiting.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
You got a point too, that's the point. But I
always want to how I look. I'll be like, you
know what. I want to always give them more.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
It's not like.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
Because you can see Chris Brown on YouTube, but you
can go see it and be like all right, and
then they're like, man, even fell off.

Speaker 6 (39:50):
I never want to hear that ship until I'm ready
to be like, look.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I'm tired, I think because new material. I'm not.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
You're not gonna be tired. But that was just hypothetic.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
You have like eight thousand songs and the what's the
longest show you've done? Ship?

Speaker 5 (40:03):
The last one we just did. We just came from
towards overseas. You came to it like two hours and
fifteen minutes.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Hold on, let's just why was it, Nigga, that's let's
go Let's go there. That's let's go there movie, that's
let's go overs ship. I was like, babe, we're going
over seas to Chris Brown. What the fuck are you
talking about? We're going to Paris. Pack your ship. We're
going to see Chris Brown. Told you now, so made
me tell you again.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Nigga, act like you have enough room in his bag
to bring me back a hoodie or nothing.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
No, no, Merchy don't like to travel like that? First,
Why you should can't? Okay, okay, march here now, merchant here,
march here. We were in Paris and we put up
to the venue I'm hitting and we're here. He's like,
all right, come to the back. And as we're at

(40:53):
the venue, it's quiet outside of the venue. So the show.
The show starts in like maybe like an hour. It's quiet,
there's no traffic, there's there's there's nothing. And I'm like,
this is weird. This is Chris Brown show.

Speaker 5 (41:12):
This is this is supposed to be It's supposed.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
To be off the chain, house side, motherfucker is supposed
to be bootlegging shit, all of shit. Right, we walk
into that Building's twenty thousand people already in there, probably
two hours. They are in their seats like this.

Speaker 8 (41:35):
Ready but everything Risponni's coming out Soon's just stating when
Crispan It's going to be so good and and you know,
we're so used to seeing shows, you know, in the
States and how people react in the States, but I
wanted to go to Paris because I wanted to see
people with a different mindset.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I wanted to see people completely free of what this
the state stigma is. You gotta be cool when people
supposed to ask how the dudes, I mean, I fuck
with the know what I'm saying, I rock with It
wasn't none of that. I'm watching grown men go ape
shoes these themselves in the music. When these songs come on,

(42:21):
I got a videotape of the entire arena jumping up
and die. I'm like Jesus, Rice and we had talked
about it before before you got the overseas tour, and
I said, Bro, I said, look, bro, the world is
getting ready to open up to you in such a
way that I don't even think you could you even
understand it. And you was like, he was like, bro,

(42:41):
I hear you, but I'm I'm I'm not gonna believe
it until I see it. Yeah, facts, I remember I
told you that. Yeah, And we and we were sitting
in your dress room backstage. I said, do you see this?
I said it, And I watched you for two nights
in a row. I don't know how the fuck you
did it for two and a half hours dance and

(43:02):
sing NonStop.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
Because I haven't been over there in a minute too,
so by me having a tour out there, I was like, damn,
this is I haven't toured over there in twelve years
in certain places twelve like like London, certain places it
has been twelve years. So I'm like, damn. So that
they got a whole chunk of history that they ain't
even sing. So I'm like, I can't be lazy and

(43:24):
go on stage and do sixty minutes ninety minutes and
be like, all right, cool, we just give me out
of new shit and getting out of the.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
Sixty ninety minutes is the that's the regular show. And
he's like, I.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
Can't be that because of the chunk of yeah, because beause,
because think about it, it's it's people that's my age
bringing their kids to the show, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
So they're like, now this is the person I like.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
So it's almost like teaching a class again, like okay, cool,
the kid.

Speaker 6 (43:51):
Might not know this song, but they mama know the
song and they gonna pray, you know.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
So.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
But in that in that space, it's like it's like
a different appreciation. Remember I was like, it's like not
the discredit, you know, the US, But at the end
of the day when you go.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Over there, it's like different.

Speaker 6 (44:05):
You're really appreciated for the music.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
All the time. Either like you said, they miss you,
they miss you. But R and B is still a thing.
Listen and I and I gotta say it like we're
not we're not slighting in the US, but the US
is spoiled. They see us walking down the street they see.
It's very to see. It's in Miami moving already, they
see us and so overseas like even just just even

(44:30):
outside of the presence, their their thirst and desire for
real music is just it's just different. It's still old
school over there. It's it's it's they know the words
her songs and don't speak English. That's gotta be graazy.

Speaker 5 (44:45):
That's that's that's phenom. I never I could never understand that.
It still makes me. I think I get more excited
when I when I when I see that because I'm like,
you know what, that that type of energy. They don't
know what the fuck I'm saying, or they might now,
but it's for them to like something that that bad
and you know what I'm saying, that takes dedication.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
Yeah, but you know the States give me my love too,
because I can't. I can't lie.

Speaker 6 (45:17):
Fuck the media aspect we talk about, like we talk.

Speaker 5 (45:20):
About when I when I, when we geah them asses
in them seats, you know what I'm saying, and so
and they real fans like my fan base. I can say,
you know, you got Nikki's fan base, Beyonce these fan base.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Yeah, but the.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Fans I feel like everybody there in their family, they
got they always you know, I always a comment. I'll
get on somebody, ask if they go crazy in the comments,
but I always listen and kind of like let them
dictate certain aspects of Okay, y'all want to hear this.
Y'all like this, like I like to be engaged with
them so they so they know that this ain't just
like oh all right, shut up and listen, and then
I'm gonna make y'all follow me this way.

Speaker 1 (45:54):

Speaker 5 (45:54):
I feel like as a family and the people that
support me there, I love this person. You know, it'd
be people's mama's kids younger, they be like, you know
where I let that boy like so, and I can
I can feel that energy. So when I get into
an arena, you know, the fans is the really one
to keep me in.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
Bro, you change the meet and greet.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Oh yeah, you got some flat all that too, Like nigga,
you literally change the.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
Meet and Greek. I'm gonna I want to say this, okay,
all right, they got on his ass like I'm not
doing okay, I might have to do something, Yeah you
got you gotta at least I might have to do something,
you know what I'm saying. But the Chris Brown meet

(46:36):
and Greek, it's out of control. You might need to
press that.

Speaker 9 (46:41):
Ship fun like I bet it's.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
Because look where else in the time, Like everybody usually
like you get your pictures back in the day.

Speaker 6 (46:51):
All the artists like, yeah, you like.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Like and I don't do I'm not doing like one
hundred and fifty people a night, like you know what
I'm saying. So might be a small intimate group of
people that actually spent that money that they might not
even have to come and meet me. So I'm not
gonna make their moment, you know, I don't want to
make their moment, just something, Hey, what's up?

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Let me sign this?

Speaker 6 (47:10):
Get the fuck out.

Speaker 5 (47:11):
Like that's weak to me because I feel like these
are the same people, no matter how big of that
group or smaller that group, I feel like they're the
same people. That's a part of the family aspect. So
so and some of these girls, I mean that's the
bucket list. Some of them they like, Look, all I
want to do is just be able to be on him.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
Cool.

Speaker 6 (47:27):
As long as you ain't got COVID.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
We're good. I should tell my wife she should loosen
up and let me. Yeah. Yeah, but you.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
Can't do no motherfucking pictures with your shirt off because
then you can't.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
You can't. You can't gauge the person. You lick your
stomach and something you're gonna be like hold.

Speaker 10 (47:47):
On you that you get off now, But you do
got you also, in my opinion, bro, like I've met
a lot of people, I'm friends with a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
We've been in this industry a long time, and I
really believe that you are the most.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
How can I say you're.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
The your cares bro cook absolutely care, but the most accessible.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, superstar I've ever seen literally, bro.

Speaker 5 (48:21):
Yeah, Like I feel like I feel like Jill probably
humbled me on that one.

Speaker 6 (48:27):
That Yeah, there's that.

Speaker 5 (48:28):
But being able to like go through shit and not
have to be, you know, walk a thin line because
a lot of artists have to walk in thin line
unless you're independent. If you're like the mainstream, you can't
do this. You can't be associated with somebody, You can't
do a song because of how it looks. Once that shit,
like once I was able to still do music and
they was and I got to be my regular nigga,
Like I got to be myself. Man, funk all this

(48:50):
extra shit. I can look if somebody come up to me,
what's up you like with music?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
All right?

Speaker 11 (48:54):
What?

Speaker 6 (48:54):
I appreciate it?

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Cool?

Speaker 5 (48:55):
Can I get a picture if I'm in a go
Sorry not right now, but I appreciate you boom.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
If I'm not, it's miss a million pictures.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Whether I'm drunk, whatever it is, I'm gonna take a
picture with somebody like because I've been able, I've been
humbled through whatever my experiences are. Like, so I done
went through bullshit. I and went through you know, normal
nigga shit. So it's like, you know what, let me uh,
let me not take this ship for granted and be
appreciative every single second, every single time I get to
get a chance to like do anything or be around somebody.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
This is a flowers pod, right, and so this is
for you, your flowers. Take a second to to to
speak on team Breezy and and staying down with you
through thick and thin. What is that feeling like to you?

Speaker 5 (49:41):
It's the it's the imposter syndrome again, like you know,
because it's it's it's unbelievable. Like sometimes I wake up
I'm like, damn people go by, like whether I'm promoting,
I don't care if it's some shoes I'm promoting, or
there's a there's a following of people.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
A big following of people who who support me, you.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
So that also makes me, uh like cherish where I'm at,
bro a team breezy, Like even to have a name
for people.

Speaker 6 (50:06):
To follow you is kind of crazy, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
So I feel like I'm appreciative, like my fans know
how much, and I try to let them in on
stuff I talked to them, like I remember because somebody
dates for the tours will come.

Speaker 6 (50:18):
I say, look, y'all, get on my damn nerves.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
If y'all ain't got the damn you sit, ain't only
got this, shut up the puck up and.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Go to the next city.

Speaker 5 (50:25):
So so so like but but I'm able to I
wouldn't even be in this chair right now, like but
y'all my brother, so I probably would be in the chair.
But any success or anything that that's further that these
songs that I'm putting out like that, ain't that ain't
us paying somebody off and trying to like please, like
you know, what I'm saying, that's that's really the fans,

(50:45):
you know what I'm saying, and they and they kept
me here twenty almost twenty years now, so it's like
for me to have that connection with them, it's probably
the biggest thing ever, you know. So so I'm maybe
that's why I'm always thirsty and still doing me is
why he's still doing this? Why it because of y'all?

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Like that's the reason real talk shout out to team Yeah,
I talked the Team Breezy oft. I talked the Team Breezy,
you know, as as as as as a Team Breezer.
You know what I'm saying. Whatever with you shout out
what's your favorite album?

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Out of mind? Damn it's you know what it is?

Speaker 6 (51:28):
Can I have two?

Speaker 1 (51:29):
You can all? I got Eleven of the Motherfuckers?

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (51:33):
My two will be my first one because of the
experience that what we talked about earlier, like how it
felt everything was was was amazing. So I think the
first one and then my fame album. Yeah, I got
the Grammy Grammy album. And the reason why I say
that is because of the ship I had to go
through around that time and still make music and people

(51:57):
still listening to me despite maybe not for tking with me.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
For real, I'm not.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
Liking New York, you know what I'm saying. The first
canceled Nigga, So you know, so those two albums kind
of like were milestones in my career, Like the first
one has shown me that I'm I'm able to do it,
and then.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
That album like, Okay, you can do it. Yeah, I
can do it again. I'm gonna go. The first album,
first album as a classic exclusive is special to me.
What's your favorite Chris song? In the goal is what's
your favorite Chris song? Okay, I know mine off the

(52:37):
top of my head.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
It changes, he just plays I still got my favorite,
though you don't have your favorite.

Speaker 1 (52:46):
It changes every time he plays me.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Something he just to this day, yeah, to this day.
The Nigga played it for me a record plan, and
I said, Nigga director tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
The record the record that the record that haunts me,
like a record that when I hear it, it takes
me to where I was, like, it takes me back
to Paris and watching on stage. It's indigo. Yeah, It's
something about the feeling, It's something about the conversation. It's
something about Indigo, Bro, that is so special to me.

(53:23):
I don't know what it is. It's the melodies, it's
the trust, the production, it's the words, it's like my life.
I'm like, it's special to me, super special. And Heat.

(53:45):
And the reason Heat just got so embedded was because
everybody thinks I'm singing on it. Everybody thinks I'm singing
on Heat, and I never said I wasn't singing on Heat.
You know what I'm saying. I don't think he knows
what songs he's on one of yours, since Chris I
think I'm singing backgrounds. I was just I was just

(54:07):
in a sensation on the other day and I was like,
I was like, why does he sound like me on
the end of this song? Why is his ad libs?
I said, funk, I did the ad libs? Got it?
Got it? Because Chris will be like, get the boof
and just sing something this ship.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
Yeah be because I just need his voice and backgrounds
and he knows where to put the pockets at. So
I'd be like, it'd been damn it, eight to nine
songs already.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
He never remembers though, we'd be doing so much of it,
and for me, it's just like in your space, I
just try to make myself available for whatever it is
you need. You know what I'm saying, whether it be
whether it be musical conversation. Another question I wanted to
ask you is probably a deeper question in and now

(54:56):
in your stages of being a father. We we have
so many loves, right, and love changes in terms of
what it means as we grow. What does love mean
to you? Now, that's a deep question. What does love
mean to me? Uh?

Speaker 5 (55:14):
Love is scary to me, but at the same time,
like it's too I'm full of it, you know what
I'm saying, I'm full of love.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Like so I feel like.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
My kids kind of like made me appreciate what that
word mean, what the word meant like to love something
outside of yourself, outside of anything.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
That's like, that's that's great segue. Are they are? Are
they making you more free to love, more open to love? Yes?

Speaker 6 (55:39):
And no, they're they're making me more open to loving them.
Then like I'm just.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
I'm pouring all my love into them, but you're also
very protective. Yeah, but you yeah, not let more people in.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
Uh yeah, But at the same time, like it's making
me learn patience and making me learn just life skills
that I that I made. It might have been too
too antsy for too busy for So I think love
for me now is like it's expanding. It's like me,
you saying you have to have a favorite color, right, No,
I really don't.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
I can actually find beauty in every all of the colors.

Speaker 5 (56:14):
So my, uh, my thought process on love isn't as
controlled as I thought it should be. It should be
like this, It should be like no, like love is
an abundance to me. So I feel like it's like,
all right, cool, I don't got Yeah I could, I
could do this.

Speaker 1 (56:31):
Out. Yeah, I can smile a lot more. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Now look look that's that's what you're for, what you've
been through and what you've accomplished.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Yeah, you should smile more. Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
You should continue to have a good time because this
this isn't given to everyone. Yeah, you know what I mean.
It's especially your life.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
And what you know.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
And but the thing that would make me angry when
it came to you was that people didn't realize this
was your life, you know what I mean. Everybody had
an opinion or has an opinion of how you should
live your life. And for me, as your brother, I've
never had an opinion about how you should live your life.
And you know we've had many a talk to you

(57:14):
in many cities and many long nights, and I've never
said you should do No, you should do what you
want to do and live how you want to live
and experience the things you want to because it's what
makes you who you are.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
And you've been able to, like you said, average mofucker
can't go sit down and go and be in a
whole tank and go to jail.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
That's your experience.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
So whatever that put you there, you were able to
man up. Except that even though you did lose me
a championship in the NBA E League, Yeah, because we was.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Undefeated and then you went you had to do too
much to see you had.

Speaker 5 (57:52):
Yeah, I was like and then by the time I
got out, I was not about to play no.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Basketball and over the.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Bad see you and you was like, going in two weeks,
you have to have a froe and the stomach.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
You said, it's gonna be gone. It's gonna be going
in two weeks. Two weeks, and then two weeks and
I said, Okay, he's back.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
Yeah, I was, because they call me in them pictures.
I think we went to like now I went to
I went to South to France or something.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (58:19):
They took the pictures and I was just seeing that
that jelly roll. I said, what hell no, and then
from there just dancing, dancing, dancing.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
I was even big on when I got out of
jail for.

Speaker 5 (58:30):
The for the BT Awards, when I had to when
I when we came, I did loyal and I had to. Uh,
this was when everybody's wearing for real hats. Yeah, like
you know, the smoky the beer hat. But I remember
having this outfit. I had to put the outfit on
and it was like too small. The pants wouldn't fit.

(58:51):
Like I was, I'm like a thirty four, thirty six.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
I was like a few thirty thirty.

Speaker 5 (58:57):
Yeah, for sure, I was like a forty or some
fordy I'm talking about big boy big. I said, hold on,
you know what, I can't do this no more.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
But I was. I was.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
I had to go through a lot of boot camp,
dancing and everything else to get back.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
But Nigga ship back though, yeah, because you was all right.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
It was terrible I'm telling you that's depressing time of
my life.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Bro. I Chris Brown, it was a Brown Brown. When
did you really get into the business, like start owning
the business of all of that, because that's what people
really don't know about you. I think.

Speaker 6 (59:45):
I did that first.

Speaker 5 (59:46):
And I would be like I was seventeen when I
started trying to invest in certain things just because I knew, like,
you know, unless you torn, unless you like, you don't
know how how long you're gonna be successful.

Speaker 6 (59:55):
And it's not like every artist can make it look.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
Like they getting money, getting money, getting my If you're
not a touring act, if you're not doing stuff, you're
not gonna you need an exit strategy. So I would have, like,
you know, the business people around me at the time,
I can't say they were good at the time, but
you know, my investments were like into burger kings and
stuff like that, just so I could have a portfolio
of and you know, constant income.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:17):
So that was my first step. But when I really
started getting into like the music side, like the executive side,
it was like I was twenty five, and what happened was, uh,
Loyal and all these other records had already been been
blowing up, so and I was out of my almost
out of my contract, so I was able to negotiate.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
I was like, well, cool, well.

Speaker 5 (01:00:35):
Now that I have leverage as an actual not an artist,
I don't want to be an artist.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
I want to be fifty to fifty profits shared with
you guys.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
I want to have the same deal birdman.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
I got universal, like you know, you know, I asked
around trying to figure it out so I don't have
to be getting you know, cents on the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
Dollar, right, you know, just living off advances. You get
what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:00:54):
So from there that was my first step boom, and
then I think they were like oh and then they
kind of like, you know what, fuck it, we'll do it.
I'm like, shit, damn, I'm like the youngest nigga with this,
with this deal right here. I don't think nobody knows,
you know. So that was my first step. Then after
that was me trying to own my masters. So I
think when I was like twenty seven or twenty eight,
like by that time, it was a renegotiation time, and

(01:01:15):
I was like, hey, cool, I still want this, but
let me get my masters from here. From from I
think from my fame albuming up, I said, let me
get the Masters from there, and then I'm able to
come back and negotiate, you know, in six years for
the first album and all of my shit. So being
able to have that type of structure deal like shout
out the Mark Pits again, you know what I'm saying,

(01:01:37):
Peter Edge, everybody that was you know, everybody that really
kind of like looked and say, you know, we'll give
them this deal.

Speaker 6 (01:01:42):
And Barry Rice, Barry Rice.

Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
Is like he put the shit down, like he really
he the one that kind of allowed me to be like,
you know what, here a fucking kid, take it.

Speaker 6 (01:01:53):
You got it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
I mean, you had made them so much. Yeah, but
let's let's also speak on it. Let's not let's not
just breeze over that the fact that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
You understood though, I got to prove myself first, because
now we have these we have these new artists who
come into the game thinking they can own the Masters,
Like why would I let you have the Masters or
why would you deserve your masters? In the beginning, if
someone is actually making the initial investment and they're not worthing.

(01:02:27):
So somebody walking into the door saying why I owe
my masters. Okay, well what are you going to do
with it? Do you know how to license it? Is
there any distribution for it? And is it worth anything
in the beginning? Right, so you were able to say, hey, listen,
now I want from fame ongoing, and now I'll put
myself in a position because I'll continue to be successful

(01:02:48):
to come back again, renegotiate and get those initial albums
as well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
That's just smart business. And I think embedding on yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
But I think people want to skip the steps and say,
oh well this labeled like listen, labors are going to
be what they are.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
Labors are going to be in their banks and that's
what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
But they also have infrastructure to put you in a
place that's unimaginable.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:03:15):
Yeah, absolutely, I don't disagree with that at all, you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
And so I think you should be, for lack of
a better term, a poster boy of like listen, just
be successful, Just be great, You be great. You get
everything you're supposed.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
To out of this ship.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Yeah, and get the right lawyers. Make sure your lawyers
is looking over your country. Yeah, and so you got
to make sure everybody you know, when I was young,
I was. I was fortunate enough to be saved on
certain things, but I was my deals weren't always great.
So once I was able to be able to be
more independence, like, look, I got a little bit more
leverage now, and they then, you know, they made all

(01:03:51):
this money and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
So I'm more like, you know, I'm.

Speaker 5 (01:03:54):
Able to now see real money or see something from
what I've created because I know I created it. So
now you know I can go and do this. Now
I can create some more. Wait till you'll see what
I'm about to create. So now I get to own
all of that, you know. And and it's like like
you said, I'm like a testament to that to hey,
not saying put your head down, just be the best
you right.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
I feel like the way I go to the gym
is the way you go to the studio.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
Yeah, It's like that's what I said. Your me and
green you should bench pressed. It's like, is there no
no way limit though?

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
Something?

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Get a good fifty off now.

Speaker 5 (01:04:34):
But even in my my meet and gree pictures, like
there's some some joints and like sometimes you know what
come on?

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah, because you know.

Speaker 6 (01:04:46):
It's like we can't do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Certain things try something else, I ain't get the same back.
I got the picture.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
Listen already waiting for what these pictures are gonna look like. Man,
you know shit is gonna be insane.

Speaker 1 (01:05:05):
Oh shit, here's a last question, bro, How do you
do like eight thousand songs in one night? Bro? Like you,
how is that even possible that you I come to
your house and there are I just left your house
two days ago and I come back and there are
twenty new songs. How?

Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
I just feel like a lot of the times, you know,
how I used to be in the studio back in
the day. Even I'm like, yo, come.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
To the studio, Like, I just think you what did
you call you? Master?

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Something that you spend more than one hundred hours on
or something? So I think I've just tried to overly, overly,
overly overly master it. So me being in the studio,
like I might have an idea in my head, or
I might just hear some songs like, man, I need
to get on my game.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
I need to steal.

Speaker 5 (01:05:48):
It's like shooting jump shots, like you know, you gotta
make sure if you don't, if you don't shop at
the tube, it ain't gonna work. So I feel like
me being in the studio is where I kind of live.
I got two studios, you see the house. I got
two studios in the house, so so I can change scene,
real change, like you know, mental states when I'm in
different studios.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
I've never seen that you're making the amount of songs
that the underdogs, all of us in different rooms, used
to make. It was it was six of us, and
he's still making more than just wanting. We were making
money at night.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
We weren't writing twenty songs at night.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
You got it. You gotta how many times you have?
I said before like fifteen thousands.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
But then but then I think I miscalculated, you know,
So it's it's a world champlainship.

Speaker 6 (01:06:42):
Yeah, that was that was I think I was thinking
of it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
I'm like, okay, I got this, yeah a lot of
so I'm gonna be realistic and it's it's in the
eight thousands to nine thousands, though it's a lot, like like.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
It's finished or just pieces.

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
I can say pieces, it won't it won't be.

Speaker 5 (01:07:02):
It might be first verse, cause you know how I
used to send demos out to be first verse or
chorse and then no second verse. So it'll be stuff
like that, So it's like, yeah, collectively, is that a.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Lot of that's insane? Bro mm hmmm, what you got
for him Champion?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
H m hm.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Come on, comfy Tea, say what you got? You see
you see his fitty comfy shout out exclusive game. Come on,
comfy Tea, turn these towels into an outfit. It's the
Superman music. No, it's not. We don't want to be
to the remix team Breezy want to know what they

(01:07:50):
want to know what we want to know. You've listened
to a lot of music in your days, young man. Yeah,
some of this music you've made your favorite. The world
wants to know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Your top five, your top five, top five.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
Your top five? RB saying what else you already song?
We allna know you gotta show. I'm dancing to go.
I'm really want to know your heyes, top.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
You top five?

Speaker 9 (01:08:58):
Yeah, y'all gonna put me on the spot.

Speaker 6 (01:09:10):
Yah, it's so damn all to pick five, but look,
I'll give you now. My ship might change in a
couple of days. Come on, Top five R and B singers.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Right right now. Today you're saying today, No, No, I'm
saying how you feel today? Your world. So this is
not biased because my brother in the room. You know,
I say it all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
Tank Usher, Yes, Brandy Yeah, Tevin Campbell ye, Sam Cook Ship.

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
So that's my top five I.

Speaker 6 (01:09:45):
Can think of right now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
Okay, alright, Vin was really cold. Listen tomorrow, whatever better?

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Are you better than me? He was? He was killing
grown men. Prodigy, he's a prodigy, his rangers, he was
gifted chess boys. Oh my god, nigga, how do you
still sing that high? I'll get my nerves he'd be

(01:10:17):
giving me. So I was like, bro, you can sing
this one.

Speaker 6 (01:10:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
I think it's it's just like the adrenaline when you
get on stage. It's like but talking voices not My
talking voice is raspy, like I gotta, I gotta. But
you're clear on records. Yeah, So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
I'm just always I guess we sing from different parts
when we When I talk, I don't think I'm talking
from the same diaphragm is when I'm singing, So I'm
pushing the air differently.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
So I feel like that's why I'm able to still
sound young and still sound like the old met but
not the super young me, not the fifteen. But at
least I said, my voice hasn't like changed dramatics.

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Like Nigga You and Ralph treast Man. Yeah, I do
not sound figured it out now. I listened to the
Young Thing. I was like this, who is this? Was
this singing three five song? Crazy? They like sing that
old song. I will not breezy your top five R

(01:11:12):
and B songs.

Speaker 5 (01:11:14):
Oh, this is gonna be difficult, brother, Break My Hair
by Mario Ship, Heirl, Lily Girl, Lily, Somebody Sleeping.

Speaker 6 (01:11:25):
Yeah, the remix them so so differently.

Speaker 5 (01:11:29):
Okay, Damn Oh, Sex Love and Pain that's you know, yes,
the beginning, the intro, the intro from Yes that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
He never does live, He's do it live. You don't
give don't give him the ship though, Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
I listened to that, but when I was on tour,
any any tour I was on, I would listen to
that as my warm up songs.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
But seeing you, I need you right now. I need
you right now, my brother. I need you on my
team to tell him to do the damn sound even
the song. I need him to do the Sex Love
and Pain album one Night Only.

Speaker 5 (01:12:10):
Yeah, you got at least you gotta give him that
because that's my favorite album.

Speaker 6 (01:12:12):
One Night Only, don't be scared.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
Let's do that. Let's do that, one of those, one
of them type of inn you fact a right, One
night Only.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
I'm trying to think that's three songs. I gotta think
it two more now, this is all this subject to
change now, sup?

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Is it?

Speaker 6 (01:12:34):
Superstar US Superstar right?

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
And and Candy Rain so.

Speaker 11 (01:12:42):
For yeah, so yeah, shout out to Soul for real. God,
you know, I'm like, we need so for real.

Speaker 5 (01:12:53):
But it's so difficult for me to come up with
those five songs. And I had like ten other songs.

Speaker 1 (01:12:58):
Like a combo of so many are like four thousands,
eight thousands. Yeah, and I didn't want to add my
songs in it. I wanted to get everybody to do that.
You know, how do you have a favorite Chris Brown song?

Speaker 6 (01:13:10):
SHP No, I have errors, I have, I have I
have times of when I when I like songs.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
Man, this niggas is poor in Champagne.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
You got some Champagne, I told you, yeah, breaking Eras
niggas breaking his own rest.

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
I think Eras is like certain songs that I what
I was going through at certain times, like damn, like
like how you like no bullshit.

Speaker 6 (01:13:31):
For example, that era of no Bullshit and and Deuces
those songs.

Speaker 5 (01:13:36):
When we did those songs, that was like when I
was at my lowest, Like I was like with the
back back against the wall, like no no support from
the label, no support from radio.

Speaker 1 (01:13:46):
They was like, you know what, we ain't fucking with you, mixtape,
You're canceled.

Speaker 5 (01:13:49):
Yeah, so these songs are mixtape songs that out ten
months before we put them on on that album.

Speaker 1 (01:13:54):
You know what I'm saying. So and I'm I'm shot
the video for like twenty five hundred.

Speaker 6 (01:13:57):
Each video Deduces video and no bullshit.

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
But it was it was like being an independent artist
and grinding your motherfucker yourself being like, you know what,
I'm gonna prove them wrong. So I could say those
songs would be an error, and then then it could
be the next songs that I'm doing. So it switches
all the time. Yeah, you know, I feel like I
can always go back to different songs and then relive
those moments in my head and be like damn that happened,

(01:14:21):
and also remind myself like damn, I do remember that,
you know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:25):
So it's spilled your voltron you're super R and B artists,
we want to know who you're going to get the
vocal from, the performance style, the styling, from the heart
of the artist, the passion of the artists. And since
you know, since you're a songwriter, who's gonna write for
that artist, Let's start with the vocal. Who you're getting

(01:14:46):
the vocal from for your super R and B artists?
The vocal.

Speaker 6 (01:14:51):
Damn, I'm gonna go with Tavin Campbell.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
I'm gonna just put as far as the as far
as the vocal, yeah, like the range or what you Yeah,
I'm going with Tevan.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Your voice his voice is different. His voice was just cold.
Wasn't supposed to be like that? No, So I'm gonna
go I'm gonna go with the voice wise. Yeah, yeah,
between him and Mike, because Mike, just pick one or
you can mix it.

Speaker 6 (01:15:20):
Yes, it's gonna be like a hybrid. It's gonna be
Mike and Tevan Jackson.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Okay, uh, performing style on stage Michael Jackson. I could
have guessed down. Yeah, that was easy. Yeah, Okay, styling,
who's gonna put this ship?

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Damn Uh, It's gonna be a hybrid, another hybrid. It's
gonna be like a trifecta hybrid Michael me and and
usher mm hmm. As far as styling, and I gotta
say in this in this category because like and through
his erarors, from the my Ways to the you know,

(01:16:03):
everything he'd done has has been visually like stamped in
your head to where.

Speaker 6 (01:16:09):
It's picnic iconic, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
He made niggas wear coofies and ship like you remember,
So it's like certain things will always be embedded in
style and fragments to me. So it's like Michael was
the definition of that, Like he could wear wrestling looking yeah,
like being his own icon.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
I think when we talk about styling, not even to
stop you here, but I think you're the first person,
the first artist that I've ever walked into the room
to the dressing room and they were like the racks.
There were racks on racks on racks of clothes and
you had no idea what you were going to put
on like that night. You don't you don't have a

(01:16:53):
uniform where you're like, Okay, this is the tour fit
and these are the combinations of the tour fit. That's
just where this I was like, what are you gonna wear.
He's like, oh no, I'm about to look through it
right now, like he getting dressed in school, like like
he getting dressed in markets. Let me just grab somebody.
I've never seen anything like that in my life.

Speaker 6 (01:17:15):
So what I've done the last couple of tours and
this tour is gonna be a little different.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
So we have a set to where because I don't
want to give too much, I want you to come
and see it, but I'm going to have changes in
the outfice. But the outfits is going to be more customized,
like a lot of like designers are making specific stuff
for me, so it'll be more So it goes along
with the with the actual show of what I'm trying
to show, like the Broadway style of what I'm trying
to show, but before like the last toy you were

(01:17:39):
at and.

Speaker 6 (01:17:40):
The different ones.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
The stage that I built is you can change your
outfit every night.

Speaker 5 (01:17:46):
You could be something different because the stage doesn't it
doesn't have a certain Yeah, it has a freedom about it.
So we just have a rack of clothes and long
as long as I can dance in them and it's
not not too tight or the shirts is like you know,
I'm putting on something different every night.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
I always think of behind the things. I'll be thinking
about the nigga that has.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
To put all that out and put off, and he
be trying to figure out a way to steal some ship.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
Of course I'm ahead that fits. Yeah, always comes back
with something.

Speaker 6 (01:18:21):
Because this is not afraid to ask, because look that's you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
Like, look, little bro, you already want to you can
take you can take it. I'm like shot a hole
that jacket. Like ship, the passion of the artist, passionate.

Speaker 5 (01:18:37):
The artist, prince I would say prince cold passion because
you can play every instrument right and mean it?

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
Man, what mean it? They come, get this hit? Get
this hit? Who who says that?

Speaker 5 (01:18:55):
Like I would have been like that, I'm keeping this record.
You don't want this record? No, he he he he
s is the ship threasion.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
You start doing that. You got a gang here, regulars
telling niggas that get this song. Who's gonna write for
that artist? Damn, there's so many damn good writers.

Speaker 6 (01:19:18):
Who's gonna write?

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
I would I couldn't say Phil Collins because it wouldn't
be cool because Phil Collins is one of my like,
he's one of the dope writers out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Of all time. Why can't Phield Collins write the records? Yeah?
I think Phil could do it, but I would say
Quincy Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
I mean, there's no argument. Yeah, I was just I'm
gonna thay curveball though. Yeah, who's gonna do the choreography?

Speaker 6 (01:19:44):
Damn?

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Come on, man, use a stepper, Use a real deal stepper.
You know what it would have to be. It would
have to be a collective because in that dancing ships, so.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
Many Come on, come on, so many people who made
you know, I'm talking about fly fly styles, SAMs, Josh Smith.

Speaker 6 (01:20:01):
We got Lavel?

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:20:03):
Is it label Franklin who he taught me a thriller?
His name is Lavel, but he takes that. Yeah, world
music wars when I was young. Sorry I'm forgetting his
last name. But you got super Damn you got man.
I'm trying to think.

Speaker 1 (01:20:19):
I don't did this on purpose to give me. I'm
not even trying to get you. This is what our
podcast is about. Podcast is about Jamaica. I'm thinking to
him still, It's about celebrating.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
It's about celebrating people that aren't always celebrated publicly.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Absolutely absolutely, who means so much to what we do
and has have meant so much to what you do
because they go they shaped and that ship.

Speaker 5 (01:20:47):
Yeah, one hundred percent. So I mean there's so many
different people that that I'm leaving out too. So I
know they're like, man, he didn't say my name.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
My bad.

Speaker 4 (01:20:56):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:20:57):
At the same time, it would be with that damn ship.
It would have to be a collective group. It still
makes It's a village that make.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
It, you know, take a village to crazy. Yeah. So yeah, yeah,
we've come to the point. I ain't saying no names. Hey,
I ain't saying no names. Thanks saying no names. I
ain't saying no niggs. Weird know what you did? Don't

(01:21:27):
say she ain't saying no name, no name?

Speaker 6 (01:21:40):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Cool? Hold hold on, I got to listen to like, okay,
this sounds like I got to say some funny she
to give you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
Exactly right now, you are at a very important part
of the show. Yeah, it's called I ain't saying no names.
Will you tell us a story funny or funked up?
Are funny?

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
And fuck? The only rule to the game. The rules
is you can't say no names. All right?

Speaker 6 (01:22:07):
Cool? Well, I ain't saying no names.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Yeah, come on, come on.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
But yeah, So there was this artist, and this artist
wanted to go out to the club with us, so,
you know, huge artists. So I'm like, all right, cool, me,
me and my crib, We're gonna go to the club.
It's it's nigga night, it's turn up night. You know
it's gonna be another artist in their performing. And that

(01:22:30):
artist song was the number one song in the country.
I'm talking about going crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:22:34):
We get in the club, I make sure we got
the whole section full of women. So the person in
there looking around.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
The song.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
Come on, the other artist is on stage, start singing
a song. The whole building erupts. I'm talking about it, erupts,
like everybody. Girls in our section, Girl, they going crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
I look over to this person. He ain't feeling it.

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
I'm talking about, not a smirk, not a head nod, nothing.
I turned back to look at the artists. But the
next time I turned back to look at the person
in my section, they gone, I don't see him.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
I'm like, what that? What is nigga? Went?

Speaker 6 (01:23:18):
I look up.

Speaker 5 (01:23:19):
The nigga is on the DJ booth right next to
the artist that's doing the song, and he just like this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:28):
The nigga.

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
When the song goes off, the nigga takes the mic,
takes the mic. So I'm thinking this artist is about
to do some songs. I'm like, okay, he got he
got the itch like man, you know, you know some
artists can't take it.

Speaker 6 (01:23:42):
You know, they self centered though they you know, they
gotta syndrome. Like I'm not one of those. I know
how to be like, oh this is lit here, but
I can read it all over this person's face. Get
the mic.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
I'm thinking he about to do it songs or do something.
I'm like, oh, this is crazy about to go crazy here.

Speaker 5 (01:23:59):
Yeah, the nigga goes on a forty five minute rent
I'm talking about talking. I'm talking about saying all of
everything that about nothing.

Speaker 6 (01:24:09):
It's like it's it's so just like disappointing.

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
Like when I was in there, I started looking around
and then from the club being a yeah, everybody turning up,
maybe hollers some girls, what's up, it went from that
to looking like the waiting room in Hell.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
That's what I felt like.

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
It was like, yeah, like everybody turned into psychopath people.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
And he was not saying you know what I'm saying
the topic of what his rent was about was was like,
what the fuck put the music back on? Like that's
you know, that's how I feel. So in that club,
there's a there's a secret area that's like a resting area.
You can go down at the club, so I said,
I told one of the hummies, I can't. I don't

(01:24:50):
want to sit up here and hear this shit all night.
So I'm going downstairs. I'ma cheer. I'm gonna smoke this
blunt downstairs. Whatever we doing, boom boom, and by this
nigga gonna stop talking too later, so you know, I'm
gonna go back up there afterwards. I'm down that motherfucker
for about twenty to thirty minutes and are you still here?

Speaker 11 (01:25:08):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:25:08):
Right right right right right over the over the this
last hit, it took over the club. This is how
it ended for me, anyway. So I get up back
into the section. Half of the girls is gone, most
of most of the most of the fine girl.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
They yeah, I'm like, man, what the fuck is going on?

Speaker 6 (01:25:30):
The last thing I hear such and such ain't stick.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
They figure in my booty. I don't even play that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:35):
Way, I said, Yeah, I'm out this motherfucker. Look and
I look to our mutual friend that was there, was there.
I said, you gotta be a nigga and stop letting
this niggas be like this. Your ays need to be
able to tell your friends. Stop being a yes man.
You need to be like, look, nigga, this ain't it.
You don't say this type of shit. And I left

(01:25:57):
the club.

Speaker 6 (01:25:57):
I ain't even.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Answer no phone calls. I ain't going home.

Speaker 6 (01:26:03):
I ain't gonna say no names.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
Yeah uk whoever was in that club though they like
I was there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:10):
I was there in the come, I was there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
The finger No no, not each other.

Speaker 2 (01:26:23):
Love brother, Chris brown Man. When I say we you
even it's another thank you. I got to give you
one for always keeping your word. Something you've always done
from the day I've met you. If you say you're
gonna do something.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
You're gonna do it. Yeah. You might be late, yeah
a little late, but you know, oh shit happens.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
But you always do what you say you're gonna do.
And I want to thank you for. At the time,
I was managing the artist named Love Rants and there
was this record that we had and I had this
crazy idea to turn this rap record into an R
and B song. You heard it and you was like, Nigga,
I'm coming to do it tomorrow. Yeah, and you put

(01:27:11):
up in your fast car, you knock the shit out,
and this record has lived on to this day. I
cannot go to a club. It's still I'm going to
hear the R and B version of up to this day.
Nigga sending me videos from France, sending me video on Japan,

(01:27:33):
anywhere in the world, and the fact that you obviously
you did that for me because we're brothers, but the
fact that you were able to help me make this
record that came from the bed area and my young
boys had had this song and it was blown up
and you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Helped them take the record worldwide. Yeah, I just want
to say thank you, No, thank you. I appreciate you
for that.

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
No, I appreciate you.

Speaker 5 (01:27:55):
See I'm bad with thank you. Like when people think
me become like bro ship you help me all the
same in the same token. I look at it like
like if you would have called and if it was
a Wax.

Speaker 6 (01:28:06):
Song, we would be like, let's try a different record.

Speaker 5 (01:28:09):
But it's like, you know what what a song gonna do,
And then at the same time, it's even easier when
it's when it's like family. When you got people that's
around you that are musically gifted and they do the
same thing you do. It's not a conversation like nah,
I can't really do it, or no, I'm here whatever
you need.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
You know, So I appreciate y'all. Bro. I am upset
that this song was was on fire, super flames, right,
and this nigga wouldn't go nowhere.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
And performance, or I was becoming your manager. I don't
that ship he was. He was he was behind the
scenes and it was promoters offering him the best.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
We had some other ship we had to do though. Man,
I don't know. Look at us now, Look at us now?
You got records now?

Speaker 5 (01:28:57):
Yeah, yeah, they be lonely? What the fuck is we doing?
I under saying, y'all know me and this nigga got
a record again.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
It's all right, it's so way. Let y'all know that
we got a record. Thank you again. Listen, brother to
say we love you would be an understatement. You already
know what that means. My brothers. We don't play no
games about Breezy. You know what I'm saying. And that's
in real life. That's not that's not music, that's not entertainment.

(01:29:26):
That's that's real life, in real life. And so I
think people have known by you know, all the times
I've jumped in the in the comments to make sure
fuck you niggas up you fuck around with the fuck
around yeah alone. But my congratulations to you man for

(01:29:47):
continuing to work hard, bro. And I think that that's
the separation between you and everybody that you've probably seen
from the last twenty something years come and go. You
just won't stop working. And and that is commendable with
the success that you've had, that you are still aspiring
and still pushing to do more and to be greater.

(01:30:10):
Like if if if I'm telling my son to chase
anything saying you watch Chris Brown, you watch that journey
and you watch him work, and that's how you work,
and that's how you find it. We appreciate you man. Listen, man,
my name is Tank Man and this is the R

(01:30:31):
and Money podcast. Yeah them on all Things R and B.
One of the greatest to ever do it, Yeah, R

(01:30:54):
and B Money.

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